| AlboWRX | 10-27-2006 07:11 AM |
Audi in WRC
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Does anyone know why Audi is not competing in WRC anymore? I have this friend who happens to be an Audi tech and he says the reason they stopped because they got kicked out cause they had the best AWD system (Quattro). I think he`s full of it.
| MattNJ2.8 | 10-27-2006 07:24 AM |
Your friend is completely full of it.
Audi and Ford withdrew towards at end of the Gruppe-B era, citing safety and cost concerns.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_B[/url]
Audi and Ford withdrew towards at end of the Gruppe-B era, citing safety and cost concerns.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_B[/url]
| SPOOLN | 10-27-2006 07:43 AM |
Where are my boot's?
| cannyboy | 10-27-2006 08:16 AM |
The deaths at the rally Portugal in 1986 was their main reason.
That and the fact that the quattro was no longer able to match the oppisition from lancia and peugeot.
Having said that, 86 wrc was probably the most spectacular era in any motorsport ever.
The wrc is a shaddow of its former self ever since..........
That and the fact that the quattro was no longer able to match the oppisition from lancia and peugeot.
Having said that, 86 wrc was probably the most spectacular era in any motorsport ever.
The wrc is a shaddow of its former self ever since..........
| Porter | 10-27-2006 08:57 AM |
As said above, the Quattro was simply no longer competitive with the mid-engine AWD rockets from Peugeot and Lancia.
With Ford quickly developing the RS200 and Citroen soon bringing the BX4TC to the table, Audi could see the writing on the wall. Chassis architecture was becoming the new paradigm for success.
The Quattro was devastating in the early '80s when AWD was new to the sport, but as drivetrain technologies became more refined throughout the sport and the competition also adopted variants of 4WD/AWD, Audi turned to power to give them a competitive advantage rather than re-examining the basic architecture of their cars. Compared to the smaller, lighter competition, Audi's cars were simply not as nimble or maneuverable. When the advantage of more valves and more (and more!) boost finally ran out, they decided to withdraw from the sport rather than rethink the basics.
The deaths of Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto in the Lancia Delta in '86 (coupled with several spectator deaths earlier in the year) were the death knell for Group B, but Audi was already fading and almost certainly had plans to withdraw from the sport anyway.
The lesson: AWD and a lot of power rewrote the rules, but when it really boils down, chassis architecture is what makes all the difference in motorsport. Almost everything else can be compensated for in one way or another, but the basic shortcomings of the car's design can't be overcome, at least not in a way that remains competitive at the highest level.
With Ford quickly developing the RS200 and Citroen soon bringing the BX4TC to the table, Audi could see the writing on the wall. Chassis architecture was becoming the new paradigm for success.
The Quattro was devastating in the early '80s when AWD was new to the sport, but as drivetrain technologies became more refined throughout the sport and the competition also adopted variants of 4WD/AWD, Audi turned to power to give them a competitive advantage rather than re-examining the basic architecture of their cars. Compared to the smaller, lighter competition, Audi's cars were simply not as nimble or maneuverable. When the advantage of more valves and more (and more!) boost finally ran out, they decided to withdraw from the sport rather than rethink the basics.
The deaths of Henri Toivonen and Sergio Cresto in the Lancia Delta in '86 (coupled with several spectator deaths earlier in the year) were the death knell for Group B, but Audi was already fading and almost certainly had plans to withdraw from the sport anyway.
The lesson: AWD and a lot of power rewrote the rules, but when it really boils down, chassis architecture is what makes all the difference in motorsport. Almost everything else can be compensated for in one way or another, but the basic shortcomings of the car's design can't be overcome, at least not in a way that remains competitive at the highest level.
| akuhner | 10-27-2006 09:19 AM |
Volkswagon Group owns Audi and Skoda, among others. Skoda was in WRC until recently, and they weren't having a great time of it, so VW Group wouldn't bother putting Audi back in it, which explains Audi's continued absence.
| WRXedUSA | 10-27-2006 09:56 AM |
Actually, your freind is correct!
