| OnTheGas | 08-28-2002 04:10 PM |
Begium GP @ Spa-Francorchamps
[list=1][*]Michael - He owns this place...[*]Rubens - He has done well here, including earning his 1st pole position years ago...[*]JPM - He will chase, but Williams will be slower than the red cars...[*]Ralfie - He has done well here, but he's no Michael.[*]David - He knows Spa well, and has stood on the top step of the podium...[*]Kimi - Go Kimi, Go![/list=1]
| HoRo1 | 08-28-2002 04:20 PM |
Argh! Not again!
By far, and I mean by far, the world's greatest active circuit.
Let's see:
On a circuit that values driver skill and horsepower (why did they try to ruin it with the "bus stop"?), there can be no choice other than...
Ferrari 1 and 2. Shumacher to win.
Montoya to do something above his skill level at Eau Rouge (right on DC).
Alex Yoong outside 107%! No wait...Anthony Davidson to be surprisingly good driving a piece of Minardi.
Oh, and Jaguar to stink.
You just know its going to rain - heavily! (I hope). Get out the tow trucks.
By far, and I mean by far, the world's greatest active circuit.
Let's see:
On a circuit that values driver skill and horsepower (why did they try to ruin it with the "bus stop"?), there can be no choice other than...
Ferrari 1 and 2. Shumacher to win.
Montoya to do something above his skill level at Eau Rouge (right on DC).
Alex Yoong outside 107%! No wait...Anthony Davidson to be surprisingly good driving a piece of Minardi.
Oh, and Jaguar to stink.
You just know its going to rain - heavily! (I hope). Get out the tow trucks.
| AndyRoo | 08-28-2002 04:53 PM |
I see Fisichella in top 6 at least, especially if it rains.
1. Schumi (hes really good...)
2. Ralfie ( hes on lately, and the car should be suited to the track, am i right?
3. Coulthard (Mclaren and David may have a comeback)
4. Barrichello (probably will do better than this, but oh well)
5. Kimi
6. Fisichella
I think we should score the predictions like we did for the last one, that was cool.
1. Schumi (hes really good...)
2. Ralfie ( hes on lately, and the car should be suited to the track, am i right?
3. Coulthard (Mclaren and David may have a comeback)
4. Barrichello (probably will do better than this, but oh well)
5. Kimi
6. Fisichella
I think we should score the predictions like we did for the last one, that was cool.
| bgsntth | 08-28-2002 07:05 PM |
I think Montoya might surprise us, as he is motivated after his poor showing at Hungry. Schumacher has already stated that until Rubens has secured second in the championship, he will be conceeding. I do expect him to pull-out fast lap, as he did in Hungry, just to buttress his ego and serve notice. I agree with Andy that Jordan and Fisichella may figure prominantly in the final points paying positions, especially if it rains.
| Fred Zaplitny | 08-28-2002 10:45 PM |
Montoya will win!!!
what did you think I would say? :rolleyes:
what did you think I would say? :rolleyes:
| gtguy | 08-29-2002 01:07 PM |
1) Michael
2) Rubens
3) Ralf
4) JPM
5) Kimi
6) DC
Note that these are fairly conservative predictions, but I think that a track like Spa, which values horsepower and driver skill will make sure that the rich stay rich, and the poor...
If it rains, swap JPM with Ralf.
Should be a good 'un.
Kevin
2) Rubens
3) Ralf
4) JPM
5) Kimi
6) DC
Note that these are fairly conservative predictions, but I think that a track like Spa, which values horsepower and driver skill will make sure that the rich stay rich, and the poor...
If it rains, swap JPM with Ralf.
Should be a good 'un.
Kevin
| grandpa rex | 08-29-2002 02:47 PM |
Spa is one of the most beautiful venues in existence. Plus, it's a driver's track, all you hear from the drivers is praise for the track. It's almost always wet at some time during the weekend. Here are my predictions:
1. MS
2. RB
3. DC
4. JPM
5. Fisichella
6. Villeneuve
Substutite Kimi for DC or Ralfie for JPM above, but one one McLaren and one Williams will stay running.
Surprise of the weekend
7. Salo
1. MS
2. RB
3. DC
4. JPM
5. Fisichella
6. Villeneuve
Substutite Kimi for DC or Ralfie for JPM above, but one one McLaren and one Williams will stay running.
Surprise of the weekend
7. Salo
| pio!pio! | 08-29-2002 07:00 PM |
Yesterday's press conference was great! :D
Someone asked JPM what DC said about him, and Montoya gave a little jab back at him :D:D:D jab jab, jabjabjab
Someone asked JPM what DC said about him, and Montoya gave a little jab back at him :D:D:D jab jab, jabjabjab
| Raxy | 08-29-2002 07:16 PM |
My only prediction is Ferrari domination [B]BUT[/B] it will be Rubens at #1, with Michael letting Rubens win. It may be obvious to us or they may just disguise it! :devil: :lol:
| pio!pio! | 08-29-2002 11:27 PM |
Reminder! Live Practice gonna happen in the early hours of the morning, so get to bed early if you want to see it!
David (who will be sleeping extra early so I can wake up at 4AM and watch Friday practice)
David (who will be sleeping extra early so I can wake up at 4AM and watch Friday practice)
| OnTheGas | 08-29-2002 11:40 PM |
Another Mika Will Soon Retire
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by grandpa rex [/i]
[B]Surprise of the weekend
7. Salo [/B][/QUOTE]Good prediction... Salo has finished 7th twice before... his best finishing position at Spa...
It is assumed that he will retire at the end of the season, as he has said that if he does not get picked up by Toyota for next season, then he will retire... Toyota announced that they will not renew neither Salo's nor McNish's contracts. They did announce Panis as having a two year contract... And rumor has it that da Matta has an offer to race for Toyota... But he is on the fence because he is wondering about moving from being a big fish in a small pond at CART vs being a small fish in a big pond in F1. Both Rubens and Montoya have encouraged him to suck it up and come to F1...
