| Steppin Razor | 11-11-2002 09:35 PM |
ATTN: Rally drivers that jump the WRX.
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Well, I'll try to keep this short. I jumped my WRX over some railroad tracks (yes I know it was stupid) and ended up landing on my front lip (of course).
Broke the radiator (already replaced), bent the subframe (hood sits about .5" higher than it should), and bent either the left rear strut or spindle (way more negative camber than the other wheels).
Have any of you done anything similar while racing your rally car? Do you have any words of advice on how to fix the damage or what might be broken (I already went to a body shop but I'm not stisfied with their appraisal and I know IT WAS STUPID)? If I replace the subframe, will the hood come back down or will it have to go on a frame puller? Also, do you have experience with whether the strut or spindle bensd first? Thanks for your input.
Broke the radiator (already replaced), bent the subframe (hood sits about .5" higher than it should), and bent either the left rear strut or spindle (way more negative camber than the other wheels).
Have any of you done anything similar while racing your rally car? Do you have any words of advice on how to fix the damage or what might be broken (I already went to a body shop but I'm not stisfied with their appraisal and I know IT WAS STUPID)? If I replace the subframe, will the hood come back down or will it have to go on a frame puller? Also, do you have experience with whether the strut or spindle bensd first? Thanks for your input.
| Axiochus | 11-11-2002 11:23 PM |
Maybe, umm... if you posted a picture, or something, people could help you. It might be easier if we could see the carnage... yeah, easier.
| Chromer | 11-12-2002 10:27 AM |
Trade it for a Forester?
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=273263[/url]
I'm sure someone will jump in and mention DMS50 dampers and skidplates momentarily...
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=273263[/url]
I'm sure someone will jump in and mention DMS50 dampers and skidplates momentarily...
| jprowland | 11-12-2002 11:48 AM |
I can't resist...boy, was that STUPID! ;)
Before anyone else tries it out, here's some numbers for the WRX:
Sedan Wagon
Weight, Front 1,820 1,820
Weight, Rear 1,255 1,335
That gives around a 60/40 weight split for a stock WRX, a great recipe for nose-dives. How do the rally guys get around it? Well, the open class cars have about a 50/50 weight distribution since they have no A/C, ABS, etc. and have some additional weight which tends toward the back, namely a roll cage, fuel cell, and very heavy spare wheel+tire and toolbox. And they do a better job of pushing the weight down in the car, reducing all the roll centers and helping (a little) to counter the diving. Even the PGT cars still manage to push a lot of weight toward the back.
And when they do land hard on the nose, the skid plate helps distribute the impact to several points, rather than all concentrated on the lip (obligatory skid plate reference). And yes, I've landed jumps in a Neon with DMS 50mm suspension (co-driving), and there is no comparison to the stock suspension.
The deck is stacked in favor of the rally cars...
So, to answer your question, the rally cars break less often, but they still break. Only a body shop can tell you what damage you did...
Before anyone else tries it out, here's some numbers for the WRX:
Sedan Wagon
Weight, Front 1,820 1,820
Weight, Rear 1,255 1,335
That gives around a 60/40 weight split for a stock WRX, a great recipe for nose-dives. How do the rally guys get around it? Well, the open class cars have about a 50/50 weight distribution since they have no A/C, ABS, etc. and have some additional weight which tends toward the back, namely a roll cage, fuel cell, and very heavy spare wheel+tire and toolbox. And they do a better job of pushing the weight down in the car, reducing all the roll centers and helping (a little) to counter the diving. Even the PGT cars still manage to push a lot of weight toward the back.
And when they do land hard on the nose, the skid plate helps distribute the impact to several points, rather than all concentrated on the lip (obligatory skid plate reference). And yes, I've landed jumps in a Neon with DMS 50mm suspension (co-driving), and there is no comparison to the stock suspension.
The deck is stacked in favor of the rally cars...
