| steve_d | 02-23-2003 02:55 PM |
CART race. talk here...
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Thoroughly entertaining...
I really like the lack of traction control...they're drifting soooo much now.
I think it's gonna be a good year.
sjd
I really like the lack of traction control...they're drifting soooo much now.
I think it's gonna be a good year.
sjd
| KevinWRX | 02-23-2003 03:01 PM |
Its on?? what channel?
| Brett555 | 02-23-2003 04:14 PM |
It was on Speed Channel.
Good race, lack of traction control definitely makes things interesting. I was hoping for a closer race, but it was still entertaining.
Good race, lack of traction control definitely makes things interesting. I was hoping for a closer race, but it was still entertaining.
| MGXsport | 02-23-2003 05:20 PM |
That was really cool without the traction control.
I think it was wierd having all one engine manufacturer
I think it was wierd having all one engine manufacturer
| steve_d | 02-23-2003 08:48 PM |
if you're watching...speedvision right now...the replay was to start at 9.
sjd
sjd
| west_aust | 02-23-2003 09:50 PM |
the race was amazing, and without traction control even more
this will be a great season, cant wait for the next race
this will be a great season, cant wait for the next race
| The WoRX | 02-23-2003 09:51 PM |
Great race, not much of a fan of St. Pete, but at least
it is local...:rolleyes:
it is local...:rolleyes:
| Orbiter | 02-24-2003 04:31 AM |
Great way to open the season.
No traction control is definately a winner. Cars were locking up in the braking zones and gettin squirrly all over the place.
Adrian went off on Dominguez after he punted him outta the race.
Haberfield was the big surprise finishing 4th in the reynard. Also caused quite a stirr with his agressive blocking tactics. =|
Rookie sensation Bourdais learned quickly about bad luck after he busted his left rear wheel and suspension.
Gonna be an exciting season.. Love live CART! =|
:disco: :disco: :disco: :disco: :disco:
No traction control is definately a winner. Cars were locking up in the braking zones and gettin squirrly all over the place.
Adrian went off on Dominguez after he punted him outta the race.
Haberfield was the big surprise finishing 4th in the reynard. Also caused quite a stirr with his agressive blocking tactics. =|
Rookie sensation Bourdais learned quickly about bad luck after he busted his left rear wheel and suspension.
Gonna be an exciting season.. Love live CART! =|
:disco: :disco: :disco: :disco: :disco:
| Fred Zaplitny | 02-24-2003 09:22 AM |
The only thing that irritated me was the fact Paul Tracy won. Other than that it was a great race. I knew this would be a great season with so many new faces. I think Haberfield was way out of line (pardon the pun) with his driving tactics. I'm definitely going to make it to a few races this year.
| generator | 02-24-2003 10:07 AM |
I thought it was a great race, really looking forward to the rest of the season! I have to say that I had my doubts about this season and Pook's dorection, but those have now been laid to rest. Can't wait til the Milwaukee Mile!!
| Subie Gal | 02-24-2003 11:14 AM |
THAT was fun to watch!! :)
the guys were really fighting the cars for grip....
really, truly fun to kick back n enjoy....
cheers
Jamie
the guys were really fighting the cars for grip....
really, truly fun to kick back n enjoy....
cheers
Jamie
| Opie | 02-24-2003 11:19 AM |
Cool race, great course...even if it's in St. Petersburg.
Funny thing, there was a big article in Sunday's Tampa Tribune about a bunch of retired "snowbirds" who are down for the winter and were angry because it was so loud! :lol:
This is for you snowbirds!!! :disco: Go home! :p
Funny thing, there was a big article in Sunday's Tampa Tribune about a bunch of retired "snowbirds" who are down for the winter and were angry because it was so loud! :lol:
This is for you snowbirds!!! :disco: Go home! :p
| sdecker | 02-24-2003 01:15 PM |
The removal of traction control definitely spiced it up for me...you could tell the drivers were having a tough time as the turbos spooled up. I have to say it was the most entertaining CART race I've seen in some time.
<hijack>
On a different note, did anyone catch the Trans-Am? I normally like Trans-Am and that's as close to stock car racing as I want to get. However, that silly 'competition yellow' stuff! What's up with that? I'm just not sure that I'm all in favor of that...and I doubt Scott Pruett was liking it much either. What do you folks think?
