| AdvanSTI | 10-11-2005 02:48 PM |
2006 WRC reg?
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[url]www.wrc.com[/url]
Subaru will eb using an all-new, 2006-spec versuib if the Impreza WRC from the start of next year. It has been designed to the new regulations, which ban active differentials and water-injected turbo engines.
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i wasn't aware that all the teams were using spray'ed intercoolers
is there anywhere where i can find a full list of the reg changes? i can't find any atm
Subaru will eb using an all-new, 2006-spec versuib if the Impreza WRC from the start of next year. It has been designed to the new regulations, which ban active differentials and water-injected turbo engines.
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i wasn't aware that all the teams were using spray'ed intercoolers
is there anywhere where i can find a full list of the reg changes? i can't find any atm
| kotaro | 10-11-2005 02:56 PM |
water injection refers to the use of water in the air-fuel mixture to reduce knock and maybe to reduce intake temps.
| chrisarella | 10-11-2005 03:01 PM |
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Are they only allowed to use water injection or a water alcohol mix?
Are they only allowed to use water injection or a water alcohol mix?
| chrisarella | 10-11-2005 03:03 PM |
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How is subaru getting around the 2.0 liter limitation, being that the displacement was increase on the wrx and sti to 2.5? Are the EDM and JDM models still 2.0s or did the WRC raise the displacement limit?
How is subaru getting around the 2.0 liter limitation, being that the displacement was increase on the wrx and sti to 2.5? Are the EDM and JDM models still 2.0s or did the WRC raise the displacement limit?
| AdvanSTI | 10-11-2005 03:05 PM |
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How is subaru getting around the 2.0 liter limitation, being that the displacement was increase on the wrx and sti to 2.5? Are the EDM and JDM models still 2.0s or did the WRC raise the displacement limit?[/QUOTE]
Thats a good question. im pretty sure the JDM version is 2.0 but im not sure.
How is subaru getting around the 2.0 liter limitation, being that the displacement was increase on the wrx and sti to 2.5? Are the EDM and JDM models still 2.0s or did the WRC raise the displacement limit?[/QUOTE]
Thats a good question. im pretty sure the JDM version is 2.0 but im not sure.
| bmxpunk | 10-11-2005 03:09 PM |
Yes the euro cars are still 2.0L. If subaru gets around it, so will everyone else. Do you know how fast a 2.5 EVO would be!!?? Besides, they are trying to make the cars slower, not faster. That is the downside to removein active diffs, but the good side is that hopefully they will go back to the more sideways driving style, if so I dont see loeb being able to keep up. I see GIgi Galli and solberg as being the top drivers if that is the case.
| drf | 10-11-2005 11:01 PM |
[QUOTE=bmxpunk]...but the good side is that hopefully they will go back to the more sideways driving style, if so I dont see loeb being able to keep up. I see GIgi Galli and solberg as being the top drivers if that is the case.[/QUOTE]
Good point. On the one hand, Loeb's style is so neat and tidy, I wonder if he can hang it out w/ the best of them. On the other hand, although it took him a while before he was winning on gravel, he did ultimately adapt quite well.
I have a feeling he'll manage. FWIW, Solberg's not that sideways either.
Good point. On the one hand, Loeb's style is so neat and tidy, I wonder if he can hang it out w/ the best of them. On the other hand, although it took him a while before he was winning on gravel, he did ultimately adapt quite well.
I have a feeling he'll manage. FWIW, Solberg's not that sideways either.
| mykrrrr | 10-11-2005 11:27 PM |
The 2.0L limit is still in place. The 2.5L motor was developed for the NA market and isn't legal in FIA WRC or Grp. N classes.
How can you say Seb will be handicapped w/o active diffs??? He's more than capable of driving w/o aids like that.
Sideways isn't always the fastest route down the stage.
How can you say Seb will be handicapped w/o active diffs??? He's more than capable of driving w/o aids like that.