[B]Surprise of the weekend
7. Salo [/B][/QUOTE]Good prediction... Salo has finished 7th twice before... his best finishing position at Spa...
It is assumed that he will retire at the end of the season, as he has said that if he does not get picked up by Toyota for next season, then he will retire... Toyota announced that they will not renew neither Salo's nor McNish's contracts. They did announce Panis as having a two year contract... And rumor has it that da Matta has an offer to race for Toyota... But he is on the fence because he is wondering about moving from being a big fish in a small pond at CART vs being a small fish in a big pond in F1. Both Rubens and Montoya have encouraged him to suck it up and come to F1...
| HoRo1 | 08-30-2002 11:33 AM |
Davidson over a second quicker than Webber who has suddenly become the F1 driver looking set for a shorter career than anticipated.
Heidfeld - is that halo starting to slip? Sauber - oh dear!
Sato - less than a second quicker than Davidson. Another guy who's season is ending very poorly.
I suspect that some guys who started the season with a reputation and have not produced have lost the faith of their mechanics by this stage - never a good omen.
I like Jensen Button (almost one second quicker than Trulli!), but I really have to question the wisdom of a move to BAR. He has made a decision which, while it may pay him handsomely today, could have detrimental effects on his career.
Jaguar - not bad.
JPM. He's making David Coulthard's remarks look very astute. You know Sir Frank sees that Jag in front of JPM and he's VERY unhappy. Fast sure, but too wild to be a success in F1, in fact not just wild, but I doubt if he's good enough for this level. Is he too old to change? I don't know the terms of his contract at Williams, but if he doesn't do something next season, he's out.
Where's the rain?
Heidfeld - is that halo starting to slip? Sauber - oh dear!
Sato - less than a second quicker than Davidson. Another guy who's season is ending very poorly.
I suspect that some guys who started the season with a reputation and have not produced have lost the faith of their mechanics by this stage - never a good omen.
I like Jensen Button (almost one second quicker than Trulli!), but I really have to question the wisdom of a move to BAR. He has made a decision which, while it may pay him handsomely today, could have detrimental effects on his career.
Jaguar - not bad.
JPM. He's making David Coulthard's remarks look very astute. You know Sir Frank sees that Jag in front of JPM and he's VERY unhappy. Fast sure, but too wild to be a success in F1, in fact not just wild, but I doubt if he's good enough for this level. Is he too old to change? I don't know the terms of his contract at Williams, but if he doesn't do something next season, he's out.
Where's the rain?
| Fred Zaplitny | 08-30-2002 12:09 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HoRo1 [/i]
[B]
JPM. He's making David Coulthard's remarks look very astute. You know Sir Frank sees that Jag in front of JPM and he's VERY unhappy. Fast sure, but too wild to be a success in F1, in fact not just wild, but I doubt if he's good enough for this level. Is he too old to change? I don't know the terms of his contract at Williams, but if he doesn't do something next season, he's out.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Since when does practice mean jack ****?! You should really think about what you are going to post before you post it. Start slamming JPM after he qualifies behind the Jags on a regular basis or puts together a long string of DNF's, both of which are NOT going to happen.
:mad:
You really pissed me off with that little comment!
[B]
JPM. He's making David Coulthard's remarks look very astute. You know Sir Frank sees that Jag in front of JPM and he's VERY unhappy. Fast sure, but too wild to be a success in F1, in fact not just wild, but I doubt if he's good enough for this level. Is he too old to change? I don't know the terms of his contract at Williams, but if he doesn't do something next season, he's out.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Since when does practice mean jack ****?! You should really think about what you are going to post before you post it. Start slamming JPM after he qualifies behind the Jags on a regular basis or puts together a long string of DNF's, both of which are NOT going to happen.
:mad:
You really pissed me off with that little comment!
| HoRo1 | 08-30-2002 12:14 PM |
Jeez! Touchy! Does he owe you money?
Oh, re the DNFs - 14 in 30 starts! Not good!
On the other hand, 1 win and 10 podiums.
To me that spells inconsistent. Sir Frank likes winners, fires losers (when he mistakenly hires one), and does not like inconsistency. JPM had better turn this around soon. Spa separates the cream from the milk, and JPM is starting look a little milky to me.
Oh, re the DNFs - 14 in 30 starts! Not good!
On the other hand, 1 win and 10 podiums.
To me that spells inconsistent. Sir Frank likes winners, fires losers (when he mistakenly hires one), and does not like inconsistency. JPM had better turn this around soon. Spa separates the cream from the milk, and JPM is starting look a little milky to me.
| johnfelstead | 08-30-2002 12:28 PM |
:lol:
Friday means nothing.
Jenson moving to BAR is his best option as Williams dont want him, Renault dont want him (what is flavio smoking? he is miles better than trulli who can do 1 quick lap, but races like a moron. I wonder, does him being his manager have any influence, errrm, yes!), he could have gone to Jaguar, would you? Hell no. BAR with Mr Richards in charge will progress, they already have exclusive rights to the Honda next year, DR is making changes and that team will suceed. It looks like JV will be there in 2003 as he isnt stupid and doesnt care what the team wants, he just wants his $10Million because he is a money grabbing git these days and quite happy to plod along in the midfield, JB will kick his ass, just you watch!
Salo is out, he anounced his retirement yesterday. I think Toyota suck ass for firing both drivers who worked their asses off for the team during its out of F1 year of testing. I was very surprised Salo was dropped.
I do expect Davidson to do well compared to Webber at Spa, he has raced there before. Webber is leaving Minardi at the end of the year and i would expect to see Davidson and Justin Wilson in the car next season. If Davidson shines at Spa, we wont see Alex Yoong drive again IMHO.
Friday means nothing.
