| ImprezedRS | 01-30-2002 11:00 PM |
AutoX car class?
Ok I am all confused now with all the new classes and rule changes. Last year I ran STS for the beginning of the year and SM for the last ones. Now the problem is what class will I run this year. Could you all help me classify my car.
Power mods:
Intake
Exhaust
Torque Chip II
Suspension:
Front and rear strut tower bars
Anti Lift Kit
rear sway bar
front and rear endlinks
rear lower cusco bar thingy
Teain Springs(soon to be replaced with coilovers)
Other things:
Morette lights(makes difference in classes)
Brake ducts
4pot brakes
Gutted interior
lightweight front and rear bumper beams
Rally scoop and vent(ordering tomorow)
Power mods:
Intake
Exhaust
Torque Chip II
Suspension:
Front and rear strut tower bars
Anti Lift Kit
rear sway bar
front and rear endlinks
rear lower cusco bar thingy
Teain Springs(soon to be replaced with coilovers)
Other things:
Morette lights(makes difference in classes)
Brake ducts
4pot brakes
Gutted interior
lightweight front and rear bumper beams
Rally scoop and vent(ordering tomorow)
| Strepto | 01-31-2002 12:26 AM |
the brakes alone put you in SM. Then there's the entire ALK issue that I still haven't seen a definite answer on
| ChrisW | 01-31-2002 01:27 AM |
The ALK puts you out of SM and into either OSP or prepared (not sure which prepared class)
| LUME | 01-31-2002 08:11 AM |
I think you're in DSP....
| Strepto | 01-31-2002 09:17 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by LUME [/i]
[B]I think you're in DSP.... [/B][/QUOTE]
you can't touch rotors and calipers in Street Prepared
[B]I think you're in DSP.... [/B][/QUOTE]
you can't touch rotors and calipers in Street Prepared
| Tony | 01-31-2002 09:23 AM |
That's what I thought. I think SM is your best bet. You are technically illegal with the ALK but locally no one should really care. If you were planning on going to National events you should've checked out the rules long ago.
Also you'll need R-compound tires to be competative.
Tony
Also you'll need R-compound tires to be competative.
Tony
| LUME | 01-31-2002 09:37 AM |
Duh... forgot about that....
From now on, I'm just going to say:
"A MOD"!!!
From now on, I'm just going to say:
"A MOD"!!!
| Tony | 01-31-2002 09:50 AM |
Heh, we have big wings but not [b]that[/b] big ;)
Tony
Tony
| WRXster | 01-31-2002 03:59 PM |
Does any class allow gutted interiors, besides Prepared and Mod?
| ChrisW | 01-31-2002 04:06 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WRXster [/i]
[B]Does any class allow gutted interiors, besides Prepared and Mod? [/B][/QUOTE]
I have heard, but not verified, that if there is an IT spec (road racing spec???) for the car, you can run the car in SP with a stripped down interior.
[B]Does any class allow gutted interiors, besides Prepared and Mod? [/B][/QUOTE]
I have heard, but not verified, that if there is an IT spec (road racing spec???) for the car, you can run the car in SP with a stripped down interior.
| Tangmere | 01-31-2002 05:41 PM |
What about the fact that its an auto tranny with an ECU controlled center diff? Methinks he shouldn't have even been in STS or SM at all, correct?
Mark
Mark
| ChrisW | 01-31-2002 06:03 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tangmere [/i]
[B]What about the fact that its an auto tranny with an ECU controlled center diff? Methinks he shouldn't have even been in STS or SM at all, correct?
Mark [/B][/QUOTE]
Why? that's a factory option, correct? If it's a factory option, then it's legal even for the stock class.
If it's not a factory option for his particular model, then it may be allowed through update/backdate rules and perfectly legal for SM, STS and SP
[B]What about the fact that its an auto tranny with an ECU controlled center diff? Methinks he shouldn't have even been in STS or SM at all, correct?
Mark [/B][/QUOTE]
Why? that's a factory option, correct? If it's a factory option, then it's legal even for the stock class.
If it's not a factory option for his particular model, then it may be allowed through update/backdate rules and perfectly legal for SM, STS and SP
| ImprezedRS | 01-31-2002 10:35 PM |
Yeah me and a bunch of the people at an autoX one time were talking about that since that isn't allowed in the STS class but it was a stock part on the car and the car is classified in that class, so they let me run with that though.
| ChaosThom | 02-01-2002 12:44 PM |
When you removed your bumper beams you made your car no longer street legal. I'll worry about you all the time. That's a very dangerous thing to do on a street driven car.