So, to answer your question, the rally cars break less often, but they still break. Only a body shop can tell you what damage you did...
| 8Complex | 11-12-2002 12:19 PM |
Did you ever consider that you actually bent the front frame? Hitting at such an angle to mess up the radiator is BAD. I would really just file a report and bend over to take it because otherwise the car will NEVER be right.
| Subie Gal | 11-12-2002 12:20 PM |
[img]http://www.subiegal.com/IMAGES/RALLIES/Rim%20of%20the%20World/motortrend.jpg[/img]
that photo is a picture of my biggest mistake of the season.
i lifted just before the jump,
thus allowing the weight to transfer forward....
but i did little damage thanks to the skid plate, 50mm DMS rally coil overs and the 1/4" steel reinforced front strut towers....
rally cars are prepared for this kind of thing....
and when you learn to drive it properly (i did after this incident! never lift... never.. lift...) things like this dont happen.
if i were you i would call my insurance company now.
likely you're going to need a frame puller.
you're talking about a uni-body frame...
and the car will never be the same from this point forward anyway.
go on and get 3-4 estimates...
but in the end, i'd let the ins. company deal with it.
it's going to be $$ to get it fixed properly.
cheers
Jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
that photo is a picture of my biggest mistake of the season.
i lifted just before the jump,
thus allowing the weight to transfer forward....
but i did little damage thanks to the skid plate, 50mm DMS rally coil overs and the 1/4" steel reinforced front strut towers....
rally cars are prepared for this kind of thing....
and when you learn to drive it properly (i did after this incident! never lift... never.. lift...) things like this dont happen.
if i were you i would call my insurance company now.
likely you're going to need a frame puller.
you're talking about a uni-body frame...
and the car will never be the same from this point forward anyway.
go on and get 3-4 estimates...
but in the end, i'd let the ins. company deal with it.
it's going to be $$ to get it fixed properly.
cheers
Jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
| Steppin Razor | 11-12-2002 01:37 PM |
Okay, thanks for the replies. I'll tryo to post some pics if I can ever get my hands on one of those high tech cameras that can take digital pictures.:lol:
Any one ever bent the left rear spindle before? Or is is it almost definitely the shock?
Any one ever bent the left rear spindle before? Or is is it almost definitely the shock?
| Stanley | 11-12-2002 01:45 PM |
I remember about a year ago there was a thread where people were talking about how cool it was to jump their WRX. I posted something to the effect of "you shouldn't jump your street car" and all these yahoos jumped all over me saying I didn't know what I was talking about, the WRX is based on a rally car, it has a stiff unibody, blah, blah, blah.:lol:
I wonder if any of them are reading this now? I used to jump this old Audi Fox I had. But it only cost me $400!
Good luck getting your frame pulled. Like everyone else said, just bend over and file a claim. We all make mistakes, sometimes we learn from them.;)
I wonder if any of them are reading this now? I used to jump this old Audi Fox I had. But it only cost me $400!
Good luck getting your frame pulled. Like everyone else said, just bend over and file a claim. We all make mistakes, sometimes we learn from them.;)
| jprowland | 11-12-2002 02:11 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subie Gal [/i]
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that photo is a picture of my biggest mistake of the season.
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Don't worry, it happens to the best of 'em!
[IMG]http://worldrallychampionship.net/photos/australia/2002/500/2002_hyundai_9.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://worldrallychampionship.net/photos/australia/2002/500/2002_ford_4.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://worldrallychampionship.net/photos/australia/2002/500/2002_ford_5.jpg[/IMG]
In fact, Colin McRae destroyed his radiator on that same spot...
[B][img]http://www.subiegal.com/IMAGES/RALLIES/Rim%20of%20the%20World/motortrend.jpg[/img]
that photo is a picture of my biggest mistake of the season.
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Don't worry, it happens to the best of 'em!
[IMG]http://worldrallychampionship.net/photos/australia/2002/500/2002_hyundai_9.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://worldrallychampionship.net/photos/australia/2002/500/2002_ford_4.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://worldrallychampionship.net/photos/australia/2002/500/2002_ford_5.jpg[/IMG]
In fact, Colin McRae destroyed his radiator on that same spot...
| Steppin Razor | 11-12-2002 02:13 PM |
Yeah, I would love to file a claim if my insurance rates wouldn't TRIPLE!! That means bye-bye WRX for me. Nope, I think I'll keep my rex and fix it when I've got some extra cash.
Is there any chance that I bent my spindle, or is it almost definitely the strut? This would be very helpful to me so please, If you have any input just take two seconds and let me know. Thanks!!
Is there any chance that I bent my spindle, or is it almost definitely the strut? This would be very helpful to me so please, If you have any input just take two seconds and let me know. Thanks!!
| Subie Gal | 11-12-2002 02:24 PM |
we dont know what you did to the car
take it to a professional and have it diagnosed.
that's the only way YOU are going to know FOR SURE.
Jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
take it to a professional and have it diagnosed.
that's the only way YOU are going to know FOR SURE.
Jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
| Steppin Razor | 11-12-2002 02:36 PM |
Alright, alright I'll leave you guys alone.
| 8Complex | 11-12-2002 02:53 PM |
Strut or control arms. Spindles can get out of shape, but it's VERY hard to flex a large chunk of cast steel like that.
I second the above... get a professional to take a look at it, and even measure it for frame damage (they have to measure point to point in several different places to find out how much damage there is).
I second the above... get a professional to take a look at it, and even measure it for frame damage (they have to measure point to point in several different places to find out how much damage there is).
| Kha0S | 11-12-2002 05:15 PM |
Don't lift when going over the jump... if anything, lift a little bit very early, then peg it just before takeoff... transfers weight to the back, and you'll nose-up.
I, at one point, bent the hydroformed subframe at the front of my WRX as well (not exactly sure what I did to cause it)...
[IMG]http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/Scrapbook/02111-01-Bradus-BBQ/640/02111-036-Bradus-BBQ.jpg[/IMG]
I was able to unbolt it and smack it back into shape with a sledgehammer. Worked fine.
/Andrew
I, at one point, bent the hydroformed subframe at the front of my WRX as well (not exactly sure what I did to cause it)...
[IMG]http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/Scrapbook/02111-01-Bradus-BBQ/640/02111-036-Bradus-BBQ.jpg[/IMG]
I was able to unbolt it and smack it back into shape with a sledgehammer. Worked fine.
/Andrew
| PeterJ | 11-12-2002 06:25 PM |
Since your hood is sitting differently, you probably have minor body/frame damage, although I would systematically check everything. Depending on how you landed, the bumper could have pushed up on the fenders where the two meet and distorted things; maybe the hood is in the same place but everything else is lower? Strange things like that can happen... In reference to the wheel though, you probably bent a strut or a control arm. It all has to do on how you landed. But, I would still check everything over very carefully.
| Steppin Razor | 11-12-2002 08:42 PM |
Just for reference, I did not lift before I took off. I was at WOT. I'll give a short version of what happened. I was coming up on a set of railroad tracks prependicular to the direction I was traveling. The tracks themselves were about two feet above the surface of the street I was on, so there was a steep asphalt ramp up to the tracks. Naturally I saw the ramp and got on the gas (luckily off boost in 3rd gear) and hit it doing about 45mph. I think everything would have worked out find had the street been at the same level on the other side.
Unfortunately, the road was about two feet lower on the other side of the track and due the lack of rebound damping in my stock rear struts, they rebounded and left the back of my car moving up while the front of my car was already on its way down.
Front lip slams into pavement, destroys worthless plastic skidplate, whacks the poo out of the subframe, collapses the first row of fins on AC condenser, punches hole in bottom plastic tank of the radiator, shifts front end up causing hood to sit 0.5 inches high, bends left rear shock, makes Steppin Razor want to file for bankrupcy, etc, etc... You get the point.:(
Yes, I know it's my fault for driving on unfamiliar terrain and depending on your opinion driving like an idiot. I have already figured this out and have had plenty of time to ponder the consequences of my actions. I regret those actions every time I think about my car that I cherish so much. This will also wipe out my mod budget for a good year or so. So please refrain from slamming me because you will just be wasting your breath.
Unfortunately, the road was about two feet lower on the other side of the track and due the lack of rebound damping in my stock rear struts, they rebounded and left the back of my car moving up while the front of my car was already on its way down.
Front lip slams into pavement, destroys worthless plastic skidplate, whacks the poo out of the subframe, collapses the first row of fins on AC condenser, punches hole in bottom plastic tank of the radiator, shifts front end up causing hood to sit 0.5 inches high, bends left rear shock, makes Steppin Razor want to file for bankrupcy, etc, etc... You get the point.:(
Yes, I know it's my fault for driving on unfamiliar terrain and depending on your opinion driving like an idiot. I have already figured this out and have had plenty of time to ponder the consequences of my actions. I regret those actions every time I think about my car that I cherish so much. This will also wipe out my mod budget for a good year or so. So please refrain from slamming me because you will just be wasting your breath.
