| doodie | 01-31-2002 09:32 AM |
can 4wd drift?
I downloaded a couple of clips, and the imprezza was doing doughnuts and it did a drifting U Turn. I only saw the back wheels spinning, but isn't the Imprezza a AWD?
| SubEd | 01-31-2002 09:48 AM |
Do you get Speedvision? If so, coverage of the Sweden Rally begins tonight. Should answer your question quite well! :D
p.s. All Subies are AWD.
p.s. All Subies are AWD.
| Lafora | 01-31-2002 09:49 AM |
are you from the future? :D cuz my schedule says it's sweden for some reason.
| SubEd | 01-31-2002 09:51 AM |
Yes, I'm from the future, and "No", I'm not going to tell you who wins this weekend!!
[size=1]but I will place a bet with you![/size]
[size=1]but I will place a bet with you![/size]
| doodie | 01-31-2002 09:58 AM |
What is speedvision?
| DonA | 01-31-2002 10:08 AM |
[URL=http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/Scrapbook/20020120-01-UnderageEnthusiast/Drift%20Mix%20Version%20%231.mpg]http://www.trunkmonkeyracing.com/Scrapbook/20020120-01-UnderageEnthusiast/Drift%20Mix%20Version%20%231.mpg[/URL]
Watch this Video look for the yellow Mitsubishi Evo about 1/3 of the way through. that should answer your question
Oh and yes the EVO has AWD too.;)
Watch this Video look for the yellow Mitsubishi Evo about 1/3 of the way through. that should answer your question
Oh and yes the EVO has AWD too.;)
| Lifino | 01-31-2002 10:39 AM |
Hey, doody... welcome to the club. Try to fit in.
| TimStevens | 01-31-2002 10:42 AM |
Can subaru's drift !!?? :eek:
This car holds the world record for drifting, a sustained drift of 2 hours and 11 minutes:
[IMG]http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/images/WorldRecordScoob.jpg[/IMG]
So, yeah, they can drift :)
-tim
This car holds the world record for drifting, a sustained drift of 2 hours and 11 minutes:
[IMG]http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/images/WorldRecordScoob.jpg[/IMG]
So, yeah, they can drift :)
-tim
| Mykl | 01-31-2002 01:46 PM |
I'm trying to learn how to drift, but when you can't get on a road course every day it's hard. The most challenging aspect I've found is finding a relatively safe place to do it where you won't hurt yourself, anybody else, or damage the car in the process.
Trail braking in the WRX is very effective, and if done correctly a very minimal amount of steering input is required.
If it's something you wish to learn, which I imagine it is because you wouldn't have asked if you didn't want to know, find some nice mild bends in the road that have no curbs, ditches, trees, bushes, or any kind of obstructions on the outside. This way if you **** up all you did was slide off into the grass and made the car dirty. However, keep in mind that it is still dangerous and you probably shouldn't be doing it.
Before you try anything do your studying. You need to have a comprehensive knowledge of how a car's suspension works, how understeer/oversteer conditions affect tire grip, how weight transfer effects grip, and what the car is supposed to do when you push on any of the pedals or give any input what-so-ever.
Then I would suggest watching every drifting video you can get your hands on. Pay attention to driver inputs, braking, turn in, where the wheels are pointed, when the driver goes to the throttle, etc. etc. Believe it or not, the anime 'Initial D' is pretty damn good to watch if you want to pick up on a few things. Most of my knowledge on the subject came about through studying and thought, but I picked up on a few tips from watching it.
Just remember to be very safe when you're doing it and do everything you can to minimize the risk to yourself, and more importantly, other people who have not accepted the risk that you have.
Trail braking in the WRX is very effective, and if done correctly a very minimal amount of steering input is required.
If it's something you wish to learn, which I imagine it is because you wouldn't have asked if you didn't want to know, find some nice mild bends in the road that have no curbs, ditches, trees, bushes, or any kind of obstructions on the outside. This way if you **** up all you did was slide off into the grass and made the car dirty. However, keep in mind that it is still dangerous and you probably shouldn't be doing it.
