| Autox5 | 03-02-2002 10:14 PM |
Barrichello's Fault!!
He pulled right in front of Ralf. Ralf had an outside line, rubens didnt stay inside. Where's the red flag?
| ForceFed4 | 03-02-2002 10:26 PM |
No no no!
Rubens was in the lead, he doesn't/didn't have to yeild to Ralph!
He pulled to the outside to take the proper line for turn 1; Ralph just wasn't paying attention and ran right into him, clearly Ralph's fault... very surprised at no red flag, either way.
He pulled to the outside to take the proper line for turn 1; Ralph just wasn't paying attention and ran right into him, clearly Ralph's fault... very surprised at no red flag, either way.
| johnfelstead | 03-02-2002 10:27 PM |
it wasnt his fault, it was a case of ralf not braking when rubens did, simple.
They are allowed to change direction at the start, michael did that all last year.
They are allowed to change direction at the start, michael did that all last year.
| rsquire | 03-03-2002 12:38 AM |
Typical Schumacher bros........ :mad:
They just think they have the right to drive over the top of everyone :rolleyes:
Damn Panzers thought the same on their way through France :rolleyes: :lol:
They just think they have the right to drive over the top of everyone :rolleyes:
Damn Panzers thought the same on their way through France :rolleyes: :lol:
| rsquire | 03-03-2002 12:42 AM |
[quote]They are allowed to change direction at the start, michael did that all last year.[/quote]
Yeah and then bitches like hell when others move over to take the line for the first corner :rolleyes:
he really is the most arrogant driver in F1 EVER!!!! and IMHO not the greatest driver. yeah yeah statistics!! :rolleyes:
just remember there are lies , damn lies and then statsitics :p
Yeah and then bitches like hell when others move over to take the line for the first corner :rolleyes:
he really is the most arrogant driver in F1 EVER!!!! and IMHO not the greatest driver. yeah yeah statistics!! :rolleyes:
just remember there are lies , damn lies and then statsitics :p
| richeich | 03-03-2002 12:49 AM |
Of course it was Ralf's fault... the Ferrari's are running brake lights!:lol:
| OnTheGas | 03-03-2002 01:09 AM |
Wonna Dem Racin' Deals!
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
it wasnt his fault, it was a case of ralf not braking when rubens did, simple.
They are allowed to change direction at the start...[/QUOTE]That's the way I saw it also. Over in the US stock car garages, they would have a dissappointed look in their eyes, and say, "...jus' wonna dem racin' deals," and shrug their shoulders, and turn away...
it wasnt his fault, it was a case of ralf not braking when rubens did, simple.
They are allowed to change direction at the start...[/QUOTE]That's the way I saw it also. Over in the US stock car garages, they would have a dissappointed look in their eyes, and say, "...jus' wonna dem racin' deals," and shrug their shoulders, and turn away...
| Sauceboy01 | 03-03-2002 01:37 AM |
I think Rubens should have stayed his line, he would have taken the corner still in the lead.. He tried to hard to seal the pole, to early, and took Ralph with him.. Oh well... That's racing for you.
| rsquire | 03-03-2002 02:01 AM |
[quote] He tried to hard to seal the pole, to early, and took Ralph with him[/quote]
Sorry but Rubens was on pole and Ralf drove all over the back of his car..
Doh... Were we watching different races :lol:
Sorry but Rubens was on pole and Ralf drove all over the back of his car..
Doh... Were we watching different races :lol:
| sirfrankwilliams | 03-03-2002 02:17 AM |
That was some flying on Ralf's part ! I think the only F1 flight that was more spectacular was Patrasse's launch off of Berger a few years back in Portugal. But I think today's flght beat that one in distance. If Ralf had done it in Monaco he would have ended up in someone's apartment.
The whole thing reminded me of Lil'Schu's first year in F1 where he had lots of balls, but not a lot wisdom. Patience wee Schumacher, patience.