| vinster02 | 11-12-2002 10:49 PM |
WOW!, Thanks for sharing your experience. There is a great incline & abrupt drop on this road that I play on. Its a great launch platform. One that I will not take advantageof ever agian. My suby is running coilovers & the valve setting is maintained very stiff,but I am not intrested in living your nightmare. As far as anyone belittling you. I haven't seen A bit of it here. Each post I've read has been great, understanding & friendly. kudos to all the great & supportive replies. Good luck with your repairs & sorry to hear about the loss of your mod budget.
| jprowland | 11-13-2002 09:16 AM |
What you described is affectionately known in the rally community as a "[U]Y[/U]ump", not a "[U]J[/U]ump"...Even the best of rally drivers stand on the brakes for one of those (which are usually well marked in the route book), no matter how good the car is.
How many other claims have been on your insurance? If this is the first, I wouldn't worry too much about it, file the claim and be done with it. Generally it takes at least a couple of claims to raise your rates (and even then, it varies from company to company, and they may take other factors into account, like your driving history--but I'll bet you're 22 and have a short and spotty record, like I did when I was that age :) )
Even if your rates go up a little, it's still probably cheaper than paying the repairs yourself. In 6 months, call around for quotes on insurance to see if you can lower your rates (make sure you're honest!)
How many other claims have been on your insurance? If this is the first, I wouldn't worry too much about it, file the claim and be done with it. Generally it takes at least a couple of claims to raise your rates (and even then, it varies from company to company, and they may take other factors into account, like your driving history--but I'll bet you're 22 and have a short and spotty record, like I did when I was that age :) )
Even if your rates go up a little, it's still probably cheaper than paying the repairs yourself. In 6 months, call around for quotes on insurance to see if you can lower your rates (make sure you're honest!)
| Gravel-Fun | 11-13-2002 07:51 PM |
Okay,
I'll jump in on this one. 15 years as a body man. Most of my jobs were between $8000 and $15,000 to repair. Find a super reputable shop with a "Car-o-liner" frame rack with the full measuring system. Most shops are willing to tell you UP FRONT how much $$ to set the car up and tell you what is wrong structurally.
May be around $300 or more ( I stopped 4 years ago). You can then decide if you want to do the repair. They will quote the structural estimate when the car is set up.
You can pull the vehicles on that brand machine, more accurately than the manufacturer builds some cars! That is no B.S. If a shop says they have "so and so machine" and it's just as good, take a fast walk. "Car-o-liner" will check sway, frame rail height (if front end was driven straight up, strut tower position, and many other reference points. These units have accuracy to the millimeter.
Once the car is in the clamps, and the measuring system is set up, a straight down frame pull is pretty easy. Your bill will be lower also if you have the repair done while the car is up already.
If you have questions, please PM me. I will pass along any advice I can.
Gravel-Fun
I'll jump in on this one. 15 years as a body man. Most of my jobs were between $8000 and $15,000 to repair. Find a super reputable shop with a "Car-o-liner" frame rack with the full measuring system. Most shops are willing to tell you UP FRONT how much $$ to set the car up and tell you what is wrong structurally.
May be around $300 or more ( I stopped 4 years ago). You can then decide if you want to do the repair. They will quote the structural estimate when the car is set up.
You can pull the vehicles on that brand machine, more accurately than the manufacturer builds some cars! That is no B.S. If a shop says they have "so and so machine" and it's just as good, take a fast walk. "Car-o-liner" will check sway, frame rail height (if front end was driven straight up, strut tower position, and many other reference points. These units have accuracy to the millimeter.
Once the car is in the clamps, and the measuring system is set up, a straight down frame pull is pretty easy. Your bill will be lower also if you have the repair done while the car is up already.
If you have questions, please PM me. I will pass along any advice I can.
Gravel-Fun
| rlly_wgn | 11-17-2002 05:15 PM |
Ouch!
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Bummer on the damage to your car but I understand the temptation. These Subes can take a pretty heavy hit and keep rolling, thats why they are so much fun.
Just a small piece of advance for the future. Keep the WRX for a long time to get your money's worth. Gravel Fun im sure is correct on the fixing the problem for now.
I am a Sales Consultant for CarMax and you have knocked some serious value off of your car. So I suggest you keep it and enjoy it for a while. I have had all three of my Sube's (GL,XT,OBS) for over 175k a piece.
