| Fred | 06-06-2004 09:34 PM |
DC ProSolo
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Here's what I learned...
ProSolo is even more fun than it looks!
Rain really sucks when you're working - and you're sick - and it's cold and windy.
Rain is not really that bad when you're driving a Subaru.
My car needs to be a little bit faster.
I need to drive a WHOLE LOT faster.
When you're in 4th place after day one, don't change the setup or you may cone away both right side runs on the second day and drop to 10th. (it wasn't totally the car's fault, of course)
Overall, the event was a lot of fun & I learned a lot. Hopefully I can work on the car and really focus on the driving the rest of the year and bring myself up to the level where Billy and Corey are. They drove really well (and so did Dan and his co-driver), and I saw their cars doing things that my car wasn't really willing to do. This experience really put things into perspective, and showed me what I need to work on if I don't want to get spanked next time.
It was great meeting everybody, and I hope to see you soon!
Kevin Allen
#25 STS
ProSolo is even more fun than it looks!
Rain really sucks when you're working - and you're sick - and it's cold and windy.
Rain is not really that bad when you're driving a Subaru.
My car needs to be a little bit faster.
I need to drive a WHOLE LOT faster.
When you're in 4th place after day one, don't change the setup or you may cone away both right side runs on the second day and drop to 10th. (it wasn't totally the car's fault, of course)
Overall, the event was a lot of fun & I learned a lot. Hopefully I can work on the car and really focus on the driving the rest of the year and bring myself up to the level where Billy and Corey are. They drove really well (and so did Dan and his co-driver), and I saw their cars doing things that my car wasn't really willing to do. This experience really put things into perspective, and showed me what I need to work on if I don't want to get spanked next time.
It was great meeting everybody, and I hope to see you soon!
Kevin Allen
#25 STS
| CamaroFS34 | 06-07-2004 08:00 AM |
I won't go into my horrible little experience at the DC Pro. I hit two too many cones :p and just saw some of the worst whining and carrying on this side of FS. :rolleyes:
Needless to say, I'll be back in a Subie next weekend (Toledo Pro), compliments of Mr. Ridgick. So, there, I guess I'll be able to hear all the little Honda drivers whine and complain. :lol:
Anyway, I've got some pics from DC here : [url]http://www.xecu.net/kiirenza/picture/dcpro[/url] As usual, please ask permission before using. :)
Congrats to Eric Kriemelmeyer for taking the Bonus Challenge, and to Billy Brooks for the STS win!
Karen
Needless to say, I'll be back in a Subie next weekend (Toledo Pro), compliments of Mr. Ridgick. So, there, I guess I'll be able to hear all the little Honda drivers whine and complain. :lol:
Anyway, I've got some pics from DC here : [url]http://www.xecu.net/kiirenza/picture/dcpro[/url] As usual, please ask permission before using. :)
Congrats to Eric Kriemelmeyer for taking the Bonus Challenge, and to Billy Brooks for the STS win!
Karen
| Scooby South | 06-07-2004 08:13 AM |
What about the rest of the results???? STX??? STU??? SM???
DS???? thanks
Bill
DS???? thanks
Bill
| KC | 06-07-2004 08:24 AM |
Results:
[url]http://www.scca.org/_Filelibrary/File/solo-04dcpro-sun.pdf[/url]
Challenge Results:
[url]http://www.scca.org/_Filelibrary/File/solo-04dcpro-chal.pdf[/url]
--kC
[url]http://www.scca.org/_Filelibrary/File/solo-04dcpro-sun.pdf[/url]
Challenge Results:
[url]http://www.scca.org/_Filelibrary/File/solo-04dcpro-chal.pdf[/url]
--kC
| Scooby South | 06-07-2004 08:29 AM |
Thank you kind sir..:D
Bill
Bill
| Scooby South | 06-07-2004 08:34 AM |
Where does STU get bumped to???
Bill
Nevermind.....BSP???? WTH....thats fair...:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Bill
Nevermind.....BSP???? WTH....thats fair...:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
| Corey | 06-07-2004 08:52 AM |
Damn these 2nd place finishes! Let's play a game called Corey wins! :lol: Billy drive great on both days. I was happy to only be .2 behind him when the dust settled. I RL'ed both sides on my 2nd runs on Sunday morning... I cut a .511 light right before, and I thought I was getting a little close, but I didn't back off... Oh well my fault.
Nice seeing some new faces out there...
STS had Subaru's in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Oh yea, Mike King owes Dan Shalkowski $200:p
Dan figured that after a 2.7 second advantage on his right side run, that he would let a piece of plastic from his bumper hang a little bit into the starting light and RL away the win on the left side.:lol:
Nice seeing some new faces out there...