The whole thing reminded me of Lil'Schu's first year in F1 where he had lots of balls, but not a lot wisdom. Patience wee Schumacher, patience.
| pio!pio! | 03-03-2002 02:35 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sirfrankwilliams [/i]
[B]But I think today's flght beat that one in distance. If Ralf had done it in Monaco he would have ended up in someone's apartment.
[/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:
[B]But I think today's flght beat that one in distance. If Ralf had done it in Monaco he would have ended up in someone's apartment.
[/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol:
| ZFEVER | 03-03-2002 03:06 AM |
Facts:
1. Ralph held his line.
2. Ruebens was all over the place.
That said, they were both at fault; neither wanted to yield. Then again... it was the start.... very hectic times. Ruebens may have never seen Ralph. No one is to blame. Thats racing, and it is unfortunate for both drivers. As for the rest of that big wreck at the start, was that a Sauber that slammed into Giancarlo, effectivly causign that huge pile up?
Way to Go JPM! (for not crashing into the fray!)
my prediction from yesterday:
1. MS
2. JPM
3. RB
I was 2 for 3!:) :) :)
1. Ralph held his line.
2. Ruebens was all over the place.
That said, they were both at fault; neither wanted to yield. Then again... it was the start.... very hectic times. Ruebens may have never seen Ralph. No one is to blame. Thats racing, and it is unfortunate for both drivers. As for the rest of that big wreck at the start, was that a Sauber that slammed into Giancarlo, effectivly causign that huge pile up?
Way to Go JPM! (for not crashing into the fray!)
my prediction from yesterday:
1. MS
2. JPM
3. RB
I was 2 for 3!:) :) :)
| ChrisW | 03-03-2002 10:22 AM |
Ruebens had the line to the first corner.
ralf'y boy screwed up way before he hit ruebens.... In fact I think if he had not hit Ruebens Ferrari, he would have hit the gravel trap.
his in car footage was insane!!! All I could think of where is the horizon?!?!?
ralf'y boy screwed up way before he hit ruebens.... In fact I think if he had not hit Ruebens Ferrari, he would have hit the gravel trap.
his in car footage was insane!!! All I could think of where is the horizon?!?!?
| JoegoWRX | 03-03-2002 10:37 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisW [/i]
[B]
his in car footage was insane!!! All I could think of where is the horizon?!?!? [/B][/QUOTE]
It looked like me when I delibrately hit the wall on the test track at 220 mph in GT3.
I think it was a case of Barrichello blocking Ralf's BMW because he knew he was out powered. Ralf got a great start and was out-accelerating the Ferrari to try to pass him in the first corner. Rubens was doing his best to block him and maybe braked too soon. It's going to be a good year for BMW.
BTW, I sent an email to Speed Channel complaining about the commentator Rick DeBruhl and all of the annoying Speed Channel commercials. Anyone else feel the same way?
[B]
his in car footage was insane!!! All I could think of where is the horizon?!?!? [/B][/QUOTE]
It looked like me when I delibrately hit the wall on the test track at 220 mph in GT3.
I think it was a case of Barrichello blocking Ralf's BMW because he knew he was out powered. Ralf got a great start and was out-accelerating the Ferrari to try to pass him in the first corner. Rubens was doing his best to block him and maybe braked too soon. It's going to be a good year for BMW.
BTW, I sent an email to Speed Channel complaining about the commentator Rick DeBruhl and all of the annoying Speed Channel commercials. Anyone else feel the same way?
| Bonzo | 03-03-2002 10:41 AM |
I think Ralphie got a little excited and forgot their was a corner comming up:rolleyes:
It ruined the race. Should have been a red flag. I wanted to see where McNish was going to end up.
It ruined the race. Should have been a red flag. I wanted to see where McNish was going to end up.
| Patrick Olsen | 03-03-2002 12:57 PM |
I concur that it was Ralf's fault. Reubens (Ruebens?) is allowed to make one blocking move, which he did. Ralf had better acceleration, and began to move to Barichello's right, at which point Barichello moved right to block him.
As they approached the corner, Barichello moved back to the left to get back on line [b]which he is totally allowed to do[/b]. Think about how Michael got past JPM later in the race - if Barichello had [i]not[/i] moved back to the left to get on the racing line, Ralf would have been able to execute the same type of move that his brother used later.
