| AshyLarry | 01-17-2007 01:32 PM |
Street Prepared and cats etc...
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Hey, last season I ran no-cats in STX but this year I want to play by the rules in hopes of maybe actually doing well. I've read the 07 rulebook but wanted to clarify a few things. I can run catless in D/ESP right? Also, are there any limits on wheel width for awd? I want to run 17x8.5 Advans on 245/255s. I'm still undecided if I'm going to go get my ass kicked in sp but I don't want to add a Cat to my car, I like it too much the way it is. What do you guys think?
| Fogrider | 01-17-2007 01:48 PM |
According to the sticky:[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174189[/url]
No cats required, wheels any size and offset, tires any size but DOT-rated required in SP. STU has no wheel width limit but limits tires to 245 max and wear-rating of 140 minimal and you need at least one cat.
No cats required, wheels any size and offset, tires any size but DOT-rated required in SP. STU has no wheel width limit but limits tires to 245 max and wear-rating of 140 minimal and you need at least one cat.
| Storm | 01-17-2007 01:59 PM |
Correct. You may run cat-less or sans-exhaust provided it exits past the driver. Any wheel and any size tire with a DOT molded into it.
| AshyLarry | 01-17-2007 02:12 PM |
Good, I really want to be in STX because for my region its my only chance at being competitive, but I don't want to change my current exhaust setup. Does anyone here run ESP with a wrx? I see Rs's in DSP but never any wrx's in my area, everyone seems to DS or SM...
| Scooby South | 01-17-2007 02:39 PM |
Street prepared is a good fit for a stage 2+ car....
Basic Street Prepared creed:....;)
-No turbo Swap
-No cats required
-Bigger TMIC
-Fuel pump can be swapped
-intake manifold can be swapped
-Boost is unlimited
-you can actually build the bottom end of the motor with forged pistons..
-Suspension is open (coilovers, swaybars etc)
-r compounds are open to whatever size you can stuff under the car
-same with rim size...
Car is fairly competive in Street prepared trim
for ESP...Mustang and Camaro folks "HATE" when a decently prepared WRX shows up
Fun, Close competition and probably more mods than you have money;)
Bill
Basic Street Prepared creed:....;)
-No turbo Swap
-No cats required
-Bigger TMIC
-Fuel pump can be swapped
-intake manifold can be swapped
-Boost is unlimited
-you can actually build the bottom end of the motor with forged pistons..
-Suspension is open (coilovers, swaybars etc)
-r compounds are open to whatever size you can stuff under the car
-same with rim size...
Car is fairly competive in Street prepared trim
for ESP...Mustang and Camaro folks "HATE" when a decently prepared WRX shows up
Fun, Close competition and probably more mods than you have money;)
Bill
| AshyLarry | 01-17-2007 02:51 PM |
^ Thanks for the info! I think I'm going to try it out this year and see how I do, and you're right, definetly more mods than I can afford to do!
I only know of maybe 1 other person who competes ESP in FLR Region, a Camaro SS convert who is usually pretty fast, maybe he'll appreciate some competition...
I only know of maybe 1 other person who competes ESP in FLR Region, a Camaro SS convert who is usually pretty fast, maybe he'll appreciate some competition...
| Warp3 | 01-17-2007 03:56 PM |
[QUOTE=Scooby South;16701732]-you can actually build the bottom end of the motor with forged pistons..[/QUOTE]
...but only if they are the same dimensions as stock and weigh at least as much as the stock ones. :)
[i]15.10.Q: {...} Cast or forged, non-stock pistons of the same dimensions and configuration
as original equipment pistons may be used. Additionally the
replacement pistons must be of the same weight or greater as the
original equipment pistons. Replacement pistons must match OE
piston configuration exactly including quench area. The allowance
for the use of aftermarket forgings vs. OE castings does not
permit alternate piston dome designs. This allowance does not
permit alternative ring configurations.[/i]
...but only if they are the same dimensions as stock and weigh at least as much as the stock ones. :)
[i]15.10.Q: {...} Cast or forged, non-stock pistons of the same dimensions and configuration
as original equipment pistons may be used. Additionally the
replacement pistons must be of the same weight or greater as the
original equipment pistons. Replacement pistons must match OE
piston configuration exactly including quench area. The allowance
for the use of aftermarket forgings vs. OE castings does not
permit alternate piston dome designs. This allowance does not
permit alternative ring configurations.[/i]
| crystalhelix | 01-17-2007 04:24 PM |
larry - there is a couple threads on the WRX making it ESP...for serious competition...