Jenson moving to BAR is his best option as Williams dont want him, Renault dont want him (what is flavio smoking? he is miles better than trulli who can do 1 quick lap, but races like a moron. I wonder, does him being his manager have any influence, errrm, yes!), he could have gone to Jaguar, would you? Hell no. BAR with Mr Richards in charge will progress, they already have exclusive rights to the Honda next year, DR is making changes and that team will suceed. It looks like JV will be there in 2003 as he isnt stupid and doesnt care what the team wants, he just wants his $10Million because he is a money grabbing git these days and quite happy to plod along in the midfield, JB will kick his ass, just you watch!
Salo is out, he anounced his retirement yesterday. I think Toyota suck ass for firing both drivers who worked their asses off for the team during its out of F1 year of testing. I was very surprised Salo was dropped.
I do expect Davidson to do well compared to Webber at Spa, he has raced there before. Webber is leaving Minardi at the end of the year and i would expect to see Davidson and Justin Wilson in the car next season. If Davidson shines at Spa, we wont see Alex Yoong drive again IMHO.
| HoRo1 | 08-30-2002 12:49 PM |
John
A completely off the wall question. Is Justin any relation to Desire (can't get an acute accent on that last 'e')?
A completely off the wall question. Is Justin any relation to Desire (can't get an acute accent on that last 'e')?
| johnfelstead | 08-30-2002 01:03 PM |
nope
| Fred Zaplitny | 08-30-2002 01:09 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by HoRo1 [/i]
[B]Oh, re the DNFs - 14 in 30 starts! Not good!
[/B][/QUOTE]
How many of those DNF's are due to engine failure or other faulty equipment? Oh yeah, JPM doen't know how to keep his engine together :rolleyes: That Ralf, he knows how to treat his BMW. Sure, it's JPM's fault.
:monkey:
[B]Oh, re the DNFs - 14 in 30 starts! Not good!
[/B][/QUOTE]
How many of those DNF's are due to engine failure or other faulty equipment? Oh yeah, JPM doen't know how to keep his engine together :rolleyes: That Ralf, he knows how to treat his BMW. Sure, it's JPM's fault.
:monkey:
| HoRo1 | 08-30-2002 01:50 PM |
Over the last 2 seasons:
Ralf Schumacher
30 starts
11 podiums
4 wins
8 DNF
JPM
30 starts
10 podiums
1 win
14 DNF
I know that this doesn't include driving style etc (blah, blah), but it seems to me that Ralfie has more of a handle on his car. I'm sure that Sir Frank could handle the DNFs with a few more wins, but a 14:1 ratio does not lead me to believe that he will look favourably upon JPM when his contract expires in 2 years. On the other hand, he's relatively "inexpensive" at just $7M/year. I think Ralf gets $10-12M.
Ralf Schumacher
30 starts
11 podiums
4 wins
8 DNF
JPM
30 starts
10 podiums
1 win
14 DNF
I know that this doesn't include driving style etc (blah, blah), but it seems to me that Ralfie has more of a handle on his car. I'm sure that Sir Frank could handle the DNFs with a few more wins, but a 14:1 ratio does not lead me to believe that he will look favourably upon JPM when his contract expires in 2 years. On the other hand, he's relatively "inexpensive" at just $7M/year. I think Ralf gets $10-12M.
| AndyRoo | 08-30-2002 03:31 PM |
It is only JPM's second year. What year is Ralfie?
Also, I look forward to Button repeatedly smoking Villenueve at BAR. Who took his place at Renault, I forgot?
Webber wasnt too bad early in the year didnt he get 6th or so in Australia? It would be nice to see Davidson at Minardi, anyway. Yoong out.
I'd like to see good things from Jordan with Cosworth engines next year.
Also, I look forward to Button repeatedly smoking Villenueve at BAR. Who took his place at Renault, I forgot?
Webber wasnt too bad early in the year didnt he get 6th or so in Australia? It would be nice to see Davidson at Minardi, anyway. Yoong out.
I'd like to see good things from Jordan with Cosworth engines next year.
| HoRo1 | 08-30-2002 07:34 PM |
Grid predictions
After extensive statistical analysis, I am prepared to post the following grid prediction (the following assumes dry, clear conditions for qualifying);
No particular order.
RB - 1.46.12
MS - 1.46.15
KR - 1.46.4
DC - 1.47.2
RS - 1.47.3
I think that every time above is well within the previous record (frankly I can't be bothered looking, my brain hurts).
JPM - insufficient data. His qualifying performance so far has been so inconsistent as to give me a qualifying time of sub 1.44! So I'll just assume garbage in garbage out, although Mr. Zaplitny should be pleased about that 1.44.xx
This is the first, and probably last time I'll try this.
PS as this is a first try, my margin of error is +/- 1 second (at least) - hey, I'd be a lousy statistician* if I didn't stand behind my "predictions". :lol:
* I'm actually not a statistician at all, I just play one on i-club.
Look at Montoya's drives for what they are - a multiyear year trial for Ferrari. If he shows that he can run fast (which he can) and do so reliably (which he is having trouble with), he'll be Schumacher's replacement. If he can't show both, he'll be driving for a second string team, it is that simple. If F1 teaches anything, its that those who don't produce on the track consistently, don't win and ultimately don't drive. 14DNFs in 30 starts needs improving.
No particular order.
RB - 1.46.12
MS - 1.46.15
KR - 1.46.4
DC - 1.47.2
RS - 1.47.3
I think that every time above is well within the previous record (frankly I can't be bothered looking, my brain hurts).
JPM - insufficient data. His qualifying performance so far has been so inconsistent as to give me a qualifying time of sub 1.44! So I'll just assume garbage in garbage out, although Mr. Zaplitny should be pleased about that 1.44.xx
This is the first, and probably last time I'll try this.
PS as this is a first try, my margin of error is +/- 1 second (at least) - hey, I'd be a lousy statistician* if I didn't stand behind my "predictions". :lol:
* I'm actually not a statistician at all, I just play one on i-club.