That's racing. Definitely sucked for poor Reubens, though.
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
As they approached the corner, Barichello moved back to the left to get back on line [b]which he is totally allowed to do[/b]. Think about how Michael got past JPM later in the race - if Barichello had [i]not[/i] moved back to the left to get on the racing line, Ralf would have been able to execute the same type of move that his brother used later.
That's racing. Definitely sucked for poor Reubens, though.
Pat Olsen
'97 Legacy 2.5GT sedan
| Bottom Feeder | 03-03-2002 01:12 PM |
[QUOTE]...complaining about the commentator Rick DeBruhl...[/QUOTE]
Anyone else hear him say something to the effect of "... and Michael Schumacher becomes the first winner of the [i]two thousand and TOOTH[/i] season!"
What the hell is that? Ebonics?
Anyone else hear him say something to the effect of "... and Michael Schumacher becomes the first winner of the [i]two thousand and TOOTH[/i] season!"
What the hell is that? Ebonics?
| gtguy | 03-03-2002 01:54 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by JoegoWRX [/i]
[B]BTW, I sent an email to Speed Channel complaining about the commentator Rick DeBruhl and all of the annoying Speed Channel commercials. Anyone else feel the same way? [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope. DeBruhl improved a great deal from qualifying to the actual race. Any number of times he set up Hobbs and Matchett perfectly for commentary on an aspect of the racing about which they had expertise, and there were countless times when they just sat there and let us listen to the cars. That NEVER happened with last year's team, unless Varsha pointedly said "Let's listen in."
Did he have mis-speaks and other faux pas? Yep. If he has as many as the revered Murray Walker, he'll probably be burned in effigy on i-Club. Posey mis-spoke with some regularity, as did all of the other announcers. It's a consequence of having to react to images out of your control. Get over it.
As far as DeBruhl's making comments that might offend you F1 old-timers, it is clear that Speed Channel is hoping that someone outside of the usual F1 crew might have tuned in, however accidentally, to the race. For those people, all of that basic information would have been immensely helpful. DeBruhl's rulebook citings were immensely helpful to me. They explained some situations I had always been wondering about. Last year's team would have simply speculated, or just talked right over it.
DeBruhl isn't worse, just different. I don't think it's a) reasonable to react negatively to change, or b) to lambast the man over a single broadcast, especially given his huge improvement from qualifying to race.
Back on topic, Rubens was doing what any driver would do...defending his line/position. He was in front, and had the right to brake whenever he wanted to. Ralf should have been paying closer attention, instead of driving with the red mist in his eyes. At the rate of speed Ralf was going, there was no way in hell he would have made that corner, on the racing line.
Kevin
[B]BTW, I sent an email to Speed Channel complaining about the commentator Rick DeBruhl and all of the annoying Speed Channel commercials. Anyone else feel the same way? [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope. DeBruhl improved a great deal from qualifying to the actual race. Any number of times he set up Hobbs and Matchett perfectly for commentary on an aspect of the racing about which they had expertise, and there were countless times when they just sat there and let us listen to the cars. That NEVER happened with last year's team, unless Varsha pointedly said "Let's listen in."
Did he have mis-speaks and other faux pas? Yep. If he has as many as the revered Murray Walker, he'll probably be burned in effigy on i-Club. Posey mis-spoke with some regularity, as did all of the other announcers. It's a consequence of having to react to images out of your control. Get over it.
As far as DeBruhl's making comments that might offend you F1 old-timers, it is clear that Speed Channel is hoping that someone outside of the usual F1 crew might have tuned in, however accidentally, to the race. For those people, all of that basic information would have been immensely helpful. DeBruhl's rulebook citings were immensely helpful to me. They explained some situations I had always been wondering about. Last year's team would have simply speculated, or just talked right over it.
DeBruhl isn't worse, just different. I don't think it's a) reasonable to react negatively to change, or b) to lambast the man over a single broadcast, especially given his huge improvement from qualifying to race.