</hijack>
Scott
<hijack>
On a different note, did anyone catch the Trans-Am? I normally like Trans-Am and that's as close to stock car racing as I want to get. However, that silly 'competition yellow' stuff! What's up with that? I'm just not sure that I'm all in favor of that...and I doubt Scott Pruett was liking it much either. What do you folks think?
</hijack>
Scott
| Bonzo | 02-24-2003 01:45 PM |
give cart another year along with the steep rising cost in irl and the momentum will be back on cart side. alot of new international names to watch this year.
great show. I also like what cart is doing for our future racers in sponsoring the karting series. Finally someone steps up to that plate.
great show. I also like what cart is doing for our future racers in sponsoring the karting series. Finally someone steps up to that plate.
| Orion | 02-24-2003 02:00 PM |
I may be the only one that will reply negatively to the race. I think CART should have taken immediate action on Haberfeld for pulling that BS. Not only was he jeopardizeing himself and Junqueira, but they almost took out another car that was in the PROPER line for the turn.
They really are grasping for anything to stir up interest. There's no sponsors left ('Jimmy' and 'Ryan' were quite cheesy IMHO), half the field are rookies that quite honestly should not be at that level yet, and the aforementioned lax enforcement of dangerous driving.
Now don't get me wrong, it was MUCH improved over the few races I have seen in the last 2-3 years. No traction control was sweet, and I kinda liked the street course. As much as I despised CART since the TMS incident, I will say they're improving. I'll give it a few more races to see if they have me back as a fan, but if idiot rookies are gonna continue to drive like morons, I won't bother.
I can't wiat to see the IRL opener this week. I really do believe there's room for both if they market it right and quit pointing fingers. Open wheel oval racing is as American as Baseball and Apple Pie. CART needs to let IRL run that show and focus on road/street courses and possibly take over for F3000. I think they'd be better off that way and I would truly be more interested.
They really are grasping for anything to stir up interest. There's no sponsors left ('Jimmy' and 'Ryan' were quite cheesy IMHO), half the field are rookies that quite honestly should not be at that level yet, and the aforementioned lax enforcement of dangerous driving.
Now don't get me wrong, it was MUCH improved over the few races I have seen in the last 2-3 years. No traction control was sweet, and I kinda liked the street course. As much as I despised CART since the TMS incident, I will say they're improving. I'll give it a few more races to see if they have me back as a fan, but if idiot rookies are gonna continue to drive like morons, I won't bother.
I can't wiat to see the IRL opener this week. I really do believe there's room for both if they market it right and quit pointing fingers. Open wheel oval racing is as American as Baseball and Apple Pie. CART needs to let IRL run that show and focus on road/street courses and possibly take over for F3000. I think they'd be better off that way and I would truly be more interested.
| sdecker | 02-24-2003 04:04 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orion [/i]
[B]I may be the only one that will reply negatively to the race. I think CART should have taken immediate action on Haberfeld for pulling that BS. Not only was he jeopardizeing himself and Junqueira, but they almost took out another car that was in the PROPER line for the turn.
They really are grasping for anything to stir up interest. There's no sponsors left ('Jimmy' and 'Ryan' were quite cheesy IMHO), half the field are rookies that quite honestly should not be at that level yet, and the aforementioned lax enforcement of dangerous driving.
Now don't get me wrong, it was MUCH improved over the few races I have seen in the last 2-3 years. No traction control was sweet, and I kinda liked the street course. As much as I despised CART since the TMS incident, I will say they're improving. I'll give it a few more races to see if they have me back as a fan, but if idiot rookies are gonna continue to drive like morons, I won't bother.
I can't wiat to see the IRL opener this week. I really do believe there's room for both if they market it right and quit pointing fingers. Open wheel oval racing is as American as Baseball and Apple Pie. CART needs to let IRL run that show and focus on road/street courses and possibly take over for F3000. I think they'd be better off that way and I would truly be more interested. [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree on all points. CART should focus on road/street courses.
[B]I may be the only one that will reply negatively to the race. I think CART should have taken immediate action on Haberfeld for pulling that BS. Not only was he jeopardizeing himself and Junqueira, but they almost took out another car that was in the PROPER line for the turn.
