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'07 WRC new rules& changes part 1

Weasel 555 07-06-2006 08:30 AM

'07 WRC new rules& changes
from rall-live.com
The World Motor Sport Council met in Paris today and important decisions were made about the future of the World Rally Championship.

Engines
As a cost saving measure, a limit on the number of engines, with a single specification per year, will be introduced from 1 January 2007. The number of engines, with detailed regulations, will be proposed at the next World Council meeting.

Super Rally out
Applicable from 1 January 2007, the existing Super Rally rules will be replaced by a system of bonus points applied for each leg of a rally (1st = 3 points, 2nd = 2 points and 3rd = 1 point), to ensure the final classification applies only to competitors who complete the entire route. Detailed regulations will be proposed at the next World Council meeting.

Testing
From 1 January 2007, Priority 1 drivers can only test for the manufacturer for which they are designated and, as part of a long-term objective, the number of test days will be reduced by means of technical measures.

During the rallies
Remote servicing, under restricted conditions, will be permitted from 1 January 2007. Detailed regulations will be proposed at the next World Council meeting.



From 1 January 2007, it will be forbidden for competition cars running on less than four wheels to be driven on liaison sections. Detailed regulations will be proposed at the next World Council meeting.

New rules
From the beginning of the 2008 season, all World Rally Car entrants will use tyres from a single supplier. Run-flat �foam' will not be permitted. Tenders will be invited from tyre companies.

The introduction of Biofuel, at the earliest opportunity, is being studied by the FIA Technical Department.

Drivers of Super 2000 cars taking part in the FIA Production Car World Rally Championship can score points for the Championship classification, as of 1 January 2007. Detailed regulations will be proposed at the next World Council meeting.

Source FIA
Kha0S 07-06-2006 08:45 AM

Wow, those rules don't look bad at all!

The remote servicing and no run-flat will make for some really great action.
Jon Bogert 07-06-2006 09:15 AM

I like the idea of any rule that widens the gap between how fast you go "driving to finish" and how fast you can go all-out. IMO, the apparent reliability of the cars at near max speed has made rally boring. Other than weather conditions or mechanical/tire issues, when was the last time a driver was able to make up 30 seconds on one stage just because he had big balls and decided he needed to do it? That sort of thing was more common through the Group A days and it made for much more exciting rallies. These days if you have a 20 second lead going into the last day, you can pull back .001% and drive safely for the finish.

Simpler diffs, mechanical gearboxes, less traction and more power!
WRXedUSA 07-06-2006 09:28 AM

I guess that pretty much sums up Pirelli's future!

Getting rid of Superally gets rid of any potential points finishes for Subaru! But, it also puts more emphasis on FINISHING the rally as opposed to winning stages on day 3.

Ha!
remowgn 07-06-2006 12:46 PM

[QUOTE=Weasel 555]
From 1 January 2007, it will be forbidden for competition cars running on less than four wheels to be driven on liaison sections. Detailed regulations will be proposed at the next World Council meeting.
[/QUOTE]

Awwwwwwww... while I can see why they did that (loeb anybody?) that's really no fun.
chaddeus 07-06-2006 12:55 PM

[QUOTE=Jon Bogert]Simpler diffs, mechanical gearboxes, less traction and more power![/QUOTE]

You like to see those burn rubber, power sliding, changing of gears don't you? :)

- Charles
jeisen 07-06-2006 01:35 PM

no runflats and no driving back to service on 2-3 wheels? How are they supposed to get back? :devil:
Mopho 07-06-2006 01:41 PM

[QUOTE]Testing
From 1 January 2007, Priority 1 drivers can only test for the manufacturer for which they are designated and, as part of a long-term objective, the number of test days will be reduced by means of technical measures.
[/QUOTE]

Me thinks this is perhaps the most important one. Much of Citroens/ Loeb's domination is due to the fact that they spent much more money and time on testing than the other teams (according to the insiders in the WRC I know).

