| jcroy66 | 12-03-2006 08:31 AM |
Changes to ProSolo for 2007 (and beyond)
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[url]http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/223747.aspx[/url]
Sounds like Josh picked the right time to participate in an ACTUAL professional series, instead of just one that "stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night". :D
Sounds like Josh picked the right time to participate in an ACTUAL professional series, instead of just one that "stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night". :D
| CamaroFS34 | 12-03-2006 10:41 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66;16187241]...an ACTUAL professional series, instead of just one that "stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night". :D[/QUOTE]
:lol:
Best description yet!!! :lol:
Karen
:lol:
Best description yet!!! :lol:
Karen
| KC | 12-03-2006 02:11 PM |
:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:
| CamaroFS34 | 12-03-2006 03:20 PM |
On a serious note, when (if?) I get my letter o' doom, I'll be writing a very terse letter to the SCCA. I have it somewhat framed out in my mind, but I want to see exactly what's in this letter before I start penning it.
Among other things, I will be calling for Tasha's resignation. Period.
I will post a copy here and elsewhere, so others can send their own copies (and [i]please[/i] do so!!!). Maybe if enough people with a vested interest in ProSolo [i]demand[/i] this of their BOD representatives, it will actually happen. At least I will have felt like I did [i]something[/i], even if it's a last ditch effort to no avail.
Karen
Among other things, I will be calling for Tasha's resignation. Period.
I will post a copy here and elsewhere, so others can send their own copies (and [i]please[/i] do so!!!). Maybe if enough people with a vested interest in ProSolo [i]demand[/i] this of their BOD representatives, it will actually happen. At least I will have felt like I did [i]something[/i], even if it's a last ditch effort to no avail.
Karen
| WJM | 12-03-2006 07:11 PM |
Well...isnt that interesting.
I do not want changes from what I experienced in 2005.
I do not want changes from what I experienced in 2005.
| Patrick L | 12-03-2006 07:56 PM |
Well I guess it will give me more time to work on my club racing licence.
| KC | 12-03-2006 08:08 PM |
[QUOTE=Top_Dog;16191746]Well I guess it will give me more time to work on my club racing licence.[/QUOTE]
IMHO, and this is with my Tin Hat on.. isn't that what "The Club" wants?
--kC
IMHO, and this is with my Tin Hat on.. isn't that what "The Club" wants?
--kC
| thechickencow | 12-03-2006 11:06 PM |
You guys should just start wasting your money on rallying like the rest of us.
I was hoping to make some pro events next year but I doubt I'd bother if thats all they'll be.
Jay
I was hoping to make some pro events next year but I doubt I'd bother if thats all they'll be.
Jay
| Patrick L | 12-04-2006 12:24 AM |
Well I do have a truck to run in G2 but I am waiting for Mike Halley to bring me the alternator for it.
| AtomicRacer | 12-04-2006 09:23 AM |
Well this just plain sucks. =/
-Paul
-Paul
| BlkWRXWag | 12-04-2006 12:00 PM |
[QUOTE=AtomicRacer;16196345]Well this just plain sucks. =/
-Paul[/QUOTE]
I'm with you there Paul.
-Max.
-Paul[/QUOTE]
I'm with you there Paul.
-Max.
| Draken | 12-04-2006 12:12 PM |
I really like the ProSolo format. It is what got me into national autox back in 2001, when Steve Wynne dragged me to Wendover. I had a lot of fun in 2002 running all the West coast events, and going back to the Finales and Nationals. I've usualy run a few events a year, including a couple in 2006, which was fun.
That said...I had/have given up on ProSolo. My gripes have been:
I'm sick and tired of running the same damn 25-30 second course, every single event. Apparently I got lucky in 2001/2002, because every course was unique. But since then, every course at Fontana or Atwater or Wendover have been the same. And it seems like the start straight keeps getting shorter and shorter.