They really are grasping for anything to stir up interest. There's no sponsors left ('Jimmy' and 'Ryan' were quite cheesy IMHO), half the field are rookies that quite honestly should not be at that level yet, and the aforementioned lax enforcement of dangerous driving.
Now don't get me wrong, it was MUCH improved over the few races I have seen in the last 2-3 years. No traction control was sweet, and I kinda liked the street course. As much as I despised CART since the TMS incident, I will say they're improving. I'll give it a few more races to see if they have me back as a fan, but if idiot rookies are gonna continue to drive like morons, I won't bother.
I can't wiat to see the IRL opener this week. I really do believe there's room for both if they market it right and quit pointing fingers. Open wheel oval racing is as American as Baseball and Apple Pie. CART needs to let IRL run that show and focus on road/street courses and possibly take over for F3000. I think they'd be better off that way and I would truly be more interested. [/B][/QUOTE]
I agree on all points. CART should focus on road/street courses.
| lstepnio | 02-24-2003 04:13 PM |
I was lucky enough to end up working as a flagger on the Saturday events in St. Petersburg. Needless for me to say it was a blast and I had a really good group of SCCA people showing me the ropes my first time out flagging at a major Pro event like this.
No traction control + me 2 feet away on the other side of the wall = :eek:
I decided just to enjoy the races on Sunday after getting my butt kicked all day on Saturday standing on my feet for 12 hours without much of a break.
I took this pictures of the big finish for the CART race on Sunday:
[img]http://www.majjix.com/gallery/albums/album24/DCP02960.sized.jpg[/img]
Simply amazing!
more pictures(3 pages) mostly from Sunday here:
[url]http://www.majjix.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album24[/url]
No traction control + me 2 feet away on the other side of the wall = :eek:
I decided just to enjoy the races on Sunday after getting my butt kicked all day on Saturday standing on my feet for 12 hours without much of a break.
I took this pictures of the big finish for the CART race on Sunday:
[img]http://www.majjix.com/gallery/albums/album24/DCP02960.sized.jpg[/img]
Simply amazing!
more pictures(3 pages) mostly from Sunday here:
[url]http://www.majjix.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album24[/url]
| Fred Zaplitny | 02-24-2003 04:51 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orion [/i]
[B]I may be the only one that will reply negatively to the race. I think CART should have taken immediate action on Haberfeld for pulling that BS. Not only was he jeopardizeing himself and Junqueira, but they almost took out another car that was in the PROPER line for the turn.
They really are grasping for anything to stir up interest. There's no sponsors left ('Jimmy' and 'Ryan' were quite cheesy IMHO), half the field are rookies that quite honestly should not be at that level yet, and the aforementioned lax enforcement of dangerous driving.
Now don't get me wrong, it was MUCH improved over the few races I have seen in the last 2-3 years. No traction control was sweet, and I kinda liked the street course. As much as I despised CART since the TMS incident, I will say they're improving. I'll give it a few more races to see if they have me back as a fan, but if idiot rookies are gonna continue to drive like morons, I won't bother.
I can't wiat to see the IRL opener this week. I really do believe there's room for both if they market it right and quit pointing fingers. Open wheel oval racing is as American as Baseball and Apple Pie. CART needs to let IRL run that show and focus on road/street courses and possibly take over for F3000. I think they'd be better off that way and I would truly be more interested. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hmm. First you say the rookies shouldn't be running at that level yet, then you go on to say CART should take over for F3000 which is considered a lower level of racing than CART.
I don't get it man.
[B]I may be the only one that will reply negatively to the race. I think CART should have taken immediate action on Haberfeld for pulling that BS. Not only was he jeopardizeing himself and Junqueira, but they almost took out another car that was in the PROPER line for the turn.
They really are grasping for anything to stir up interest. There's no sponsors left ('Jimmy' and 'Ryan' were quite cheesy IMHO), half the field are rookies that quite honestly should not be at that level yet, and the aforementioned lax enforcement of dangerous driving.
Now don't get me wrong, it was MUCH improved over the few races I have seen in the last 2-3 years. No traction control was sweet, and I kinda liked the street course. As much as I despised CART since the TMS incident, I will say they're improving. I'll give it a few more races to see if they have me back as a fan, but if idiot rookies are gonna continue to drive like morons, I won't bother.
