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A really good open-wheel sim racing. part 1

Vampyr 05-17-2006 10:50 AM

A really good open-wheel sim racing.
This is probably the most realistic racing sim out there currently.

[url]http://www.netkar-pro.com/[/url]


I downloaded it and this game is AMAZING... (a bit difficult to get started) if this game gets enough fan support, I would LOVE to see a major software company help make this game better.

I could see this as the ultimate racing simulator... only current downside is not much documentation.

Box this game with some 100+ page documentation on car setups, etc... and this could be the granddaddy of all sim games.

I could also see this as being a GREAT tool for anyone in the racing community.
XenoWolf 05-17-2006 01:52 PM

Downloading... so... slow...
Vampyr 05-17-2006 03:40 PM

it is slow.... but WELL worth it.

I was surprised how good the sim is. you can actually get out of your car and walk around... to see the physical changes that happened from setup changes.

You also have to click on the power switch and start your car. I've stalled it a few times and killed the motor, and I had to use my mouse to click on the switch inside the cockpit. too cool.
XenoWolf 05-17-2006 04:40 PM

Looking through thier website.. it looks amazing. I'm eager to find something to put my Logitech Momo Racing Wheel to good use.
XenoWolf 05-17-2006 05:22 PM

Wow... I've been downloading it for a good 3 hours, then it inexplicably halts telling me that it 'timed out'. Lame. Are there any torrents of this?
Vampyr 05-17-2006 06:35 PM

that's the only file that I know of... or that I could find.

I downloaded it and it took all night... checked again the next morning.


I decided to drive a Formula car, FTarget... that thing is tough to fire up... you have to hold the starter down... and pump the gas pedal just right (without flooding it). Then, just when you think it dies again.... VROOOM.. it fires up like a friggin jet engine behind your head.

Yeesh!
waktasz 05-17-2006 06:51 PM

Torrent here.

[url]http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=252519[/url]

Sure beats the 1k/s from the main site.
Funky 05-17-2006 06:54 PM

I had the original netKar, before he decided to go into refuge to build it into a commercial offering. Seeing some of his notes about things he was working on was pretty impressive. He has a friend that drives a JGTC car who evaluates the handling of the cars for accuracy.

I didn't realize they had released something, I'll have to take a look at it.
XenoWolf 05-18-2006 04:20 AM

Ouch, almost $50 for a licence? Eh...
mofugga 05-18-2006 07:27 AM

looks cool enough but i can't get the car to start so i gave up. i'm all for realism but that's rediculous having to pump the gas & whatnot to fire it up :lol:
Vampyr 05-18-2006 09:28 AM

[QUOTE=mofugga]looks cool enough but i can't get the car to start so i gave up. i'm all for realism but that's rediculous having to pump the gas & whatnot to fire it up :lol:[/QUOTE]


There is a switch behind the the steering wheel you need to flip on.

There is a main power switch, and ALSO an ignition/fuel switch... and THEN you press the button to start the car up... should fire up after that. (I forgot to turn on the ignition/fuel switch, and just kept cranking the motor)
Vampyr 05-18-2006 09:35 AM

[QUOTE=XenoWolf]Ouch, almost $50 for a licence? Eh...[/QUOTE]

The US dollar sucks right now compared to the Euro.

Besides... I see ALOT of potential to build something even better from this game. If my $50 helps the developers of this game improve it even more, I can this game being the king of all racing sims!
mofugga 05-18-2006 10:25 AM

[QUOTE=Vampyr]There is a switch behind the the steering wheel you need to flip on.

There is a main power switch, and ALSO an ignition/fuel switch... and THEN you press the button to start the car up... should fire up after that. (I forgot to turn on the ignition/fuel switch, and just kept cranking the motor)[/QUOTE]
yep, tried that, it just turns over once, guess it doesn't like or something :huh:
XenoWolf 05-18-2006 10:28 AM

[QUOTE=mofugga]yep, tried that, it just turns over once, guess it doesn't like or something :huh:[/QUOTE]

Flip the ignition switch, press and HOLD the starter switch until the car fires. That's all there is to it.