Sideways isn't always the fastest route down the stage.
| pio!pio! | 10-11-2005 11:56 PM |
for the WRC class, the cars don't have to be tightly based off production cars so even if the road cars use 2.5L engines, the racecars can be 2L just fine
for the Group N class, the cars have to be based off the homologated road car version..for Subaru, they are based off the Spec C which is a 2L car
for the Group N class, the cars have to be based off the homologated road car version..for Subaru, they are based off the Spec C which is a 2L car
| WRXinWhite | 10-12-2005 12:40 AM |
[QUOTE=drf]Good point. On the one hand, Loeb's style is so neat and tidy, I wonder if he can hang it out w/ the best of them. On the other hand, although it took him a while before he was winning on gravel, he did ultimately adapt quite well.
I have a feeling he'll manage. FWIW, Solberg's not that sideways either.[/QUOTE]
I don't think sideways is going to make it with modern suspensions. It worked good for pioneers like Blomquist with high powered monsters and poor handling. The last driver who still represents some of that style is Colin McRea and it did not work for him in the last few years. When you analyze driving styles of the today's winners they are all kind of neat and smooth.
Gigi usually does not finish the rally when he is too "sideways". It's spectacular but not very effective...
I have a feeling he'll manage. FWIW, Solberg's not that sideways either.[/QUOTE]
I don't think sideways is going to make it with modern suspensions. It worked good for pioneers like Blomquist with high powered monsters and poor handling. The last driver who still represents some of that style is Colin McRea and it did not work for him in the last few years. When you analyze driving styles of the today's winners they are all kind of neat and smooth.
Gigi usually does not finish the rally when he is too "sideways". It's spectacular but not very effective...
| Boxologist | 10-12-2005 01:49 AM |
[QUOTE=pio!pio!]for the WRC class, the cars don't have to be tightly based off production cars so even if the road cars use 2.5L engines, the racecars can be 2L just fine
for the Group N class, the cars have to be based off the homologated road car version..for Subaru, they are based off the Spec C which is a 2L car[/QUOTE]
no. WRC cars are based off FIA rules. just like F1 cars are based off FIA rules.
for the Group N class, the cars have to be based off the homologated road car version..for Subaru, they are based off the Spec C which is a 2L car[/QUOTE]
no. WRC cars are based off FIA rules. just like F1 cars are based off FIA rules.
| kotaro | 10-12-2005 10:59 AM |
[QUOTE=pio!pio!]for the WRC class, the cars don't have to be tightly based off production cars so even if the road cars use 2.5L engines, the racecars can be 2L just fine[/QUOTE]
actually WRCars must be based on a road car with the same displacement even if non-turbo.
actually WRCars must be based on a road car with the same displacement even if non-turbo.
| AdvanSTI | 10-12-2005 12:08 PM |
[QUOTE=kotaro]actually WRCars must be based on a road car with the same displacement even if non-turbo.[/QUOTE]
Negative. if they need to change it to 2.0l they will... the citroen xara is like a 1.3 or something in its stock form.
Negative. if they need to change it to 2.0l they will... the citroen xara is like a 1.3 or something in its stock form.
| kotaro | 10-12-2005 12:22 PM |
[QUOTE=AdvanSTI]Negative. if they need to change it to 2.0l they will... the citroen xara is like a 1.3 or something in its stock form.[/QUOTE]
positive. the xsara is available with a 2.0l engine. Look for the displacement of any WRCar. There will be a road version of that car with the exact same displacement.
edit: maybe non turbo, but with the same displacement.
positive. the xsara is available with a 2.0l engine. Look for the displacement of any WRCar. There will be a road version of that car with the exact same displacement.
edit: maybe non turbo, but with the same displacement.
| bmxpunk | 10-12-2005 12:40 PM |
I thought that the active diff aided in the neat and tidy driving style, you made a good point about Loeb's ability to adapt. Solberg does hang it out quite a bit more than most of the other drivers today. I think he is more creative to. An example that sticks in my mind, is on a stage in 04 when solberg went up on to the grass off of the road, set up on the extreme outside of the turn, and cut in, it was very fast when the rest of the class was staying on the road.
Yes GIGi has retired a lot but he is also driving the Mitsubishi which has not been very reliable at all since re-entering the WRC. A few insidences were has fault, but when both he and Hanning solberg, or Pannizi are retiring because of the same electrical or transmission problem on the same day, thats more the car's fault.