Look at Montoya's drives for what they are - a multiyear year trial for Ferrari. If he shows that he can run fast (which he can) and do so reliably (which he is having trouble with), he'll be Schumacher's replacement. If he can't show both, he'll be driving for a second string team, it is that simple. If F1 teaches anything, its that those who don't produce on the track consistently, don't win and ultimately don't drive. 14DNFs in 30 starts needs improving.
| OnTheGas | 08-30-2002 07:42 PM |
HoRo1 Is Just Joking!
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny [/i]
[B]Since when does practice mean jack ****?! You should really think about what you are going to post before you post it... :mad:
You really pissed me off with that little comment! [/B][/QUOTE]Hey Fred, John, and everyone! Perhaps HoRo1 is just joking... or teasing us to see if he can get a rise... trolling if you will... Whenever he posts something like this which makes you think out loud, "You can't be serious!", then to be fair to HoRo1, it might be a tongue in cheek troll to stir the pot a little bit.
Certainly after JPM's nearly two full seasons in F1 there is certainly no doubt amongst folks in the F1 paddocks, and in the grandstands as to his talent... Certainly Frank thinks JPM is good enough to [url=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=103843&FS=F1]extend JPM's contract through the 2004 season[/url]... Frank easily could have had Jenson in that seat, but apparently thinks more of JPM's talents.
But perhaps HoRo1 is serious... in which case the problem w/his opinions is that he often cites F1 stats but usually fails to take in to account that F1 results reflect more upon the strengths and weeknesses of the team than they do the driver. If I said that F1 results are 60% team, and 40% driver, that might be too conservative... it's probably %30 driver, 10% luck, and 60% team. We have all seen HoRo1 cite stats to illustrate a driver's talents. Often the stats he chooses to cite better illustrate a teams performance instead of a driver's performance. Reviewing his posts on this thread, he obviously continues to do this.
Now my post may seem rude to HoRo1, because I'm speaking of him in the 3rd person, and providing a detailed critique of his opinions, but it isn't personal. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
BTW, there are two reasons I refer to HoRo1 in the 3rd person...[list=1][*]I don't want to argue w/him. He's made his point(s), and I disagree w/many of them, which is OK. So this post is not written to HoRo1, but to those of you who read his opinions, and as I said earlier, think out loud to yourself, "You can't be serious!"[*]Since I tired of HoRo1's trolls or opinions or whatever a few weeks ago, I decided to[URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/member2.php?s=&action=viewlist&userlist=ignore] add him to my "Ignore List".[/URL] Which means I won't see his posts to me anyways. It bothers me to do that, but it makes reading this forum much more enjoyable... This HoRo1 can continue to post his opinions, which is a good thing, but since I know I will disagree w/most things he posts, and will be annoyed by much of it, I use a tool to prevent me from being annoyed. It's all good![/list]:)
HTH!
peace out!
[B]Since when does practice mean jack ****?! You should really think about what you are going to post before you post it... :mad:
You really pissed me off with that little comment! [/B][/QUOTE]Hey Fred, John, and everyone! Perhaps HoRo1 is just joking... or teasing us to see if he can get a rise... trolling if you will... Whenever he posts something like this which makes you think out loud, "You can't be serious!", then to be fair to HoRo1, it might be a tongue in cheek troll to stir the pot a little bit.
Certainly after JPM's nearly two full seasons in F1 there is certainly no doubt amongst folks in the F1 paddocks, and in the grandstands as to his talent... Certainly Frank thinks JPM is good enough to [url=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=103843&FS=F1]extend JPM's contract through the 2004 season[/url]... Frank easily could have had Jenson in that seat, but apparently thinks more of JPM's talents.
But perhaps HoRo1 is serious... in which case the problem w/his opinions is that he often cites F1 stats but usually fails to take in to account that F1 results reflect more upon the strengths and weeknesses of the team than they do the driver. If I said that F1 results are 60% team, and 40% driver, that might be too conservative... it's probably %30 driver, 10% luck, and 60% team. We have all seen HoRo1 cite stats to illustrate a driver's talents. Often the stats he chooses to cite better illustrate a teams performance instead of a driver's performance. Reviewing his posts on this thread, he obviously continues to do this.
Now my post may seem rude to HoRo1, because I'm speaking of him in the 3rd person, and providing a detailed critique of his opinions, but it isn't personal. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
BTW, there are two reasons I refer to HoRo1 in the 3rd person...[list=1][*]I don't want to argue w/him. He's made his point(s), and I disagree w/many of them, which is OK. So this post is not written to HoRo1, but to those of you who read his opinions, and as I said earlier, think out loud to yourself, "You can't be serious!"[*]Since I tired of HoRo1's trolls or opinions or whatever a few weeks ago, I decided to[URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/member2.php?s=&action=viewlist&userlist=ignore] add him to my "Ignore List".[/URL] Which means I won't see his posts to me anyways. It bothers me to do that, but it makes reading this forum much more enjoyable... This HoRo1 can continue to post his opinions, which is a good thing, but since I know I will disagree w/most things he posts, and will be annoyed by much of it, I use a tool to prevent me from being annoyed. It's all good![/list]:)
HTH!
peace out!
| HoRo1 | 08-30-2002 09:27 PM |
Ignore list!
I'm crushed.
I'm going to go to bed, sulk and not watch JPM get a DNF this weekend.
On Monday, I'll be sure to read Mr. Zaplitny's list of reasons why it wasn't JPM's fault. :lol: :devil:
PS Just for that, I won't treat you to any more of my statistical shenanigans.:lol:
Now you won't have to read anything other than the "Wasn't X so brilliant at wherever" posts that dominate the F1 postings. Heaven forbid that I should point out that for $10m/year poor finishes, slow laps, stupid errors and DNFs don't cut it. :)
I'm crushed.
I'm going to go to bed, sulk and not watch JPM get a DNF this weekend.
