| Subdued | 08-21-2002 03:15 PM |
Best Subaru to run in Production Club Rally?
Was entertaining the idea of picking up a car to run Rally-X with and eventually club rally. Looking for suggestions on an affordable model that would hopefully be competitive in the Production class
| Thug | 08-21-2002 03:21 PM |
As far as I know, the only Subaru that can be run in Production class is the 1.8L FWD Impreza. The Justy or GL-10 or something like that might make it into Production, but I wouldnt waste my time with either of those. Your best bet is probably to get a cheap 2.2L AWD Impreza and run in Production GT. It wont be overly competitive considering you'll have to run against WRXs and DSMs, but it will make a great first rally car.
| Primitive Paul | 08-21-2002 04:19 PM |
I agree
The FWD 1.8 runs PRODUCTION along with the AWD Justy. Not bad cars and certainly inexpensive. But the Justy is kinda a "dead end" car with no parts availability...
You are probably much better off with a 2.2 or 2.5RS in PGT. Reliability and handling will allow either to win a divisional PGT championship in the right hands.
I won the 1999 PGT co-driver National Championship in a 1997 2.2 driven by Lee Shadbolt. He didn't get the driver championship that year because he did not race 7 out of the 9 championship events...
The competition is tougher now, but a well built 2.2 will still kick ass! Then you can TURBO it!
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You are probably much better off with a 2.2 or 2.5RS in PGT. Reliability and handling will allow either to win a divisional PGT championship in the right hands.
I won the 1999 PGT co-driver National Championship in a 1997 2.2 driven by Lee Shadbolt. He didn't get the driver championship that year because he did not race 7 out of the 9 championship events...
The competition is tougher now, but a well built 2.2 will still kick ass! Then you can TURBO it!
[email][email protected][/email]
3-time SCCA National Champion
Get more rally ideas at:
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| bjorn240 | 08-21-2002 04:56 PM |
Jamie Thomas's Impreza...
Your best bet for running in P-class would be to buy Jamie's 1.8L Impreza when she's done with it.
1) It's easier to buy a sorted car than build one.
2) It has proper suspension.
3) It's still quite new and hasn't been bodgered up too bad.
Building an AWD Justy seems like throwing a lot of money into the ground. Especially as the resale value on a rally car of that ilk would be about $850. Possibly Canadian.
Another thing to consider would be considering co-driving for a while. I can have you co-driving a WRX in ProRally by Sno*Drift next year, if you're interested. You'll learn a lot from sitting next to an experienced driver for a few months, and it's cheap, cheap, cheap.
- Christian
1) It's easier to buy a sorted car than build one.
2) It has proper suspension.
3) It's still quite new and hasn't been bodgered up too bad.
Building an AWD Justy seems like throwing a lot of money into the ground. Especially as the resale value on a rally car of that ilk would be about $850. Possibly Canadian.
Another thing to consider would be considering co-driving for a while. I can have you co-driving a WRX in ProRally by Sno*Drift next year, if you're interested. You'll learn a lot from sitting next to an experienced driver for a few months, and it's cheap, cheap, cheap.
- Christian
| Subie Gal | 08-21-2002 06:12 PM |
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very likely i'll be hanging onto my put-put 1.8 for a while...
considering 2.0 or 2.5-ing it and moving to GP2 or PGT...
not sure which yet! better decide soon eh?
i did the research....
i wanted to start in P class...
the 1.8 FWD seemed the logical choice, but i tell you it is STILL underpowered in comparison to the other P class cars.....
it has a hard time keeping up with the new Toyota Celica GT-S, the VW TDI Golf and the Acura RSX... all legal P class cars....
but... then again, i'm hanging in there and placing fairly well.
most importantly, i'm having a BLAST....
excellent car to LEARN in and i do not regret it!
the good thing about the impreza is that the chassis is the same up - 01... and most mods (DMS, brake lines, strut bars... etc.) bolt right on! You will not have that luck with a Justy or GL... and there is no DMS available for it.... so..... the FWD is a logical choice, even if underpowered...
:)
best of luck to you!