Yes GIGi has retired a lot but he is also driving the Mitsubishi which has not been very reliable at all since re-entering the WRC. A few insidences were has fault, but when both he and Hanning solberg, or Pannizi are retiring because of the same electrical or transmission problem on the same day, thats more the car's fault.
| MGXsport | 10-12-2005 02:46 PM |
IIRC Solberg changed his driving style last year to a more of a brake-point-go type style. He used to be a smooth drifter but then again he might have changed back because I have no Speed channel over here. :mad:
| bmxpunk | 10-12-2005 08:44 PM |
hey I have wondered for a long time, what does IIRC mean. i get all of the other abrevviations but that one. thanks I am a dork
| drf | 10-12-2005 08:58 PM |
[QUOTE=bmxpunk]hey I have wondered for a long time, what does IIRC mean.[/QUOTE]
"If I Recall Correctly." Basically means the same as AFAIK. =p
"If I Recall Correctly." Basically means the same as AFAIK. =p
| drf | 10-12-2005 09:19 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXinWhite]I don't think sideways is going to make it with modern suspensions. It worked good for pioneers like Blomquist with high powered monsters and poor handling. The last driver who still represents some of that style is Colin McRea and it did not work for him in the last few years. When you analyze driving styles of the today's winners they are all kind of neat and smooth.
Gigi usually does not finish the rally when he is too "sideways". It's spectacular but not very effective...[/QUOTE]
Like bmxpunk, I also have a feeling that much of the tidiness drivers are achieving these days is possible because of the active diffs. I was just wondering if said tidiness might go away to some extent w/ the loss of the active diffs, and whether or not Loeb would be able to adapt to a new driving style (considering his start as a tarmac specialist). My guess is that he'd be just fine.
Gigi usually does not finish the rally when he is too "sideways". It's spectacular but not very effective...[/QUOTE]
Like bmxpunk, I also have a feeling that much of the tidiness drivers are achieving these days is possible because of the active diffs. I was just wondering if said tidiness might go away to some extent w/ the loss of the active diffs, and whether or not Loeb would be able to adapt to a new driving style (considering his start as a tarmac specialist). My guess is that he'd be just fine.
| fasssst | 10-13-2005 12:50 AM |
first..loeb is a french sissy
second the rules are the shell has to be produced in a quantity of 25000 units yearly, and the engine has to be produced in a quantity of 50000 yearly, worldwide...it does not have to be spec'ed in the model you choose to race you are all wrong
second the rules are the shell has to be produced in a quantity of 25000 units yearly, and the engine has to be produced in a quantity of 50000 yearly, worldwide...it does not have to be spec'ed in the model you choose to race you are all wrong
| kotaro | 10-13-2005 02:26 AM |
When a world rally car that's based off a road car that's not available with a 2 liter engine exists, I'll apologise for being such an ass :D
| AdvanSTI | 10-13-2005 10:41 AM |
[QUOTE=fasssst]first..loeb is a french sissy
second the rules are the shell has to be produced in a quantity of 25000 units yearly, and the engine has to be produced in a quantity of 50000 yearly, worldwide...it does not have to be spec'ed in the model you choose to race you are all wrong[/QUOTE]
dont hate on loeb because he dominated this year. hes a really good driver. I Hate to see someone dominate like that all year, but it took subaru time to get their **** together. im still happy for the subaru team, whatever they did to the car has made it a lot faster on the stages because it handles like a dream now.
second the rules are the shell has to be produced in a quantity of 25000 units yearly, and the engine has to be produced in a quantity of 50000 yearly, worldwide...it does not have to be spec'ed in the model you choose to race you are all wrong[/QUOTE]
dont hate on loeb because he dominated this year. hes a really good driver. I Hate to see someone dominate like that all year, but it took subaru time to get their **** together. im still happy for the subaru team, whatever they did to the car has made it a lot faster on the stages because it handles like a dream now.
| fasssst | 10-13-2005 08:30 PM |
i don't hate on his talent...just his lack of personality...although that was reduced a bit and replaced with some respect of him as a man for his actions on the last day of rally g.b. (damn him for making me respect him!)
| WagonMonster | 10-13-2005 08:48 PM |
Sissy?