STS had Subaru's in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Oh yea, Mike King owes Dan Shalkowski $200:p
Dan figured that after a 2.7 second advantage on his right side run, that he would let a piece of plastic from his bumper hang a little bit into the starting light and RL away the win on the left side.:lol:
| Scooby South | 06-07-2004 08:55 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Corey [/i]
[B]Damn these 2nd place finishes! Let's play a game called Corey wins! :lol: Billy drive great on both days. I was happy to only be .2 behind him when the dust settled. I RL'ed both sides on my 2nd runs on Sunday morning... I cut a .511 light right before, and I thought I was getting a little close, but I didn't back off... Oh well my fault.
Nice seeing some new faces out there...
STS had Subaru's in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Oh yea, Mike King owes Dan Shalkowski $200:p
Dan figured that after a 2.7 second advantage on his right side run, that he would let a piece of plastic from his bumper hang a little bit into the starting light and RL away the win on the left side.:lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Good run man.....hmmmmm and Mike oweing???? :p
and He got beat by a freakin MINI....MIKE/??? WTH.....:D:D:D:D:D
[B]Damn these 2nd place finishes! Let's play a game called Corey wins! :lol: Billy drive great on both days. I was happy to only be .2 behind him when the dust settled. I RL'ed both sides on my 2nd runs on Sunday morning... I cut a .511 light right before, and I thought I was getting a little close, but I didn't back off... Oh well my fault.
Nice seeing some new faces out there...
STS had Subaru's in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th
Oh yea, Mike King owes Dan Shalkowski $200:p
Dan figured that after a 2.7 second advantage on his right side run, that he would let a piece of plastic from his bumper hang a little bit into the starting light and RL away the win on the left side.:lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Good run man.....hmmmmm and Mike oweing???? :p
and He got beat by a freakin MINI....MIKE/??? WTH.....:D:D:D:D:D
| CamaroFS34 | 06-07-2004 09:01 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Corey [/i]
[B]Damn these 2nd place finishes! Let's play a game called Corey wins! :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Wasn't that Atlanta? ;)
Seriously, you were right about being able to catch Billy if it stayed "dry," but you were wrong about "everyone else catching you." ;)
Karen
[B]Damn these 2nd place finishes! Let's play a game called Corey wins! :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Wasn't that Atlanta? ;)
Seriously, you were right about being able to catch Billy if it stayed "dry," but you were wrong about "everyone else catching you." ;)
Karen
| Watkinsm3 | 06-07-2004 10:46 AM |
We'll keep my story simple...
Threw a good finish away cause I liked to cone and redlight away my dry runs. That's about it... just alot of driver error on sunday.
-Matt
Threw a good finish away cause I liked to cone and redlight away my dry runs. That's about it... just alot of driver error on sunday.
-Matt
| solo-x | 06-07-2004 12:03 PM |
no redlights for me. couldn't get my car moving off the line. i probably could have left when the first yellow went out and not had a redlight. 60' times of 7 seconds are nice. :lol: my problem was spins and a cone on my only "good" right side. my only consolation is that my scratch time on the right would have been good enough for 4th had it been clean. :mad: strangely enough, that was the only cone i hit that wasn't part of a spin. :huh:
did anybody see jeff hurst rip off a 28.2 on the left? :eek: it was a redlight run by .01x or so, but still, that's FLYIN'! ended up he placed 5th standing on a time from saturday on one side and a high 28 on the other side. this after being DFL after saturday. talk about someone to look out for. he was the only fwd car that was even in the same neighborhood as corey and billy.
nate
btw, congrats to billy! some awesome drivin' between you and corey
did anybody see jeff hurst rip off a 28.2 on the left? :eek: it was a redlight run by .01x or so, but still, that's FLYIN'! ended up he placed 5th standing on a time from saturday on one side and a high 28 on the other side. this after being DFL after saturday. talk about someone to look out for. he was the only fwd car that was even in the same neighborhood as corey and billy.
nate
btw, congrats to billy! some awesome drivin' between you and corey
| trojan9x | 06-07-2004 12:14 PM |
jeff is a very good, yet inconsistant driver. He has kick ass times yet he gets sloppy and he knows it. When he throws down the clean runs though, he is very fast in his celica.
| Watkinsm3 | 06-07-2004 12:19 PM |
Yeah Nate... Jeff is REALLY fast when he's not hitting cones... check out the Last years results in Topeka... I think he would have been 5th or 6th if he hadn't coned away his runs.
If I hadn't coned my first right side run on sunday I would have been in 3rd overall (right behind Larry Fine)... if I hadn't redlighted my second right side rund? Who knows!!!!!
Next time...
