| boxerT | 07-16-2003 10:29 AM |
Camera Mount
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Found this link and made one for myself with $45 total cost of parts from Home Depot and a mounting ball from a professional photo shop. It works great!
[url]http://www.ae92gts.com/ae92gts_video_mount.html[/url]
[url]http://www.ae92gts.com/ae92gts_video_mount.html[/url]
| skuttledude | 07-16-2003 11:09 AM |
Question: does anybody have any good websites where they can purhase high quality camera mounts for the Sti. I'm not against DIY mounts, but wanted to see about the time vs. expense thing.
What experience have others had with them? Are the suction cup ones good? I'm looking for an internal mount. Camera is a Canon 200MC Optura MiniDV.
If its a mount for the Sti seats, the above link wouldn't be to helpful (but it does look good thanks!). What other mounts have ppl tried in Sti type seat? What other non seat internal mounts are there for our cars??
Truly,
Davis
What experience have others had with them? Are the suction cup ones good? I'm looking for an internal mount. Camera is a Canon 200MC Optura MiniDV.
If its a mount for the Sti seats, the above link wouldn't be to helpful (but it does look good thanks!). What other mounts have ppl tried in Sti type seat? What other non seat internal mounts are there for our cars??
Truly,
Davis
| jblaine | 07-16-2003 11:49 AM |
[url=http://hybrid2.honda-perf.org/contrib/cameramount/buildit.html]Instructions for one[/url] (not in response to most recent post above).
| johnfelstead | 07-17-2003 06:48 AM |
I use a suction camera mount supplied and manufactured by [URL=http://www.b-hague.co.uk/Mounting%20Brackets.htm]hague[/URL]
These are profesional units used by TV crews.
I strongly advise you to never use a mount attached to the headrest, the last thing you need in an impact/rollover is a piece of steel behind you neck, it could kill you.
I would not allow you on track with that setup if i were responsible for the event.
These are profesional units used by TV crews.
I strongly advise you to never use a mount attached to the headrest, the last thing you need in an impact/rollover is a piece of steel behind you neck, it could kill you.
I would not allow you on track with that setup if i were responsible for the event.
| skuttledude | 07-17-2003 09:04 AM |
Thanks John. Actually I did not think of the safety hazzards associated with a seat mounted camera. Good point. I'll get a suction thingy.
Cheers,
Davis
Cheers,
Davis
| lstepnio | 07-17-2003 10:04 AM |
A while back I found someone making a really nice professional head rest setup for $100. If I'm not mistaken it was called "The Speed Mount". The website had pictures in a Audi A4/S4 but they also had mounts compatible with most cars including the Impreza.
Does anyone know what happened to the the site or know the URL that I'm unable to locate?
Does anyone know what happened to the the site or know the URL that I'm unable to locate?
| wylie | 07-17-2003 10:31 AM |
The Speedmount website is for sale. I don't believe Renn Technik racing sells them anymore. There is a picture of the Speedmount here:
[QUOTE]http://www.fastaudi.net/a4/mods/speedmount.html[/QUOTE]
Audizine has a review here (scroll halfway down):
[QUOTE]http://www.audizine.com/tech/review/[/QUOTE]
If anyone is interested, I have one for sale, as I am retiring my wagon from track events.
[QUOTE]http://www.fastaudi.net/a4/mods/speedmount.html[/QUOTE]
Audizine has a review here (scroll halfway down):
[QUOTE]http://www.audizine.com/tech/review/[/QUOTE]
If anyone is interested, I have one for sale, as I am retiring my wagon from track events.
| The_Triton | 07-17-2003 03:30 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]
I strongly advise you to never use a mount attached to the headrest, the last thing you need in an impact/rollover is a piece of steel behind you neck, it could kill you.
[/B][/QUOTE]
What about one that goes on the passenger side??
[B]
I strongly advise you to never use a mount attached to the headrest, the last thing you need in an impact/rollover is a piece of steel behind you neck, it could kill you.
[/B][/QUOTE]
What about one that goes on the passenger side??
| johnfelstead | 07-17-2003 03:54 PM |
sure, if you fancy a steel bar through the side of your head.
Car crashes by nature are violent experiences, use your imagination and you should be able to work out what is relatively safe and what is dangerous.
Car crashes by nature are violent experiences, use your imagination and you should be able to work out what is relatively safe and what is dangerous.
| lstepnio | 07-17-2003 04:07 PM |
What do you suggest John? If I recall correctly you have some experience with various in/out car video setups.
| johnfelstead | 07-17-2003 05:26 PM |
The first rule of thumb is always were a helmet when you are using an onboard camera. Even with the best of mounts if you suffer a high G impact you could have a camera flying through the cabin and hitting your head, which could cause serious injury.