He'll kick your ass in any driving event.
Or, are you just displaying the patent anti-French BS that seems to be all the rage in the USA right now?
He'll kick your ass in any driving event.
Or, are you just displaying the patent anti-French BS that seems to be all the rage in the USA right now?
| fasssst | 10-14-2005 12:31 AM |
no...it was just a convenient put down to seem like a dumb american....and i welcome the challenge...I WILL WHOOP ON HIS SORRY ASS....doubt me if you want...but soon enough, you'll know my name.
| fasssst | 10-14-2005 12:34 AM |
also...i inherently respect the french...if it weren't for them and their overwhelming support during our revolutionary war, we'd still be paying our taxes to britain...i'm no dummy...but keep inferring....
as i said you will know me by this time next year.
no more talking from me...next you will witness my actions! travis pastrana is not the us hope for the wrc. it is me.
as i said you will know me by this time next year.
no more talking from me...next you will witness my actions! travis pastrana is not the us hope for the wrc. it is me.
| cessna152 | 10-14-2005 12:41 AM |
o_O
Anyways, hopefully the changes will result in some more interesting driving.
Anyways, hopefully the changes will result in some more interesting driving.
| SubaruImpreza_power | 10-14-2005 12:57 AM |
[QUOTE=fasssst]first..loeb is a french sissy
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Whoa cool it... Lol I date a French women.
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Whoa cool it... Lol I date a French women.
| bjorn240 | 10-14-2005 06:09 AM |
[QUOTE=fasssst]as i said you will know me by this time next year.
no more talking from me...next you will witness my actions! travis pastrana is not the us hope for the wrc. it is me.[/QUOTE]
Hey fasssst, cool! I'm digging your sorta super-hero vibe! What's your real name, so we can follow your results this coming year? Whare are you running, and in what series? Who's co-driving?
Cheers,
- Christian
no more talking from me...next you will witness my actions! travis pastrana is not the us hope for the wrc. it is me.[/QUOTE]
Hey fasssst, cool! I'm digging your sorta super-hero vibe! What's your real name, so we can follow your results this coming year? Whare are you running, and in what series? Who's co-driving?
Cheers,
- Christian
| fasssst | 10-14-2005 11:51 AM |
my name is josh, and i will give you more information as things get firmed up....preliminarily...both nasa and rally america in a groupn prodrive built car....stay tuned for more....and are you the christian with the last name edstrom....as in travis' co-driver?
| RichardM | 10-14-2005 12:45 PM |
Yes he is.
| bjorn240 | 10-14-2005 01:51 PM |
I am. Best of luck! Sounds like an ambitious and busy program. If you can pull it off and race 17 races next year, I'm certain you'll get a lot of experience and speed quickly. 2006 looks like a fun year in GrN.
- Christian
- Christian
| gplsek | 10-14-2005 05:38 PM |
kid must have some deep pockets. I know one guy that ran both this year and so far spent $250K and counting.
have fun
-gp
have fun
-gp
| dakwrx | 10-14-2005 06:03 PM |
about the regs??
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so........ does anyone know what the regulations will be (all of them) for the 2006 WRC?
I can't find any info about this on the FIA site or the WRC site. Link anyone??
Help!
I can't find any info about this on the FIA site or the WRC site. Link anyone??
Help!
| fasssst | 10-15-2005 11:28 AM |
"kid must have some deep pockets. I know one guy that ran both this year and so far spent $250K and counting.
have fun
-gp"
why would i ever spend my own money? that just seems silly.
have fun
-gp"
why would i ever spend my own money? that just seems silly.
| bjorn240 | 10-15-2005 03:19 PM |
[QUOTE=dakwrx]so........ does anyone know what the regulations will be (all of them) for the 2006 WRC?
I can't find any info about this on the FIA site or the WRC site. Link anyone??
Help![/QUOTE]
For the technical regulations effective 01/01/2006, see Article 9 in the following document: [url]http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/2026632404__AppJ_2004_Art_255.pdf[/url]
This was the second result when I googled "FIA regulations."