Teams should have a spending cap
Jon Bogert 07-06-2006 02:37 PM

[quote]no runflats and no driving back to service on 2-3 wheels? How are they supposed to get back?[/quote]
This will help:
[quote]Remote servicing, under restricted conditions, will be permitted[/quote]
meebs 07-06-2006 02:46 PM

Let's see, freeze engine development to cut costs and limit testing. BUT go ahead and spend more money on tires and remote servicing, and while you're at it; figure out biodiesel. OHKAYGREAT???
CirrusWRX 07-06-2006 02:53 PM

While I loved seeing parts fall off of Loeb's car, it truly is a hazard to the rest of the folks who have to drive on those roads. What if one of his wheels fell off (which it did...) and killed somebody?

Rules sound decent, though no spec tire mfgr until 2008 so Pirelli may get yet another year.

How does remote servicing work? Helicopter?
nKoan 07-06-2006 03:00 PM

[QUOTE=CirrusWRX]How does remote servicing work? Helicopter?[/QUOTE]

Nah, it means that crews can come out to specific points during the transit stages to help the driver do some moderate mechanical work. This was banned a few years back to help keep costs down.
kic 07-06-2006 03:44 PM

Rules don't sound bad at all, perhaps some good will come of them. Maybe more competition.

For Subaru, dumping Pirelli (or getting everyone else using them, though I kind of doubt they'll want to put a bid in to be [b]the[/b] tire supplier) will be a major step forward. I suppose we can wait a little longer and hope Pirelli actually gets their act together in the mean time (like we've been doing...).
Yotsuya 07-06-2006 03:59 PM

[QUOTE=CirrusWRX]How does remote servicing work? Helicopter?[/QUOTE]
Bring Back the Safari!
drees 07-06-2006 05:47 PM

[QUOTE=meebs]Let's see, freeze engine development to cut costs and limit testing. BUT go ahead and spend more money on tires and remote servicing, and while you're at it; figure out biodiesel. OHKAYGREAT???[/QUOTE]Prolly not biodiesel, but ethanol. I would love to see them reintroduce water injection as well.

In this case, they will be using racing to promote the uptake of more environmentally friendly fuels and hopefully this technology will trickle down to real cars, cost reduction wasn't the goal of introducing biofuels.

F1 made a similar statement about hybrids a while back...
WRXedUSA 07-06-2006 11:56 PM

[quote=FiA]New rules
From the beginning of the 2008 season, all World Rally Car entrants will use tyres from a single supplier. Run-flat �foam' will not be permitted. Tenders will be invited from tyre companies[/quote]

What is everyones interpretations of this statement?
nKoan 07-07-2006 01:17 AM

[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]What is everyones interpretations of this statement?[/QUOTE]

That they are moving to a single tire manufacturer in 2008. Bids are still being tendered, and the winning bidder cannot use runflat foam.

Or, is there some other interpretation that I'm missing?
Kostamojen 07-07-2006 01:20 AM

No Tirefoam = more money for wheel suppliers :lol:
So Cal STI 07-07-2006 01:40 AM

[QUOTE=kic]Rules don't sound bad at all, perhaps some good will come of them. Maybe more competition.

For Subaru, [B]dumping Pirelli (or getting everyone else using them, though I kind of doubt they'll want to put a bid in to be [b]the[/b] tire supplier)[/B] will be a major step forward. I suppose we can wait a little longer and hope Pirelli actually gets their act together in the mean time (like we've been doing...).[/QUOTE]
Kinda like WSB (world superbike). But Pirelli was sneaky with that one though :rolleyes: . Michelin was dominating Pirelli was floundering (even Dunlop was better) then overnight "we have a control tire supplier which is Pirelli" :confused: ! But back to the subject-a control tire, cool with me. No more tire excuses...
boostpower 07-07-2006 01:59 AM

I think most of the rules are good. I really like that they are going to a single tire manufacture. I am a massive Subaru fan and I respect their loyalty to Pirelli, but I think Pirelli has just let them down way too much.
silentbob343 07-07-2006 02:51 AM

[QUOTE=boostpower]I think most of the rules are good. I really like that they are going to a single tire manufacture. I am a massive Subaru fan and I respect their loyalty to Pirelli, but I think Pirelli has just let them down way too much.[/QUOTE]
but Pirelli could still end up as the supplier.
Lethargic1 07-07-2006 04:03 AM

[QUOTE=remowgn]Awwwwwwww... while I can see why they did that (loeb anybody?) that's really no fun.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I thought that was pretty bad. I couldn't believe he actually drove through with all that damage, looked pretty dangerous. :confused:
Bort 07-07-2006 07:42 AM

[QUOTE=Lethargic1]Yeah, I thought that was pretty bad. I couldn't believe he actually drove through with all that damage, looked pretty dangerous. :confused:[/QUOTE]
True, and until now this has only been regulated by local law enforcement which is inconsistant from rally to rally or even within one rally.
WRXedUSA 07-07-2006 09:44 AM

[QUOTE=nKoan]That they are moving to a single tire manufacturer in 2008. Bids are still being tendered, and the winning bidder cannot use runflat foam.