If you can aford it, use a remote bullet camera unit and mount the recording unit at floor level, make sure that in an impact wont fly through the cabin.
If you want to use a normal camera, try to avoid the old style Video8 type units which are heavy and go for the smaller Mini DV, you will get better footage quality but you also have less potential for damage.
Myself, i use 2 systems in the car on track. I use a suction mount for the MiniDV camera (check this mount before each run, they do go lose their suction over time), plus a bullet camera with remote recorder for external shots or funky stuff like eye level filming.
Dont ever use anything that ataches to your safety systems like your seats, using something like a headrest mount, IMHO is plain dumb/dangerous.
I think its common sense stuff, but like a lot of things, it isnt obvious until you spend a few moments thinking, what if.
This is the unit i use incar
[img]http://www.b-hague.co.uk/sm1b.jpg[/img]
If you can aford it, use a remote bullet camera unit and mount the recording unit at floor level, make sure that in an impact wont fly through the cabin.
If you want to use a normal camera, try to avoid the old style Video8 type units which are heavy and go for the smaller Mini DV, you will get better footage quality but you also have less potential for damage.
Myself, i use 2 systems in the car on track. I use a suction mount for the MiniDV camera (check this mount before each run, they do go lose their suction over time), plus a bullet camera with remote recorder for external shots or funky stuff like eye level filming.
Dont ever use anything that ataches to your safety systems like your seats, using something like a headrest mount, IMHO is plain dumb/dangerous.
I think its common sense stuff, but like a lot of things, it isnt obvious until you spend a few moments thinking, what if.
This is the unit i use incar
[img]http://www.b-hague.co.uk/sm1b.jpg[/img]
| wylie | 07-17-2003 07:37 PM |
[QUOTE]I use a suction mount for the MiniDV[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I think its common sense stuff, but like a lot of things, it isnt obvious until you spend a few moments thinking, what if.[/QUOTE]
What if...
you roll rollover or crash, and your window holding your camera cracks or flexes it would compromise the suction mount, thereby rendering your camera a loose and airborne object?
Sounds plausible to me.
I don't believe the headrest to be any more stable than a suction mount, so the most secure way would be to mount to a rollover or harness bar.
[QUOTE]I think its common sense stuff, but like a lot of things, it isnt obvious until you spend a few moments thinking, what if.[/QUOTE]
What if...
you roll rollover or crash, and your window holding your camera cracks or flexes it would compromise the suction mount, thereby rendering your camera a loose and airborne object?
Sounds plausible to me.
I don't believe the headrest to be any more stable than a suction mount, so the most secure way would be to mount to a rollover or harness bar.
| carpetsloth | 07-17-2003 08:22 PM |
Speedmount.com no longer exists and the owners closed up shop one day and stopped shipping mounts that were paid for. I paid in full for my mount and got nothing but excuses for 30 days until my ability to get my money back through paypal was up and then suprise suprise they stopped answering the phone all together. That was last sept. I posted threads on vwvortex, audiworld, here and dtmpower. Lots of people got weasled out of their money by these guys. It's been almost a year and I've called and e-mailed many many times. I still have not received any product or a refund of any kind. It's slimeballs like this that give e-commerce a bad name.
Anyway, I don't know if they've established a new shop or not but please, no one give them money, I don't want anyone else to get swindled like I did.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by lstepnio [/i]
[B]A while back I found someone making a really nice professional head rest setup for $100. If I'm not mistaken it was called "The Speed Mount". The website had pictures in a Audi A4/S4 but they also had mounts compatible with most cars including the Impreza.
Does anyone know what happened to the the site or know the URL that I'm unable to locate? [/B][/QUOTE]
Anyway, I don't know if they've established a new shop or not but please, no one give them money, I don't want anyone else to get swindled like I did.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by lstepnio [/i]
[B]A while back I found someone making a really nice professional head rest setup for $100. If I'm not mistaken it was called "The Speed Mount". The website had pictures in a Audi A4/S4 but they also had mounts compatible with most cars including the Impreza.
Does anyone know what happened to the the site or know the URL that I'm unable to locate? [/B][/QUOTE]
| lstepnio | 07-17-2003 09:17 PM |
John, thanks for the good input. I've looked into the suction devices but those made me more uneasy than the idea of the passenger side headrest mounts. I think with the seat pushed all the way back and reclined to a degree it seems safer than the suction device. I like the idea of the purpose built cameras but like you hinted it's too expensive to justify. I do appreciate you wisdom though.