Back on topic, Rubens was doing what any driver would do...defending his line/position. He was in front, and had the right to brake whenever he wanted to. Ralf should have been paying closer attention, instead of driving with the red mist in his eyes. At the rate of speed Ralf was going, there was no way in hell he would have made that corner, on the racing line.
Kevin
| ChrisDP | 03-03-2002 02:20 PM |
Way back when, Christian Fittipaldi had his own spectacular flight. I don't remember if he just got launched into the air or actually executed a full backflip since I think it was around the 92-93 seasons... I just remember thinking "WHOA!"
| johnfelstead | 03-03-2002 03:45 PM |
Fitipaldi was at Monza, he hit his team mate just before the finish line and went over the finish line upside down in the air. :lol:
He did a full 360 backflip and landed on his wheels (which then fell off! :lol: )
Watch the incar, as ruebens hit the brakes ralf upshifted. oops. No way was ralphy making that corner.
He did a full 360 backflip and landed on his wheels (which then fell off! :lol: )
Watch the incar, as ruebens hit the brakes ralf upshifted. oops. No way was ralphy making that corner.
| Rugged One | 03-03-2002 04:59 PM |
Ralph's Fault!
F1 is not drag racing. Rubens earned the pole. Why not let him have the first corner for safety sake. If Raplh has the skills and the car he can make passes during the race, I think there are 70 laps to do so. Michael suggested caution in the first turn. I guess Ralf was not listening. I enjoyed the race even after the pile up but I think we all missed out on a lot of good battles when many of the top cars were knocked out.
I think F1 should do something to keep from having these big pile ups at every event. Rolling starts?
Rugged One
I think F1 should do something to keep from having these big pile ups at every event. Rolling starts?
Rugged One
| pio!pio! | 03-03-2002 05:13 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]Watch the incar, as ruebens hit the brakes ralf upshifted. oops. No way was ralphy making that corner. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's VERY interesting..wish I had the race on tape
[B]Watch the incar, as ruebens hit the brakes ralf upshifted. oops. No way was ralphy making that corner. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's VERY interesting..wish I had the race on tape
| blaster88 | 03-03-2002 06:55 PM |
Consider this - hitting Barrichello and flying through the air SLOWED RS DOWN!
There is no way in the world he was going to make that corner. Slowed as he was, he crashed all the way through the gravel into the tirewall.
There is no way in the world he was going to make that corner. Slowed as he was, he crashed all the way through the gravel into the tirewall.
| johnfelstead | 03-03-2002 08:30 PM |
well thats the first time i have ever heard that the coeficient of friction of air is greater than that of tarmac. :lol:
I think you need to rethink that one blaster, they brake at 4G when they are on the ground you know! :D
I think you need to rethink that one blaster, they brake at 4G when they are on the ground you know! :D
| blaster88 | 03-03-2002 09:03 PM |
ceptin he wasn't on his brakes. He was on the gas.
He was headed straight off the tarmac.
He was headed straight off the tarmac.
| J Colman | 03-03-2002 09:21 PM |
Let's not argue such trivialities boys, Michael won after all, shouldn't that be the only matter of conversation. Did I mention he is the greatest of all time. :p
| rsquire | 03-04-2002 02:28 AM |
[quote] Did I mention he is the greatest of all time[/quote]
Errrm I maybe stupid here but how the feck can he be when he's only won 4 world championships??????????????
When Fangio has won 5 :confused:
Come on people he's pretty much okay as a driver but let's get real he ain't the greatest :rolleyes:
Besides he ain't the best in the wet that was Senna :p
Errrm I maybe stupid here but how the feck can he be when he's only won 4 world championships??????????????
When Fangio has won 5 :confused:
Come on people he's pretty much okay as a driver but let's get real he ain't the greatest :rolleyes:
Besides he ain't the best in the wet that was Senna :p
| gtguy | 03-04-2002 08:54 AM |
Well johnfelstead, Ralfie was at quite an acute angle to the air, working much like an airplane's flap would in the down position. :lol: :lol:
I agree that Schumacher (Michael) isn't the greatest of all time, but he's right up there. He was fast in the techno era, fast in the no driver aids era (the Benetton years were like cheating, he was so good), and is fast now. At some point, it has to be driver skill.