[IMG]http://rallye-info.com/images/photos/skoda/2005sweden/740/Ekstrom2_269.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://rallye-info.com/images/photos/skoda/2005sweden/740/Ekstrom2_269.jpg[/IMG]
| Howl | 10-27-2006 10:08 AM |
Besides, everyone knows Subaru has the best AWD system. :lol:
Apparently, there are a few Group B era Audi's still around (and I've heard they are very difficult to drive on the street. ;) )
Apparently, there are a few Group B era Audi's still around (and I've heard they are very difficult to drive on the street. ;) )
| Yotsuya | 10-27-2006 10:23 AM |
Audi says from time to time they had nothing left to prove in rally.
I've heard a cantankerous German fan affirm that they had successfully proven they could not compete against Peugeot. :)
I've heard a cantankerous German fan affirm that they had successfully proven they could not compete against Peugeot. :)
| sachilles | 10-27-2006 10:25 AM |
Karl(carl?) Sprongle campaigned a Killer B Audi in the US and Canada for quite a while with decent success. I believe he still has the record on the Mt Washington HillClimb with that car. It was more powerfull that its 2.0l competiton, but suffered in the handling department in comparison.
I seem to remember in epic battle between John Buffum who came out of retirement to race the rally in quebec(forget the name,) in an Evo agaist Sprongle in the Audi.
found a cars press release about it
[URL="http://www.rallyracingnews.com/cars/99cars-pr15.html"]http://www.rallyracingnews.com/cars/99cars-pr15.html[/URL]
some of it is below, full results at the link.
[QUOTE]�le-aux-Coudres, Quebec--- John Buffum, long-time rallyist and multiple North American rally champion won the seventh event of the Subaru Canadian Rally Championship presented by Yokohama Tire of Canada. Buffum, in his Mitsubishi EVO 5 beat Canadian champion Frank Sprongl�s Audi Quattro S2 by a margin of 22 seconds; Sprongls goal of a perfect season was foiled. New Yorker Jon Kemp finished out the top three. Best performance for a Quebecer came from Sylvain Vincent in 4th place. 57 cars left the starting line on Friday evening on the Ile-aux-Coudres for a series of 17 special stages over two days in the Charlevoix region. Over 20,000 people attended the spectator event which made a redoubled security effort necessary.
Only seconds apart
It was down to the last stage on the final day; Buffum and Sprongl swapping leading times and stages depending on whether road surfaces were gravel or asphalt, a matter of agility or sheer power. Tom McGeer, in his Subaru Canada Impreza WRX was a contender on a number of stages until he was forced to bow out with a broken clutch. It was a bitter battle to the end for a number of teams, which made for crowd-pleasing entertainment. American Chris Havas (Golf) pulled ahead in two-wheel drive class Group 2, ahead of brother Andrew (RX7) and Marc Racine (Honda) of Joliette, Qc.
In Production GT class, Jacob Wisniewski surprised everyone with victory, ahead of Quebecer Eric Tremblay and Nova Scotian John Paynter. Production class saw the Chrysler Neon of Evan Moen in front of Stephane Levesque from Quebec by only 1:26 minutes. Ilana Rosenshein took a serious step forward in her quest for the 1750 championship despite a distant finish. Bruno Laverdiere of Laval; clinched best rookie this year and Sport class title.
Quality drivers retire
In addition to the McGeers, a number of teams were forced to retire: Jon Nichols had transmission trouble, Keith Townsend had a violent crash, Sakis Hadjiminas had some electrical problems and Alcaraz had brake troubles. Yves Barbe had the most tragic of problems; his Eagle Talon stopped in its tracks less than a few kilometres from the finish line. He was in fourth place, but did not finish.
The Subaru Canadian Rally Championship is presented eight times this year, between February and November. It is sanctioned by the Canadian Association of RallySport and supported by Subaru Canada and Yokohama Tire (Canada) Inc. Additional information is available from the CARS website at www3.sympatico.ca/rally.cars. or the RAC web site at [url]www.rallye-charlevoix.com[/url] INFORMATION:
CARS Mister Terry Epp (905) 640 6444
Michel Poirier-Defoy (450) 491 2480[/QUOTE]
I seem to remember in epic battle between John Buffum who came out of retirement to race the rally in quebec(forget the name,) in an Evo agaist Sprongle in the Audi.
found a cars press release about it
[URL="http://www.rallyracingnews.com/cars/99cars-pr15.html"]http://www.rallyracingnews.com/cars/99cars-pr15.html[/URL]
some of it is below, full results at the link.