I can't wiat to see the IRL opener this week. I really do believe there's room for both if they market it right and quit pointing fingers. Open wheel oval racing is as American as Baseball and Apple Pie. CART needs to let IRL run that show and focus on road/street courses and possibly take over for F3000. I think they'd be better off that way and I would truly be more interested. [/B][/QUOTE]
Hmm. First you say the rookies shouldn't be running at that level yet, then you go on to say CART should take over for F3000 which is considered a lower level of racing than CART.
I don't get it man.
| Orion | 02-24-2003 05:10 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fred Zaplitny [/i]
[B]
Hmm. First you say the rookies shouldn't be running at that level yet, then you go on to say CART should take over for F3000 which is considered a lower level of racing than CART.
I don't get it man. [/B][/QUOTE]
After re-reading my post I see your point.
I didn't mean all the rookies. Bourdais certainly showed he belongs there, Monteiro and a few others clearly did not.
Maybe this will clarify it a little:
I think if CART took it upon themselves to replace F3000, we'd see a better following than what we have now. If it means taking a 'step down' to F3000's level then so be it. I've seen much smarter drivers in F3000 competition than I saw this weekend. As long as drivers that really have nowhere (up) to go like Tracy, Vasser, Fernandez, and Moreno stick around they'll have to compete with the IRL here. I just don't see that as a good foundation for series growth.
A clean slate would do CART good.
[B]
Hmm. First you say the rookies shouldn't be running at that level yet, then you go on to say CART should take over for F3000 which is considered a lower level of racing than CART.
I don't get it man. [/B][/QUOTE]
After re-reading my post I see your point.
I didn't mean all the rookies. Bourdais certainly showed he belongs there, Monteiro and a few others clearly did not.
Maybe this will clarify it a little:
I think if CART took it upon themselves to replace F3000, we'd see a better following than what we have now. If it means taking a 'step down' to F3000's level then so be it. I've seen much smarter drivers in F3000 competition than I saw this weekend. As long as drivers that really have nowhere (up) to go like Tracy, Vasser, Fernandez, and Moreno stick around they'll have to compete with the IRL here. I just don't see that as a good foundation for series growth.
A clean slate would do CART good.
| Orbiter | 02-24-2003 06:11 PM |
I have to disagree with you Orion...
True Cart fans who have been with the series back in its glory days will know that really only 1 series will survive. And it will be Cart.
First of all Cart would never replace f3000. In fact we might not even seen f3000 very soon as there is really no need for it anymore. Most drivers going to F1 come out of TWS, formula renault, formula ford and cart.
You are being too hard on these rookies. This was their first race and they all did well. If anything Bourdais was the one who lost big time after smacking up his rear left.
first of all i dunno what all the fuss is about with that Haberfield move. Both of those guys missed their braking zones and thats why they almost ended up crashing into Servia i think it was. But either way Bruno still had lots of room on his right hand side. ppl want to see excitment and thats what was given.. Schumacher made the same sort of block last year.. cant remember what track. Everyone loved that...
Cart doesnt need to stick to road racing. .cart needs to stay diverse with its temp street circuits, perm road coarses and ovals. Cart has international appearl. Cart has international drivers. Cart makes right hand turns! =)
IRL will die soon.. TG can take his nails and seal his own coffin. IRL races at all NASCAR tracks. Fans arent going to go see both.. they will pick one.. and it will be NASCAR. Only thing IRL has going for it still is indy..
There really isnt enough fanbase for 2 open wheel series in NA. Cart will come out on top. Wait till 2005.. Closer ties to F1 and Bernie will only see great benefits for both series.. NA v10s coming.. engine manufacturers coming back.. all the irl defecto's will want to be back as well.
p.s. rookies shouldnt be running at this level??? how do you get drivers in the door if you dont have rookies? These may be rookies to the champ car series maybe but they have gobs of international experience. I remember Juan Pablo was once a rookie in Cart.. look where he is now..
True Cart fans who have been with the series back in its glory days will know that really only 1 series will survive. And it will be Cart.
First of all Cart would never replace f3000. In fact we might not even seen f3000 very soon as there is really no need for it anymore. Most drivers going to F1 come out of TWS, formula renault, formula ford and cart.