Or, is there some other interpretation that I'm missing?[/QUOTE]


They went from a singular reference of "single tire manufacturer" to a plural "Tenders will be invited from tyre companies" in once sentance.
CirrusWRX 07-07-2006 10:04 AM

[QUOTE=silentbob343]but Pirelli could still end up as the supplier.[/QUOTE]
Right, but that way, ALL teams would have crappy tires, not just Subaru.

So it would level the playing field from that regard. No more, "Our tires suck..." It can't be the tires sucking if XYZ is kicking your arse by 20 seconds on each stage.
Lethargic1 07-07-2006 10:35 AM

I don't know how I feel about the "single" tire producution rule. I think tire choice should be a factor in how well someone does. Petter is an amazing driver, and when he wasn't on the side of the road with punctures, breaking his paddle shifters, or getting into accidents on the road portions in between the rally, he was doing pretty well. Clearly, there were portions throughout this WRC season that Petter was really annoyed with Pirelli, but I think that's Subaru's choice. I know the single tire rule helps balance out performance, and it allows the playing field to be a little more even, but I still think the tire choice should be up to the individual.
meebs 07-07-2006 10:42 AM

I'm not a fan of a single tire supplier. I don't like it in F1 and I'm not going to like it here. I like the competition and advancement in technology that comes out of it. Look at F1, they have tried to slow the cars down every year, but thanks to tire advancements, they are usually just as fast if not a little faster every year.
nKoan 07-07-2006 12:19 PM

[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]They went from a singular reference of "single tire manufacturer" to a plural "Tenders will be invited from tyre companies" in once sentance.[/QUOTE]

Right. Multiple tire manufactures can tender when the bidding starts. Then one will be chosen by the FIA and all competitors will have to use tires from that manufacturer.
silentbob343 07-07-2006 02:57 PM

[QUOTE=CirrusWRX]Right, but that way, ALL teams would have crappy tires, not just Subaru.

So it would level the playing field from that regard. No more, "Our tires suck..." It can't be the tires sucking if XYZ is kicking your arse by 20 seconds on each stage.[/QUOTE]
Boostpower, was pretty much saying he was glad that Pirelli would no longer be the tire supplier and I was just saying they still could be. I agree, it doesn't matter who wins the contract as every team will have the same tire.

Lol sppeeleeleing
Mopho 07-07-2006 04:36 PM

Pirelli announced that is quitting the WRC

[URL=http://rally.racing-live.com/wrc/en/accueil/news1.shtml]Link[/URL]

[QUOTE]Italian tyre manufacturer Pirelli announced that it will end its involvement in the World Rally Championship at the end of this season, according to reports from Autosport.

Pirelli is currently the supplier of the Subaru World Rally Team and some private teams but the results have been lower than expected this year, especially on asphalt.

Pirelli has a long tradition in rallying and has been involved in the sport for 34 years.

"It's a marketing decision," said Pirelli's Motorsport Director Paul Hembrey to Autosport. "As it stands, we're not getting a return on our investment in the World Championship. The results have nothing to do with it: you have to take the rough with the smooth in this sport.

It's to do with the loss of Peugeot and Mitsubishi as manufacturers and Michelin as a competing tyre."

The FIA recently announced at this week's World Motor Sport Council that a single tyre manufacturer will be chosen for the World Rally Championship, starting in 2008. Despite the announcement that it is leaving the sport, [b]Pirelli is considering bidding for this role, although it is unlikely to happen.[/b][/QUOTE]
Mopho 07-07-2006 04:45 PM

I am all for a single tire supplier, racing is test of drivers and in this case, also a test of the teams/manufacturers engineering, why have a third variable ruin (or improve) everyone else's efforts?
CirrusWRX 07-07-2006 05:10 PM

OMG that's the best WRC news I've heard! I bet that's also another reason why Petter elected to sign on for another couple years, I bet they knew that Pirelli was leaving at the end of the season.