Gutting the interior put you out of the street classes too.
I lost my stinkin' rule book so I can't tell you exactly what category, but I think you should run in prepared.
Gutting the interior put you out of the street classes too.
I lost my stinkin' rule book so I can't tell you exactly what category, but I think you should run in prepared.
| Tangmere | 02-01-2002 01:36 PM |
From what I've heard, "lightweight bumper beams" are factory spec for everywhere but the US. 2 1/2 mph impact protection as opposed to our 5 mph ones.
Mark
Mark
| LUME | 02-01-2002 01:54 PM |
if you are going to run and IT car is an SP, you must show a log book.
--Roy
PS. Last I heard, the auto RS WAS in fact illegal for STS. But it's so much slower than a manual that nobody cares....
--Roy
PS. Last I heard, the auto RS WAS in fact illegal for STS. But it's so much slower than a manual that nobody cares....
| Midwayman | 02-01-2002 04:14 PM |
If you've gutted your interior forget about SM. You can only remove the back seat. Sounds like a prepared/mod class for you. (ouch)
| ImprezedRS | 02-02-2002 01:03 AM |
Auto is some much slower, thats funny since I beat most of the cars in STS when I ran. Even beat 5 speed RSs that had more stuff done.
| LUME | 02-02-2002 11:34 AM |
Well, maybe thats because your car is totally illegal for STS.
If you consider two comparable drivers in comparably prepped RS's, the guy with the 5 speed is going to womp on the auto.
--Roy
If you consider two comparable drivers in comparably prepped RS's, the guy with the 5 speed is going to womp on the auto.
--Roy
| ImprezedRS | 02-03-2002 12:26 AM |
No at the time when I ran STS everthing was legal, I moved to SM when I got the 4pots and then I just did all the otherr stuff.
| ImprezedRS | 02-03-2002 12:27 AM |
Also I personally think that the auto would take the 5 speed with the same mods and same skill of driver.
On one note a guy I know that drives a 5 speed drove my car with me in it and did about a sec almost 2 better than my time.
On one note a guy I know that drives a 5 speed drove my car with me in it and did about a sec almost 2 better than my time.
| SONofSAM | 02-03-2002 05:51 AM |
:cool:
| LUME | 02-03-2002 09:55 AM |
A: Just checked my S2 rulebook, IT cars DO NOT require logbook.
2: If you honestly think that autos are faster than five speeds, then why the hell does EVERY race series use manual transmissions.... :rolleyes:
2: If you honestly think that autos are faster than five speeds, then why the hell does EVERY race series use manual transmissions.... :rolleyes:
| Luvmy2.5RS | 02-03-2002 02:54 PM |
Well said...:)
| ImprezedRS | 02-04-2002 11:02 AM |
Now I'm not too positive on this but I heard the the WRC Impreza(GC8 body style) used an automatic 6 speed that allowed you too also manually changed the gears or something like that, but I don't know. Maybe thats just some BS someone told me.
Also I can hit 65 mph with out switching into thrid, can the 5 speeds do that? Nope they have to switch into 3rd to get past 60 unless you go way past the redline, unless you have cams or turbo then that is a waste of time.
Ok back to the classifications, I don't want this to turn into a flaming war. So I can't run STS, STX, or DSP, so what can I run? Or can I run DSP? Now I'm confused, good thing I got about a month before the AutoX season starts here. I need to get my self a rule book I guess.
Also I can hit 65 mph with out switching into thrid, can the 5 speeds do that? Nope they have to switch into 3rd to get past 60 unless you go way past the redline, unless you have cams or turbo then that is a waste of time.
Ok back to the classifications, I don't want this to turn into a flaming war. So I can't run STS, STX, or DSP, so what can I run? Or can I run DSP? Now I'm confused, good thing I got about a month before the AutoX season starts here. I need to get my self a rule book I guess.
| ExchangeGuy | 02-04-2002 12:13 PM |
Re: AutoX car class?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ImprezedRS [/i]
[B]Ok I am all confused now with all the new classes and rule changes. Last year I ran STS for the beginning of the year and SM for the last ones. Now the problem is what class will I run this year. Could you all help me classify my car.