On Monday, I'll be sure to read Mr. Zaplitny's list of reasons why it wasn't JPM's fault. :lol: :devil:
PS Just for that, I won't treat you to any more of my statistical shenanigans.:lol:
Now you won't have to read anything other than the "Wasn't X so brilliant at wherever" posts that dominate the F1 postings. Heaven forbid that I should point out that for $10m/year poor finishes, slow laps, stupid errors and DNFs don't cut it. :)
| Fred Zaplitny | 08-31-2002 11:00 AM |
Well it seems JPM qualified in 5th right behind his teammate. Both are ahead of the Jags.
| OnTheGas | 08-31-2002 12:42 PM |
Michael's First Spa Pole!
Wow! Looks like Michael is from another planet again today, as he went into warrier mode, and blitzed the field in qualifying to qualify on the pole by a clear .4 secs, and he only used 9 of his 12 allowed laps. This is his first pole position at Spa. In his 10 previous starts here, he usually started behind the front row. His previous best qualifying position at Spa was 2nd, which he attained only once. That little factoid perhaps illustrates that qualifying position is not as critical at this circuit as it is elsewhere.
Those of you who picked Schumacher to finish 2nd to Rubens must be hoping that Todt orders that result, because otherwise Michael is likely to walk away on Sunday. We are seeing once again why Michael makes the big bucks; he is a phenom, and it is a pleasure to watch such a talent perform.
[code]
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:43.726 241.837 km/h 9
2. Raikkonen McLaren Mercedes (M) 1:44.150 + 0.424 12
3. Barrichello Ferrari (B) 1:44.335 + 0.609 12
4. R.Schumacher Williams BMW (M) 1:44.348 + 0.622 12
5. Montoya Williams BMW (M) 1:44.634 + 0.908 12
6. Coulthard McLaren Mercedes (M) 1:44.759 + 1.033 12
7. Trulli Renault (M) 1:45.386 + 1.660 11
8. Irvine Jaguar Cosworth (M) 1:45.865 + 2.139 12
9. Salo Toyota (M) 1:45.880 + 2.154 12
10. Button Renault (M) 1:45.972 + 2.246 12
11. de la Rosa Jaguar Cosworth (M) 1:46.056 + 2.330 10
12. Villeneuve BAR Honda (B) 1:46.403 + 2.677 11
13. McNish Toyota (M) 1:46.485 + 2.759 12
14. Fisichella Jordan Honda (B) 1:46.508 + 2.782 11
15. Panis BAR Honda (B) 1:46.553 + 2.827 10
16. Sato Jordan Honda (B) 1:46.875 + 3.149 12
17. Massa Sauber Petronas (B) 1:46.896 + 3.170 12
18. Heidfeld Sauber Petronas (B) 1:47.272 + 3.546 10
19. Webber Minardi Asiatech (M) 1:47.562 + 3.836 12
20. Davidson Minardi Asiatech (M) 1:48.170 + 4.444 11[/code]
Those of you who picked Schumacher to finish 2nd to Rubens must be hoping that Todt orders that result, because otherwise Michael is likely to walk away on Sunday. We are seeing once again why Michael makes the big bucks; he is a phenom, and it is a pleasure to watch such a talent perform.
[code]
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:43.726 241.837 km/h 9
2. Raikkonen McLaren Mercedes (M) 1:44.150 + 0.424 12
3. Barrichello Ferrari (B) 1:44.335 + 0.609 12
4. R.Schumacher Williams BMW (M) 1:44.348 + 0.622 12
5. Montoya Williams BMW (M) 1:44.634 + 0.908 12
6. Coulthard McLaren Mercedes (M) 1:44.759 + 1.033 12
7. Trulli Renault (M) 1:45.386 + 1.660 11
8. Irvine Jaguar Cosworth (M) 1:45.865 + 2.139 12
9. Salo Toyota (M) 1:45.880 + 2.154 12
10. Button Renault (M) 1:45.972 + 2.246 12
11. de la Rosa Jaguar Cosworth (M) 1:46.056 + 2.330 10
12. Villeneuve BAR Honda (B) 1:46.403 + 2.677 11
13. McNish Toyota (M) 1:46.485 + 2.759 12
14. Fisichella Jordan Honda (B) 1:46.508 + 2.782 11
15. Panis BAR Honda (B) 1:46.553 + 2.827 10
16. Sato Jordan Honda (B) 1:46.875 + 3.149 12
17. Massa Sauber Petronas (B) 1:46.896 + 3.170 12
18. Heidfeld Sauber Petronas (B) 1:47.272 + 3.546 10
19. Webber Minardi Asiatech (M) 1:47.562 + 3.836 12
20. Davidson Minardi Asiatech (M) 1:48.170 + 4.444 11[/code]
| OnTheGas | 08-31-2002 01:54 PM |
Thursday Press Conference & Saturday Performances
Thursday's
[URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=104505&FS=F1]Quotes excerpted from Thursdays FIA Press Conference @ Spa[/URL] [quote][i]Question to Montoya: You think [David Coulthard's] comments are unjustified do you?[/i]
[b]JPM: I think he should try and concentrate more on doing his job and trying to beat Kimi than talking about somebody else, that's what I think.[/b][/quote]Saturday's Qualifying Result:[list][*]2nd = Raikkonen @ 1:44.150 which = + 0.424 secs from pole[*]6th = Coulthard @ 1:44.759 which = + 1.033 secs from pole, and + .609 slower than Kimi.[/list]Pretty good advice for David from a friendly competitor!
Actually, David and Kimi are on different compounds, so we shall see who has the last laugh at the checkers tomorrow! :)
[quote][i][b]Eddie Irvine[/b] @ Thursday's Press Conference[/i]
[b]We have new front suspension on the car, new uprights just to try and stiffen the whole thing up a bit more...