You are being too hard on these rookies. This was their first race and they all did well. If anything Bourdais was the one who lost big time after smacking up his rear left.
first of all i dunno what all the fuss is about with that Haberfield move. Both of those guys missed their braking zones and thats why they almost ended up crashing into Servia i think it was. But either way Bruno still had lots of room on his right hand side. ppl want to see excitment and thats what was given.. Schumacher made the same sort of block last year.. cant remember what track. Everyone loved that...
Cart doesnt need to stick to road racing. .cart needs to stay diverse with its temp street circuits, perm road coarses and ovals. Cart has international appearl. Cart has international drivers. Cart makes right hand turns! =)
IRL will die soon.. TG can take his nails and seal his own coffin. IRL races at all NASCAR tracks. Fans arent going to go see both.. they will pick one.. and it will be NASCAR. Only thing IRL has going for it still is indy..
There really isnt enough fanbase for 2 open wheel series in NA. Cart will come out on top. Wait till 2005.. Closer ties to F1 and Bernie will only see great benefits for both series.. NA v10s coming.. engine manufacturers coming back.. all the irl defecto's will want to be back as well.
p.s. rookies shouldnt be running at this level??? how do you get drivers in the door if you dont have rookies? These may be rookies to the champ car series maybe but they have gobs of international experience. I remember Juan Pablo was once a rookie in Cart.. look where he is now..
| Orion | 02-24-2003 06:25 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orbiter [/i]
[B]
p.s. rookies shouldnt be running at this level??? how do you get drivers in the door if you dont have rookies? These may be rookies to the champ car series maybe but they have gobs of international experience. I remember Juan Pablo was once a rookie in Cart.. look where he is now.. [/B][/QUOTE]
Once again, I didn't mean ALL the rookies.
[QUOTE]True Cart fans who have been with the series back in its glory days will know that really only 1 series will survive. And it will be Cart....
...Only thing IRL has going for it still is indy.. [/QUOTE]
As long as the Indy 500 is around there will be an IRL. It's not going anywhere anytime soon, that's for sure. I know the diehard CART fans hate to hear it, let alone admit it.
I lost alot of respect for both when the split happened, but I think they are both in a better place today. You as a CART fan want to only see 1 open wheel series survive, but I as a RACE FAN want to see both.
[B]
p.s. rookies shouldnt be running at this level??? how do you get drivers in the door if you dont have rookies? These may be rookies to the champ car series maybe but they have gobs of international experience. I remember Juan Pablo was once a rookie in Cart.. look where he is now.. [/B][/QUOTE]
Once again, I didn't mean ALL the rookies.
[QUOTE]True Cart fans who have been with the series back in its glory days will know that really only 1 series will survive. And it will be Cart....
...Only thing IRL has going for it still is indy.. [/QUOTE]
As long as the Indy 500 is around there will be an IRL. It's not going anywhere anytime soon, that's for sure. I know the diehard CART fans hate to hear it, let alone admit it.
I lost alot of respect for both when the split happened, but I think they are both in a better place today. You as a CART fan want to only see 1 open wheel series survive, but I as a RACE FAN want to see both.
| west_aust | 02-24-2003 07:25 PM |
Cart is having a great product for this year
rookies at the end didnt do worst than lots of experienced drivers
as for the jimmy and ryan thing on the american spirit team johanson, as long as the team got money to run the whole season, i dont really mind what's written on the car
and irl isnt much better this year, your gonna tell me the tomas "hit the wall" schekter is better than mario haberfeld or tiago monteiro
rookies at the end didnt do worst than lots of experienced drivers
as for the jimmy and ryan thing on the american spirit team johanson, as long as the team got money to run the whole season, i dont really mind what's written on the car
and irl isnt much better this year, your gonna tell me the tomas "hit the wall" schekter is better than mario haberfeld or tiago monteiro
| Orion | 02-24-2003 10:49 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by west_aust [/i]
[B]
and irl isnt much better this year, your gonna tell me the tomas "hit the wall" schekter is better than mario haberfeld or tiago monteiro [/B][/QUOTE]
Schekter doesn't belong in any car IMHO. He's not a rookie anymore, but he still shouldn't be on the track. That's some of the worst driving I've ever seen.:eek:
I can't believe Ganassi actually signed the kid.