Before you try anything do your studying. You need to have a comprehensive knowledge of how a car's suspension works, how understeer/oversteer conditions affect tire grip, how weight transfer effects grip, and what the car is supposed to do when you push on any of the pedals or give any input what-so-ever.
Then I would suggest watching every drifting video you can get your hands on. Pay attention to driver inputs, braking, turn in, where the wheels are pointed, when the driver goes to the throttle, etc. etc. Believe it or not, the anime 'Initial D' is pretty damn good to watch if you want to pick up on a few things. Most of my knowledge on the subject came about through studying and thought, but I picked up on a few tips from watching it.
Just remember to be very safe when you're doing it and do everything you can to minimize the risk to yourself, and more importantly, other people who have not accepted the risk that you have.
| brainrally | 01-31-2002 02:09 PM |
There have been FWD and RWD versions of the Impreza. I don't think the US ever had any RWD version. I'm not sure about the FWD version. But that would've been early versions of the 1st gen. Impreza. I forget what year (and I'm too lazy to research) Subaru decided to go AWD only on all their cars sold in the US (or was this a worldwide market decision?).
However, I've never heard of any RWD or FWD version of the New Age Impreza.
Oh yeah, [URL=http://www.speedvision.com/]Speedvision[/URL] is a cable channel dedicated to motorsports (you can also get it on satellite TV as well, I think).
However, I've never heard of any RWD or FWD version of the New Age Impreza.
Oh yeah, [URL=http://www.speedvision.com/]Speedvision[/URL] is a cable channel dedicated to motorsports (you can also get it on satellite TV as well, I think).
| GarySheehan | 01-31-2002 02:39 PM |
Yes, it can.
Unfortunately, we had our WRX USTCC car set up all wrong for the Buttonwillow race. We had too much weight at the rear of the car and the back of the car kept coming around. It was fun, but slow.
[URL=http://www.teamsmr.com/Buttonwillow_1.mov]Here's[/URL] a clip that shows a little bit of drifting during the race. At this race, it was by far the worst handling car I have ever driven. Drifting is best left to those crazy rally people in the dirt and gravel. It's not something you want during a road race.
Thankfully we got it sorted out for the next event.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
[URL=http://www.teamsmr.com/Buttonwillow_1.mov]Here's[/URL] a clip that shows a little bit of drifting during the race. At this race, it was by far the worst handling car I have ever driven. Drifting is best left to those crazy rally people in the dirt and gravel. It's not something you want during a road race.
Thankfully we got it sorted out for the next event.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
| Irvine Subaru | 02-01-2002 01:21 PM |
Allow me to clarify 1 thing quickly.
The Impreza was initially available as both FWD and AWD. NEVER RWD. In 96 Subaru made the decision to do away with building FWD only cars. So... and Subaru from 96 on is AWD.
Also, the only RWD Imprezas have been those converted from AWD. Cusco's JTCC car, SYSM JTCC wagon, etc.
Ryan
The Impreza was initially available as both FWD and AWD. NEVER RWD. In 96 Subaru made the decision to do away with building FWD only cars. So... and Subaru from 96 on is AWD.
Also, the only RWD Imprezas have been those converted from AWD. Cusco's JTCC car, SYSM JTCC wagon, etc.
Ryan
| LUME | 02-01-2002 01:57 PM |
subaru still markets fwd cars in other markets.
| Irvine Subaru | 02-01-2002 02:10 PM |
I was referring to the US cars... oops. I forgot to add that bit.