-Matt
If I hadn't coned my first right side run on sunday I would have been in 3rd overall (right behind Larry Fine)... if I hadn't redlighted my second right side rund? Who knows!!!!!
Next time...
-Matt
| FSelekler | 06-07-2004 12:49 PM |
I was mentioning this someone at the event: on paper what we do is ridiculous. We are at the event 8 to 13 hours a day for two days, work roughly 1 hour each day rain or shine, we abuse our cars, spend $thousands on modifications to gain 0.5-sec advantage and we run for ~ 6 mins total. And we pay [u][b]THEM $70[/b][/u] for all this?!?!?!?!? Quite illogical it may seem :)
But I would not have changed anything. I haven't had this much fun in a very long time in the car with the pants on. Wonderful event and format.
Matt, Burak, Serkan, Mr. Fine, and the Kozlak family has great battles for sure both days. I could see the frustration in Matt's face, he had the potential to do much better, but sometimes the cones do not cooperate. Next time Matt.
I think though Burak and Mr. Fine were too good to catch in AS this weekend. Awesome drivers; intuitive and experienced; a pleasure to watch them go through cones as they do.
Karen, thank you very much for all your support throughout the weekend and it was great meeting you. Hope to see you in the next one. (umm... I think the STi and Evo do belong in ESP btw :devil: )
Erik was awesome as well. If he hadn't coned in his last run, I'd be 5th and he'd be 4th instead. But he got even better consolation price by winning the Bonus Challenge, we were collectively jumping up and down, and I think that went for about 30 mins, at least until we had no more strength to jump :lol:
For us, its been a perfect weekend frankly; and would not have changed anything.
[img]http://members.roadfly.org/flyingtoaster/ProSolo_1_700.jpg[/img]
But I would not have changed anything. I haven't had this much fun in a very long time in the car with the pants on. Wonderful event and format.
Matt, Burak, Serkan, Mr. Fine, and the Kozlak family has great battles for sure both days. I could see the frustration in Matt's face, he had the potential to do much better, but sometimes the cones do not cooperate. Next time Matt.
I think though Burak and Mr. Fine were too good to catch in AS this weekend. Awesome drivers; intuitive and experienced; a pleasure to watch them go through cones as they do.
Karen, thank you very much for all your support throughout the weekend and it was great meeting you. Hope to see you in the next one. (umm... I think the STi and Evo do belong in ESP btw :devil: )
Erik was awesome as well. If he hadn't coned in his last run, I'd be 5th and he'd be 4th instead. But he got even better consolation price by winning the Bonus Challenge, we were collectively jumping up and down, and I think that went for about 30 mins, at least until we had no more strength to jump :lol:
For us, its been a perfect weekend frankly; and would not have changed anything.
[img]http://members.roadfly.org/flyingtoaster/ProSolo_1_700.jpg[/img]
| EHK | 06-08-2004 10:10 PM |
talk about 180's
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My event was quite strange. Of course, I registered a 1990 Pontiac Firebird but since Fred Flintstoneing the engine-less car off a ProSolo start is not exactly the winning setup, I hoped a new ride. Matt was super kind enough to allow me a second weekend of racing his AS STi, in ESP at the Pro though to get points.
My event went like this:
3rd Sat. morn.
4th Sun. morn
7th final
Last cone, last turn, last run, it cost me a 1.1 sec. improvement. But while waiting in impound, feeling quite silly for hitting that cone, Fatih said I could run his car in the Bonus Challenge if my name was drawn. Well it came up 6th of 8 drawn and I grabbed my helmet and his STi. My first run went ok, I acclimated to the car quickly as it's setup is similar to my RS (a bit more power though). At the finish chicane I let it oversteer just a bit too much coming in and had to almost park it to avoid the cone wall. Coming back up to the line I knew what it would take, a mistake free run and a bobble on the other course. I got both and ran the remaining runs mistake free and took the win! What a rush, and a total 180 in outcome for me.
Thank you to Matt and Fatih, two awesome Scooby drivers. Thanks to everyone else there cheering me on, I really appreciate it and I was totally pumped after those runs, ProSolo adrenaline is awesome!
And Way To Go Scooby Drivers! I think Subaru should be real proud of how well all the drivers competed in such a big variety of classes. Congrats to everyone.
And, what a freaking cool burn out by Dr. Eric Strelnicks after winning the Open Challenge! That guy and his Vette rock for doing that, it was yet another awesome 180 to close out the DC Pro.
Eric
My event went like this:
3rd Sat. morn.