[QUOTE]Besides... I see ALOT of potential to build something even better from this game. If my $50 helps the developers of this game improve it even more, I can this game being the king of all racing sims![/QUOTE]

I agree, there does seem to be alot of potential, but thats still too rich for my blood at the moment.
Vampyr 05-18-2006 11:18 AM

[QUOTE=XenoWolf]Flip the ignition switch, press and HOLD the starter switch until the car fires. That's all there is to it.



I agree, there does seem to be alot of potential, but thats still too rich for my blood at the moment.[/QUOTE]


Yeah... I thought it was a little high too. But I figured, for now... it's cheaper than actually racing! :D

If this game could get more attention here in the US... it would be great to see some SCCA and NASA support on some US sanctioned tracks!
It should even help bring in more fan support for SCCA and NASA (offer a guest membership to SCCA or NASA with each registered user?)
Blennophobic 05-18-2006 11:43 AM

Wow, the detail shown in the screenshots is pretty amazing. I tried the original NK 1.0 I think and wasn't that impressed. I'm definitely going to give this another try. BTW, mostly playing rFactor these days.

-Steve.

Edit:it was the old Netkar ver. 0.99 demo that I tried but I don't think I stuck with it long enough to give it a fair chance. Looking forward to trying ver.1.0.1 if I can ever get it downloaded!
platypus 05-18-2006 11:52 AM

I'd be interested to hear someone's impression of how this stacks up to rFactor. I've been playing a bit of rFactor for a month or so, but I'm always on the lookout for something even better (tho rfactor's pretty good at the driving physics).
Calamity Jesus 05-18-2006 12:16 PM

The whole concept sounds awesome. Tires that show wear. Head tracking compatability. FPS style controls for walking around the pits and inspecting your own car. The graphics are stunning so far.

[QUOTE=platypus]I'd be interested to hear someone's impression of how this stacks up to rFactor. I've been playing a bit of rFactor for a month or so, but I'm always on the lookout for something even better (tho rfactor's pretty good at the driving physics).[/QUOTE]
I installed the rFactor demo the other day. I would have warmed up to the car a lot faster if I wasn't expecting it to be FWD simply because it looked like an RSX. :lol: "Whoah.. why does this thing have power-on oversteer??":confused: Unfortunately, I can't comment much on rFactor's demo since it's so limited on car setup.
Vampyr 05-18-2006 04:13 PM

[QUOTE=platypus]I'd be interested to hear someone's impression of how this stacks up to rFactor. I've been playing a bit of rFactor for a month or so, but I'm always on the lookout for something even better (tho rfactor's pretty good at the driving physics).[/QUOTE]


I was looking between rfactor and netkar pro... I decided to go with netkar pro because it uses AIM's own software that allows you to view telemetry. Any sim that takes real world racing applications, and lets you use them in your virtual racing sim... (Like GTR that uses MOTEC) is a GREAT advantage.
blindstuff 05-18-2006 04:20 PM

How does this game compare vs LFS???
waktasz 05-18-2006 04:32 PM

I have downloaded 2 different torrents, and neither have worked. Am I retarded?



edit: Be sure to get the newest .NET runtime patches...oops
Blennophobic 05-18-2006 04:49 PM

OK, I couldn't get the torrent working so I downloaded from here:

[url="http://www.bhmotorsports.com/NKPRO"]http://www.bhmotorsports.com/NKPRO[/url]

It's the 1.0 and 1.0.1 patch in two seperate files but it downloads pretty fast.

-Steve.
scoobysport 05-18-2006 04:54 PM

[QUOTE=Vampyr]This is probably the most realistic racing sim out there currently.[/QUOTE]
I haven't tried this game, but from my experience, rFactor & Grand Prix Legends are at the top as far as most realistic.