Good luck and drive safe :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Just a small piece of advance for the future. Keep the WRX for a long time to get your money's worth. Gravel Fun im sure is correct on the fixing the problem for now.
I am a Sales Consultant for CarMax and you have knocked some serious value off of your car. So I suggest you keep it and enjoy it for a while. I have had all three of my Sube's (GL,XT,OBS) for over 175k a piece.
Good luck and drive safe :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
| Imprezer | 11-17-2002 08:19 PM |
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Don't lift when going over the jump... if anything, lift a little bit very early, then peg it just before takeoff... transfers weight to the back, and you'll nose-up.
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Yep, that should work. Thats how they jump the ATV's and it works. It is called "preloading" the suspension. In ATV terms, it almost guarantees a nice even jump. Will it work in a WRX? Maybe, but with stock power, I doubt it will be very benefitial. Now, a torquefull WRC car can sure do that.
-Alex
Don't lift when going over the jump... if anything, lift a little bit very early, then peg it just before takeoff... transfers weight to the back, and you'll nose-up.
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Yep, that should work. Thats how they jump the ATV's and it works. It is called "preloading" the suspension. In ATV terms, it almost guarantees a nice even jump. Will it work in a WRX? Maybe, but with stock power, I doubt it will be very benefitial. Now, a torquefull WRC car can sure do that.
-Alex
| Steppin Razor | 11-18-2002 01:48 AM |
Yeah, I used to ride motocross. I understand the whole rotational inertia/thrust thing. Trust me. I just wish one of you had either bent a stock strut or a stock spindle so I could know which one bends first. And yes, I understand that most of you think I should have a professional look at it. I did and the guy was an idiot. I know, go to a better one. That's not the point. I want to find out if I can get the hood to sit flush if I replace the subframe. Unfortunately that's a pretty obscure question and I don't really except to get an answer. I was merely hoping that one of you pro rally drivers might have experience with this.
I know its basically impossible to tell without at least seeing pics, but since i don't have a digicam, I am useless. Thanks again for your input.
I know its basically impossible to tell without at least seeing pics, but since i don't have a digicam, I am useless. Thanks again for your input.
| BAN SUVS | 11-18-2002 01:58 AM |
YEEEEEEEHAAAAWWW!
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I remember whe I used to jump my grandmother's '84 Buick Regal over a little rise in the road over some farmer's irrigation canal... no wonder I bought a Suby... you guys have any idea what it takes to get a Regal up to the 90+ mph it took to lift it up off of all 4 tires? Thank goodness for good old fashioned rear wheel drive, or I probably would have smashed it (and myself) into a million small pieces. Too bad that didn't stop me from plowing through an abandoned microbrewery that other time...:eek:
| Steppin Razor | 11-18-2002 02:16 AM |
Re: YEEEEEEEHAAAAWWW!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BAN SUVS [/i]
[B]I remember whe I used to jump my grandmother's '84 Buick Regal over a little rise in the road over some farmer's irrigation canal... no wonder I bought a Suby... you guys have any idea what it takes to get a Regal up to the 90+ mph it took to lift it up off of all 4 tires? Thank goodness for good old fashioned rear wheel drive, or I probably would have smashed it (and myself) into a million small pieces. Too bad that didn't stop me from plowing through an abandoned microbrewery that other time...:eek: [/B][/QUOTE]
Geez!! I feel bad for your grandma. That sounds like an expensive accident. :lol: :lol:
[B]I remember whe I used to jump my grandmother's '84 Buick Regal over a little rise in the road over some farmer's irrigation canal... no wonder I bought a Suby... you guys have any idea what it takes to get a Regal up to the 90+ mph it took to lift it up off of all 4 tires? Thank goodness for good old fashioned rear wheel drive, or I probably would have smashed it (and myself) into a million small pieces. Too bad that didn't stop me from plowing through an abandoned microbrewery that other time...:eek: [/B][/QUOTE]
Geez!! I feel bad for your grandma. That sounds like an expensive accident. :lol: :lol:
| Gravel-Fun | 11-18-2002 08:20 AM |
Hi
In my opinion (as a body mechanic) replacing the crossmember will NOT bring the hood back down. In fact, if you remove the old crossmember, and the structure of the vehicle has moved, a new X-member may not bolt up. You might not, then, even be able to get the old one back in!
I have not even looked at my hood latch, but you may be able to loosen the bolts that hold it on, and move it down. If you try to drive it down more than the adjustment will go (with a board and hammer), it will likely buckle the core-support (radiator support).