- Christian
I can't find any info about this on the FIA site or the WRC site. Link anyone??
Help![/QUOTE]
For the technical regulations effective 01/01/2006, see Article 9 in the following document: [url]http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/2026632404__AppJ_2004_Art_255.pdf[/url]
This was the second result when I googled "FIA regulations."
- Christian
| bjorn240 | 10-15-2005 03:20 PM |
[QUOTE=fasssst]why would i ever spend my own money? that just seems silly.[/QUOTE]
Well, now we're all really keen to hear the details of your plans. Care to share any more, or are you just going to surprise us at S*D?
- Christian
Well, now we're all really keen to hear the details of your plans. Care to share any more, or are you just going to surprise us at S*D?
- Christian
| fasssst | 10-15-2005 05:55 PM |
surprise!
| Mopho | 10-15-2005 06:06 PM |
I call BS!!
| fasssst | 10-15-2005 06:38 PM |
call it what you want. i'll see you from the top of the box.
| Mopho | 10-15-2005 08:07 PM |
[QUOTE=fasssst]call it what you want. i'll see you from the top of the box.[/QUOTE]
No one likes a cocky bastard, your not impressing anyone :rolleyes:
so I take it you have lots of rally experience? If so, where?
No one likes a cocky bastard, your not impressing anyone :rolleyes:
so I take it you have lots of rally experience? If so, where?
| WagonMonster | 10-15-2005 08:15 PM |
No ****, you may end up being the best driver rally has ever seen (doubtful) but no-one will root for you because you're an ass.
| fasssst | 10-15-2005 09:04 PM |
i love the haters. really i do...keep your negativity coming...
and for the record i know and love my father....therefore you may not call me a bastard. and you should really learn the difference between you're, a contraction for you are, and the possesive "your" as in your giant brain.
also try this one: they're going there in their car.....
if you need more grammatical advice, i'm here for you.
i was warned when i started this project that, generally speaking, my success would be met not with support, but with envy and malice....so keep doing your thing i will feed off your negativity and make you feel worse via my success.
and for the record i know and love my father....therefore you may not call me a bastard. and you should really learn the difference between you're, a contraction for you are, and the possesive "your" as in your giant brain.
also try this one: they're going there in their car.....
if you need more grammatical advice, i'm here for you.
i was warned when i started this project that, generally speaking, my success would be met not with support, but with envy and malice....so keep doing your thing i will feed off your negativity and make you feel worse via my success.
| fasssst | 10-15-2005 09:05 PM |
i am now officially done responding to the negativity. good luck to you all. especially christian. cause you are a nice guy. the rest of you....enjoy yourselves....
| FastSS | 10-15-2005 09:26 PM |
I think there is quite enough self enjoyment going on around here with out any of the rest of us getting involved...
| Mopho | 10-15-2005 09:26 PM |
[QUOTE=fasssst]
i was warned when i started this project that, generally speaking, my success would be met not with support, but with envy and malice....so keep doing your thing i will feed off your negativity and make you feel worse via my success.[/QUOTE]
:lol: ^^ now that is truly a funny statement
Don't worry guy, there is no envy. I actually feel sorry for you, it is pretty sad that you have to troll a message board and brag about yourself with no proof to back it up. Trolling is for pin heads, people with real talent don't play that game
I have been heavily involved with rally for 7+ years both NA and WRC, I can tell you that YOUR attitude will get you nowhere in this sport
Oh and BTW, I take it by the fact that you did not answer my question that you have no previous experience with rally. If that is the case, YOU'RE not allowed to start out in a Group N car in the RA series, so good luck with that.
i was warned when i started this project that, generally speaking, my success would be met not with support, but with envy and malice....so keep doing your thing i will feed off your negativity and make you feel worse via my success.[/QUOTE]
:lol: ^^ now that is truly a funny statement
Don't worry guy, there is no envy. I actually feel sorry for you, it is pretty sad that you have to troll a message board and brag about yourself with no proof to back it up. Trolling is for pin heads, people with real talent don't play that game
I have been heavily involved with rally for 7+ years both NA and WRC, I can tell you that YOUR attitude will get you nowhere in this sport
Oh and BTW, I take it by the fact that you did not answer my question that you have no previous experience with rally. If that is the case, YOU'RE not allowed to start out in a Group N car in the RA series, so good luck with that.