For all your sim racing needs: [url]http://forum.rscnet.org/[/url]

There are setups & skins for netKar Pro at the above link. I'll have to check this game out.
Blennophobic 05-18-2006 05:00 PM

[QUOTE=scoobysport]I haven't tried this game, but from my experience, rFactor & Grand Prix Legends are at the top as far as most realistic.[/QUOTE]

Agree, those are the two that I currently run in leagues. If any of you are interested, both can accomodate more drivers:

rFactor (running F1 and Porsche Carrera cup mods right now)
[url="http://www.USF1racing.net"]www.USF1racing.net[/url] (Mondays at 7:00pm pacific time)

GPL (running 1965 mod)
[url="http://www.yaol.us"]www.yaol.us[/url] (Thursdays at 8:30pm pacific time)

-Steve.
scoobysport 05-18-2006 05:06 PM

[QUOTE=Blennophobic]Agree, those are the two that I currently run in leagues. If any of you are interested, both can accomodate more drivers:

rFactor (running F1 and Porsche Carrera cup mods right now)
[url="http://www.USF1racing.net"]www.USF1racing.net[/url] (Mondays at 7:00pm pacific time)

GPL (running 1965 mod)
[url="http://www.yaol.us"]www.yaol.us[/url] (Thursdays at 8:30pm pacific time)

-Steve.[/QUOTE]

I put gpl away for a while. I managed to get a negative rank last year after 1000's of laps. Nurburgring was so much fun and frustrating at the same time. How does the '65 mod compare to the regular '67 cars?
Vampyr 05-18-2006 05:08 PM

[QUOTE=blindstuff]How does this game compare vs LFS???[/QUOTE]


Graphics: Just from the screenshots, NetKar Pro wins!
Sound: NetKar Pro has some really good sounds, even down to the tranny.
Content: NetKar Pro only has 4 tracks and 4 different cars. Not much, but the detail has really been put into each car and track. LFS wins with the content... as they cover everything, but they sacrifice detail to do this.

NetKar Pro is more of a professional racing simulation, not really a 'computer game'.

All I can say is NetKar Pro is an absolutely beautiful game. Unfortunately it does not have a great amount of funds to put into the game, so it is limited to only a few cars and a few tracks.

If the interface was improved (more user friendly) and if there was more documentation, then this racing sim would be absolutely perfect!

Without a doubt, I'd like to see more cars, more tracks, and some computer AI to race against. I don't always have time to play online against others.

The positives:
Amazing Graphical detail
Great sound
Physics seem to be spot on
Originality for the type of cars
good representation of car setups
features that have never been in a racing game before:
1.) get out of the car and move the camera around to look at the car's detail, track, etc...
2.) customize your driver's suit and helmet.
3.) you have to manually start your car.
4.) you use AIM's software to pull telemetry from the game.

The negatives:
the interface is not very 'clean', still needs to be improved
Documentation isn't much... about a page of what to do to start.
Not a user friendly game... doesn't create a shortcut, no install/setup.
You can only race 4 cars and 4 tracks for so long before you hunger for something more.

Personally.... this is the racing sim I've been wanting for a LONG time. Something that is a little more realistic to what racing might be like if I were to start racing myself. (I'll never make it into Formula one, but it IS possible I could drive a F1600 at a racing school).

I really do hope that these guys developing the game get more support for their game. Whether it be financial, or more developers.

Driving sims need to catch up to the amount of detail that Microsoft Flight Simulator has.
XenoWolf 05-18-2006 06:06 PM

My GPL disk is b0rked. I tried installing it when I got my new wheel, only to have it fail miserably. I think it may be my DVD-ROM though, it whines about every single tiny surface imperfection with CDs.
Blennophobic 05-18-2006 08:37 PM

[QUOTE=scoobysport]I put gpl away for a while. I managed to get a negative rank last year after 1000's of laps. Nurburgring was so much fun and frustrating at the same time. How does the '65 mod compare to the regular '67 cars?[/QUOTE]
The '65s only have a little over 200hp so they are quite a bit easier to drive than the original 67 carset. The physics was improved as well so the driving experience is quite good. All in all it makes for great online wheel-to-wheel racing.

[QUOTE=XenoWolf]
My GPL disk is b0rked. I tried installing it when I got my new wheel, only to have it fail miserably. I think it may be my DVD-ROM though, it whines about every single tiny surface imperfection with CDs.
[/QUOTE]
Download the GPL 2004 demo off bhmotorsports. This includes the game and all the graphics updates and patches I believe. Then you manually add the tracks you want.