locally we have an ESP wagon and he does well, he won the class for the 2006 season...(on my old suspension, lol)
locally we have an ESP wagon and he does well, he won the class for the 2006 season...(on my old suspension, lol)
| Scooby South | 01-17-2007 04:26 PM |
[QUOTE=Warp3;16703056]...but only if they are the same dimensions as stock and weigh at least as much as the stock ones. :)
[i]15.10.Q: {...} Cast or forged, non-stock pistons of the same dimensions and configuration
as original equipment pistons may be used. Additionally the
replacement pistons must be of the same weight or greater as the
original equipment pistons. Replacement pistons must match OE
piston configuration exactly including quench area. The allowance
for the use of aftermarket forgings vs. OE castings does not
permit alternate piston dome designs. This allowance does not
permit alternative ring configurations.[/i][/QUOTE]
correct...:)...Hey Shane..are you going to grace the Valdosta tour event with your presence...:)
Bill
[i]15.10.Q: {...} Cast or forged, non-stock pistons of the same dimensions and configuration
as original equipment pistons may be used. Additionally the
replacement pistons must be of the same weight or greater as the
original equipment pistons. Replacement pistons must match OE
piston configuration exactly including quench area. The allowance
for the use of aftermarket forgings vs. OE castings does not
permit alternate piston dome designs. This allowance does not
permit alternative ring configurations.[/i][/QUOTE]
correct...:)...Hey Shane..are you going to grace the Valdosta tour event with your presence...:)
Bill
| Warp3 | 01-17-2007 05:05 PM |
[QUOTE=Scooby South;16703519]correct...:)...Hey Shane..are you going to grace the Valdosta tour event with your presence...:)
Bill[/QUOTE]
Depends on how prepped the WRX is by that point. Prepping the MR2 for Track Trials has been sucking my credit card dry for all the safety equipment. :lol:
If I at least have some DOTs and a front bar by then I may make the trip down there. :)
Bill[/QUOTE]
Depends on how prepped the WRX is by that point. Prepping the MR2 for Track Trials has been sucking my credit card dry for all the safety equipment. :lol:
If I at least have some DOTs and a front bar by then I may make the trip down there. :)
| Fogrider | 01-17-2007 09:56 PM |
AshyLarry,
If you intend to run SP this season, I would suggest that R-compounds will be helpful, to say the least. Is going catless really that important that you will put yourself in such a different class? If it is, that's fine.
2007 PAX's: ESP= 0.834 STX=0.808 STU=0.821 SM=0.856
With 245's on an 8" rim and a cat, you would meet STX criteria for the variables discussed. 8.5" rim and you are STU on 245's with a cat.
It boils down to where do you want to play, what do you want to play with, and if you wish to be competitive, where will you be limited by budget?
Good luck and have fun!
If you intend to run SP this season, I would suggest that R-compounds will be helpful, to say the least. Is going catless really that important that you will put yourself in such a different class? If it is, that's fine.
2007 PAX's: ESP= 0.834 STX=0.808 STU=0.821 SM=0.856
With 245's on an 8" rim and a cat, you would meet STX criteria for the variables discussed. 8.5" rim and you are STU on 245's with a cat.
It boils down to where do you want to play, what do you want to play with, and if you wish to be competitive, where will you be limited by budget?
Good luck and have fun!
| BIGSKYWRX | 01-17-2007 10:50 PM |
might have already considered this, but you can run a "race" cat- they are pretty high flowing any more
this is just one of many
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this is just one of many
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| waktasz | 01-18-2007 09:11 AM |
ESP is the way to go. I ran STU last year but really wanted to go 'stage 2' on my car and run big arse tires...so ESP here I come.
| AshyLarry | 01-18-2007 11:26 AM |
[QUOTE=Fogrider;16708093]AshyLarry,
If you intend to run SP this season, I would suggest that R-compounds will be helpful, to say the least. Is going catless really that important that you will put yourself in such a different class? If it is, that's fine.