[QUOTE]�le-aux-Coudres, Quebec--- John Buffum, long-time rallyist and multiple North American rally champion won the seventh event of the Subaru Canadian Rally Championship presented by Yokohama Tire of Canada. Buffum, in his Mitsubishi EVO 5 beat Canadian champion Frank Sprongl�s Audi Quattro S2 by a margin of 22 seconds; Sprongls goal of a perfect season was foiled. New Yorker Jon Kemp finished out the top three. Best performance for a Quebecer came from Sylvain Vincent in 4th place. 57 cars left the starting line on Friday evening on the Ile-aux-Coudres for a series of 17 special stages over two days in the Charlevoix region. Over 20,000 people attended the spectator event which made a redoubled security effort necessary.
Only seconds apart
It was down to the last stage on the final day; Buffum and Sprongl swapping leading times and stages depending on whether road surfaces were gravel or asphalt, a matter of agility or sheer power. Tom McGeer, in his Subaru Canada Impreza WRX was a contender on a number of stages until he was forced to bow out with a broken clutch. It was a bitter battle to the end for a number of teams, which made for crowd-pleasing entertainment. American Chris Havas (Golf) pulled ahead in two-wheel drive class Group 2, ahead of brother Andrew (RX7) and Marc Racine (Honda) of Joliette, Qc.
In Production GT class, Jacob Wisniewski surprised everyone with victory, ahead of Quebecer Eric Tremblay and Nova Scotian John Paynter. Production class saw the Chrysler Neon of Evan Moen in front of Stephane Levesque from Quebec by only 1:26 minutes. Ilana Rosenshein took a serious step forward in her quest for the 1750 championship despite a distant finish. Bruno Laverdiere of Laval; clinched best rookie this year and Sport class title.
Quality drivers retire
In addition to the McGeers, a number of teams were forced to retire: Jon Nichols had transmission trouble, Keith Townsend had a violent crash, Sakis Hadjiminas had some electrical problems and Alcaraz had brake troubles. Yves Barbe had the most tragic of problems; his Eagle Talon stopped in its tracks less than a few kilometres from the finish line. He was in fourth place, but did not finish.
The Subaru Canadian Rally Championship is presented eight times this year, between February and November. It is sanctioned by the Canadian Association of RallySport and supported by Subaru Canada and Yokohama Tire (Canada) Inc. Additional information is available from the CARS website at www3.sympatico.ca/rally.cars. or the RAC web site at [url]www.rallye-charlevoix.com[/url] INFORMATION:
CARS Mister Terry Epp (905) 640 6444
Michel Poirier-Defoy (450) 491 2480[/QUOTE]
| fastfreddy | 10-27-2006 11:09 AM |
The S2 wasnt group b - that was group A.
Group B was a different matter altogether.
To give audi credit, their group b car was probably the best souding mechanical device ever!
Their car could not compete given it's production car derivation.
They had a new mid engined quattro ready to go when group b was banned - and it was ugly!
Group B was a different matter altogether.
To give audi credit, their group b car was probably the best souding mechanical device ever!
Their car could not compete given it's production car derivation.
They had a new mid engined quattro ready to go when group b was banned - and it was ugly!
| greg donovan | 10-27-2006 11:29 AM |
i am pretty sure audi was banned from something.
but it wasnt WRC.
ahh found it it was touring cars:
[QUOTE="http://experts.about.com/e/a/au/audi.htm"]The FIA, having difficulty regulating the Quattro system and what impact it had on the competitors, would eventually ban all four wheel drive cars from competiting in 1998, by then Audi switched all their works efforts to sports car racing.[/QUOTE]
so audi specifically wasnt banned. just all awd cars.
but it wasnt WRC.
ahh found it it was touring cars:
[QUOTE="http://experts.about.com/e/a/au/audi.htm"]The FIA, having difficulty regulating the Quattro system and what impact it had on the competitors, would eventually ban all four wheel drive cars from competiting in 1998, by then Audi switched all their works efforts to sports car racing.[/QUOTE]
so audi specifically wasnt banned. just all awd cars.
| sachilles | 10-27-2006 11:56 AM |
Audi was banned from a US sports car based race series....ok, audi wasn't banned itself, but using its all wheel drive system was banned.
Trans am maybe?