I'll never forget that race at Spa(?) when he ran into Coulthard, and drove back to the pits on three wheels. He actually passed someone who was going at race pace! :eek:
Head to head comparisons between Schumacher, Senna and Fangio are pointless, because they all drove different cars in different eras. The closest we came to seeing Schumacher and Senna knock heads was a season marred by tragedy.
Even if Schumacher wins his fifth driver's title this season, people will still find something to dislike about the guy. He's that kind of driver, unfortunately. If he had Rubens' charm and disposition, he would be even more popular than he is.
Kevin
I agree that Schumacher (Michael) isn't the greatest of all time, but he's right up there. He was fast in the techno era, fast in the no driver aids era (the Benetton years were like cheating, he was so good), and is fast now. At some point, it has to be driver skill.
I'll never forget that race at Spa(?) when he ran into Coulthard, and drove back to the pits on three wheels. He actually passed someone who was going at race pace! :eek:
Head to head comparisons between Schumacher, Senna and Fangio are pointless, because they all drove different cars in different eras. The closest we came to seeing Schumacher and Senna knock heads was a season marred by tragedy.
Even if Schumacher wins his fifth driver's title this season, people will still find something to dislike about the guy. He's that kind of driver, unfortunately. If he had Rubens' charm and disposition, he would be even more popular than he is.
Kevin
| johnfelstead | 03-04-2002 09:04 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by blaster88 [/i]
[B]ceptin he wasn't on his brakes. He was on the gas.
He was headed straight off the tarmac. [/B][/QUOTE]
The point i am making is that if he didnt hit RB he would have slowed a damn sight more than the speed he took into the gravel trap. He would still have gone off i think but only by a few metres.
Flying through the air didnt take any speed off, if he was on the ground he would have been decelerating at 4G.
[B]ceptin he wasn't on his brakes. He was on the gas.
He was headed straight off the tarmac. [/B][/QUOTE]
The point i am making is that if he didnt hit RB he would have slowed a damn sight more than the speed he took into the gravel trap. He would still have gone off i think but only by a few metres.
Flying through the air didnt take any speed off, if he was on the ground he would have been decelerating at 4G.
| johnfelstead | 03-04-2002 09:08 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]
I'll never forget that race at Spa(?) when he ran into Coulthard, and drove back to the pits on three wheels. He actually passed someone who was going at race pace! :eek:
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
No he didnt. :rolleyes:
[B]
I'll never forget that race at Spa(?) when he ran into Coulthard, and drove back to the pits on three wheels. He actually passed someone who was going at race pace! :eek:
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
No he didnt. :rolleyes:
| gtguy | 03-04-2002 12:26 PM |
Are you sure, John? I seem to distinctly recall him going past someone who was on track. Of course, I would have to have just recently tossed all my old F1 tapes, right before a recent move. It might have been a car from a lesser team, but I even recall one of the announcing team (Daly perhaps?) commenting on it.
Or am I just crazy?
Kevin
Or am I just crazy?
Kevin
| johnfelstead | 03-04-2002 12:44 PM |
Trust me, he didnt. Please dont force me to get my tapes out and find the bloody thing. ;):D
| gtguy | 03-04-2002 02:19 PM |
Ohhhh, so you KEPT your tapes! Strangely enough, now I wish I had, though at the time I was packing, I was of a most emphatically different mind set.
I did, however, keep the dreaded Imola tape. I still cry whenever I watch it.
Kevin
I did, however, keep the dreaded Imola tape. I still cry whenever I watch it.
Kevin
| OnTheGas | 03-04-2002 02:40 PM |
Re: F1 is not drag racing
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rugged One [/i]
F1 is not drag racing. Rubens earned the pole. Why not let him have the first corner for safety sake. If Raplh has the skills and the car he can make passes during the race, I think there are 70 laps to do so...