2007 PAX's: ESP= 0.834 STX=0.808 STU=0.821 SM=0.856
With 245's on an 8" rim and a cat, you would meet STX criteria for the variables discussed. 8.5" rim and you are STU on 245's with a cat.
It boils down to where do you want to play, what do you want to play with, and if you wish to be competitive, where will you be limited by budget?
Good luck and have fun![/QUOTE]
What I think it comes down to for me is that my car is driven 50 miles a day almost everyday which means that the majority of my time is not spent racing. Therefore I want to be realistic and set up the car for how I like it on the street, but also so that it will perform well on Sundays. The problem really then is that the rules for STX just don't allow for me to have the car the way I enjoy it everyday. At this point becoming a consistent driver is most important so ESP will probably be the place I'll play this year. If I do improve my driving skills though and find that its the car that is keeping me from being competitive then I might reconsider and prep the car more for STX.
Thanks for all the advice guys.
If you intend to run SP this season, I would suggest that R-compounds will be helpful, to say the least. Is going catless really that important that you will put yourself in such a different class? If it is, that's fine.
2007 PAX's: ESP= 0.834 STX=0.808 STU=0.821 SM=0.856
With 245's on an 8" rim and a cat, you would meet STX criteria for the variables discussed. 8.5" rim and you are STU on 245's with a cat.
It boils down to where do you want to play, what do you want to play with, and if you wish to be competitive, where will you be limited by budget?
Good luck and have fun![/QUOTE]
What I think it comes down to for me is that my car is driven 50 miles a day almost everyday which means that the majority of my time is not spent racing. Therefore I want to be realistic and set up the car for how I like it on the street, but also so that it will perform well on Sundays. The problem really then is that the rules for STX just don't allow for me to have the car the way I enjoy it everyday. At this point becoming a consistent driver is most important so ESP will probably be the place I'll play this year. If I do improve my driving skills though and find that its the car that is keeping me from being competitive then I might reconsider and prep the car more for STX.
Thanks for all the advice guys.
| Fogrider | 01-18-2007 03:24 PM |
[QUOTE=AshyLarry;16714214]What I think it comes down to for me is that my car is driven 50 miles a day almost everyday which means that the majority of my time is not spent racing. Therefore I want to be realistic and set up the car for how I like it on the street, but also so that it will perform well on Sundays. The problem really then is that the rules for STX just don't allow for me to have the car the way I enjoy it everyday. At this point becoming a consistent driver is most important so ESP will probably be the place I'll play this year. If I do improve my driving skills though and find that its the car that is keeping me from being competitive then I might reconsider and prep the car more for STX.
Thanks for all the advice guys.[/QUOTE]
Your logic is consistent and sensible. Setting things up so you are having fun with your vehicle everyday and at weekend events sounds perfect. Best of luck to you.
Thanks for all the advice guys.[/QUOTE]
Your logic is consistent and sensible. Setting things up so you are having fun with your vehicle everyday and at weekend events sounds perfect. Best of luck to you.
| DrBiggly | 01-18-2007 06:06 PM |
[QUOTE=AshyLarry;16714214]What I think it comes down to for me is that my car is driven 50 miles a day almost everyday which means that the majority of my time is not spent racing. Therefore I want to be realistic and set up the car for how I like it on the street, but also so that it will perform well on Sundays. The problem really then is that the rules for STX just don't allow for me to have the car the way I enjoy it everyday. At this point becoming a consistent driver is most important so ESP will probably be the place I'll play this year. If I do improve my driving skills though and find that its the car that is keeping me from being competitive then I might reconsider and prep the car more for STX.
Thanks for all the advice guys.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for following the rules rather than bitching about it or wanting to run in an illegal class just to be more competitive. Almost all of the threads on here about classing questions bring that out from the original poster; seems like you have a much better attitude than most regarding the compromise between street and autox. :)
-Biggly
Thanks for all the advice guys.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for following the rules rather than bitching about it or wanting to run in an illegal class just to be more competitive. Almost all of the threads on here about classing questions bring that out from the original poster; seems like you have a much better attitude than most regarding the compromise between street and autox. :)
-Biggly
| El Capitan | 01-18-2007 07:03 PM |
Maybe your local club has a street tire PAX class like mine. Then you can run in ESP and not worry about messing with R compounds.