Trans am maybe?
| M | 10-27-2006 12:23 PM |
they ran those comercials a while back.
AWD wasn't the "real unfair advantage" though, their cars were just much better than the comp and the easiest way to equalize was ban the AWD.
AWD wasn't the "real unfair advantage" though, their cars were just much better than the comp and the easiest way to equalize was ban the AWD.
| Porter | 10-27-2006 12:30 PM |
[quote=sachilles;15771533]Audi was banned from a US sports car based race series....ok, audi wasn't banned itself, but using its all wheel drive system was banned.
Trans am maybe?[/quote]
It was the 90 Quattro in IMSA (GTO) and the 200 Quattro in Trans-Am.
Trans am maybe?[/quote]
It was the 90 Quattro in IMSA (GTO) and the 200 Quattro in Trans-Am.
| rallymaniac | 10-27-2006 01:00 PM |
[QUOTE=MattNJ2.8;15768888]Your friend is completely full of it.
Audi and Ford withdrew towards at end of the Gruppe-B era, citing safety and cost concerns.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_B[/url][/QUOTE]
Well, Ford reentered after short time.
Audi and Ford withdrew towards at end of the Gruppe-B era, citing safety and cost concerns.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_B[/url][/QUOTE]
Well, Ford reentered after short time.
| Jack | 10-27-2006 01:23 PM |
They're allowed in GT racing now. I watched the race last year and the Audi shot off, just like the commercial. Ended up in second place behind a well driven Mazda 6, however.
Perhaps Audi doesn't want to update the 20 year old rally clips that it uses in it's commercials now. <zing!>
jack
Perhaps Audi doesn't want to update the 20 year old rally clips that it uses in it's commercials now. <zing!>
jack
| Subaru03 | 10-27-2006 01:43 PM |
audi is actually pretty good.
| bitterWRX | 10-27-2006 03:34 PM |
If you friend is a VW/Audi fanboy, they'll say that. I have a friend who is exactly like that, and the reason for pulling out of the series is because "they're so damn good."
While it is true that they had amazing speed, they pulled out because of the changes in the class rule. I think the reason they're not putting any effort into WRC is because of their Le Mans program. They've had amazing success with the new diesel R10 that they don't want to risk short-funding the Le Mans team.
While it is true that they had amazing speed, they pulled out because of the changes in the class rule. I think the reason they're not putting any effort into WRC is because of their Le Mans program. They've had amazing success with the new diesel R10 that they don't want to risk short-funding the Le Mans team.
| WRXedUSA | 10-27-2006 03:35 PM |
Barned:
[IMG]http://www.autocollections.com/image/cars/1989%20audi%20200%20quattro%20f.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.autocollections.com/image/cars/1989%20audi%20200%20quattro%20f.jpg[/IMG]
| STiShawn | 10-27-2006 03:38 PM |
fanboi dom hs nothing to do with it, its misinformation.
Porter thankyou for posting the facts.
I have built and drive an Audi 4000 quattro in open class rallycross and love the quattro system, yes its raw and unrefined compared to my WRX but it does things most other stock awd cars cant do...how many modern awd cars come with diff lockers stock?
Porter thankyou for posting the facts.
I have built and drive an Audi 4000 quattro in open class rallycross and love the quattro system, yes its raw and unrefined compared to my WRX but it does things most other stock awd cars cant do...how many modern awd cars come with diff lockers stock?
| AlboWRX | 10-27-2006 04:53 PM |
Wow, Didnt expect these many answers. Porter- Thank you for giving me an insight on this beautiful sport. I used to watch it everytime they would show it on Speed but somehow they`re not showing it anymore. booo-Speed TV.
I always thought that my friend was full of it. But I guess he`s half right.
I always thought that my friend was full of it. But I guess he`s half right.
| Homemade WRX | 10-27-2006 05:03 PM |
[QUOTE=fastfreddy;15770841] They had a new mid engined quattro ready to go when group b was banned - and it was ugly![/QUOTE]
funny, so did Toyota...with their high revving AWD AW11 MR2
funny, so did Toyota...with their high revving AWD AW11 MR2
| LGT-FST | 10-27-2006 05:18 PM |
Worry
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You should worry about Audi's in rallycross. Come to New England and race against an Audi in the snow. Locking diff's and 4 wheels spinning make ya real fast.:D
| XenoWolf | 10-27-2006 08:57 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA;15774895]Barned:
[IMG]http://www.autocollections.com/image/cars/1989%20audi%20200%20quattro%20f.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
So... rediculously... hot. :banana:
[IMG]http://www.autocollections.com/image/cars/1989%20audi%20200%20quattro%20f.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
So... rediculously... hot. :banana:
| Porter | 10-27-2006 11:08 PM |
If any of you guys get the chance, I [i]highly[/i] recommend the film "Too Fast To Race: The Group B Story".