The last three races we've had bloody good races. Magny-Cours was going well, Nürburgring (he means Hockenheim) would have gone better if we hadn't had so many problems with the car, and Budapest, we were as quick as anyone apart from the really big guys... in fact we were a lot quicker than everyone else apart from the really big guys but the car broke down. We've definitely made progress. I think it will be interesting here, but it depends on what's going to happen in the war between Michelin and Bridgestone, to see how that affects us. If Bridgestone are ahead, that really affects us a lot and vice versa. We are not just on our own. Coming here with a better car won't turn the whole thing around if Bridgestone take the advantage here.[/b][/quote][b]Saturday's Results:[/b]
Irvine qualified 8th and said afterwards that they are aiming for points at the checkers...
[quote][i]Anthony Davidson[/i]
[b]...It's pretty tough to come in and just do two races and show exactly what you've got. It takes a long time to get to know the car and every track and the team and everything. It's going to be hard to impress the right people but I've just got to do the best I can.[/b][/quote]At least a few of the important people in the paddock agree with Mr. Davidson. Saturday's news included confirmation that Toyota are interested in signing Anthony Davidson... Ironically, Toyota's only signed driver for 2003, Panis, is/was, like Davidson, under contract to BAR.
[URL=http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=104505&FS=F1]Quotes excerpted from Thursdays FIA Press Conference @ Spa[/URL] [quote][i]Question to Montoya: You think [David Coulthard's] comments are unjustified do you?[/i]
[b]JPM: I think he should try and concentrate more on doing his job and trying to beat Kimi than talking about somebody else, that's what I think.[/b][/quote]Saturday's Qualifying Result:[list][*]2nd = Raikkonen @ 1:44.150 which = + 0.424 secs from pole[*]6th = Coulthard @ 1:44.759 which = + 1.033 secs from pole, and + .609 slower than Kimi.[/list]Pretty good advice for David from a friendly competitor!
Actually, David and Kimi are on different compounds, so we shall see who has the last laugh at the checkers tomorrow! :)
[quote][i][b]Eddie Irvine[/b] @ Thursday's Press Conference[/i]
[b]We have new front suspension on the car, new uprights just to try and stiffen the whole thing up a bit more...
The last three races we've had bloody good races. Magny-Cours was going well, Nürburgring (he means Hockenheim) would have gone better if we hadn't had so many problems with the car, and Budapest, we were as quick as anyone apart from the really big guys... in fact we were a lot quicker than everyone else apart from the really big guys but the car broke down. We've definitely made progress. I think it will be interesting here, but it depends on what's going to happen in the war between Michelin and Bridgestone, to see how that affects us. If Bridgestone are ahead, that really affects us a lot and vice versa. We are not just on our own. Coming here with a better car won't turn the whole thing around if Bridgestone take the advantage here.[/b][/quote][b]Saturday's Results:[/b]
Irvine qualified 8th and said afterwards that they are aiming for points at the checkers...
[quote][i]Anthony Davidson[/i]
[b]...It's pretty tough to come in and just do two races and show exactly what you've got. It takes a long time to get to know the car and every track and the team and everything. It's going to be hard to impress the right people but I've just got to do the best I can.[/b][/quote]At least a few of the important people in the paddock agree with Mr. Davidson. Saturday's news included confirmation that Toyota are interested in signing Anthony Davidson... Ironically, Toyota's only signed driver for 2003, Panis, is/was, like Davidson, under contract to BAR.
| rkkwan | 08-31-2002 02:20 PM |
One thing I don't understand is why people (mostly from the US) spend so much time arguing about the credit/merit of JPM. I have nothing for or against him, as I hardly followed him while he was racing here, and I only got Speed Channel on my cable for the last 4 months.
Yet, from the last 5-6 F1 races I've watched on TV, the rising star of F1 is Kimi Raikkonen - who's getting podium finishes, consistently getting better result than DC, and doesn't make too many mistakes. Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see what's so "great" about JPM on the F1 circuits, except for the poles.
-Ray
Yet, from the last 5-6 F1 races I've watched on TV, the rising star of F1 is Kimi Raikkonen - who's getting podium finishes, consistently getting better result than DC, and doesn't make too many mistakes. Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see what's so "great" about JPM on the F1 circuits, except for the poles.
-Ray
| gtguy | 08-31-2002 03:36 PM |
Anyone who picked Rubens to finish ahead of Michael is hitting the pipe! :lol:
Seriously, except for the odd race in which for whatever reason, Rubens has the mojo working, he's about the gap that we saw today to Michael...yes, Michael is that good. Those qualifying laps were electrifying to watch.
I still think that the Williams is going to better than the McLaren in race trim, though I am now kicking myself for not realizing that the McLaren development program would have their cars going as fast as they are. After how dismal they looked at Hungary...
The race should rock. Of course, there's the pole jinx, such as it is, but I suspect that MS will make quick work of that. Rubens should still be able to get around Kimi in race trim, but he'd better do it quickly. Kimi really seems to get better as the race goes on.
I think that Montoya has just hit a bad spell. Many drivers do for some inexplicable reason, where the magic just isn't working. The Williams has been having a really hard time with rear tires of late, and JPM's tail-happy driving style is a joy to watch, but does tend to exacerbate that tire-eating problem that this year's chassis has manifested of late. There's no question that he's a very good driver. He's certainly no Villeneuve, in the "all overrated" team.
Kimi's going to be the one taking the challenge to Michael before JPM, I think. Unfortunately, Ferrari is about to become a moving target. Just when everyone gets close to this year's car, next year's evolution will show up. Can't wait for 2003!
Kevin
Seriously, except for the odd race in which for whatever reason, Rubens has the mojo working, he's about the gap that we saw today to Michael...yes, Michael is that good. Those qualifying laps were electrifying to watch.
I still think that the Williams is going to better than the McLaren in race trim, though I am now kicking myself for not realizing that the McLaren development program would have their cars going as fast as they are. After how dismal they looked at Hungary...