[B]
and irl isnt much better this year, your gonna tell me the tomas "hit the wall" schekter is better than mario haberfeld or tiago monteiro [/B][/QUOTE]
Schekter doesn't belong in any car IMHO. He's not a rookie anymore, but he still shouldn't be on the track. That's some of the worst driving I've ever seen.:eek:
I can't believe Ganassi actually signed the kid.
| AndyRoo | 02-24-2003 11:03 PM |
damn i wish i could have seen this. sounds very exciting.
| steve_d | 02-25-2003 07:51 AM |
wow...lit a fire here.
1. haberfield was out of line running junquiera to the wall...there should have been more than just a warning...a stop and go at least. (He was driving with his mirrors all day)
2. IRL V. CART...The IRL provides some VERY exciting racing. I'm not a fan, but it's a great show. CART provides some good racing as well. I don't think it will die, the investors need to realize what they have....if it is on the rebound, you could make a killing on CART stock. (It is publicly owned IIRC)
3. Tomas Scheckter...When he hit the wall at indy in front of everyone and his dad Jody Scheckter (famous Tyrell driver) his dad must have thought "He WOULD have made the turn if he'd only had 2 more wheels in front...jeez. (6 wheel tyrell reference)" I think he's a good driver, just hit or miss...nothing wrong with that as long as you have spare cars.
4. As for all the rookies...it's great. it adds hunger, and there's more excitement because of errors... (ryan hunter reay popping the wall), I don't know where they dug up roberto moreno, but it's good to see him again.
that's if for now...
steve
1. haberfield was out of line running junquiera to the wall...there should have been more than just a warning...a stop and go at least. (He was driving with his mirrors all day)
2. IRL V. CART...The IRL provides some VERY exciting racing. I'm not a fan, but it's a great show. CART provides some good racing as well. I don't think it will die, the investors need to realize what they have....if it is on the rebound, you could make a killing on CART stock. (It is publicly owned IIRC)
3. Tomas Scheckter...When he hit the wall at indy in front of everyone and his dad Jody Scheckter (famous Tyrell driver) his dad must have thought "He WOULD have made the turn if he'd only had 2 more wheels in front...jeez. (6 wheel tyrell reference)" I think he's a good driver, just hit or miss...nothing wrong with that as long as you have spare cars.
4. As for all the rookies...it's great. it adds hunger, and there's more excitement because of errors... (ryan hunter reay popping the wall), I don't know where they dug up roberto moreno, but it's good to see him again.
that's if for now...
steve
| MGXsport | 02-25-2003 12:19 PM |
I hope more teams jump back over to the CART side. I didn't like how small the field was, 19 or something like that?
| Orbiter | 02-26-2003 03:20 AM |
actually 19 cars is quite amazing considering half the field was gone (defected to irl or had no sponsors).
expect 22 or so cars by long beach as well as a handful of single race entries during the euro swing..
expect 22 or so cars by long beach as well as a handful of single race entries during the euro swing..
| MGXsport | 02-26-2003 03:01 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orbiter [/i]
[B]actually 19 cars is quite amazing considering half the field was gone (defected to irl or had no sponsors).
expect 22 or so cars by long beach as well as a handful of single race entries during the euro swing.. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah I know.
I remember going to Vancouver when IRL/CART was a single unit. Those were the fairly large fields.
Watching these CART races has got me wanting some Papyrus racing sims. Oh Those were the days!
[B]actually 19 cars is quite amazing considering half the field was gone (defected to irl or had no sponsors).
expect 22 or so cars by long beach as well as a handful of single race entries during the euro swing.. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah I know.
I remember going to Vancouver when IRL/CART was a single unit. Those were the fairly large fields.
Watching these CART races has got me wanting some Papyrus racing sims. Oh Those were the days!
| west_aust | 02-26-2003 08:56 PM |
well f1 doest have much many cars this year (20) and its border line
irl is looking around 22 cars for most of the races, it's a chance ganassi(2), andretti(3), mo nunn(2), fernandez(1) and rahal(1) entered cars in irl, or they would have that many cars
cart loss 9 cars, irl gained 7 of them (mo nunn and ganassi already had 1 car each)
irl is looking around 22 cars for most of the races, it's a chance ganassi(2), andretti(3), mo nunn(2), fernandez(1) and rahal(1) entered cars in irl, or they would have that many cars
cart loss 9 cars, irl gained 7 of them (mo nunn and ganassi already had 1 car each)
| GarySheehan | 02-27-2003 05:09 AM |
Um, am I the only one in the whole country that thinks Haberfield was absolutely justified in what he did?!