And I'm sorry, but I think this is total BS:

[quote]"It's a marketing decision," said Pirelli's Motorsport Director Paul Hembrey to Autosport. "As it stands, we're not getting a return on our investment in the World Championship. The results have nothing to do with it: you have to take the rough with the smooth in this sport.[/quote]
Marketing decision my ass. Insomuch as they can't market tires with press-releases peppered with "tire failure" or "the driver reported that the tires suck." Results have EVERYTHING to do with it. I gaurantee if Subaru was running #1 and #2 all season long, Pirelli would have no trouble staying in the game, but their products are not competitive, thus, they either step up the R&D or quit. They chose to quit and god bless 'em because I think this is a terrific thing for Subaru.
meebs 07-07-2006 05:55 PM

[QUOTE=CirrusWRX]OMG that's the best WRC news I've heard! I bet that's also another reason why Petter elected to sign on for another couple years, I bet they knew that Pirelli was leaving at the end of the season.

And I'm sorry, but I think this is total BS:


Marketing decision my ass. Insomuch as they can't market tires with press-releases peppered with "tire failure" or "the driver reported that the tires suck." Results have EVERYTHING to do with it. I gaurantee if Subaru was running #1 and #2 all season long, Pirelli would have no trouble staying in the game, but their products are not competitive, thus, they either step up the R&D or quit. They chose to quit and god bless 'em because I think this is a terrific thing for Subaru.[/QUOTE]


I'm pretty sure the announcement was damage control. Rather than have Subaru announce that they were switching to Michilen/BFG, they probably took the high road and let Pirelli "bow out". I serisously think that Peter's decision to stay was inspired by [b]Subaru's[/b] decision to go with Michilen/BFG. Pirelli had no one left to support.
silentbob343 07-07-2006 06:08 PM

Subaru hasn't gone with anybody, the FIA will decide on a tire manufacturer.
meebs 07-07-2006 08:57 PM

[QUOTE=silentbob343]Subaru hasn't gone with anybody, the FIA will decide on a tire manufacturer.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. As of yesterday. :p The writing has been on the wall all season. It would have been a suprise to see them stay with Pirelli.
Sideshowbob 07-07-2006 09:33 PM

As many people have stated already, the new rules are good.
I do question the re-introduction of remote-service while reducing things like motors as a way to cut costs. The cost of a support truck has got to be pretty huge.
Why not reduce motors [b]and[/b] allow foam inserts without remote servicing so that it can be as inexpensive as possible?
WRXedUSA 07-07-2006 10:06 PM

[QUOTE=meebs]I'm pretty sure the announcement was damage control. Rather than have Subaru announce that they were switching to Michilen/BFG, they probably took the high road and let Pirelli "bow out". I serisously think that Peter's decision to stay was inspired by [b]Subaru's[/b] decision to go with Michilen/BFG. Pirelli had no one left to support.[/QUOTE]

Well put.
FaastLegacy 07-08-2006 01:30 AM

[QUOTE=Mopho]I am all for a single tire supplier, racing is test of drivers and in this case, also a test of the teams/manufacturers engineering, why have a third variable ruin (or improve) everyone else's efforts?[/QUOTE]


I agree. The car and the driver, that's all it should be. One's success in the season shouldn't be determined by what brand of rubber they have on their car.
RedBean 07-08-2006 05:43 AM

[QUOTE=silentbob343]Subaru hasn't gone with anybody, the FIA will decide on a tire manufacturer.[/QUOTE]

Isn't the FIA selecting a single tire supplier for the 2008 season? If so, then Subaru will be the one making the decision on tire company, aka BFG, for the 2007 season.
CirrusWRX 07-10-2006 10:32 AM

[QUOTE=RedBean]Isn't the FIA selecting a single tire supplier for the 2008 season? If so, then Subaru will be the one making the decision on tire company, aka BFG, for the 2007 season.[/QUOTE]
This is the point I was trying to make. One mfgr is great, but that (A) Isn't official and (B) Isn't going to take place until 2008.

They should start running the 2007 spec WRC car NOW for the rest of the season so they'll be ready to run up top 1/1/07 :D

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