[QUOTE=Vampyr] re: NetKar
The positives:
Amazing Graphical detail
Great sound
Physics seem to be spot on
Originality for the type of cars
good representation of car setups
features that have never been in a racing game before:
1.) get out of the car and move the camera around to look at the car's detail, track, etc...
2.) customize your driver's suit and helmet.
3.) you have to manually start your car.
4.) you use AIM's software to pull telemetry from the game.
[/QUOTE]
I just tried NetKar and am frankly blown away by exactly what you mention. The driving experience is unbelievable with lots of appropriate feedback through the wheel.... and the graphics are gravy. The interface is a little rough around the edges, but that's very realistic for club racing! I can't wait to get licensed and try it online.

I couldn't figure out how to make the AIM display work... or is it not enabled in the demo?

-Steve.
XenoWolf 05-18-2006 09:24 PM

[QUOTE=Blennophobic]Download the GPL 2004 demo off bhmotorsports. This includes the game and all the graphics updates and patches I believe. Then you manually add the tracks you want.[/QUOTE]

Have it, but I came up with a better solution. I have another computer networked to this one with the CD-RW shared, so I just installed GPL over the network using that CD-RW. Worked perfectly, confirming that my DVD-ROM is a whiny bitch. :mad:
Vampyr 05-19-2006 09:19 AM

[QUOTE=Blennophobic]

I couldn't figure out how to make the AIM display work... or is it not enabled in the demo?

-Steve.[/QUOTE]


Correct, the demo does not start the AIM.
Vampyr 05-19-2006 11:56 AM

For a more indepth review of the sim... go here.
[url]http://www.autosimsport.com/[/url]
blindstuff 05-19-2006 01:12 PM

The demo is quite "cheap" we only get one car, it would be nice to have a try at the AIM. I must say i was kind of disapointed with the game, the steering input seems to be all wrong and laggy, if simulation level is concerned GTR still takes it for me.
Vampyr 05-19-2006 02:41 PM

Considering it's only about 12 guys working on this project, without only minimal sponsorship within the game, I'm amazed there even IS a demo.
I think the AIM was left out because AIM Sports wanted to get some monetary return on letting their technology be used in the game.

As for the steering input... you need to setup the controller to your style of driving.

GTR is without a doubt a great game... GT Legends is even better than GTR as far as physics and steering input goes (first game you can actually drift successfully in). GTR 2 will be even better I'm sure... but your chances of getting a fully sponsored Ferrari team is not going to happen... but your chances of getting into a Formula 1600, 1800, or 2000 is a little more realistic.

[QUOTE=blindstuff]The demo is quite "cheap" we only get one car, it would be nice to have a try at the AIM. I must say i was kind of disapointed with the game, the steering input seems to be all wrong and laggy, if simulation level is concerned GTR still takes it for me.[/QUOTE]
blindstuff 05-19-2006 09:24 PM

I think i said it wrong, by no mean am I saying the game is a piece of crap, as a matter of fact, i find it to be really good, it just that with all the talk on all board over the web I expected much better.

I tried many times to get the steering setup nicely, but it just seemed imposible, I have a Logitech driving force pro, i dont know if that specific steering wheel is a bad combination with the game or something
Vampyr 05-19-2006 11:07 PM

I'm using a Logitech Wingman Formula Force wheel... on of the first force feedback wheels. I keep hoping this wheel will break so that I have a reason to go buy a new momo wheel.

To be honest... I want this game to be better than what it is. To me... this game has the added features that I wish all the other games had.

My thought was... if you played Microsoft Flight Simulator enough, you will be able to fly a real plane... and for the most part, that is true.
Why can't racing sims be the same way? Other than the physical demand it puts on your body... I would like to know that if I got into a formula race car, I would exactly which buttons to push to get it started and race a few laps.



[QUOTE=blindstuff]I think i said it wrong, by no mean am I saying the game is a piece of crap, as a matter of fact, i find it to be really good, it just that with all the talk on all board over the web I expected much better.

I tried many times to get the steering setup nicely, but it just seemed imposible, I have a Logitech driving force pro, i dont know if that specific steering wheel is a bad combination with the game or something[/QUOTE]

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