Ryan
Ryan
| johnfelstead | 02-01-2002 06:05 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TimStevens [/i]
[B]Can subaru's drift !!?? :eek:
This car holds the world record for drifting, a sustained drift of 2 hours and 11 minutes:
[IMG]http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/images/WorldRecordScoob.jpg[/IMG]
So, yeah, they can drift :)
-tim [/B][/QUOTE]
You missed the 18 seconds!!!!!! we worked damn hard for those 18 seconds!!!!!! :D:lol:
[B]Can subaru's drift !!?? :eek:
This car holds the world record for drifting, a sustained drift of 2 hours and 11 minutes:
[IMG]http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/images/WorldRecordScoob.jpg[/IMG]
So, yeah, they can drift :)
-tim [/B][/QUOTE]
You missed the 18 seconds!!!!!! we worked damn hard for those 18 seconds!!!!!! :D:lol:
| brainrally | 02-01-2002 06:36 PM |
Actually, the Cusco was what I was thinking of. :alien: So none came from the factory as RWD. I just wasn't real certain on that. :confused:
| TimStevens | 02-01-2002 07:17 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]
You missed the 18 seconds!!!!!! we worked damn hard for those 18 seconds!!!!!! :D:lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: Sorry about that... I'll bet the last 18 seconds were the hardest :)
-tim
[B]
You missed the 18 seconds!!!!!! we worked damn hard for those 18 seconds!!!!!! :D:lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: Sorry about that... I'll bet the last 18 seconds were the hardest :)
-tim
| variable | 02-09-2002 07:00 PM |
DRIFT
Ok, so bottom line, how do you drift? Me and my impreza went out to a dirt/pebble parking lot (not great for the paint but we'll get into that some other time) and tried it. Here's my loadout. STOCK. aside from the intake, short shifter, exhaust, strut bar, and super ultra mega handy dandy useful clear corners...(none of which really have anything to do with the suspension except the strut bar). Other than that it's basically stock. I've checked out videos and they're real cool and all but don't answer all the questions. I got my car to drift a little coming around a long, paved turn right at the end of it (probably just coincedence) In the parking lot the only way I could get the back end out in a controlled fashion was by using the Ebrake. Not quite what I had in mind. I'd love to get an LSD but money is obviously an issue (yes yes I know it's going to cost money if I brake something, bother me not with that!) so what I'm I needing to do. I video taped it but I have no way of posting it anywhere allthough it probably won't tell you much anyway. Ack! Suggestions? I've tried just cranking it hard, but I just slide forward with the front wheels turned... looks pretty stupid on video.
| Freeskier | 02-09-2002 08:01 PM |
What you are experiencing is called understeer. I'm not an expert but i'll explain as much as i can.
Basically you should go out and try it again. This time just before you turn your wheels try transfering some of the cars weight to the front by tapping the brakes or something. This will give you more traction in the front and lighten up the rear to help swing it around. Then get back on the throttle and drive it out of the turn.
Another way to transfer the weight (for a left hand turn) is to give a little input on the steering wheel as if you were gonna turn right, this is gonna shift the load onto the left side of the car. Then you can turn left and the weight transfer from the left to the right will help send the car into a slide.
I hope this helps,
Stefan
Basically you should go out and try it again. This time just before you turn your wheels try transfering some of the cars weight to the front by tapping the brakes or something. This will give you more traction in the front and lighten up the rear to help swing it around. Then get back on the throttle and drive it out of the turn.
Another way to transfer the weight (for a left hand turn) is to give a little input on the steering wheel as if you were gonna turn right, this is gonna shift the load onto the left side of the car. Then you can turn left and the weight transfer from the left to the right will help send the car into a slide.
I hope this helps,
Stefan
| stiguy555 | 02-09-2002 10:59 PM |
Whenever it the roads are covered in snow, I always enjoy driving my dad's Ford Ranger. Normally I hate the slow thing, but it really shines in the snow. I find a curvy road covered with packed-down snow, then the rest is easy. The best roads for this are empty roads with speed limits of 25 mph. Using the brakes to initiate the slide works well, especially if thats combined with letting off of the gas quickly. When the tail starts to come around I put about 1/2 full pressure on the gas and simply adjust the steering to go through the slide smoothly. When you need to come out of the turn, slowly counter-steer. Making quick steering adjustments results in upseting the composure of the vehicle. Be smooth, and it will be easy.
Another effective technique is the "Scandanavian Flick". To do this, follow this example.
-Coming into a somewhat sharp left turn, you "jerk" the wheel to the right(about 55-75 degrees), then as soon as possible, jerk the wheel to the left. This will cause a sudden slide, which can then be easily controlled once you are on the desired path.