4th Sun. morn
7th final
Last cone, last turn, last run, it cost me a 1.1 sec. improvement. But while waiting in impound, feeling quite silly for hitting that cone, Fatih said I could run his car in the Bonus Challenge if my name was drawn. Well it came up 6th of 8 drawn and I grabbed my helmet and his STi. My first run went ok, I acclimated to the car quickly as it's setup is similar to my RS (a bit more power though). At the finish chicane I let it oversteer just a bit too much coming in and had to almost park it to avoid the cone wall. Coming back up to the line I knew what it would take, a mistake free run and a bobble on the other course. I got both and ran the remaining runs mistake free and took the win! What a rush, and a total 180 in outcome for me.
Thank you to Matt and Fatih, two awesome Scooby drivers. Thanks to everyone else there cheering me on, I really appreciate it and I was totally pumped after those runs, ProSolo adrenaline is awesome!
And Way To Go Scooby Drivers! I think Subaru should be real proud of how well all the drivers competed in such a big variety of classes. Congrats to everyone.
And, what a freaking cool burn out by Dr. Eric Strelnicks after winning the Open Challenge! That guy and his Vette rock for doing that, it was yet another awesome 180 to close out the DC Pro.
Eric
| Watkinsm3 | 06-08-2004 10:18 PM |
Any time Eric... Remember, if you get bored of ESP I could use you as a co-driver in Topeka! :)
-Matt
-Matt
| jcroy66 | 06-09-2004 07:43 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EHK[/i]
[B] And, what a freaking cool burn out by Dr. Eric Strelnicks after winning the Open Challenge! That guy and his Vette rock for doing that, it was yet another awesome 180 to close out the DC Pro. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, I'd like to discourage anyone from considering doing a burnout. Considering it is a safety concern, doing it could get you disqualified... :(
[B] And, what a freaking cool burn out by Dr. Eric Strelnicks after winning the Open Challenge! That guy and his Vette rock for doing that, it was yet another awesome 180 to close out the DC Pro. [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually, I'd like to discourage anyone from considering doing a burnout. Considering it is a safety concern, doing it could get you disqualified... :(
| jbrennen | 06-09-2004 08:33 AM |
Re: talk about 180's
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EHK [/i]
[B]And, what a freaking cool burn out by [u]Dr.[/u] Eric Strelnicks after winning the Open Challenge![/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jcroy66 [/i]
[B]Actually, I'd like to discourage anyone from considering doing a burnout. Considering it is a [u]safety concern[/u], doing it could get you disqualified... :( [/B][/QUOTE]
Hmmm... Can we excuse him, after all, there was a doctor there aware of what was going on? ;)
[B]And, what a freaking cool burn out by [u]Dr.[/u] Eric Strelnicks after winning the Open Challenge![/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jcroy66 [/i]
[B]Actually, I'd like to discourage anyone from considering doing a burnout. Considering it is a [u]safety concern[/u], doing it could get you disqualified... :( [/B][/QUOTE]
Hmmm... Can we excuse him, after all, there was a doctor there aware of what was going on? ;)
| trhoppe | 06-09-2004 01:01 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jcroy66[/i]
[B] Actually, I'd like to discourage anyone from considering doing a burnout. Considering it is a safety concern, doing it could get you disqualified... :( [/B][/QUOTE]
have you ever been to a Pro? It was AFTER the event AFTER winning the whole thing. There is no safety concern ;)
Anyone want to offer up their STi for a ESP codriver in Toledo? One that will win the class?
-Tom
[B] Actually, I'd like to discourage anyone from considering doing a burnout. Considering it is a safety concern, doing it could get you disqualified... :( [/B][/QUOTE]
have you ever been to a Pro? It was AFTER the event AFTER winning the whole thing. There is no safety concern ;)
Anyone want to offer up their STi for a ESP codriver in Toledo? One that will win the class?
-Tom
| DrBiggly | 06-09-2004 01:08 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe[/i]
[B] You switching teams to ESP on us? :confused: Or do you want to just go tick off the Camaro/Mustang owners? :lol:
Anyone want to offer up their STi for a ESP codriver in Toledo? One that will win the class?
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
[B] You switching teams to ESP on us? :confused: Or do you want to just go tick off the Camaro/Mustang owners? :lol:
Anyone want to offer up their STi for a ESP codriver in Toledo? One that will win the class?
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
| trhoppe | 06-09-2004 01:11 PM |
:lol: There is a much darker plot behind it.
Mikey told me on the phone yesterday "If I catch an ESP ride, I won't run STX" which = STX win for me w/o having to worry about mikey ;)
-Tom
Mikey told me on the phone yesterday "If I catch an ESP ride, I won't run STX" which = STX win for me w/o having to worry about mikey ;)
-Tom
| DrBiggly | 06-09-2004 01:15 PM |
Ooooh....I see. Now I just don't understand Mike wanting to switch teams with the level of car prep he has for the other class... :confused: Ah well. :)
Oh, check your PMs please. :)
Oh, check your PMs please. :)
| trhoppe | 06-09-2004 01:21 PM |
He already has all the points you need for STX ProSolo, so he doesn't *need* any more events. I haven't been to any prosolos that counted yet this year ;)
-Tom
-Tom
| KC | 06-09-2004 01:36 PM |
Mike... $25 for you to go to Toledo and 'block' Tom.