Jamie
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very likely i'll be hanging onto my put-put 1.8 for a while...
considering 2.0 or 2.5-ing it and moving to GP2 or PGT...
not sure which yet! better decide soon eh?
i did the research....
i wanted to start in P class...
the 1.8 FWD seemed the logical choice, but i tell you it is STILL underpowered in comparison to the other P class cars.....
it has a hard time keeping up with the new Toyota Celica GT-S, the VW TDI Golf and the Acura RSX... all legal P class cars....
but... then again, i'm hanging in there and placing fairly well.
most importantly, i'm having a BLAST....
excellent car to LEARN in and i do not regret it!
the good thing about the impreza is that the chassis is the same up - 01... and most mods (DMS, brake lines, strut bars... etc.) bolt right on! You will not have that luck with a Justy or GL... and there is no DMS available for it.... so..... the FWD is a logical choice, even if underpowered...
:)
best of luck to you!
Jamie
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| Subdued | 08-21-2002 10:38 PM |
Thanks for the advice. I am convinced it will be an Impreza, but I am still not sure about the 1.8 versus the 2.2. I really am hooked on AWD and a little more power, but I do like the affordability of the 1.8. Would a 1.8L AWD Brighton be legal in Production class? I am not used to being in the copilot seat, but it would probably be a very good learning experience. How much time would I have to devote to support as a co-driver?
| Rebellion | 08-22-2002 08:42 AM |
no.. the AWD is not legal for Production...
| Primitive Paul | 08-22-2002 11:22 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rebellion [/i]
[B]no.. the AWD is not legal for Production... [/B][/QUOTE]
You will want to get the rulebook.
With the AWD multiplier both of those (1.8 and 2.2) would be PGT cars...
Email me and I can send you the 2002 ProRally rulebook for the cost of postage...
[email][email protected][/email]
I think much of it can be found online too.
[B]no.. the AWD is not legal for Production... [/B][/QUOTE]
You will want to get the rulebook.
With the AWD multiplier both of those (1.8 and 2.2) would be PGT cars...
Email me and I can send you the 2002 ProRally rulebook for the cost of postage...
[email][email protected][/email]
I think much of it can be found online too.
| Subie Gal | 08-22-2002 11:22 AM |
correct... even 1.8 AWD is not P legal..
it's legal for PGT....
and i spent 1 full year navigating while building my rally car
it helped IMMENSELY when i started driving... :)
good luck!
Jamie
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it's legal for PGT....
and i spent 1 full year navigating while building my rally car
it helped IMMENSELY when i started driving... :)
good luck!
Jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
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| Subdued | 08-22-2002 03:37 PM |
I did find the 2002 Performance Rally rules on the web to download. Thanks for the tip. I am planning to attend the Wild West International Performance Rally in Shelton, WA. I don't believe I will be able to attend both days or I would volunteer as a course worker. If I could attend one day which would you suggest? What teams are good to talk to if I was looking to co-drive next season?
| Subie Gal | 08-22-2002 05:47 PM |
you're best off attending day 1...
as many cars crash/break and are out by day 2....
i would start w/a club rally team
look on special stage.com and see if anyone
is looking for a navigator for next year. :)
see ya at wwest!
Jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
as many cars crash/break and are out by day 2....
i would start w/a club rally team
look on special stage.com and see if anyone
is looking for a navigator for next year. :)
see ya at wwest!
Jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
| Gary (gg) | 08-23-2002 10:39 AM |
I don't have an updated rally rulebook but with the multipliers, I thought the Brighton would slide in under the Club rally's adjusted displacement of 2.65 L?
| Primitive Paul | 08-23-2002 11:02 AM |
Not with AWD and 4-valve (even though it is SOHC) multipliers...
| Gary (gg) | 08-23-2002 12:52 PM |
I had thought the 1.8 L was 8 valves not 16. That clears that up.
| Subdued | 08-23-2002 02:41 PM |
I had also been thinking the 1.8L was an eight valve engine. Thanks for the clarification. Any idea how much I should expect to pay for a 2.2L AWD impreza initially? I realize I will still be looking at a substantial investment for safety, endurance and spares.
| Primitive Paul | 08-23-2002 03:00 PM |
Your mileage may vary...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subdued [/i]
[B]I had also been thinking the 1.8L was an eight valve engine. Thanks for the clarification. Any idea how much I should expect to pay for a 2.2L AWD impreza initially? I realize I will still be looking at a substantial investment for safety, endurance and spares. [/B][/QUOTE]
Gee, they range from $1700 (with a few dents) to $6000 for a sweet '97 2-door...