Was going to try STU this year since I just put on a RSB and flashed to stage 1 (Soon to be stage 2... I'd just run the Cobb STU map) but after reading this thread, I think ESP might be better for me as well.
Was going to try STU this year since I just put on a RSB and flashed to stage 1 (Soon to be stage 2... I'd just run the Cobb STU map) but after reading this thread, I think ESP might be better for me as well.
| PhilC | 01-18-2007 08:23 PM |
STi goes to BSP not ESP, at least for this year. Still the way to go if you want to have fun with your daily driver and learn how to drive your car though.
| ratt_finkel | 01-19-2007 03:25 AM |
[QUOTE=El Capitan;16721733]Maybe your local club has a street tire PAX class like mine. Then you can run in ESP and not worry about messing with R compounds.
Was going to try STU this year since I just put on a RSB and flashed to stage 1 (Soon to be stage 2... I'd just run the Cobb STU map) but after reading this thread, I think ESP might be better for me as well.[/QUOTE]
Noooooooooooo!
Why did you go and do that Rob!?!?! I was hoping I could convince you to let me co-drive your car in AS :(
Was going to try STU this year since I just put on a RSB and flashed to stage 1 (Soon to be stage 2... I'd just run the Cobb STU map) but after reading this thread, I think ESP might be better for me as well.[/QUOTE]
Noooooooooooo!
Why did you go and do that Rob!?!?! I was hoping I could convince you to let me co-drive your car in AS :(
| El Capitan | 01-19-2007 09:47 AM |
Oh..OK BSP then. Thank you. I still get confused on the classing.
[quote=ratt_finkel;16726677]Noooooooooooo!
Why did you go and do that Rob!?!?! I was hoping I could convince you to let me co-drive your car in AS :([/quote]
UMMM..oops? :confused: Sorry. You can still co drive the car if you want. I'd love to see a what a good driver can do with as oppsed to my Noobie butt.
At the Subbie Challenge the fact that the rear kept stepping out like it was on ball bearings made want to try and do for the rear end what the big FSB did for the front. I went from tons of push to...well...a pics worth a thousand words...
[IMG]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n317/stcroixrp/STi/Auto-X/STI-Spin-real-small.gif[/IMG]
I was starting to learn how to compensate by using the DCCD to help prevent me from breaking the rears loose to easily, but I figured that was just a bandaid for the larger problem of not being able to keep that inside rear down.
Before the FSB and my alighnment, I would have hit the apex like I was trying and kept right on going straight ahead pushing while exiting. In the pic above, you can see me start to turn in and the rear came right out. It did this all day and I felt like I had to slow way down to get it to track. I always would start to give it gas just before the apex casue it would take a second for the turbo to spool and I hadn't quite gotten confortable with left foot braking.
I need a coach who can watch me and tell me what I'm doing wrong. (IE..."Dam your slow. Drive faster!")
[quote=ratt_finkel;16726677]Noooooooooooo!
Why did you go and do that Rob!?!?! I was hoping I could convince you to let me co-drive your car in AS :([/quote]
UMMM..oops? :confused: Sorry. You can still co drive the car if you want. I'd love to see a what a good driver can do with as oppsed to my Noobie butt.
At the Subbie Challenge the fact that the rear kept stepping out like it was on ball bearings made want to try and do for the rear end what the big FSB did for the front. I went from tons of push to...well...a pics worth a thousand words...
[IMG]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n317/stcroixrp/STi/Auto-X/STI-Spin-real-small.gif[/IMG]
I was starting to learn how to compensate by using the DCCD to help prevent me from breaking the rears loose to easily, but I figured that was just a bandaid for the larger problem of not being able to keep that inside rear down.
Before the FSB and my alighnment, I would have hit the apex like I was trying and kept right on going straight ahead pushing while exiting. In the pic above, you can see me start to turn in and the rear came right out. It did this all day and I felt like I had to slow way down to get it to track. I always would start to give it gas just before the apex casue it would take a second for the turbo to spool and I hadn't quite gotten confortable with left foot braking.