| fasssst | 10-15-2005 10:13 PM |
and i can tell you, mopho, your attitude will get you nowhere in life....negative thoughts guarantee negative results...i will leave you with a quote from albert einstein that best sums up how i feel about you and people like you:
"GREAT SPIRITS HAVE ALWAYS ENCOUNTERED VIOLENT OPPOSITION FROM MEDIOCRE MINDS"
and now i am officially through with this thread.
"GREAT SPIRITS HAVE ALWAYS ENCOUNTERED VIOLENT OPPOSITION FROM MEDIOCRE MINDS"
and now i am officially through with this thread.
| Mopho | 10-15-2005 10:18 PM |
[QUOTE=fasssst]and i can tell you, mopho, your attitude will get you nowhere in life....negative thoughts guarantee negative results...i will leave you with a quote from albert einstein that best sums up how i feel about you and people like you:
"GREAT SPIRITS HAVE ALWAYS ENCOUNTERED VIOLENT OPPOSITION FROM MEDIOCRE MINDS"
and now i am officially through with this thread.[/QUOTE]
My attitude?!?! :lol:
You need to get over yourself!
You should take what I am saying to you as advice: with that kind of attitude, you will not be welcomed in rally if and when you show up, regardless of talent or lack there of
Are you going to answer my question, do you have any experience with rally or not?
PS2 does not count
"GREAT SPIRITS HAVE ALWAYS ENCOUNTERED VIOLENT OPPOSITION FROM MEDIOCRE MINDS"
and now i am officially through with this thread.[/QUOTE]
My attitude?!?! :lol:
You need to get over yourself!
You should take what I am saying to you as advice: with that kind of attitude, you will not be welcomed in rally if and when you show up, regardless of talent or lack there of
Are you going to answer my question, do you have any experience with rally or not?
PS2 does not count
| cessna152 | 10-16-2005 02:44 AM |
[QUOTE=AdvanSTI][url]www.wrc.com[/url]
Subaru will eb using an all-new, 2006-spec versuib if the Impreza WRC from the start of next year. It has been designed to the new regulations, which ban active differentials and water-injected turbo engines.
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i wasn't aware that all the teams were using spray'ed intercoolers
is there anywhere where i can find a full list of the reg changes? i can't find any atm[/QUOTE]
Funny place where this thread went... :furious:
fasssst - You now have more incentive to prove them all wrong. A challenge is good.
Subaru will eb using an all-new, 2006-spec versuib if the Impreza WRC from the start of next year. It has been designed to the new regulations, which ban active differentials and water-injected turbo engines.
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i wasn't aware that all the teams were using spray'ed intercoolers
is there anywhere where i can find a full list of the reg changes? i can't find any atm[/QUOTE]
Funny place where this thread went... :furious:
fasssst - You now have more incentive to prove them all wrong. A challenge is good.
| JGard | 10-20-2005 01:12 PM |
I just read the head article on rally-live.com and Loeb mentions that next year he will likely be running with a private team, since Marcus has signed with Ford. But he hopes to be back with Citroen come 2007 when they're going to participate again.
However, I found his most interesting comment to be about Subaru and the rules changes. He states that Subaru has been going in the wrong direction, but with the changes for naught-6, everybody will be starting from essentially a clean slate, so they'll likely be more competitive.
I'm curious as to what it is he thinks Subaru has been doing wrong. I mean, Petter has had a tough go of things the past two years. Lots of reliability problems...but I didn't think it was that bad. And now they seem to be coming around quite a bit.
However, I found his most interesting comment to be about Subaru and the rules changes. He states that Subaru has been going in the wrong direction, but with the changes for naught-6, everybody will be starting from essentially a clean slate, so they'll likely be more competitive.
I'm curious as to what it is he thinks Subaru has been doing wrong. I mean, Petter has had a tough go of things the past two years. Lots of reliability problems...but I didn't think it was that bad. And now they seem to be coming around quite a bit.
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