Don't overlook the Impreza wagon either. Deals lurk out there and the extra 70lbs it not a huge deal on a first rally car. Later the glass can be replaced with Lexan and weigh less than a sedan... Great for holding a spare! or two!
Pe
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[B]I had also been thinking the 1.8L was an eight valve engine. Thanks for the clarification. Any idea how much I should expect to pay for a 2.2L AWD impreza initially? I realize I will still be looking at a substantial investment for safety, endurance and spares. [/B][/QUOTE]
Gee, they range from $1700 (with a few dents) to $6000 for a sweet '97 2-door...
Don't overlook the Impreza wagon either. Deals lurk out there and the extra 70lbs it not a huge deal on a first rally car. Later the glass can be replaced with Lexan and weigh less than a sedan... Great for holding a spare! or two!
Pe
[url]www.get-primitive.com[/url]
| Subie Gal | 08-23-2002 06:54 PM |
got my 1.8 for $2500 at a dealer auction
no brakes
no axles
4 oil leaks... yikes!
hunt around, you'll find one!
good luck!
Jamie
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no brakes
no axles
4 oil leaks... yikes!
hunt around, you'll find one!
good luck!
Jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
| Subdued | 08-23-2002 07:53 PM |
If I did get a Brighton and run in PGT could I later swap in a 2.2L or 2.5L and stay in PGT? I am reading the rules, but am not sure if the 2.5L would be considered updating or not.
Thanks for all the help.
Thanks for all the help.
| MaddMaxx | 08-23-2002 09:41 PM |
You can update a car as long as all the parts that make it a 2.5L are installed to the to the chassis to make it a complete udate, and match a shop manual for scrutiny, it takes a little more update production classes but it can be done. Upgrading to Open, G2, or G5 is a lot easier with less restrictive rules.
Best advice is to start off a little slower, get used to driving, then see if the car is still able to be upgraded or if building a new car is a better idea. New drivers tend to be very hard on race cars.
Rally On
mike
Best advice is to start off a little slower, get used to driving, then see if the car is still able to be upgraded or if building a new car is a better idea. New drivers tend to be very hard on race cars.
Rally On
mike
| Rovah | 08-24-2002 01:37 PM |
We're running a 1.8L AWD in PGT now. Multipliers work out so that it's JUST excluded from Production. If it had 8 valve heads, it might be in P, don't know.
We were able to keep up with higher powered cars at Maine Forest recently, but I drove a few stages with my foot on the floor the whole time. This was after attending Tim O'Neil's rally school(almost necessary, IMHO).
We obviously cannot compete with a 2002 WRX in PGT! In Canada, we are classed as P3, which puts us in a more equal group. You can see the entry list for the upcoming Defi St. Agathe rally and all the P3 cars there.
So, if we're going to be competitive in ProRally/Club here in the US, we need some more power, which will probably put us into open class, where we'll still be underpowered! ;-)
The 1.8L is a rugged engine and I have not heard any bad comments about it. The car is solid. The older Impreza is a bit lighter than a newer one car by a few hundred pounds. The power in a 2.5 probably makes up for that though.
My advice-Get a slow, reliable car, learn to drive it well, and add more power later if you need/want it. If you want AWD, then go with it. The 1.8L with AWD is a good way to get into AWD without huge cost/risk and it's a proven platform.
Cheers! John
We were able to keep up with higher powered cars at Maine Forest recently, but I drove a few stages with my foot on the floor the whole time. This was after attending Tim O'Neil's rally school(almost necessary, IMHO).
We obviously cannot compete with a 2002 WRX in PGT! In Canada, we are classed as P3, which puts us in a more equal group. You can see the entry list for the upcoming Defi St. Agathe rally and all the P3 cars there.