The race should rock. Of course, there's the pole jinx, such as it is, but I suspect that MS will make quick work of that. Rubens should still be able to get around Kimi in race trim, but he'd better do it quickly. Kimi really seems to get better as the race goes on.
I think that Montoya has just hit a bad spell. Many drivers do for some inexplicable reason, where the magic just isn't working. The Williams has been having a really hard time with rear tires of late, and JPM's tail-happy driving style is a joy to watch, but does tend to exacerbate that tire-eating problem that this year's chassis has manifested of late. There's no question that he's a very good driver. He's certainly no Villeneuve, in the "all overrated" team.
Kimi's going to be the one taking the challenge to Michael before JPM, I think. Unfortunately, Ferrari is about to become a moving target. Just when everyone gets close to this year's car, next year's evolution will show up. Can't wait for 2003!
Kevin
| pio!pio! | 09-01-2002 12:17 AM |
Did anyone watch qualifying? It was hilarious when the world feed cameras focus on someone interviewing someone else, you can see the "F1" microphone which shows it's for Bernie's PPV feed. Then the camera zooms out and it's Peter Windsor!! I thought he was supposed to make vignettes for Speed Channel, not work for F1 PPV. HAHAHA I wonder if the Speed Channel execs knew he was moonlighting at another job :P
| OnTheGas | 09-01-2002 10:38 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]Kimi's going to be the one taking the challenge to Michael before JPM, I think.[/B][/QUOTE]Kevin, I'll disagree w/you on that. Though it's only speculation, and relies heavily upon the teams involved, if I were a betting man, I'd put money on Montoya's WC coming before Kimi's.
[B]Kimi's going to be the one taking the challenge to Michael before JPM, I think.[/B][/QUOTE]Kevin, I'll disagree w/you on that. Though it's only speculation, and relies heavily upon the teams involved, if I were a betting man, I'd put money on Montoya's WC coming before Kimi's.
| gtguy | 09-01-2002 12:17 PM |
Okay, that race was scary for everyone except for M. Schumacher. Talk about putting the wood to everyone, including Rubens. Montoya pulled one out, and it's too bad for Kimi.
Looks like a lot of engineers were off by a few laps on the reliability calculations. I don't think that I've ever seen more engines go in such a short time.
Kevin
Looks like a lot of engineers were off by a few laps on the reliability calculations. I don't think that I've ever seen more engines go in such a short time.
Kevin
| pio!pio! | 09-01-2002 02:59 PM |
Mika was very close to scoring a point! Ove should have got on the radio and said "If you pass Irvine and score, you have seat for next year"
| Fred Zaplitny | 09-01-2002 05:13 PM |
Hmm. I wonder why Hoho or Horo....whatever that guys name is hasn't posted that Sir Frank is just disgusted with JPM's podium finish.
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
| OnTheGas | 09-01-2002 09:05 PM |
Fred... You got me lol!
:lol: :lol:
| STORER | 09-01-2002 11:19 PM |
Kimi's engine failed! He would have finished fourth if that didn't happen. Oh well:rolleyes:
The battle for first was pretty boring. Micheal have 25 seconds on second place. Damn!:eek:
Steve
The battle for first was pretty boring. Micheal have 25 seconds on second place. Damn!:eek:
Steve
| Fred Zaplitny | 09-01-2002 11:25 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by STORER [/i]
[B]Kimi's engine failed! He would have finished fourth if that didn't happen. Oh well:rolleyes:
The battle for first was pretty boring. Micheal have 25 seconds on second place. Damn!:eek:
Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
Yep. Pretty much a classic MS checkout. He is just an awesome driver with superior equipment. That showed clearly today.
OnTheGas: I'm glad you got a laugh out of my post! :D
[B]Kimi's engine failed! He would have finished fourth if that didn't happen. Oh well:rolleyes:
The battle for first was pretty boring. Micheal have 25 seconds on second place. Damn!:eek:
Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
Yep. Pretty much a classic MS checkout. He is just an awesome driver with superior equipment. That showed clearly today.
OnTheGas: I'm glad you got a laugh out of my post! :D
| gtguy | 09-02-2002 12:29 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny [/i]
[B]
Yep. Pretty much a classic MS checkout. He is just an awesome driver with superior equipment. That showed clearly today.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Fred, are you feeling alright? I don't think I've ever seen such positive words for Schumi from you before. :D
Kevin
[B]
Yep. Pretty much a classic MS checkout. He is just an awesome driver with superior equipment. That showed clearly today.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Fred, are you feeling alright? I don't think I've ever seen such positive words for Schumi from you before. :D
Kevin
| Fred Zaplitny | 09-02-2002 12:54 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]
Fred, are you feeling alright? I don't think I've ever seen such positive words for Schumi from you before. :D
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
Don't worry, I'm not a closet Schumi fan or anything. I've always respected his driving ability. I'm still not a fan though.
[B]
Fred, are you feeling alright? I don't think I've ever seen such positive words for Schumi from you before. :D
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
Don't worry, I'm not a closet Schumi fan or anything. I've always respected his driving ability. I'm still not a fan though.
| OnTheGas | 09-04-2002 11:08 PM |
Points is Points, or... F1P6 Stylie Scoring
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AndyRoo [/i]
[B]I think we should score the predictions like we did for the last one, that was cool. [/B][/QUOTE]
OK, time to add our scores then! Again, I'll use the traditional F1Pick6 rules as found here, [url]http://www.motorsport.com/compete/p6/rules.asp[/url]
Here is the actual [u]Belgium GP points finishers[/u]:[list=1][*]Michael[*]Rubens[*]Juan[*]David[*]Ralf[*]Eddie[/list]Going from lowest to highest scores, here is how the i-club F1 prognosticators did for Belgium:
- - - [list=1][b]AndyRoo[/b][*]Micheal=10pts[*]Ralf=3pts[*]David=6pts[*]Rubens=4pts[*]Kimi=0pts[*]Giancarlo=0pts[/list][b]total pts = 23[/b]
Comment: Ralf not performing well really cut into your points, as did Rubens performing well, but if David had gained the podium you be sitting on a heap o' points.