--kC
--kC
| PhilC | 06-09-2004 01:39 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe[/i]
[B] have you ever been to a Pro? It was AFTER the event AFTER winning the whole thing. There is no safety concern ;)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Jen and I haven't yet been to a Pro, this weekend will be our first. But that matters not a bit. It was at a SCCA sanctioned and insured event and that makes it a Solo safety concern. I know National events like a Pro or a Tour are often treated differently than normal local events from a safety standpoint and they shouldn't be. It sounds though like some of the safety concerns brought up about the DC Pro (and there were several other major concerns raised besides the burnout) were caused by the people who were supposed to be the acting safety stewards. The burnout, from what has been described, was a clear safety violation and the competitor should have been disqualified, after the event or not.
Jen and I are both safety stewards and have both volunteered to work safety at this weekend's Pro and next weekend's Tour but I am honestly not sure I want to be associated with the safety of an event that is run the way we've heard the DC Pro was run. I personally don't like being a safety nazi but if there is something that is blatantly unsafe going on it would be my responsibility, if I were acting or event safety steward, to stop it. If it comes down to it the event sanction would get pulled as a last resort, because the SCCA can't afford to have a severe safety incident that could have and should have been avoided.
[B] have you ever been to a Pro? It was AFTER the event AFTER winning the whole thing. There is no safety concern ;)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Jen and I haven't yet been to a Pro, this weekend will be our first. But that matters not a bit. It was at a SCCA sanctioned and insured event and that makes it a Solo safety concern. I know National events like a Pro or a Tour are often treated differently than normal local events from a safety standpoint and they shouldn't be. It sounds though like some of the safety concerns brought up about the DC Pro (and there were several other major concerns raised besides the burnout) were caused by the people who were supposed to be the acting safety stewards. The burnout, from what has been described, was a clear safety violation and the competitor should have been disqualified, after the event or not.
Jen and I are both safety stewards and have both volunteered to work safety at this weekend's Pro and next weekend's Tour but I am honestly not sure I want to be associated with the safety of an event that is run the way we've heard the DC Pro was run. I personally don't like being a safety nazi but if there is something that is blatantly unsafe going on it would be my responsibility, if I were acting or event safety steward, to stop it. If it comes down to it the event sanction would get pulled as a last resort, because the SCCA can't afford to have a severe safety incident that could have and should have been avoided.
| Burnout | 06-09-2004 01:55 PM |
Me thinks that if one can win the challenge then they can handle a burnout. <- I know that's not the point but it makes sense, that might be a reason why no one said anything. Most of all people that go to solo are pretty experienced and know how to handle them self's and there limits. If it was a new club with allot of novices then it would be a totally different story.
I do agree with you though, the best way to prevent incidents is to stop them before they happen.
I do agree with you though, the best way to prevent incidents is to stop them before they happen.
| Fred | 06-09-2004 02:15 PM |
Let's not turn this thread into a bunch of safety-nazi crap, ok? I don't remember hearing of any injuries to people or cars, so please let it go.
Kevin
-who thinks that working station 1 while a shifter kart is going by at 1 million mph on each side of me is a lot more dangerous than somebody doing a burnout at the finish. :p
Kevin
-who thinks that working station 1 while a shifter kart is going by at 1 million mph on each side of me is a lot more dangerous than somebody doing a burnout at the finish. :p
| dadswrx | 06-09-2004 02:30 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred [/i]
[B]Let's not turn this thread into a bunch of safety-nazi crap, ok? I don't remember hearing of any injuries to people or cars, so please let it go.
[/B][/QUOTE]
I agree, there is no sense arguing about this with PhilC because he is absolutely correct. Let's move on.
Mike
02 WRX Wagon
[B]Let's not turn this thread into a bunch of safety-nazi crap, ok? I don't remember hearing of any injuries to people or cars, so please let it go.
[/B][/QUOTE]
I agree, there is no sense arguing about this with PhilC because he is absolutely correct. Let's move on.