I think F1 should do something to keep from having these big pile ups at every event. Rolling starts?[/QUOTE]
[b]Blasphemy! BLASPHEMY![/b]
Never, never, never, should F1 have rolling starts! Standing starts is one of the things that makes F1 the pinnacle of road racing, and the great sport that it is.
Furthermore, from the green flag to the 1st corner, F1 [b]is[/b] drag-racing... In the current form of regulations, with on-track passing being as difficult as it is, at some races, 50% of the race battle is decided by the 1st corner, as drivers make up and lose positions... On track passing for position is very difficult, and though Schumie makes it look easy, passing in the pits is very difficult as well...
F1 is not drag racing. Rubens earned the pole. Why not let him have the first corner for safety sake. If Raplh has the skills and the car he can make passes during the race, I think there are 70 laps to do so...
I think F1 should do something to keep from having these big pile ups at every event. Rolling starts?[/QUOTE]
[b]Blasphemy! BLASPHEMY![/b]
Never, never, never, should F1 have rolling starts! Standing starts is one of the things that makes F1 the pinnacle of road racing, and the great sport that it is.
Furthermore, from the green flag to the 1st corner, F1 [b]is[/b] drag-racing... In the current form of regulations, with on-track passing being as difficult as it is, at some races, 50% of the race battle is decided by the 1st corner, as drivers make up and lose positions... On track passing for position is very difficult, and though Schumie makes it look easy, passing in the pits is very difficult as well...
| johnfelstead | 03-04-2002 02:49 PM |
I have the imola tape plus a tape of senna's funeral. I cant watch them but i wont ever tape over them.
I remember precisely where i was when that race was going on, i remember wanting the race to end as it was just one thing after another going badly wrong. I knew the second he hit the wall he was dead. :(
I was working on my friends Esprit Race car at the time, we spent the whole afternoon working away in complete silence because it was so devastating.
As to F1 rolling starts, NO, NO and then another NO. The starts are the most exciting part of the event, unlike the USA, the rest of the world even at club level uses these. Every other weekend in the race season i am in the pits waiting for the Esprit to start a race and it's always the same tension, i would hate to see that go.
I remember precisely where i was when that race was going on, i remember wanting the race to end as it was just one thing after another going badly wrong. I knew the second he hit the wall he was dead. :(
I was working on my friends Esprit Race car at the time, we spent the whole afternoon working away in complete silence because it was so devastating.
As to F1 rolling starts, NO, NO and then another NO. The starts are the most exciting part of the event, unlike the USA, the rest of the world even at club level uses these. Every other weekend in the race season i am in the pits waiting for the Esprit to start a race and it's always the same tension, i would hate to see that go.
| OnTheGas | 03-04-2002 03:04 PM |
Re: Schumie's 3 Wheeled On-Track Pass
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
Are you sure, John? I seem to distinctly recall him going past someone who was on track. Of course, I would have to have just recently tossed all my old F1 tapes, right before a recent move. It might have been a car from a lesser team, but I even recall one of the announcing team (Daly perhaps?) commenting on it.
[/QUOTE]Kevin- You're not crazy, but what you and the announcer both saw was a bit of an optical illusion.
Remember that Schumie clobbered DC over in the 2 fast sweepers on their way down toward into bus-stop... The pit entrance does not use the bus-stop chicane, but goes straight past the entrance to the bus-stop chicane. So Schumie carried his speed down the hill, through the bus-stop chicane braking zone and straight into the pits... [URL=http://www.spa-francorchamps.be/gfx/track/aero12.jpg]air photo of pit entrance and bus-stop[/URL]... notice lines on the right on the straight leading into the pits...
[URL=http://www.spa-francorchamps.be/gfx/track/chic3.jpg]On track photo from bus-stop turn-in point[/URL]... this photo only shows how tight and sharp the turn-in is into the bus-stop... so that a car entering the pits can easily appear to pass another on the track from certain camera angles...
Are you sure, John? I seem to distinctly recall him going past someone who was on track. Of course, I would have to have just recently tossed all my old F1 tapes, right before a recent move. It might have been a car from a lesser team, but I even recall one of the announcing team (Daly perhaps?) commenting on it.