I'm just want something for Solo I & Solo II time trials and maybe the occasional open track day. I might just have to pass on the idea of having my DV camera in car for events.
I'm just want something for Solo I & Solo II time trials and maybe the occasional open track day. I might just have to pass on the idea of having my DV camera in car for events.
| johnfelstead | 07-17-2003 09:18 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wylie [/i]
[B]
What if...
you roll rollover or crash, and your window holding your camera cracks or flexes it would compromise the suction mount, thereby rendering your camera a loose and airborne object?
Sounds plausible to me.
I don't believe the headrest to be any more stable than a suction mount, so the most secure way would be to mount to a rollover or harness bar. [/B][/QUOTE]
That is why i say wear a helmet!
I dont know of any normal production cars that people use on trackdays that have a rollcage fitted as standard. Of course it is best to mount this to a rollcage using a perminant mount, but that isnt an option for the trackday market.
The suction mount is the next best thing. It's a damn sight safer than having your neck broken by a steel bar attached to an area designed to colaspse under loads and cushion the impact.
[B]
What if...
you roll rollover or crash, and your window holding your camera cracks or flexes it would compromise the suction mount, thereby rendering your camera a loose and airborne object?
Sounds plausible to me.
I don't believe the headrest to be any more stable than a suction mount, so the most secure way would be to mount to a rollover or harness bar. [/B][/QUOTE]
That is why i say wear a helmet!
I dont know of any normal production cars that people use on trackdays that have a rollcage fitted as standard. Of course it is best to mount this to a rollcage using a perminant mount, but that isnt an option for the trackday market.
The suction mount is the next best thing. It's a damn sight safer than having your neck broken by a steel bar attached to an area designed to colaspse under loads and cushion the impact.
| johnfelstead | 07-17-2003 09:24 PM |
I must add, i only ever use the suction mount in the back of the car on the back window, so if i am going to get hit by it, its most likely in the back of the helmet. I wouldnt use it on the windscreen in a place where it could hit me face on.
I dont like the idea of these bars mounted to head rests, even if reclined, road car seats tend to move a hell of a lot in a big impact, as do the ocupants and i think its a big risk to have a steel bar anywhere near you that is mounted in a solid way.
I dont like the idea of these bars mounted to head rests, even if reclined, road car seats tend to move a hell of a lot in a big impact, as do the ocupants and i think its a big risk to have a steel bar anywhere near you that is mounted in a solid way.
| lstepnio | 07-17-2003 09:27 PM |
Just to clarify the headrest mounts I've have all been attached to the passenger seat and you would be an idiot not be wearing a helmet.
I wonder it there is enough clearance to mount the camera on side towards the passenger window on the passenger headrest.
John, given the above circumstances being used in a santioned event(SCCA SoloI/II or a open track event) would you feel comfortable with such a setup assuming everything was secured correctly with a well designed mount using a smaller DV camera? just looking for input. Anyone else with experience feel free to chime in.
I wonder it there is enough clearance to mount the camera on side towards the passenger window on the passenger headrest.
John, given the above circumstances being used in a santioned event(SCCA SoloI/II or a open track event) would you feel comfortable with such a setup assuming everything was secured correctly with a well designed mount using a smaller DV camera? just looking for input. Anyone else with experience feel free to chime in.
| johnfelstead | 07-17-2003 09:43 PM |
I am no expert in this ;) so just giving my own opinion on what i feel is the most safe systems to use. That config sounds safer, its still not great, i would be concerned about the headrest becoming detached in a roll with the extra weight and that hitting you in the face.
From a footage point of view, i would think using a seat mount is going to produce a lot of picture shake, as seats tend to wabble, the suction mounts offer a solid platform.
From a footage point of view, i would think using a seat mount is going to produce a lot of picture shake, as seats tend to wabble, the suction mounts offer a solid platform.
| Pghrally | 07-17-2003 10:00 PM |
A"bullet" camera would be the best bet. You could safely store your DV camera so it wouldn't become a projectile in case of an incident. It's fairly easy to hook up the remote camera, using the av input on the DV camera. I made a nice set up with a remote camera, microphone and mount for under $150.00. Check [url]www.supercircuits.com[/url] for the cameras, they have at least one racer on staff who
recommended a fantastic camera for under $100.00. I use a mount that I found at gander mountain, designed originally for gps mounts in boats. I do have the benefit of mounting that to a roll cage, BUT-
if you are going to suction mount something, I'd rather see it be a 2oz camera, than a 2lb camera.