Mike
02 WRX Wagon
| 10th Warrior | 06-09-2004 03:08 PM |
[quote]Jen and I are both safety stewards and have both volunteered to work safety at this weekend's Pro and next weekend's Tour but I am honestly not sure I want to be associated with the safety of an event that is run the way we've heard the DC Pro was run.[/quote]
whew! good thing i can't do a burnout when (hehehe, yeah right) i win the Challenge :lol:
whew! good thing i can't do a burnout when (hehehe, yeah right) i win the Challenge :lol:
| CamaroFS34 | 06-09-2004 05:26 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PhilC [/i]
[B]It sounds though like some of the safety concerns brought up about the DC Pro (and there were several other major concerns raised besides the burnout) were caused by the people who were supposed to be the acting safety stewards.[/b][/quote]
Okay, first off, I was working radio during the Challenge, and Strelnieks was kind of egged on by the announcer, Ron Bauer, who was trying to get Erik to do some sliding on course (this is not condoning what Erik did, by any means). Strelnieks, obviously, decided to do the Zanardi-style donut after the finish instead. When the burnout started, I could see Tasha Goodale in the timing truck (remember, I was doing radio, so I was sitting in the chair right next to the truck's window), and she was grimacing big time. I'm sure something was said to the good doctor. The event chair, AI President Mike Neary, was also not happy at all about the incident, so even if Tasha didn't say something, I'm sure Mike did, to Erik, if not to Tasha too.
Secondly, can I say how much I despise people who [b][i]weren't there[/i][/b] second guessing what went on at the event? If you weren't there, all you have to go on is [i]hearsay[/i] from people who were. I know there are several people in this thread (Fatih, EricK, Kevin (aka Fred), Billy, Corey, etc.) and on this forum who [i]were[/i] there, and no one's jumping in saying how unsafe something was, so already, I'm wondering where you got this "information."
Are you saying something about Kevin Youngers and his near mishap with Telehowski? Hell, if [i]anyone[/i] should be kevtching about that, it should be [i]me[/i], since [i]I[/i] would have been the one out of a ride had Kevin made contact with the Miata!
Are you saying something about the jersey barriers along the back half of the right side course? Well, guess what, they were more than far enough according to SIIR guidelines.
Are you saying something about people crossing the finishing line on the right out of shape and people blundering their way to impound suddenly realizing there was a car bearing down on them? I can't tell you how many times I saw people getting yelled out because they were not aware of their surroundings, especially there, and I have no clue why they were wandering in that particular area. Hell, they'd [i]run[/i] the course already, they [i]knew[/i] cars were coming through there.
Things at the DC ProSolo were no better and certainly no worse than 99% of events I've been to. If you feel you know something that people who were [i]at the event[/i] don't know, please, by all means, share it with us. I'm sure we'd all like to be enlightened with your omniscient safety prowess.
Karen
[i]seen one too many "ghost" safety stewards[/i]
[B]It sounds though like some of the safety concerns brought up about the DC Pro (and there were several other major concerns raised besides the burnout) were caused by the people who were supposed to be the acting safety stewards.[/b][/quote]
Okay, first off, I was working radio during the Challenge, and Strelnieks was kind of egged on by the announcer, Ron Bauer, who was trying to get Erik to do some sliding on course (this is not condoning what Erik did, by any means). Strelnieks, obviously, decided to do the Zanardi-style donut after the finish instead. When the burnout started, I could see Tasha Goodale in the timing truck (remember, I was doing radio, so I was sitting in the chair right next to the truck's window), and she was grimacing big time. I'm sure something was said to the good doctor. The event chair, AI President Mike Neary, was also not happy at all about the incident, so even if Tasha didn't say something, I'm sure Mike did, to Erik, if not to Tasha too.
Secondly, can I say how much I despise people who [b][i]weren't there[/i][/b] second guessing what went on at the event? If you weren't there, all you have to go on is [i]hearsay[/i] from people who were. I know there are several people in this thread (Fatih, EricK, Kevin (aka Fred), Billy, Corey, etc.) and on this forum who [i]were[/i] there, and no one's jumping in saying how unsafe something was, so already, I'm wondering where you got this "information."
Are you saying something about Kevin Youngers and his near mishap with Telehowski? Hell, if [i]anyone[/i] should be kevtching about that, it should be [i]me[/i], since [i]I[/i] would have been the one out of a ride had Kevin made contact with the Miata!
Are you saying something about the jersey barriers along the back half of the right side course? Well, guess what, they were more than far enough according to SIIR guidelines.
Are you saying something about people crossing the finishing line on the right out of shape and people blundering their way to impound suddenly realizing there was a car bearing down on them? I can't tell you how many times I saw people getting yelled out because they were not aware of their surroundings, especially there, and I have no clue why they were wandering in that particular area. Hell, they'd [i]run[/i] the course already, they [i]knew[/i] cars were coming through there.
Things at the DC ProSolo were no better and certainly no worse than 99% of events I've been to. If you feel you know something that people who were [i]at the event[/i] don't know, please, by all means, share it with us. I'm sure we'd all like to be enlightened with your omniscient safety prowess.