So, if we're going to be competitive in ProRally/Club here in the US, we need some more power, which will probably put us into open class, where we'll still be underpowered! ;-)
The 1.8L is a rugged engine and I have not heard any bad comments about it. The car is solid. The older Impreza is a bit lighter than a newer one car by a few hundred pounds. The power in a 2.5 probably makes up for that though.
My advice-Get a slow, reliable car, learn to drive it well, and add more power later if you need/want it. If you want AWD, then go with it. The 1.8L with AWD is a good way to get into AWD without huge cost/risk and it's a proven platform.
Cheers! John
| Subdued | 08-29-2002 12:05 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rovah [/i]
[B]We're running a 1.8L AWD in PGT now.
My advice-Get a slow, reliable car, learn to drive it well, and add more power later if you need/want it. If you want AWD, then go with it. The 1.8L with AWD is a good way to get into AWD without huge cost/risk and it's a proven platform.
Cheers! John [/B][/QUOTE]
I am very interested in building a 1.8L AWD, but have been concerned that I would be better off waiting and spending the extra money on a 2.2L. Do you have any regrets for not building a 2.2L if it was an option? How durable is the AWD in the 95-97 models? I ask because I will be a full on newbie driver and will obviously be a little harder on a car than a knowledgeable driver. I really appreciate all the advice and this may save me a lot of costly growing pains.
[B]We're running a 1.8L AWD in PGT now.
My advice-Get a slow, reliable car, learn to drive it well, and add more power later if you need/want it. If you want AWD, then go with it. The 1.8L with AWD is a good way to get into AWD without huge cost/risk and it's a proven platform.
Cheers! John [/B][/QUOTE]
I am very interested in building a 1.8L AWD, but have been concerned that I would be better off waiting and spending the extra money on a 2.2L. Do you have any regrets for not building a 2.2L if it was an option? How durable is the AWD in the 95-97 models? I ask because I will be a full on newbie driver and will obviously be a little harder on a car than a knowledgeable driver. I really appreciate all the advice and this may save me a lot of costly growing pains.
| Rovah | 08-29-2002 12:33 AM |
I was happy I bought the 1.8L. I had heard that the engine is quite bullet-proof. A 2.2 would also be nice, but it would be easy enough to swap a 2.2 or 2.5 engine in later on. Be mindful though, as a swap may put you in a different class.
I have no knowledge that the AWD system is more/less robust in the earlier GC8 models compared to later. Obviously, these early cars don't have the stock LSD of the later RS's, but some see this as a positive. Also, some of the early cars(like mine) came without a rear swaybar. Again, not a problem for rally, but be mindful.
The earlier cars also can save a bit of weight compared to newer cars.
I'd go with the 1.8L and swap in the 2.2L later on if you feel you're driving the 1.8L to the max. I'm almost ready to swap out the 1.8L, but I've been driving for a few years and have had some instruction. We spent a few stages at Maine Forest with the pedal on the floor through the whole stage. That's often an indication that you may be ready for a bit more power.
That said, I think you'll be happy with the pep that the 1.8L has. Good torque in first and not bad in second gears. Third is kind of a dog and it's really a challenge to keep the momentum up at times.
The 1.8L is a cheap car to get into and then you can spend the money on some DMS and skidplates and go out and spank it! :-)
Cheers! John
I have no knowledge that the AWD system is more/less robust in the earlier GC8 models compared to later. Obviously, these early cars don't have the stock LSD of the later RS's, but some see this as a positive. Also, some of the early cars(like mine) came without a rear swaybar. Again, not a problem for rally, but be mindful.
The earlier cars also can save a bit of weight compared to newer cars.
I'd go with the 1.8L and swap in the 2.2L later on if you feel you're driving the 1.8L to the max. I'm almost ready to swap out the 1.8L, but I've been driving for a few years and have had some instruction. We spent a few stages at Maine Forest with the pedal on the floor through the whole stage. That's often an indication that you may be ready for a bit more power.
That said, I think you'll be happy with the pep that the 1.8L has. Good torque in first and not bad in second gears. Third is kind of a dog and it's really a challenge to keep the momentum up at times.