I need a coach who can watch me and tell me what I'm doing wrong. (IE..."Dam your slow. Drive faster!")
| AshyLarry | 01-19-2007 12:07 PM |
[QUOTE=El Capitan;16721733]Maybe your local club has a street tire PAX class like mine. Then you can run in ESP and not worry about messing with R compounds.
Was going to try STU this year since I just put on a RSB and flashed to stage 1 (Soon to be stage 2... I'd just run the Cobb STU map) but after reading this thread, I think ESP might be better for me as well.[/QUOTE]
Actually we do have a Road tire class but it might be tough to break into, its mostly ruled by Stock class cars. I might give it a shot, there plenty of events this year.
Was going to try STU this year since I just put on a RSB and flashed to stage 1 (Soon to be stage 2... I'd just run the Cobb STU map) but after reading this thread, I think ESP might be better for me as well.[/QUOTE]
Actually we do have a Road tire class but it might be tough to break into, its mostly ruled by Stock class cars. I might give it a shot, there plenty of events this year.
| afpdl | 01-19-2007 07:52 PM |
[QUOTE=El Capitan;16728091]
At the Subbie Challenge the fact that the rear kept stepping out like it was on ball bearings made want to try and do for the rear end what the big FSB did for the front. I went from tons of push to...well...a pics worth a thousand words...
I was starting to learn how to compensate by using the DCCD to help prevent me from breaking the rears loose to easily, but I figured that was just a bandaid for the larger problem of not being able to keep that inside rear down.
[/QUOTE]
You are adding a RSB to keep the inside rear down? I may have read it wrong but a RSB is only going to lift the inside rear more, but that doesnt seem to be the issue with your car. Unless you have a half inch of rear toe out there is no reason a stock 06 with a fsb should be undriveably loose.
At the Subbie Challenge the fact that the rear kept stepping out like it was on ball bearings made want to try and do for the rear end what the big FSB did for the front. I went from tons of push to...well...a pics worth a thousand words...
I was starting to learn how to compensate by using the DCCD to help prevent me from breaking the rears loose to easily, but I figured that was just a bandaid for the larger problem of not being able to keep that inside rear down.
[/QUOTE]
You are adding a RSB to keep the inside rear down? I may have read it wrong but a RSB is only going to lift the inside rear more, but that doesnt seem to be the issue with your car. Unless you have a half inch of rear toe out there is no reason a stock 06 with a fsb should be undriveably loose.
| El Capitan | 01-19-2007 08:33 PM |
I didn't want to hijack the thread anymore than it already has and turn this into something that should be posted in the technical area so feel free to PM me your response.
Like I said, I'm a noob a this but for every post I've seen that said what you did, and there many, I can show you another that said the opposite. (See links below) Sometimes there seems to be contradictions in the same thread.
I'm not arguing with you. I'm sure you know more about this subject than me. I'm eager to learn.
Here is my logic...
A anti-roll bar is supposed to limit body roll. My car is picking up (or at least un-weighting) the rear tire to some degree when a sharp turn is made due to the body rolling to the outside. Thus...if you limit the body roll, it won't un-weight the inside tire as much thus allowing that tire to share the load of the vehicle more thus providing more rear grip and thus not over steering as much.
Ok...flame away. I'm pretty thick skinned and am eager to get straightened out on the matter. The Subbie Challenge was the last Auto-X of the season for me so I've been unable to see what kind of impact the RSB made at this point. The next test and tune is in a few months. I'm looking forward to getting out and working through these sorts of things.
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=879235[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1152714[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=203801[/url]
Like I said, I'm a noob a this but for every post I've seen that said what you did, and there many, I can show you another that said the opposite. (See links below) Sometimes there seems to be contradictions in the same thread.
I'm not arguing with you. I'm sure you know more about this subject than me. I'm eager to learn.
Here is my logic...
A anti-roll bar is supposed to limit body roll. My car is picking up (or at least un-weighting) the rear tire to some degree when a sharp turn is made due to the body rolling to the outside. Thus...if you limit the body roll, it won't un-weight the inside tire as much thus allowing that tire to share the load of the vehicle more thus providing more rear grip and thus not over steering as much.
Ok...flame away. I'm pretty thick skinned and am eager to get straightened out on the matter. The Subbie Challenge was the last Auto-X of the season for me so I've been unable to see what kind of impact the RSB made at this point. The next test and tune is in a few months. I'm looking forward to getting out and working through these sorts of things.