Karen
[i]seen one too many "ghost" safety stewards[/i]
| PhilC | 06-09-2004 05:58 PM |
Look, I didn't want to set off any rants or piss anyone off. The burnout was a safety problem that I think anyone should recognize. As for the other issues they apparantly involved an acting safety steward having a very young child in hot grid not anything else that you mentioned. And the issues with this event in particular have been raised on the solo safety steward mailing list which is where my information is coming from. The only reason I mentioned anything on the board is the cavalier attitude that seems to be demonstrated regarding safety at the larger events by many people.
I'm sorry you feel that my comments represented "ghost" safety, my intention was to remind that safety should always be the top priority at any event even a Pro or Tour. Unfortunately by making the reminder I think I often end up sounding like I'm harping, criticizing or being a nazi which was not my intention. Unfortunately my tendancy to view silence as condoning something caused me to speak out about it and I shouldn't have brought it up in this forum.
I'll just send out my congratulations to the winners and hope to finally meet some of you this weekend in Toledo where I expect you'll all stomp me on course.
I'm sorry you feel that my comments represented "ghost" safety, my intention was to remind that safety should always be the top priority at any event even a Pro or Tour. Unfortunately by making the reminder I think I often end up sounding like I'm harping, criticizing or being a nazi which was not my intention. Unfortunately my tendancy to view silence as condoning something caused me to speak out about it and I shouldn't have brought it up in this forum.
I'll just send out my congratulations to the winners and hope to finally meet some of you this weekend in Toledo where I expect you'll all stomp me on course.
| zoomfactor | 06-09-2004 08:51 PM |
Thank you PhilC:)
I wasn't at the event so I won't comment on specific items based on heresay.
I will make a general comment because I feel I have a vested interest as an SCCA member and motorsports freak. Bad news travels like wildfire and in case anyone isn't paying attention we are losing venues because of many issues -- not the least of which is liability concerns. Contemplate for one moment what would happen if there was serious problem at a National SCCA-sanctioned event.
[sarcasm on] The way PhilC's comment was responded to, you would have thought that he suggested or condoned that you knowingly run your car in the wrong class -- which certainly has no safety implications
:rolleyes: [sarcasm off]
Why is safety such hot button for everyone?
Respectfully submitted by a slowass Florida local,
John Driscoll
I wasn't at the event so I won't comment on specific items based on heresay.
I will make a general comment because I feel I have a vested interest as an SCCA member and motorsports freak. Bad news travels like wildfire and in case anyone isn't paying attention we are losing venues because of many issues -- not the least of which is liability concerns. Contemplate for one moment what would happen if there was serious problem at a National SCCA-sanctioned event.
[sarcasm on] The way PhilC's comment was responded to, you would have thought that he suggested or condoned that you knowingly run your car in the wrong class -- which certainly has no safety implications
:rolleyes: [sarcasm off]
Why is safety such hot button for everyone?
Respectfully submitted by a slowass Florida local,
John Driscoll
| CamaroFS34 | 06-10-2004 05:59 AM |
Why did I respond the way I did? Simple -- this is not the first, second, third, etc. time that I've seen people who were not at the event start picking things apart and basically insinuating that the safety of the event is less than par.
If the [i]only[/i] thing that PhilC was remarking on was the safety steward who [i]persistently[/i] brings his children into hot grid (and often lets them ride bicycles there as well), then he should have said so, instead of the cryptic :
[quote]It sounds though like some of the safety concerns brought up about the DC Pro (and there were several other major concerns raised besides the burnout) were caused by the people who were supposed to be the acting safety stewards.[/quote]
That could have meant any number of things that did or did not occur.
Yes, safety is a huge concern. [i]Please[/i] do not take me wrong on that. But have you lost a site based on hearsay from locals about what is going on at the site? Have you lost a site because the locals blow the noise levels out of proportion? There are plenty of events around the country where the allowable decibel rating is barely conversational level because those who insisted on it (the community) doesn't understand what they are asking, and have overestimated the quietness of normal, everyday activities.
If people who weren't at the event get wind of "issues," and then spread those "issues" on to someone else who wasn't at the event, you may as well play that little rumour game, where you don't even recognize the original statement when it gets back to you, it gets warped so badly. And, as those outside the sport get wind of the warped safety "issues," then we start to have problems getting and retaining sites because of the misperceptions. [i]That[/i] is what I've [i]seen[/i], and why I'm concerned.
No hard feelings?