The 1.8L is a cheap car to get into and then you can spend the money on some DMS and skidplates and go out and spank it! :-)
Cheers! John
| wrxinfx | 08-29-2002 08:13 PM |
1.8 AWD minus the RWD
Whatabout Starting with a 1.8, and disabling the AWD - by removing the rear driveshafts and diff?
I have no idea if that's possible, but I thought it might prove to be a good scalable solution.
I have no idea if that's possible, but I thought it might prove to be a good scalable solution.
| Rovah | 08-29-2002 11:26 PM |
I guess you could do that, but you have to state what year and model your car is and be careful that you don't have any features that weren't on a stock FWD 1.8L to begin with.
Regards, John
Regards, John
| Thug | 08-29-2002 11:31 PM |
One thing about the 1.8L is that they came with smaller/weaker drive axles than the 2.2 & 2.5s. Although John hasnt had a problem with them failing so maybe it's a moot point.
| XT6Wagon | 08-30-2002 01:37 AM |
How about a 82-87 Subaru hatch? The Motor is a 2V so I woudl guess that it will squeak in under the 4wd requirement. If not the 1.6L is very close in power. Only problem might be the short wheelbase for poor stablity.
Best thing is these are dirt cheap cars, brutaly simple, and ultra relaible if you give it a nice freshening.
Basicly think of a lighter stiffer Brat and you have the idea.
Best thing is these are dirt cheap cars, brutaly simple, and ultra relaible if you give it a nice freshening.
Basicly think of a lighter stiffer Brat and you have the idea.
| Thug | 08-30-2002 06:39 AM |
Unfortunately they are impossible to find parts for. You'd probably have to have a custom suspension built
| rallysquirrel | 09-03-2002 10:57 PM |
You could find an AWD Civic wagon that's 1.6l and still meets production.
If going with a Scooby, try the 2.2. That's what Paul started out with, although his has forced air.
With the 2.2, I believe you could later drop in a WRX engine and still stay in PGT, as long as the piping to the turbo would be the same as in WRX.
I COULD BE VERY WRONG ABOUT THE LAST PART.
If going with a Scooby, try the 2.2. That's what Paul started out with, although his has forced air.
With the 2.2, I believe you could later drop in a WRX engine and still stay in PGT, as long as the piping to the turbo would be the same as in WRX.
I COULD BE VERY WRONG ABOUT THE LAST PART.
| TOMMY B | 09-04-2002 07:32 AM |
Go for 2.2 Turbo.......
Well How about this ?? I like It and it works well for me......:D
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| bjorn240 | 09-04-2002 11:59 AM |
2.2 with a WRX motor
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rallysquirrel [/i]
[B]
With the 2.2, I believe you could later drop in a WRX engine and still stay in PGT, as long as the piping to the turbo would be the same as in WRX.
I COULD BE VERY WRONG ABOUT THE LAST PART. [/B][/QUOTE]
You're wrong about the last part. The P and PGT rules require minimum 1000 cars sold in the US in that configuration.
There was never a 95-99 Impreza with a WRX/turbocharged motor sold in the US. So, that'll put you into Open class.
Basically, you'd then have replicated Paul Eklund's USX, which runs in Open.
- Christian
[B]
With the 2.2, I believe you could later drop in a WRX engine and still stay in PGT, as long as the piping to the turbo would be the same as in WRX.
I COULD BE VERY WRONG ABOUT THE LAST PART. [/B][/QUOTE]
You're wrong about the last part. The P and PGT rules require minimum 1000 cars sold in the US in that configuration.
There was never a 95-99 Impreza with a WRX/turbocharged motor sold in the US. So, that'll put you into Open class.
Basically, you'd then have replicated Paul Eklund's USX, which runs in Open.
- Christian
| Ken C | 09-04-2002 05:45 PM |
Production Class -
Jamie,
Hi! Was just curious - are you running against Celicas and RSXs in Production right now? I thought that their 2.0 liters with the four valve multiplier and the variable valve timing would put them out of Production...
For anyone considering Production or PGT, note the ruling limiting cars to 12 years old or younger.