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=879235[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1152714[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=203801[/url]
| DrBiggly | 01-19-2007 11:12 PM |
afpdl,
With the '06 the steering angle sensor can make the car loosen up much earlier than an 04 or 05 model given certain amounts of lock. Although I can't imagine why it would be silly loose unless the inputs were just a bit hamfisted or somehow a larger FSB just really threw off the calculations.
El Capitan,
Here is what I would advise as far as figuring out why your car was goofier than you thought it should have been.
1) Check alignment.
2) Check tire pressure.
3) Have Subaru veteran drive car.
Beyond that I do not think I can speculate further; just don't know without being there in person. :)
-Biggly
With the '06 the steering angle sensor can make the car loosen up much earlier than an 04 or 05 model given certain amounts of lock. Although I can't imagine why it would be silly loose unless the inputs were just a bit hamfisted or somehow a larger FSB just really threw off the calculations.
El Capitan,
Here is what I would advise as far as figuring out why your car was goofier than you thought it should have been.
1) Check alignment.
2) Check tire pressure.
3) Have Subaru veteran drive car.
Beyond that I do not think I can speculate further; just don't know without being there in person. :)
-Biggly
| afpdl | 01-19-2007 11:17 PM |
We took it to PM, but I was speaking compared to local a 06 with FSB (not just 04/05s) that is not experiencing massive oversteer problems, but c/o understeer instead. Everything he has told me about the car is that its not as loose as the 04s were, quite fast though.
| KC | 01-20-2007 07:48 AM |
[QUOTE=El Capitan;16736888]I didn't want to hijack the thread anymore than it already has and turn this into something that should be posted in the technical area so feel free to PM me your response.[/QUOTE]If you're discussing technical aspects of handling for motorsport events, this forum is not only fine, you may even get more direct responses from people more versed in what you're trying to get out of your car for a venue. Not everyone goes into the other forums. :)
[QUOTE]Like I said, I'm a noob a this but for every post I've seen that said what you did, and there many, I can show you another that said the opposite. (See links below) Sometimes there seems to be contradictions in the same thread.[/QUOTE]
As far as bars, even in the 1st link...post #7. Larger bars transfer weight to the outside tires faster. Agreed?
When you transfer weight to the other end, what happens? Weight comes OFF the inside, only faster. A stiff bar makes the suspension less independent so the inside tire lifts when weight comes off it.
This becomes more complicated if the front is set up too soft. When you factor in nose dive in a turn, the rear also lifts because the weight has transferred forward.
Increase stiffness (shocks/springs) in the front, and you'll keep the rear planted a bit more.
[QUOTE]Like I said, I'm a noob a this but for every post I've seen that said what you did, and there many, I can show you another that said the opposite. (See links below) Sometimes there seems to be contradictions in the same thread.[/QUOTE]
As far as bars, even in the 1st link...post #7. Larger bars transfer weight to the outside tires faster. Agreed?
When you transfer weight to the other end, what happens? Weight comes OFF the inside, only faster. A stiff bar makes the suspension less independent so the inside tire lifts when weight comes off it.
This becomes more complicated if the front is set up too soft. When you factor in nose dive in a turn, the rear also lifts because the weight has transferred forward.
Increase stiffness (shocks/springs) in the front, and you'll keep the rear planted a bit more.
| El Capitan | 01-20-2007 10:38 AM |
I had a couple of conversations via PM last night and got a good mental picture now (I'm a visual learner). I under stand that the issuse could have been any one of (or many of) a million varriables having to do with the car, the track, and/or me.
There is going to be a test and tune opertunity here in a few months and I plan on bringing out my stock RSB and playing with varrious combinations as well as asking some of the better drivers like Ratt_Finkel to take a few spins and see what they think. The only thing that is putting me in STU at this point is the RSB. If it sems faster with the stock RSB (I can flash back to the stock map pretty easy) then I'll run AS, but if it's seems better with the Cobb bar (in any of the settings) then I'll run STU.
Either way I was planning on running the Street Tire class.