Do a search for "helmet cameras" to get some ideas for mounts etc, but ususally prepackaged camera systems are expensive for what you get.
recommended a fantastic camera for under $100.00. I use a mount that I found at gander mountain, designed originally for gps mounts in boats. I do have the benefit of mounting that to a roll cage, BUT-
if you are going to suction mount something, I'd rather see it be a 2oz camera, than a 2lb camera.
Do a search for "helmet cameras" to get some ideas for mounts etc, but ususally prepackaged camera systems are expensive for what you get.
| TOM MAC | 07-18-2003 09:46 AM |
Racer Parts Wholesale sells a head rest mount they say is SCCA approved for Rally or autocross.It's made by Speedcom and goes for $39.99
| lstepnio | 07-18-2003 10:09 AM |
If I recall correctly per SCCA rules ANY helmet camera is NOT legal.
| lstepnio | 07-18-2003 10:16 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TOM MAC [/i]
[B]Racer Parts Wholesale sells a head rest mount they say is SCCA approved for Rally or autocross.It's made by Speedcom and goes for $39.99 [/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/speedcom15.htm[/url]
I'm going to give this a try for that price. If there isn't enough clearance to mount the camera on side of the window I'll just return it or put on ebay. I think I feel save enough with this for Solo events as the risk of crashing at the event is less than crashing on the way to the event(I live in Florida; people can't drive here).
I really apreciate eveyones input in regards to saftey. :)
[B]Racer Parts Wholesale sells a head rest mount they say is SCCA approved for Rally or autocross.It's made by Speedcom and goes for $39.99 [/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/speedcom15.htm[/url]
I'm going to give this a try for that price. If there isn't enough clearance to mount the camera on side of the window I'll just return it or put on ebay. I think I feel save enough with this for Solo events as the risk of crashing at the event is less than crashing on the way to the event(I live in Florida; people can't drive here).
I really apreciate eveyones input in regards to saftey. :)
| Pghrally | 07-18-2003 10:41 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by lstepnio [/i]
[B]If I recall correctly per SCCA rules ANY helmet camera is NOT legal. [/B][/QUOTE]
I was only using that as a reference to find the types of small remote cameras that are used in an in-car system. Actually I said to search "helmet cameras" for ideas for mounts... Not to actually mount it to your helmet. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
If you've ever checked out the systems used in the top SCCA Rally cars, you'll see they use a "bullet" or "lipstick" style camera that feeds a mini DV camera- Which is mounted in the hatch, or trunk.
They do not mount the actual camera on a mount. It is much better to mount a smaller remote camera, than to have the actual camcorder mounted at head level, just in case of an accident. If you search a little bit, you can find these types of cameras more reasonably priced that a pre-packaged system.
For Solo runs, It's still easier to mount a small remote camera, than to mount the camcorder, plus you can do a few runs with it pointing at you, at your feet, secured outside the car at the tires etc. And it's a lot easier to mount a lipstick camera in these different locations.
For example, you could use this helmet system:
[url]http://www.sportzshot.com/helmet_cameras.htm[/url]
as a model to design your own in car system...not to use it as a helmet camera.
[B]If I recall correctly per SCCA rules ANY helmet camera is NOT legal. [/B][/QUOTE]
I was only using that as a reference to find the types of small remote cameras that are used in an in-car system. Actually I said to search "helmet cameras" for ideas for mounts... Not to actually mount it to your helmet. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
If you've ever checked out the systems used in the top SCCA Rally cars, you'll see they use a "bullet" or "lipstick" style camera that feeds a mini DV camera- Which is mounted in the hatch, or trunk.
They do not mount the actual camera on a mount. It is much better to mount a smaller remote camera, than to have the actual camcorder mounted at head level, just in case of an accident. If you search a little bit, you can find these types of cameras more reasonably priced that a pre-packaged system.
For Solo runs, It's still easier to mount a small remote camera, than to mount the camcorder, plus you can do a few runs with it pointing at you, at your feet, secured outside the car at the tires etc. And it's a lot easier to mount a lipstick camera in these different locations.
For example, you could use this helmet system:
[url]http://www.sportzshot.com/helmet_cameras.htm[/url]
as a model to design your own in car system...not to use it as a helmet camera.
| lstepnio | 07-18-2003 11:01 AM |
I gotcha, I have to see if my camera have a video input. For some reason I have feeling it doesn't. :(
These are all great ideas, thanks guys!
These are all great ideas, thanks guys!
| Pghrally | 07-18-2003 11:18 AM |
A lot of camcorders do, look for a mini-jack labled "AV input" or look for the red/yellow/white RCA jacks...
| lstepnio | 07-18-2003 12:29 PM |
I know I have a firewire port, S-Video and RCA jacks but I'm pretty sure they are just an output and not input. I'll check it out when I get home.
| randy zimmer | 07-18-2003 12:37 PM |
camera lens
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Just as a reminder, if you have video input, I have camera lens' for sale $80, 12VDC, color with mic.