If a 16-year-old in a truck can do it, an experienced driver in a Impreza can do it!
Another effective technique is the "Scandanavian Flick". To do this, follow this example.
-Coming into a somewhat sharp left turn, you "jerk" the wheel to the right(about 55-75 degrees), then as soon as possible, jerk the wheel to the left. This will cause a sudden slide, which can then be easily controlled once you are on the desired path.
If a 16-year-old in a truck can do it, an experienced driver in a Impreza can do it!
| Kostamojen | 02-10-2002 12:47 AM |
Re: can 4wd drift?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by doodie [/i]
[B]I downloaded a couple of clips, and the imprezza was doing doughnuts and it did a drifting U Turn. I only saw the back wheels spinning, but isn't the Imprezza a AWD? [/B][/QUOTE]
In fact, AWD drifting is better than RWD drifting :D
[B]I downloaded a couple of clips, and the imprezza was doing doughnuts and it did a drifting U Turn. I only saw the back wheels spinning, but isn't the Imprezza a AWD? [/B][/QUOTE]
In fact, AWD drifting is better than RWD drifting :D
| variable | 02-10-2002 03:23 AM |
How? It seems like it's a lot more difficult. I've been putzing around trying to figure it out since my last post 4-5 hours ago... and tried ebraking (hard to control- plus my hand doesn't seem to want to put the ebrake back down...) I tried playing with how the weight is shifted turning out then in real quick, slowing down suddenly, braking, downshifting. This stuff's hard man! Easy enough off road I guess but my tires didn't like that little bout in the rocky parking lot... in any case how is awd better for drifting, it seems like it's a lot more complicated. My first car I had RWD and could downshift to get the back end out by droping it into gear although I'm sure that was extremely hard on the car, but it certainly got the back end to loose traction...
| eastbaysubaru | 02-10-2002 03:32 AM |
Handbraking isn't that good in an awd vehicle. center diff doesn't like it too much.
-Brian
-Brian
| elgorey | 02-11-2002 01:47 PM |
Im surprised no one has posted this already
[url]http://www.drivingtechniques.co.uk/ShowPage.asp?Activemenu=19&PageID=16[/url]
[url]http://www.drivingtechniques.co.uk/[/url]
:)
[url]http://www.drivingtechniques.co.uk/ShowPage.asp?Activemenu=19&PageID=16[/url]
[url]http://www.drivingtechniques.co.uk/[/url]
:)
| Clement | 02-11-2002 04:08 PM |
Maybe watching the 575ps JUN Evo drift might help a bit? :) Or maybe not...?
1st Drift (external view): [url]http://www.exvitermini.com/movies/junevo0.mpg[/url]
1st Drift (in-car view): [url]http://www.exvitermini.com/movies/junevo1.mpg[/url]
2nd Drift (external view):
[url]http://www.exvitermini.com/movies/junevo2.mpg[/url]
1st Drift (external view): [url]http://www.exvitermini.com/movies/junevo0.mpg[/url]
1st Drift (in-car view): [url]http://www.exvitermini.com/movies/junevo1.mpg[/url]
2nd Drift (external view):
[url]http://www.exvitermini.com/movies/junevo2.mpg[/url]
| variable | 02-11-2002 06:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by elgorey [/i]
[B]Im surprised no one has posted this already
[url]http://www.drivingtechniques.co.uk/ShowPage.asp?Activemenu=19&PageID=16[/url]
[url]http://www.drivingtechniques.co.uk/[/url]
:) [/B][/QUOTE]
I tried that off road and it worked pretty well (just wish it was a legal place to try it.. then I could set up some cones and practice) it's pretty hard on the clutch though. I could smell it after doing it. As for the post with the video links it looks like he cranked it to one side to induce the slide and then compensated for it. My car won't do that. Or more to the point I have nowhere to try it except off road (sorta) and when I try to crank it to one side and then the other the car doesn't have enough traciton to shift the wieght quick enough. I'll attach some MPGs but I need a way to store them online. Any suggestions? Free RELIABLE web apace?