As far as I know it's only available as a VHS in NTSC format, which I own (ordered from Duke Video).
I also have a very clean DivX version of it from the PAL DVD if anyone wants to host it, it's 700MB. It's totally worth it... GREAT history of the sport of rally up to the beginning of the modern era.
As far as I know it's only available as a VHS in NTSC format, which I own (ordered from Duke Video).
I also have a very clean DivX version of it from the PAL DVD if anyone wants to host it, it's 700MB. It's totally worth it... GREAT history of the sport of rally up to the beginning of the modern era.
| ka mano | 10-28-2006 02:20 AM |
I don't think we should be so quick to dismiss the Audi tech's claim as unreasonable. I personally was never allowed to rally race in the WRC because it was so clear I'd dominate the sport.
| Blk_on_Blk_Wgn | 10-28-2006 02:27 AM |
[QUOTE=Porter;15779379]If any of you guys get the chance, I [i]highly[/i] recommend the film "Too Fast To Race: The Group B Story".
As far as I know it's only available as a VHS in NTSC format, which I own (ordered from Duke Video).
I also have a very clean DivX version of it from the PAL DVD if anyone wants to host it, it's 700MB. It's totally worth it... GREAT history of the sport of rally up to the beginning of the modern era.[/QUOTE]
I am very interested in seeing that vid.. if someone would be nice enough to host it I would be willing to send them some cookies :banana: :banana:
As far as I know it's only available as a VHS in NTSC format, which I own (ordered from Duke Video).
I also have a very clean DivX version of it from the PAL DVD if anyone wants to host it, it's 700MB. It's totally worth it... GREAT history of the sport of rally up to the beginning of the modern era.[/QUOTE]
I am very interested in seeing that vid.. if someone would be nice enough to host it I would be willing to send them some cookies :banana: :banana:
| limestoner | 10-28-2006 02:43 AM |
break it in bits and post it on youtube.
| AlboWRX | 10-28-2006 07:31 AM |
[QUOTE=ka mano;15780633]I don't think we should be so quick to dismiss the Audi tech's claim as unreasonable. I personally was never allowed to rally race in the WRC because it was so clear I'd dominate the sport.[/QUOTE]LOL:lol:
| cannyboy | 10-28-2006 10:45 AM |
All those videos are available on dvd from duke usa
[URL="http://www.dukevideousa.com/Cars/DVD/Rallying/Rallying%20History/Too%20Fast%20to%20Race%20DVD%20NTSC.aspx"]http://www.dukevideousa.com/Cars/DVD/Rallying/Rallying%20History/Too%20Fast%20to%20Race%20DVD%20NTSC.aspx[/URL]
this also kicks ass
[URL="http://www.dukevideousa.com/Cars/DVD/Rallying/Rallying%20History/Greatest%20Years%20of%20Rallying%2080S%20DVD%20NTSC.aspx"]http://www.dukevideousa.com/Cars/DVD/Rallying/Rallying%20History/Greatest%20Years%20of%20Rallying%2080S%20DVD%20NTSC.aspx[/URL]
[URL="http://www.dukevideousa.com/Cars/DVD/Rallying/Rallying%20History/Too%20Fast%20to%20Race%20DVD%20NTSC.aspx"]http://www.dukevideousa.com/Cars/DVD/Rallying/Rallying%20History/Too%20Fast%20to%20Race%20DVD%20NTSC.aspx[/URL]
this also kicks ass
[URL="http://www.dukevideousa.com/Cars/DVD/Rallying/Rallying%20History/Greatest%20Years%20of%20Rallying%2080S%20DVD%20NTSC.aspx"]http://www.dukevideousa.com/Cars/DVD/Rallying/Rallying%20History/Greatest%20Years%20of%20Rallying%2080S%20DVD%20NTSC.aspx[/URL]
| 83Rabbit | 10-28-2006 11:06 AM |
i want a divx copy :)
| [email�protected] | 10-28-2006 12:59 PM |
[quote]The S2 wasnt group b - that was group A.