Karen
If the [i]only[/i] thing that PhilC was remarking on was the safety steward who [i]persistently[/i] brings his children into hot grid (and often lets them ride bicycles there as well), then he should have said so, instead of the cryptic :
[quote]It sounds though like some of the safety concerns brought up about the DC Pro (and there were several other major concerns raised besides the burnout) were caused by the people who were supposed to be the acting safety stewards.[/quote]
That could have meant any number of things that did or did not occur.
Yes, safety is a huge concern. [i]Please[/i] do not take me wrong on that. But have you lost a site based on hearsay from locals about what is going on at the site? Have you lost a site because the locals blow the noise levels out of proportion? There are plenty of events around the country where the allowable decibel rating is barely conversational level because those who insisted on it (the community) doesn't understand what they are asking, and have overestimated the quietness of normal, everyday activities.
If people who weren't at the event get wind of "issues," and then spread those "issues" on to someone else who wasn't at the event, you may as well play that little rumour game, where you don't even recognize the original statement when it gets back to you, it gets warped so badly. And, as those outside the sport get wind of the warped safety "issues," then we start to have problems getting and retaining sites because of the misperceptions. [i]That[/i] is what I've [i]seen[/i], and why I'm concerned.
No hard feelings?
Karen
| trhoppe | 06-10-2004 09:46 AM |
Karen > philC ;) :lol:
-Tom
-Tom
| zoomfactor | 06-10-2004 10:27 AM |
STi[B]ESP[/B]34 >CamaroFS34:D
(Karen needs a new car:lol:))
(Karen needs a new car:lol:))
| jcroy66 | 06-10-2004 10:54 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe[/i]
[B] Karen > philC ;) :lol:[/B][/QUOTE]
Oh wow. That seems uncalled for and rather rude, actually. :eek:
Sheesh, and I'd actually been looking forward to meeting some more of the NASIOC crew at the ProSolo this weekend... :huh:
[B] Karen > philC ;) :lol:[/B][/QUOTE]
Oh wow. That seems uncalled for and rather rude, actually. :eek:
Sheesh, and I'd actually been looking forward to meeting some more of the NASIOC crew at the ProSolo this weekend... :huh:
| Midnight_Gold | 06-10-2004 11:08 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jcroy66 [/i]
[B]Oh wow. That seems uncalled for and rather rude, actually. :eek:
Sheesh, and I'd actually been looking forward to meeting some more of the NASIOC crew at the ProSolo this weekend... :huh: [/B][/QUOTE] '
Don't mind Tom... he can't help himself... :rolleyes:
Seriously though... coming from Atlanta (one stupidly crowded region), I have almost been run over by cars coming off course, have seen cars run into walls that were plenty far off course, etc etc..
Stupidity will get you in more trouble than any burnout I have ever witnessed.. but since I wasn't there.. I dunno how bad it really was. During my last donut, the most dangerous thing was the noxious fumes from my quick burning tires.. yuck!
Though, I must say.... that all this arguing [i]was[/i] rather entertaining...
Carry on..
- Miranda (slowtard in teh black STi)
[B]Oh wow. That seems uncalled for and rather rude, actually. :eek:
Sheesh, and I'd actually been looking forward to meeting some more of the NASIOC crew at the ProSolo this weekend... :huh: [/B][/QUOTE] '
Don't mind Tom... he can't help himself... :rolleyes:
Seriously though... coming from Atlanta (one stupidly crowded region), I have almost been run over by cars coming off course, have seen cars run into walls that were plenty far off course, etc etc..
Stupidity will get you in more trouble than any burnout I have ever witnessed.. but since I wasn't there.. I dunno how bad it really was. During my last donut, the most dangerous thing was the noxious fumes from my quick burning tires.. yuck!
Though, I must say.... that all this arguing [i]was[/i] rather entertaining...
Carry on..
- Miranda (slowtard in teh black STi)
| trhoppe | 06-10-2004 11:41 AM |
looks like you missed the ;) which was followed by the :lol:
That = joke imho
-Tom
That = joke imho
-Tom
| webefine | 06-10-2004 02:02 PM |
I hate for you all to speculate, so here are the facts:
Front: 275/40 - 17 Victo racers with 43 psi
Rear: 245/45 - 17 Victo racers with 43 psi and a little toe out. This weekends event is on cement, with a littel better grip so we will take the toe out and pump the rear psi up to 55. At least that's what we plan, we'll have to see how it works (Toledo here we come).
Ah the beauty of AWD and 12+ runs!
Kim
Front: 275/40 - 17 Victo racers with 43 psi
Rear: 245/45 - 17 Victo racers with 43 psi and a little toe out. This weekends event is on cement, with a littel better grip so we will take the toe out and pump the rear psi up to 55. At least that's what we plan, we'll have to see how it works (Toledo here we come).
Ah the beauty of AWD and 12+ runs!
Kim
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