There is going to be a test and tune opertunity here in a few months and I plan on bringing out my stock RSB and playing with varrious combinations as well as asking some of the better drivers like Ratt_Finkel to take a few spins and see what they think. The only thing that is putting me in STU at this point is the RSB. If it sems faster with the stock RSB (I can flash back to the stock map pretty easy) then I'll run AS, but if it's seems better with the Cobb bar (in any of the settings) then I'll run STU.
Either way I was planning on running the Street Tire class.
| ratt_finkel | 01-20-2007 10:49 PM |
Rob, it was fairly cold the day of the subie challenge. And the bus lot is nick-named the ice rink for a reason. It's the only place where I've expierenced power ON oversteer in the RS. With double the power and street tires I can see why oversteer might be a problem.
Please don't take this the wrong way. But driving technique may be the problem here. I remember the corner very well and I remember that it was not only slick, but you could carry a lot of speed into it. It looks like you apex'd a little late on the corner and the inertia just brought the back around.
I'm sure that less air-pressure and smoother inputs could've tamed the problem. Unfortunately AND fortunately for our region, we have many sites to autocross on. And setting a car up for any of the sites will produce optimal handling for that site only. Going from a small sticky concrete lot (Pennington Field), to a fast gigantic aspault site (Mineral Wells) to a medium sized sealed asphault lot(the Bus Lot), means having a setting for each particular venue. Not to mention the few times we use the TMS road course and the newly discovered cats field lot in Fort Worth.
Since you've already made the purchase. Try out the RSB, and modify the car how YOU want. If you'd like to get serious about setting it up for a specific class then make that decision. Honestly though, I will wager money you will have more difficulty driving the car fast with the RSB than you would without it.
Sign up for the next Evo school if you can. And don't forget to ask for ride-alongs or anything else to get advice. I suggest GT3 for the PS2 if you'd like to brush up on and keep focused in the off season.
Jeremy
Please don't take this the wrong way. But driving technique may be the problem here. I remember the corner very well and I remember that it was not only slick, but you could carry a lot of speed into it. It looks like you apex'd a little late on the corner and the inertia just brought the back around.
I'm sure that less air-pressure and smoother inputs could've tamed the problem. Unfortunately AND fortunately for our region, we have many sites to autocross on. And setting a car up for any of the sites will produce optimal handling for that site only. Going from a small sticky concrete lot (Pennington Field), to a fast gigantic aspault site (Mineral Wells) to a medium sized sealed asphault lot(the Bus Lot), means having a setting for each particular venue. Not to mention the few times we use the TMS road course and the newly discovered cats field lot in Fort Worth.
Since you've already made the purchase. Try out the RSB, and modify the car how YOU want. If you'd like to get serious about setting it up for a specific class then make that decision. Honestly though, I will wager money you will have more difficulty driving the car fast with the RSB than you would without it.
Sign up for the next Evo school if you can. And don't forget to ask for ride-alongs or anything else to get advice. I suggest GT3 for the PS2 if you'd like to brush up on and keep focused in the off season.
Jeremy
| El Capitan | 01-22-2007 11:19 AM |
[quote=DrBiggly;16738334]afpdl,
1) Check alignment.
-Biggly[/quote]
This is my alighnment: [url]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n317/stcroixrp/STi/AlighnmentSpecs.jpg[/url]
[quote=ratt_finkel;16746277]
Please don't take this the wrong way...
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Don't worry about me, I'm pretty thick skinned. "Know yourself and seek self improvment", is one on the Corps Leadership Principles and trust me... I know I suck as a driver and therefore I'm constantly looking for help, even if it's in the form of tough love.;)
I'm thinking of going back to the stock RSB cause I am not ready to drop the money on the rest of the susp. and drivetrain mods that I would need to be compeditive in STU yet. "I" don't have a hope in hell of placing very well in STU with just F&RSBs and my sorry driving skills.
I'll just hold on to the bar for when I decide to drop the cash on a better susp and a TBE.
1) Check alignment.
-Biggly[/quote]
This is my alighnment: [url]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n317/stcroixrp/STi/AlighnmentSpecs.jpg[/url]
[quote=ratt_finkel;16746277]
Please don't take this the wrong way...