Take another look at the video. From what I saw, Haberfield started going to the inside before Bruno came out from behind him. Haberfield continued to go towards the wall and Bruno had popped out to the right, but was still behind him. Haberfield continued to the right and Bruno CHOSE to continue a pass attempt on the right. For several seconds as Haberfield was moving to the right, Bruno could still have swung back to the left for an outside pass as he was still behind him.
Check it again. I think the commentators blew it way out of proportion.
Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
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Take another look at the video. From what I saw, Haberfield started going to the inside before Bruno came out from behind him. Haberfield continued to go towards the wall and Bruno had popped out to the right, but was still behind him. Haberfield continued to the right and Bruno CHOSE to continue a pass attempt on the right. For several seconds as Haberfield was moving to the right, Bruno could still have swung back to the left for an outside pass as he was still behind him.
Check it again. I think the commentators blew it way out of proportion.
Gary
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| Bonzo | 02-27-2003 01:52 PM |
I hope I can see this in a replay.
One simple question can be asked here. Gary I think you eluded to it.
Who was ahead?
Car in front has the right of way. Pure and simple.
I find the commentators rarely hit the mark on what happens on track. They have too many things going on in the booth to make the call. Half the time they miss very obvious events cuz they simply were'nt watching.
One simple question can be asked here. Gary I think you eluded to it.
Who was ahead?
Car in front has the right of way. Pure and simple.
I find the commentators rarely hit the mark on what happens on track. They have too many things going on in the booth to make the call. Half the time they miss very obvious events cuz they simply were'nt watching.
| Orbiter | 02-28-2003 05:11 AM |
i dont think u want anymore than 22-23 cars anyways. too many accidents if there are anymore cars then that..
gary i agree with you.. the move was nothing too crazy and bruno still had lots of room left before hitting the pit wall. i thought he was just being a big baby about it.. not use to these new young guns with their crazy blocking tactics.. this season will be interesting indeed as haberfield had even crazier moves last year in F3000!
gary i agree with you.. the move was nothing too crazy and bruno still had lots of room left before hitting the pit wall. i thought he was just being a big baby about it.. not use to these new young guns with their crazy blocking tactics.. this season will be interesting indeed as haberfield had even crazier moves last year in F3000!
| steve_d | 02-28-2003 10:29 AM |
It doesn't make a difference to me if haberfeld was in the good or not. it is a controversial discussion topic. People are talking about it and CART. Good for CART for calling the shots they did.
Please don't sell to Bernie Ec....please.
sjd
Please don't sell to Bernie Ec....please.
sjd
| OnTheGas | 03-03-2003 12:08 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GarySheehan [/i]
[B]Um, am I the only one in the whole country that thinks Haberfield was absolutely justified in what he did?![/B][/QUOTE]No, I'm with ya on this one, Gary. Haberfield gave Bruno a real education... Haberfield was ahead, he gets one defensive move, so he moves to one car width off of the inside wall... Bruno wants the inside line even though Haberfield takes the line away early.
Bruno needed to swing back outside of Haberfield, because Haberfield is not allowed to respond (only 1 defensive move). Bruno would have probably found more traction on the outside, and if Haberfield responds w/another defensive move, he gets a penalty.
Haberfield impressed me as a smart, hard-nosed driver who knows the rules.
[B]Um, am I the only one in the whole country that thinks Haberfield was absolutely justified in what he did?![/B][/QUOTE]No, I'm with ya on this one, Gary. Haberfield gave Bruno a real education... Haberfield was ahead, he gets one defensive move, so he moves to one car width off of the inside wall... Bruno wants the inside line even though Haberfield takes the line away early.
Bruno needed to swing back outside of Haberfield, because Haberfield is not allowed to respond (only 1 defensive move). Bruno would have probably found more traction on the outside, and if Haberfield responds w/another defensive move, he gets a penalty.
Haberfield impressed me as a smart, hard-nosed driver who knows the rules.
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