Feel welcome to call me at home before 8:00 PM eastern. I am out for a leave of absence from work. I will be more than happy to discuss your options. If I am out running errands, leave a message, and I will call you back.
Roy
Home-301-695-2719
Gravel-Fun
In my opinion (as a body mechanic) replacing the crossmember will NOT bring the hood back down. In fact, if you remove the old crossmember, and the structure of the vehicle has moved, a new X-member may not bolt up. You might not, then, even be able to get the old one back in!
I have not even looked at my hood latch, but you may be able to loosen the bolts that hold it on, and move it down. If you try to drive it down more than the adjustment will go (with a board and hammer), it will likely buckle the core-support (radiator support).
Feel welcome to call me at home before 8:00 PM eastern. I am out for a leave of absence from work. I will be more than happy to discuss your options. If I am out running errands, leave a message, and I will call you back.
Roy
Home-301-695-2719
Gravel-Fun
| Steppin Razor | 11-18-2002 01:36 PM |
Thank you so much Roy that is exactly what I was looking for!! I had never thought that the old one might not even bolt back up if I was to take it off, but that is a great point. I have the part sitting at Santa Cruz Subaru right now, but I'm glad I didn't try to put it on. You just saved me a major PITA.
You'll be getting a call from me and I will see if I can locate a digi cam so that I can post some pics of the damage. Thanks again.
You'll be getting a call from me and I will see if I can locate a digi cam so that I can post some pics of the damage. Thanks again.
| Gravel-Fun | 11-18-2002 01:51 PM |
Feel welcome to call. Please do so before 8:00 PM eastern, as I have a 3 year old possessed by satan!
We hope to have that fixed soon. :)
Roy
We hope to have that fixed soon. :)
Roy
| BAN SUVS | 11-18-2002 09:21 PM |
Re: Re: YEEEEEEEHAAAAWWW!
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Steppin Razor [/i]
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Geez!! I feel bad for your grandma. That sounds like an expensive accident. :lol: :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Nah, that's what that insurance is for! I figure, this way we got our money's worth out of those inflated teenage comprehensive premiums, haha.:p Actually, it really sucked for me, paying the deductible cost me my senior prom, among other things. More importantly, I made my big mistake behind the wheel at an early age, didn't cause any injuries, and came to the conclusion that I had MUCH to learn about "sporty" driving. I have since done so, and there's nothing better than running a track or good safe backroad faster than a car with much more horsepower. Skill will trump the fatter wallet and big egos more often than not.:D
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Geez!! I feel bad for your grandma. That sounds like an expensive accident. :lol: :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Nah, that's what that insurance is for! I figure, this way we got our money's worth out of those inflated teenage comprehensive premiums, haha.:p Actually, it really sucked for me, paying the deductible cost me my senior prom, among other things. More importantly, I made my big mistake behind the wheel at an early age, didn't cause any injuries, and came to the conclusion that I had MUCH to learn about "sporty" driving. I have since done so, and there's nothing better than running a track or good safe backroad faster than a car with much more horsepower. Skill will trump the fatter wallet and big egos more often than not.:D
| BAN SUVS | 11-18-2002 09:22 PM |
Besides, I know I'm not the only one here who saw WAY too many reruns of The Dukes Of Hazzard about the time I got my license!:lol:
| Steppin Razor | 11-25-2002 11:40 PM |
Okay here are some pics of the damage. I know the pics aren't the best so just bear with me. I will find a replacement photographer eventually.:lol: Anyhow, I'm gonna get the alignment specsjust to see how far off everything was.
The left rear has WAY too much neg camber.
The right rear has some neg camber.
The right front has pos camber.
The left front looks very close to zero camber.
[url]http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrowse.asp?selected=116482[/url]
The left rear has WAY too much neg camber.
The right rear has some neg camber.
The right front has pos camber.
The left front looks very close to zero camber.
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| ranger | 11-26-2002 02:14 AM |
Not that insurance rates will not go up, but even an expensive repair is not as expensive as a small injury. I had a several thousand dollar claim on my motorcycle a while back (idiot old lady walked out right in front of me- I had to lay it down to not kill her), and my rates did not go up at all. So they may not go up as much as you think. Think of it as a loan from your insurance company to get your car fixed, and you pay it back over the years :)
Anybody here know how these insurance things work?