Power mods:
Intake
Exhaust
Torque Chip II
Suspension:
Front and rear strut tower bars
Anti Lift Kit
rear sway bar
front and rear endlinks
rear lower cusco bar thingy
Teain Springs(soon to be replaced with coilovers)
Other things:
Morette lights(makes difference in classes)
Brake ducts
4pot brakes
Gutted interior
lightweight front and rear bumper beams
Rally scoop and vent(ordering tomorow) [/B][/QUOTE]
Fromwhat I see in "other things" and some item listed in Suspension.
You would be classed in SM for sure.
[B]Ok I am all confused now with all the new classes and rule changes. Last year I ran STS for the beginning of the year and SM for the last ones. Now the problem is what class will I run this year. Could you all help me classify my car.
Power mods:
Intake
Exhaust
Torque Chip II
Suspension:
Front and rear strut tower bars
Anti Lift Kit
rear sway bar
front and rear endlinks
rear lower cusco bar thingy
Teain Springs(soon to be replaced with coilovers)
Other things:
Morette lights(makes difference in classes)
Brake ducts
4pot brakes
Gutted interior
lightweight front and rear bumper beams
Rally scoop and vent(ordering tomorow) [/B][/QUOTE]
Fromwhat I see in "other things" and some item listed in Suspension.
You would be classed in SM for sure.
| Midwayman | 02-04-2002 02:00 PM |
no, "gutted interior" makes him ineligable for SM.
| Tony | 02-04-2002 02:40 PM |
It's not technically legal in any of the regualr classes but locally I don't think anyone will mind if you run SM. The ALK and gutted interiors aren't a huge performance advantage and you car, as you have it now, won't be competative. Just ask the guys who run in SM in your region if they mind and explain your mods. Someone would have to be a real prick to not let you run. If you go to National level competitions (National Tour/Pro Solo) people will complain though.
Tony
P.S. FWIW the WRC tranny is basically a manual tranny with a fancy gear changing mechanism. It's nothing like a passenger car's automatic (no torque converter, etc.). To your credit there is a ProRally team that uses an automatic Subaru since the manuals kept breaking on them (Eurosport Manhatten).
Tony
P.S. FWIW the WRC tranny is basically a manual tranny with a fancy gear changing mechanism. It's nothing like a passenger car's automatic (no torque converter, etc.). To your credit there is a ProRally team that uses an automatic Subaru since the manuals kept breaking on them (Eurosport Manhatten).
| ImprezedRS | 02-04-2002 09:36 PM |
Thanks Tony on the clarication on the WRC Tranny, like I said somebody told me that, I thought it was BS.
But I'm sure there has to be class that allows gutted interiors. Most likly I will try SM if noone will protest on it.
But I'm sure there has to be class that allows gutted interiors. Most likly I will try SM if noone will protest on it.
| Tony | 02-04-2002 09:57 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ImprezedRS [/i]
[B]But I'm sure there has to be class that allows gutted interiors. Most likly I will try SM if noone will protest on it. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yep, all the Prepared and Modified classes allow gutted interiors but no one hardly runs in those classes and if they did you'd be [b]really[/b] out classed (they're track cars trailered to the event). At least in SM you would be competing against other street legal cars and would stand a chance (if you used r-compound tires).
Tony
[B]But I'm sure there has to be class that allows gutted interiors. Most likly I will try SM if noone will protest on it. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yep, all the Prepared and Modified classes allow gutted interiors but no one hardly runs in those classes and if they did you'd be [b]really[/b] out classed (they're track cars trailered to the event). At least in SM you would be competing against other street legal cars and would stand a chance (if you used r-compound tires).
Tony
| Rebellion | 02-04-2002 09:59 PM |
well the prepared classes allow gutted interiors... but you've got other weird stuff that might not fit ...
DP maybe?
DP maybe?
| ImprezedRS | 02-04-2002 11:18 PM |
My car is a damn mutt, it has a little of ever class but isn't legal in any. I guess I will have to run prepared then.
| Travis R | 02-05-2002 11:00 AM |
The gutted interior, lightened bumpers, and ALK make you illegal for everything but EP.
If you put them back in then you could run SM.
If you put them back in then you could run SM.
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