[/quote]
Don't worry about me, I'm pretty thick skinned. "Know yourself and seek self improvment", is one on the Corps Leadership Principles and trust me... I know I suck as a driver and therefore I'm constantly looking for help, even if it's in the form of tough love.;)
I'm thinking of going back to the stock RSB cause I am not ready to drop the money on the rest of the susp. and drivetrain mods that I would need to be compeditive in STU yet. "I" don't have a hope in hell of placing very well in STU with just F&RSBs and my sorry driving skills.
I'll just hold on to the bar for when I decide to drop the cash on a better susp and a TBE.
| thrdeye | 01-22-2007 12:20 PM |
I run a stock rear bar (but really stiff springs) on my STX car and a stock rear bar on the STU car that I'm driving.
If you run the stocker in the back you won't tripod. 3-wheelin can be really bad on an STi because the diff freaks out.
For an extremely limited STU budget like you seem to have - get a nice big 27mm whiteline front bar (~$180) to start with and a couple of sets of camber bolts(~$50). Although you won't have "supreme grip" due to body roll, you should be able to get the car to handle how you want by experimenting with alignment....and it will transition a little better b/c of the front bar
If you run the stocker in the back you won't tripod. 3-wheelin can be really bad on an STi because the diff freaks out.
For an extremely limited STU budget like you seem to have - get a nice big 27mm whiteline front bar (~$180) to start with and a couple of sets of camber bolts(~$50). Although you won't have "supreme grip" due to body roll, you should be able to get the car to handle how you want by experimenting with alignment....and it will transition a little better b/c of the front bar
| El Capitan | 01-22-2007 01:31 PM |
I just found out that there is a pretty good chance (about 80%) that I will be getting orders to Iwakuni, Japan next year. Unfortuanatly, I won't be able to bring the car. So now I'm thinking I'm going to stick with AS and work what I can there since the car is going to be at my father's for a couple of years while I'm away.
No use in dropping a ton on money into a car I can't drive.
[IMG]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n317/stcroixrp/Iwakuni.jpg[/IMG]
No use in dropping a ton on money into a car I can't drive.
[IMG]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n317/stcroixrp/Iwakuni.jpg[/IMG]
| Impreza01 | 01-22-2007 10:59 PM |
[QUOTE=El Capitan;16763270]I just found out that there is a pretty good chance (about 80%) that I will be getting orders to Iwakuni, Japan next year. Unfortuanatly, I won't be able to bring the car. So now I'm thinking I'm going to stick with AS and work what I can there since the car is going to be at my father's for a couple of years while I'm away.
No use in dropping a ton on money into a car I can't drive.
[IMG]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n317/stcroixrp/Iwakuni.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Bullocks man; sell the car and buy a cheap used Evo 4 over in Japan and run at the local Gynkanas (proper Romanji spelling of "Gymkhana"). :)
No use in dropping a ton on money into a car I can't drive.
[IMG]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n317/stcroixrp/Iwakuni.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Bullocks man; sell the car and buy a cheap used Evo 4 over in Japan and run at the local Gynkanas (proper Romanji spelling of "Gymkhana"). :)
| El Capitan | 01-23-2007 10:13 AM |
[quote=Impreza01;16770809]Bullocks man; sell the car and buy a cheap used Evo 4 over in Japan and run at the local Gynkanas (proper Romanji spelling of "Gymkhana"). :)[/quote]
The thought of selling the car has crossed my mind, but I still have a year left in the states so I can attend a 9 month school in Va before I head on over, so I got awhile to decide what I want to do. :)
I like the car though and will most likely keep it at my Dad's so he can start it up and take it for a spin every once in a while. Oh, I looked up the EVO IV and me like. I guess I will need to get used to driving on the other side of the car.
The thought of selling the car has crossed my mind, but I still have a year left in the states so I can attend a 9 month school in Va before I head on over, so I got awhile to decide what I want to do. :)
I like the car though and will most likely keep it at my Dad's so he can start it up and take it for a spin every once in a while. Oh, I looked up the EVO IV and me like. I guess I will need to get used to driving on the other side of the car.
| ratt_finkel | 01-24-2007 01:09 PM |
Crap Rob, well that sucks. How long are you going to be gone for? When do you plan to leave? I'd be happy to baby-sit the car for you :)
Also, would you consider making a national effort in your car this year with me as a co-driver?
Also, would you consider making a national effort in your car this year with me as a co-driver?
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