- - - [list=1][b]grandpa rex[/b][*]Michael=10pts[*]Rubens=10pts[*]David=6pts[*]Juan=6pts[*]Giancarlo=0pts[*]Jacques=0pts[/list][b]total pts = 32[/b]
grandpa rex wins the prize for biggest cajungas to pick Giancarlo and Jacques to land in the points... too bad Honda engineering didn't provide them w/reliable strong motors, otherwise we would be toasting you for your
brilliant foresight.
Of course your pick of David on the podium w/Juan in 4th very nearly came true... If that came to pass, you'd have had 40 pts in your pocket!
Nonetheless, you finished 3rd in the points, so please step up to the podium, take off your cap for the anthems, and try not get champagne in the eyes!
Certainly JV and Fisichella drove like they were fighting for the podium... In particular, it is always a joy to see Jacques attack Spa... Yet again, he appeared to lay his wings down to gain a little more speed at the top end of the Kemmel straight... Championship winning talent slugging away in the middle of the pack... pretty entertaining!
- - - [list=1][b]gtguy[/b][*]Michael=10pts[*]Rubens=10pts[*]Ralf=4pts[*]Juan=6pts[*]Kimi=0pts[*]David=4pts[/list][b]total pts = 34[/b]
Well done! Good conservative picks, scoring mass quantities of points has earned you the 2nd position on the podium.
Obviously Ralf let you and Williams down w/his mistakes... Surprising how one Schumacher really shines here, while the brother doesn't have that same sparkle in his performance here.
- - - [list=1][b]OnTheGas[/b][*]Michael=10pts[*]Rubens=10pts[*]Juan=10pts[*]Ralf=6pts[*]David=6pts[*]Kimi=0pts[/list][b]total pts = 42[/b]
Like gtguy, these are pretty conservative picks, but I got lucky by correctly guessing that Juan would better Ralf, and David would better Kimi, which gained me a couple of extra points.
- - -
Hmmm... no one picked a Jaguar to be in the points! I would nominate Eddie's drive to 6th place as the biggest surprise of the race, and best moral victory of the race. Jaguars well earned point @ Spa is more validation of Ford's decision to dump Rahal, and stick w/Lauda. Good choice in management, and the Jaguar seat would be a good choice for any driver in 2003. I hope Webber gets one, and shines brightly...
EDIT: Corrected some scores... you may want to double check my work, and let me know of any oops!
[B]I think we should score the predictions like we did for the last one, that was cool. [/B][/QUOTE]
OK, time to add our scores then! Again, I'll use the traditional F1Pick6 rules as found here, [url]http://www.motorsport.com/compete/p6/rules.asp[/url]
Here is the actual [u]Belgium GP points finishers[/u]:[list=1][*]Michael[*]Rubens[*]Juan[*]David[*]Ralf[*]Eddie[/list]Going from lowest to highest scores, here is how the i-club F1 prognosticators did for Belgium:
- - - [list=1][b]AndyRoo[/b][*]Micheal=10pts[*]Ralf=3pts[*]David=6pts[*]Rubens=4pts[*]Kimi=0pts[*]Giancarlo=0pts[/list][b]total pts = 23[/b]
Comment: Ralf not performing well really cut into your points, as did Rubens performing well, but if David had gained the podium you be sitting on a heap o' points.
- - - [list=1][b]grandpa rex[/b][*]Michael=10pts[*]Rubens=10pts[*]David=6pts[*]Juan=6pts[*]Giancarlo=0pts[*]Jacques=0pts[/list][b]total pts = 32[/b]
grandpa rex wins the prize for biggest cajungas to pick Giancarlo and Jacques to land in the points... too bad Honda engineering didn't provide them w/reliable strong motors, otherwise we would be toasting you for your
brilliant foresight.
Of course your pick of David on the podium w/Juan in 4th very nearly came true... If that came to pass, you'd have had 40 pts in your pocket!
Nonetheless, you finished 3rd in the points, so please step up to the podium, take off your cap for the anthems, and try not get champagne in the eyes!
Certainly JV and Fisichella drove like they were fighting for the podium... In particular, it is always a joy to see Jacques attack Spa... Yet again, he appeared to lay his wings down to gain a little more speed at the top end of the Kemmel straight... Championship winning talent slugging away in the middle of the pack... pretty entertaining!
- - - [list=1][b]gtguy[/b][*]Michael=10pts[*]Rubens=10pts[*]Ralf=4pts[*]Juan=6pts[*]Kimi=0pts[*]David=4pts[/list][b]total pts = 34[/b]
Well done! Good conservative picks, scoring mass quantities of points has earned you the 2nd position on the podium.
Obviously Ralf let you and Williams down w/his mistakes... Surprising how one Schumacher really shines here, while the brother doesn't have that same sparkle in his performance here.
- - - [list=1][b]OnTheGas[/b][*]Michael=10pts[*]Rubens=10pts[*]Juan=10pts[*]Ralf=6pts[*]David=6pts[*]Kimi=0pts[/list][b]total pts = 42[/b]
Like gtguy, these are pretty conservative picks, but I got lucky by correctly guessing that Juan would better Ralf, and David would better Kimi, which gained me a couple of extra points.
- - -
Hmmm... no one picked a Jaguar to be in the points! I would nominate Eddie's drive to 6th place as the biggest surprise of the race, and best moral victory of the race. Jaguars well earned point @ Spa is more validation of Ford's decision to dump Rahal, and stick w/Lauda. Good choice in management, and the Jaguar seat would be a good choice for any driver in 2003. I hope Webber gets one, and shines brightly...
EDIT: Corrected some scores... you may want to double check my work, and let me know of any oops!
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