Anybody here know how these insurance things work?
| jdk | 11-26-2002 12:22 PM |
...man,sounds like that railroad intersection sure put U in UR place...now,pick up the pieces and go get yourself a sand rail,put your suby engine in and go teach that intersection on how to be a jump! On a side note, always check the backside of jump before u launch:eek:
| Steppin Razor | 11-26-2002 05:35 PM |
Okay, I went and got my alignment done at Auto Innovations on a Hunter rack. Here are the specs:
Left Front:
Camber: -0.05
Caster: 3.3
Toe: 0.01
Right Front:
Camber: -0.04
Caster: 3.4
Toe: 0.23
Left Rear:
Camber: -3.9 :eek:
Toe: 0.42
Right Rear:
Camber: -2.3 :eek:
Toe: -0.13
So it looks like the unibody took most of the blow for the front suspension, but the rear took a pretty good hit. I just found out that the two rear wheels are mildly bent as well.
So I'm actually going to install the rear strut I bought to see if that brings the left rear in at all. With any luck it will come in and then I can use camber bolts to get it closer to -1.5. Man this has been a PITA.:mad: But I have no one to blame but myself.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Left Front:
Camber: -0.05
Caster: 3.3
Toe: 0.01
Right Front:
Camber: -0.04
Caster: 3.4
Toe: 0.23
Left Rear:
Camber: -3.9 :eek:
Toe: 0.42
Right Rear:
Camber: -2.3 :eek:
Toe: -0.13
So it looks like the unibody took most of the blow for the front suspension, but the rear took a pretty good hit. I just found out that the two rear wheels are mildly bent as well.
So I'm actually going to install the rear strut I bought to see if that brings the left rear in at all. With any luck it will come in and then I can use camber bolts to get it closer to -1.5. Man this has been a PITA.:mad: But I have no one to blame but myself.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
| industrial | 11-26-2002 07:05 PM |
Man, I feel your pain. I foolishly went bombing down some canyon roads after installing a new rear sway bar. Well, sure enough I begin to spin out as I take turns faster and faster...I over correct and slam into a sloped embankment. I guess parts flew everywhere. My hood was poped up like yours. My new $500+paint prodrive front lip flew off and my bumper looked very messed up. I thought for sure my new $1500 rims were bent too. My foglightcovers were mangled and one flew off the cliff. Little plastic snaps everywhere...
Feels like the end of the world but, things will work out. Don't beat yourself up too much. You didnt kill anyone. The only thing hurt was a nice car. It's not like it's the last car you'll ever have. I hope everything works out ok for you. :)
As far as repairing my damage. It wasnt as bad as I thought. New radiator support to fix the hood, new bumper cover and re-alignment...oh yeah and alot of little plastic snaps...
Regards,
Bernard
Feels like the end of the world but, things will work out. Don't beat yourself up too much. You didnt kill anyone. The only thing hurt was a nice car. It's not like it's the last car you'll ever have. I hope everything works out ok for you. :)
As far as repairing my damage. It wasnt as bad as I thought. New radiator support to fix the hood, new bumper cover and re-alignment...oh yeah and alot of little plastic snaps...
Regards,
Bernard
| Steppin Razor | 11-26-2002 07:15 PM |
Well, that's good to know. Thanks for the words of wisdom Industrial.
| supermarkus | 11-26-2002 07:34 PM |
Depending on how badly damaged your frame is right behind the radiator support, you may need to have the frame arms from the firewall cut and replaced. That's a pretty spendy repair, pray that you can just have them bent back with the Car-o-liner. Check the strut towers for cracks and bent metal too.
| ANZAC_1915 | 11-26-2002 07:52 PM |
At least you didn't drive off a cliff.
| Steppin Razor | 11-27-2002 12:13 AM |
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! I just installed the NEW rear strut, and guess what?!?!?! The camber looks perfect now!!!!! :D :D :D
Oh man, I thought I was screwed there for a while. It turns out that the strut was bent where the lower strut mount is attached to the black strut body. It's supposed to be at a 90 deg angle and guess what? It wasn't. It's funny because the strut itself still worked perfectly, but it was still bent. Halleluja!!!
SO, the moral of the story is: IF you have excessive negative camber in the front OR rear, look at your struts. It seems that they bend where the lower strut mount attaches to the strut body. Keep in mind that this is from a VERTICAL (in the direction of the travel of the strut) blow to the suspension.