[B]Im surprised no one has posted this already
[url]http://www.drivingtechniques.co.uk/ShowPage.asp?Activemenu=19&PageID=16[/url]
[url]http://www.drivingtechniques.co.uk/[/url]
:) [/B][/QUOTE]
I tried that off road and it worked pretty well (just wish it was a legal place to try it.. then I could set up some cones and practice) it's pretty hard on the clutch though. I could smell it after doing it. As for the post with the video links it looks like he cranked it to one side to induce the slide and then compensated for it. My car won't do that. Or more to the point I have nowhere to try it except off road (sorta) and when I try to crank it to one side and then the other the car doesn't have enough traciton to shift the wieght quick enough. I'll attach some MPGs but I need a way to store them online. Any suggestions? Free RELIABLE web apace?
| ldivinag | 02-13-2002 08:47 PM |
another tip is to turn the wheel to the opposite way just before you turn into the actual direction.
so if you are turning left, just nudge the wheel to the right for about a second or less, then turn back to the left.
if you ever check the pikes peak challenge on espn, with tons of turns as they make that climb, they slide all over the place.
so if you are turning left, just nudge the wheel to the right for about a second or less, then turn back to the left.
if you ever check the pikes peak challenge on espn, with tons of turns as they make that climb, they slide all over the place.
| The Technician | 02-14-2002 08:12 PM |
Someones interested in AWD drifting I see?
Well, being that I am the crazy teenager who drifts his X5, I know a thing or two about AWD.
First off, I wouldn't recomend using the e-brake or the clutch. Both techniques put undue stress on the car, and neither are the best ways of doing it.
The two techniques that will allow an AWD car to drift like you wouldn't believe both rely on weight transfer.
First there is braking. I don't mean braking as in trail braking into a turn, rather I mean using the brakes to shift weight forwards within the vehicle hence giving you more grip at the front and less at the back.
In tandem with this I use a technique that has been mentioned here (though I know it as feint motion).
Approaching a right turn, you turn to the left first, in order to shift weight all the way to the right side of the car, and then turn sharply into the corner.
That weight going from all the way on one side, to all teh way on the other will cause the car to rotate nicely around it's center (rather than around the front wheels, as would result from braking alone).
With these two techniques in tandem, drifting an AWD vehicle (even an X5) is a pleasure. :D
Well, being that I am the crazy teenager who drifts his X5, I know a thing or two about AWD.
First off, I wouldn't recomend using the e-brake or the clutch. Both techniques put undue stress on the car, and neither are the best ways of doing it.
The two techniques that will allow an AWD car to drift like you wouldn't believe both rely on weight transfer.
First there is braking. I don't mean braking as in trail braking into a turn, rather I mean using the brakes to shift weight forwards within the vehicle hence giving you more grip at the front and less at the back.
In tandem with this I use a technique that has been mentioned here (though I know it as feint motion).
Approaching a right turn, you turn to the left first, in order to shift weight all the way to the right side of the car, and then turn sharply into the corner.
That weight going from all the way on one side, to all teh way on the other will cause the car to rotate nicely around it's center (rather than around the front wheels, as would result from braking alone).
With these two techniques in tandem, drifting an AWD vehicle (even an X5) is a pleasure. :D
| variable | 02-14-2002 09:00 PM |
On or off road?
| The Technician | 02-14-2002 09:26 PM |
The techniques apply to both, however I use them on road (dry pavement).
Though for the sake of safety, I'd recomend learning on snow or off-road. Both surfaces allow much greater reaction times than the near instantaneous nature of dry pavement.
Though for the sake of safety, I'd recomend learning on snow or off-road. Both surfaces allow much greater reaction times than the near instantaneous nature of dry pavement.
| d00f | 02-15-2002 11:43 AM |
You can use steering inputs and brakes or steering inputs and throttle too. The more power, the easier to break traction. Personally I think drifting on pavement is a good way to ruin your car.
-Michael
-Michael
| variable | 02-15-2002 02:18 PM |
I would imagine that drifting at all is a good way to ruin your car, or at least your tires...:D
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