Group B was a different matter altogether.[/quote]
Frank Sprongl's Audi was an S2 chassis but used a Group B Lehmann built and serviced 10V Turbo motor from 1983 spec cars. The car was ~450 bhp in the US with the restrictor and over 500 in Canada.
The leftover Group B cars mostly found their way into European Rallycross. Even the post Group B rallycross cars are to date the quickest point to point cars in the world. 0-60 in 2.2 and 0-100 in 5 flat. In Division 1 rallycross, up until 1995 (I think) there were no restrictors. I talked to Ian Hamwood who has tuned for Autronic for a while. He had pre-restrictor cars that would make 600-700 to the wheels. Now with a 48mm they make ~550bhp/600 ft/lbs.
Group B was a different matter altogether.[/quote]
Frank Sprongl's Audi was an S2 chassis but used a Group B Lehmann built and serviced 10V Turbo motor from 1983 spec cars. The car was ~450 bhp in the US with the restrictor and over 500 in Canada.
The leftover Group B cars mostly found their way into European Rallycross. Even the post Group B rallycross cars are to date the quickest point to point cars in the world. 0-60 in 2.2 and 0-100 in 5 flat. In Division 1 rallycross, up until 1995 (I think) there were no restrictors. I talked to Ian Hamwood who has tuned for Autronic for a while. He had pre-restrictor cars that would make 600-700 to the wheels. Now with a 48mm they make ~550bhp/600 ft/lbs.
| cannyboy | 10-28-2006 02:33 PM |
I saw the start of a Div 1 rallycross race live once, and a shuttle launch a few months ago.
Only one was impressive!
Only one was impressive!
| Porter | 10-28-2006 03:09 PM |
[quote=83Rabbit;15781932]i want a divx copy :)[/quote]
Show me an FTP and I'll upload. :D
Show me an FTP and I'll upload. :D
| Seven Force | 10-28-2006 04:19 PM |
^^^^^^
Will someone please point this man in the right direction!!! :mad:
I wanna see the vid now!!!
Will someone please point this man in the right direction!!! :mad:
I wanna see the vid now!!!
| Mopho | 10-28-2006 05:06 PM |
Audi currently does not compete in the WRC because the demographic of rallying does not fit Audis current upscale market.
Rallying tends to attract younger middle income people, while road racing attracts higher income, middle aged people, which is Audi's target audience for their cars
Rallying tends to attract younger middle income people, while road racing attracts higher income, middle aged people, which is Audi's target audience for their cars
| AruisDante | 10-28-2006 05:56 PM |
Indeed.
Plus, as someone mentioned, they don't want to short-change their LM team. Rally is probably one of the most expencive motorsports short of F1, because you break things ALL the time. Think of how often a driver smashes a body panel in a race. Most of those body panels cost more then my car. Not to mention the mechanical bits the break, and how often whole cars are totaled, which probably happens at least once or twice a season.
And having rallied both Quatros and Imprezas, the difference in approach to rallying is obvious. The Impreza's don't have as much power, but they're far far nimbler. The Quatros are like fricking barges in turns, but they're much faster in a strait line.
Plus, as someone mentioned, they don't want to short-change their LM team. Rally is probably one of the most expencive motorsports short of F1, because you break things ALL the time. Think of how often a driver smashes a body panel in a race. Most of those body panels cost more then my car. Not to mention the mechanical bits the break, and how often whole cars are totaled, which probably happens at least once or twice a season.
And having rallied both Quatros and Imprezas, the difference in approach to rallying is obvious. The Impreza's don't have as much power, but they're far far nimbler. The Quatros are like fricking barges in turns, but they're much faster in a strait line.
| PA04STI | 10-28-2006 08:00 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA;15774895]Barned:
[IMG]http://www.autocollections.com/image/cars/1989%20audi%20200%20quattro%20f.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Funny I was just there....Las Vegas in the Luxor I think that was the name of the casino....It also had 2 Ford RS200s there too. The Audi is a Audi 200 used in Grand Am GT.