Thank you all for listening and now I have to sort out the front end. Let's hope that ends up the same way this did.:D
Oh man, I thought I was screwed there for a while. It turns out that the strut was bent where the lower strut mount is attached to the black strut body. It's supposed to be at a 90 deg angle and guess what? It wasn't. It's funny because the strut itself still worked perfectly, but it was still bent. Halleluja!!!
SO, the moral of the story is: IF you have excessive negative camber in the front OR rear, look at your struts. It seems that they bend where the lower strut mount attaches to the strut body. Keep in mind that this is from a VERTICAL (in the direction of the travel of the strut) blow to the suspension.
Thank you all for listening and now I have to sort out the front end. Let's hope that ends up the same way this did.:D
| CoiloverKid | 11-27-2002 03:31 PM |
another moral of the story: RS's jump better:p
get the sway-a-way suspension kit and air it out all day long dude!
get the sway-a-way suspension kit and air it out all day long dude!
| BAN SUVS | 08-10-2003 06:24 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Glenn Wallace [/i]
[B]At least you didn't drive off a cliff. [/B][/QUOTE]
How clairvoyant. :lol:
[B]At least you didn't drive off a cliff. [/B][/QUOTE]
How clairvoyant. :lol:
| sybir | 08-10-2003 04:41 PM |
lol, you're a bastard :)
boy does have bad luck with cars, though......
(the tire choice during his last incident was kinda nice, though ;))
boy does have bad luck with cars, though......
(the tire choice during his last incident was kinda nice, though ;))
| biggreen96 | 08-10-2003 08:17 PM |
I was just about to post that you would bend the strut before the hub but you just found that out. I bent both my pass. side struts after I hit a rock at 70mph, they seized up. I had lots of neg camber. Good luck with repairs.
| recce02 | 08-11-2003 05:24 PM |
Jumping my rally car has been fun and scarey at the same time. Fortunately I have not ruined anything up front from jumping. I have though ruined my whole front end hitting a tree head on at about fifty miles and hour. Luckily I had full safety harnesses on and a helmet. One thing I have learned is that I don't do any testing anymore on full moon nights. The insurance co. was pretty bent about it because they said that my car should have been totalled but since my roll cage goes from strut to strut, the cage took away the crumple zone, so they had to fix it. I went to a really good body shop and they had to raplace my right front frame rail and a whole buttload of parts up front. I got the car back after a gruling 6 months. My car seems to be OK and it still drvies straight and doesn't dogwalk. I was lucky, no injuries and I still have the same insurance company. Everyone I know with a WRX has wrecked their car in one way or another, it just happens when you buy these awsome cars, they make you feel invinsible. But just try to be as safe as possible. And most of all enjoy your car at "your" limits, you are out of your limits when something goes wrong.
Peace out
Marvin Gravel Crew Rally Team USA
Peace out
Marvin Gravel Crew Rally Team USA
| clyde | 08-29-2003 01:15 PM |
Hey, Subie Gal!
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[QUOTE][I]Originally posted by Subie Gal[/I]
i lifted just before the jump, thus allowing the weight to transfer forward....
but i did little damage thanks to the skid plate, 50mm DMS rally coil overs and the 1/4" steel reinforced front strut towers....[/QUOTE]
How is your strut tower reinforcement done? Any chance of pictures?
i lifted just before the jump, thus allowing the weight to transfer forward....
but i did little damage thanks to the skid plate, 50mm DMS rally coil overs and the 1/4" steel reinforced front strut towers....[/QUOTE]
How is your strut tower reinforcement done? Any chance of pictures?
| leecea | 08-29-2003 03:31 PM |
Hi recce02,
Can you give us any details of your insurance? I thought a rally car, with full cage, etc, would basically be uninsurable.
Can you give us any details of your insurance? I thought a rally car, with full cage, etc, would basically be uninsurable.
| Costas | 09-02-2003 01:54 PM |
Im curious as well,
Id like to see how everything worked ou for Razor too!
Id like to see how everything worked ou for Razor too!
| Lachute Performance | 09-04-2003 08:56 AM |
Our PGT WRX crossed the finish line here to take 3rd overall at the last national CARS event in Canada.
A perfect jump if you will !!!
Mark
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A perfect jump if you will !!!
Mark
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