[/QUOTE]Kevin- You're not crazy, but what you and the announcer both saw was a bit of an optical illusion.
Remember that Schumie clobbered DC over in the 2 fast sweepers on their way down toward into bus-stop... The pit entrance does not use the bus-stop chicane, but goes straight past the entrance to the bus-stop chicane. So Schumie carried his speed down the hill, through the bus-stop chicane braking zone and straight into the pits... [URL=http://www.spa-francorchamps.be/gfx/track/aero12.jpg]air photo of pit entrance and bus-stop[/URL]... notice lines on the right on the straight leading into the pits...
[URL=http://www.spa-francorchamps.be/gfx/track/chic3.jpg]On track photo from bus-stop turn-in point[/URL]... this photo only shows how tight and sharp the turn-in is into the bus-stop... so that a car entering the pits can easily appear to pass another on the track from certain camera angles...
| OnTheGas | 03-04-2002 03:26 PM |
Senna on Tape
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
I have the imola tape plus a tape of senna's funeral. I cant watch them but i wont ever tape over them.[/QUOTE]
I have the may day tape, I can't watch it either... but my favorite Senna tape is a lap of the gods he performed back in the rain at donington for 1993 European GP... Senna had qual'd 4th, he and Schumie were >1.5 secs behind the dominant Williams/Renaults of Prost, & Hill in qualifying trim, as was typical that season. Schumie joined Senna in the second row, having qual'd 3rd.
But everything changed come race-time because at the green, there was a light rain or drizzle falling. Donington is relatively narrow and winding compared to the new more modern circuits, but in the 1st half of the 1st lap, Senna carved past Schumie, then picked off Hill, and then Prost a few turns later, and then started walking away from the field by the end of the first lap! The on-track passes were very exciting, and Daly, who was doing color commentary for us here in the states, correctly (to my mind) called it a lap of the gawds!
Incredible stuff...[URL=http://www.forix.com/asp/gp.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=9303&c=0]pics and stats here[/URL]
I have the imola tape plus a tape of senna's funeral. I cant watch them but i wont ever tape over them.[/QUOTE]
I have the may day tape, I can't watch it either... but my favorite Senna tape is a lap of the gods he performed back in the rain at donington for 1993 European GP... Senna had qual'd 4th, he and Schumie were >1.5 secs behind the dominant Williams/Renaults of Prost, & Hill in qualifying trim, as was typical that season. Schumie joined Senna in the second row, having qual'd 3rd.
But everything changed come race-time because at the green, there was a light rain or drizzle falling. Donington is relatively narrow and winding compared to the new more modern circuits, but in the 1st half of the 1st lap, Senna carved past Schumie, then picked off Hill, and then Prost a few turns later, and then started walking away from the field by the end of the first lap! The on-track passes were very exciting, and Daly, who was doing color commentary for us here in the states, correctly (to my mind) called it a lap of the gawds!
Incredible stuff...[URL=http://www.forix.com/asp/gp.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&r=9303&c=0]pics and stats here[/URL]
| johnfelstead | 03-04-2002 04:17 PM |
I know Donington very well. I have driven well in excess of 1000 laps of that track.
The most impresive part for me was the line he took down craner curves. Big balls. :D
I think he laped the entire field that day, i know he set the fastest lap by going in the pits and not stopping. :lol:
The most impresive part for me was the line he took down craner curves. Big balls. :D
I think he laped the entire field that day, i know he set the fastest lap by going in the pits and not stopping. :lol:
| J Colman | 03-04-2002 06:18 PM |
I have that Spa race on tape also, and NO he does not pass anyone after he has only three wheels.
He hits DC on the back stretch, makes his way through bus stop, and proceeds to the pits.
By the way, the Schumacher thing about him being the greatest was a joke, he's my favorite, but I also understand that everyone has their own favorites, and arguing opinions is pointless. :p
He hits DC on the back stretch, makes his way through bus stop, and proceeds to the pits.
By the way, the Schumacher thing about him being the greatest was a joke, he's my favorite, but I also understand that everyone has their own favorites, and arguing opinions is pointless. :p
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