Regards,
Ken
Rally Performance
Hi! Was just curious - are you running against Celicas and RSXs in Production right now? I thought that their 2.0 liters with the four valve multiplier and the variable valve timing would put them out of Production...
For anyone considering Production or PGT, note the ruling limiting cars to 12 years old or younger.
Regards,
Ken
Rally Performance
| rallysquirrel | 09-04-2002 06:06 PM |
Re: Production Class -
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ken C [/i]
For anyone considering Production or PGT, note the ruling limiting cars to 12 years old or younger. [/QUOTE]
From SCCA Rally rulebook
This refers to ProRally only. ClubRally and restored Rally vehicles are not affected by these age restrictions
For anyone considering Production or PGT, note the ruling limiting cars to 12 years old or younger. [/QUOTE]
From SCCA Rally rulebook
This refers to ProRally only. ClubRally and restored Rally vehicles are not affected by these age restrictions
| Subie Gal | 09-04-2002 06:26 PM |
Re: Production Class -
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ken C [/i]
[B]Jamie,
Hi! Was just curious - are you running against Celicas and RSXs in Production right now? I thought that their 2.0 liters with the four valve multiplier and the variable valve timing would put them out of Production...
For anyone considering Production or PGT, note the ruling limiting cars to 12 years old or younger.
Regards,
Ken
Rally Performance [/B][/QUOTE]
yep... been running against a celica-GTS all season long...
and Trevor Donnison is building a RSX....
they're both class legal... the GTS is 1.8.. and i've no clue about the Acura... not worried about it.. yet.. ;)
cheers
jamie
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[B]Jamie,
Hi! Was just curious - are you running against Celicas and RSXs in Production right now? I thought that their 2.0 liters with the four valve multiplier and the variable valve timing would put them out of Production...
For anyone considering Production or PGT, note the ruling limiting cars to 12 years old or younger.
Regards,
Ken
Rally Performance [/B][/QUOTE]
yep... been running against a celica-GTS all season long...
and Trevor Donnison is building a RSX....
they're both class legal... the GTS is 1.8.. and i've no clue about the Acura... not worried about it.. yet.. ;)
cheers
jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
| Subdued | 09-06-2002 02:14 PM |
I appreciate all the great advice. I am leaning towards the 2.2L AWD Impreza, but I hadn't even thought about the Legacy (turbo). How much more car would I be throwing around with the Legacy (weight, dimension)? Is parts availability as good as the Impreza? The XT is also cool, but I hear parts availability is not good.
thanks again,
Ed
thanks again,
Ed
| Thug | 09-06-2002 03:53 PM |
Go with the 2.2L for your first rally car. Trust me, you'll thank us later.
| 555wagon | 09-06-2002 05:31 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by y2k4door [/i]
[B]Go with the 2.2L for your first rally car. Trust me, you'll thank us later. [/B][/QUOTE]
Why do you recommend the 2.2L?
[B]Go with the 2.2L for your first rally car. Trust me, you'll thank us later. [/B][/QUOTE]
Why do you recommend the 2.2L?
| Thug | 09-06-2002 07:32 PM |
It's more reliable and easier to find parts for than the other two cars he mentioned he was considering.
| Ken C | 09-06-2002 10:12 PM |
RSX and Celica
Jamie -
Yep, just did the math, I was wrong on it - the Celica and the RSX both have 2.0 liter motors, I believe, and the multipliers are 1.1 and 1.2, so unless they are truly more than 2007 ccs, they just slip into production.
Ag, they would be tough monsters to beat, pushing 200 hp. Wonder what kind of suspension they could put under them...
Ken
RP
Yep, just did the math, I was wrong on it - the Celica and the RSX both have 2.0 liter motors, I believe, and the multipliers are 1.1 and 1.2, so unless they are truly more than 2007 ccs, they just slip into production.
Ag, they would be tough monsters to beat, pushing 200 hp. Wonder what kind of suspension they could put under them...
Ken
RP
| XT6Wagon | 09-07-2002 03:04 AM |
Um, The celica is 1.8L, and the GTS has varible lift in addition to varible cam timing if that matters.
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