Here are 3 more pics:
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/pa04sti/Pict1406.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/pa04sti/Pict1478.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/pa04sti/Pict1444.jpg[/IMG]
Also 3 of the RS200:
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/pa04sti/Pict1421.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/pa04sti/Pict1422.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/pa04sti/Pict1480.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.autocollections.com/image/cars/1989%20audi%20200%20quattro%20f.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Funny I was just there....Las Vegas in the Luxor I think that was the name of the casino....It also had 2 Ford RS200s there too. The Audi is a Audi 200 used in Grand Am GT.
Here are 3 more pics:
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/pa04sti/Pict1406.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/pa04sti/Pict1478.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/pa04sti/Pict1444.jpg[/IMG]
Also 3 of the RS200:
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/pa04sti/Pict1421.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/pa04sti/Pict1422.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/pa04sti/Pict1480.jpg[/IMG]
| WRXedUSA | 10-28-2006 08:52 PM |
It's at the Imperial Palace.
I was there last month. I couldnt believe that they had 3 RS200's.
I was there last month. I couldnt believe that they had 3 RS200's.
| WRXedUSA | 10-28-2006 08:53 PM |
[QUOTE=Mopho;15784228]Audi currently does not compete in the WRC because the demographic of rallying does not fit Audis current upscale market.
Rallying tends to attract younger middle income people, while road racing attracts higher income, middle aged people, which is Audi's target audience for their cars[/QUOTE]
Yep.
Think of WRC as the Nascar for Europe. It really is.
Rallying tends to attract younger middle income people, while road racing attracts higher income, middle aged people, which is Audi's target audience for their cars[/QUOTE]
Yep.
Think of WRC as the Nascar for Europe. It really is.
| ka mano | 10-28-2006 09:16 PM |
and NASCAR is the WRC of the States
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| shikataganai | 10-28-2006 10:34 PM |
[QUOTE=Porter;15783448]Show me an FTP and I'll upload. :D[/QUOTE]
start a torrent of it!
start a torrent of it!
| Porter | 10-29-2006 12:01 AM |
[quote=shikataganai;15786701]start a torrent of it![/quote]
I'd rather not. I have a line on a fast host, I'll let you know if/when it's up.
I'd rather not. I have a line on a fast host, I'll let you know if/when it's up.
| Doug Woods | 10-29-2006 03:32 PM |
ACP Tests Sprongl's Group B Audi
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Actually, both Frank Sprongl and John Buffum both still have Group B Audis.
Andrew Comrie-Picard test drove Frank's car and wrote an article on it here:
[url]http://www.musketeerracing.com/comparo.html[/url]
Doug Woods
Andrew Comrie-Picard test drove Frank's car and wrote an article on it here:
[url]http://www.musketeerracing.com/comparo.html[/url]
Doug Woods
| Yotsuya | 10-29-2006 03:47 PM |
Speaking of videos, hs anyone a clean copy of an old French production 'Best of Group B?' It's basically an hour and half of raw footage from 84-86 with sound and no music or commentary.
Too fast to race is floating around on torrents out there; it's worth a look as well.
Too fast to race is floating around on torrents out there; it's worth a look as well.
| STiShawn | 10-30-2006 10:17 AM |
yotsya, is that the 1 1/2 hour one? If so thats awesome.
And nothing is like a clutch dump rallyrcross start in a locked up audi quattro, but with out the turbo it gets less interesting after that.
Mine:
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/drgnrcr101/Audi/Marla_on_the_move/IMG_9757.jpg[/IMG]
And nothing is like a clutch dump rallyrcross start in a locked up audi quattro, but with out the turbo it gets less interesting after that.
Mine:
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v337/drgnrcr101/Audi/Marla_on_the_move/IMG_9757.jpg[/IMG]
| Yotsuya | 10-30-2006 10:29 AM |
Yes, there's about 30 seconds of interview with Jean Ragniotti (in French), and then it's nothing but but raw footage. My copy from some Hungarian site hangs up around an hour and ten minutes, so there's some 20 minutes or so I haven't seen.
The Audi looks very nice; you haven't torn any of those wheels off I hope. ;)
The Audi looks very nice; you haven't torn any of those wheels off I hope. ;)
| STiShawn | 10-30-2006 11:13 AM |
lol nope, using alloy's only on this one..steelies FTL
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