See if the quality is OK for you at
[url]www.randyzimmer.com[/url]
and look at some of the new movies (towards the top).
rz
See if the quality is OK for you at
[url]www.randyzimmer.com[/url]
and look at some of the new movies (towards the top).
rz
| exhondaguy | 08-14-2003 05:54 AM |
where would I beable to purchase the suction mount seen on this site [url]http://www.b-hague.co.uk/Mounting%20Brackets.htm[url] in the US?
| sdecker | 08-14-2003 07:44 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by lstepnio [/i]
[B]
[url]http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/speedcom15.htm[/url]
I'm going to give this a try for that price. If there isn't enough clearance to mount the camera on side of the window I'll just return it or put on ebay. I think I feel save enough with this for Solo events as the risk of crashing at the event is less than crashing on the way to the event(I live in Florida; people can't drive here).
I really apreciate eveyones input in regards to saftey. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
I have the dual headrest version of this mount and I am very satisfied with it. I use a Canon miniDV camera and the camera shake is non-existent.
I had not thought of the safety aspect before. I respect Johnfelstead's comments, but honestly in a track incident I don't think we can reasonably say that one design is somehow superior to another from a safety standpoint. Anything not permanently mounted to the car is a safety risk, whether that item is suction mounted, headrest mounted, or whatever.
Just like many other things on track, go with what you are comfortable with. Some people buy 100 dollar helmets, some people buy 1000 dollar helmets. Some people wouldn't dream of putting a 10mm oversize tire on a rim, some people would...etc etc. Tracking your car is a risky proposition under the best of circumstances -- it's up to you to determine how much additional risk you want to take.
Good luck!
Scott
[B]
[url]http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/speedcom15.htm[/url]
I'm going to give this a try for that price. If there isn't enough clearance to mount the camera on side of the window I'll just return it or put on ebay. I think I feel save enough with this for Solo events as the risk of crashing at the event is less than crashing on the way to the event(I live in Florida; people can't drive here).
I really apreciate eveyones input in regards to saftey. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
I have the dual headrest version of this mount and I am very satisfied with it. I use a Canon miniDV camera and the camera shake is non-existent.
I had not thought of the safety aspect before. I respect Johnfelstead's comments, but honestly in a track incident I don't think we can reasonably say that one design is somehow superior to another from a safety standpoint. Anything not permanently mounted to the car is a safety risk, whether that item is suction mounted, headrest mounted, or whatever.
Just like many other things on track, go with what you are comfortable with. Some people buy 100 dollar helmets, some people buy 1000 dollar helmets. Some people wouldn't dream of putting a 10mm oversize tire on a rim, some people would...etc etc. Tracking your car is a risky proposition under the best of circumstances -- it's up to you to determine how much additional risk you want to take.
Good luck!
Scott
| hillman | 08-14-2003 09:21 AM |
If you are interested in DIY mounts, you might want to look at;
[url]http://planet-torque.com/garage/mounts.html[/url]
Two different headrest mounted versions. One of them I made for our WRX;
[img]http://planet-torque.com/garage/cameramount.jpg[/img]
As you can see in some of the sample video, I use them for ice racing where suction-cup mounts are not an option. Regardless, it's going to take a lot more impact to dislodge this setup than a suction mount.
[quote]
sure, if you fancy a steel bar through the side of your head.
[/quote]
No worry, mine's aluminum.
A bullet or Conecam is the way to go, if you want to spend a few hundred. If you're cheap like me, headrest mounts work great.
[url]http://planet-torque.com/garage/mounts.html[/url]
Two different headrest mounted versions. One of them I made for our WRX;
[img]http://planet-torque.com/garage/cameramount.jpg[/img]
As you can see in some of the sample video, I use them for ice racing where suction-cup mounts are not an option. Regardless, it's going to take a lot more impact to dislodge this setup than a suction mount.
[quote]
sure, if you fancy a steel bar through the side of your head.
[/quote]
No worry, mine's aluminum.
A bullet or Conecam is the way to go, if you want to spend a few hundred. If you're cheap like me, headrest mounts work great.
| leecea | 08-26-2003 09:23 PM |
Here is a mount that I made using a monopod. It gives me good height adjustment of the camera position. I only use it for autoX where serious accidents are very rare.
[url]http://mywebpages.comcast.net/leecea/misc/monopod.htm[/url]
[url]http://mywebpages.comcast.net/leecea/misc/monopod.htm[/url]
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