I'm also tired of the continual delays and timing errors. I have not run an event in the past 3 years that didn't have at least 30-45 minutes of delay. Atwater this year had 30-45 minutes of delay a couple times.
I'm somewhat intrigued by the concept of a single, longer Pro course. Have a good long start straight, run small groups that allow for quick course re-running. A single course will also allow for more lots to host Pros.
I'm also curious about the ""Pro" class. I had written a proposal to the ProSolo guys lastyear, suggesting they run a single "Pro" class in order to attract the top teir drivers into one specific class. Get more contigency catered directly to that class etc.
Chris H.
That said...I had/have given up on ProSolo. My gripes have been:
I'm sick and tired of running the same damn 25-30 second course, every single event. Apparently I got lucky in 2001/2002, because every course was unique. But since then, every course at Fontana or Atwater or Wendover have been the same. And it seems like the start straight keeps getting shorter and shorter.
I'm also tired of the continual delays and timing errors. I have not run an event in the past 3 years that didn't have at least 30-45 minutes of delay. Atwater this year had 30-45 minutes of delay a couple times.
I'm somewhat intrigued by the concept of a single, longer Pro course. Have a good long start straight, run small groups that allow for quick course re-running. A single course will also allow for more lots to host Pros.
I'm also curious about the ""Pro" class. I had written a proposal to the ProSolo guys lastyear, suggesting they run a single "Pro" class in order to attract the top teir drivers into one specific class. Get more contigency catered directly to that class etc.
Chris H.
| motoring | 12-04-2006 02:19 PM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34;16189595]On a serious note, when (if?) I get my letter o' doom, I'll be writing a very terse letter to the SCCA. ...
Among other things, I will be calling for Tasha's resignation.
Karen[/QUOTE]
No need for that part... [URL="http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/224041.aspx"]http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/224041.aspx[/URL]
Among other things, I will be calling for Tasha's resignation.
Karen[/QUOTE]
No need for that part... [URL="http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/224041.aspx"]http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/224041.aspx[/URL]
| Draken | 12-04-2006 02:39 PM |
Good going Karen!
| CamaroFS34 | 12-04-2006 04:11 PM |
[QUOTE=Draken;16200777]Good going Karen![/QUOTE]
:lol:
Drat! Now I have to rewrite my letter! ;)
Karen
:lol:
Drat! Now I have to rewrite my letter! ;)
Karen
| BlkWRXWag | 12-04-2006 05:11 PM |
From Howard Duncan (courtesy of the thread on SCCAForums)...
[QUOTE]
"My last comment will probably come off as a threat and I do not mean it that way, but rather as a statement of fact. If the PS community abandons the program in 2007, the plans for 2008 will likely come to a screeching halt as the SCCA BOD will not allow me to continually deficit spend on a business unit that shows no core support."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]
"My last comment will probably come off as a threat and I do not mean it that way, but rather as a statement of fact. If the PS community abandons the program in 2007, the plans for 2008 will likely come to a screeching halt as the SCCA BOD will not allow me to continually deficit spend on a business unit that shows no core support."[/QUOTE]
| sciolist | 12-04-2006 05:19 PM |
As a relative newcomer I have lots of thoughts about the Solo program in general... many of them along the lines of, 'how can so many do so little with so much'.
In the interest of putting in a (hopefully) constructive $.02 though, I'll just say this: My enthusiasm for travelling to a given National event is higher when a Tour and Pro are scheduled on consecutive weekends. At Packwood last year, we had Evo schools during the week, which I gather is a common arrangement at the two-event sites. It would be great if we could come up with more opportunities to run the cars on those weekdays. That would certainly be a travel incentive to me.
Driving 10 hours for 100 runs makes a little more sense than driving 40+ hours for six - at least volumetrically. Yes, I realize that the stakes get high for something like Topeka. That's fine, but it seems like the core of the sport should be built a little more on seat time - particularly in the middle of summer when there's a broad window of good conditions.
In the interest of putting in a (hopefully) constructive $.02 though, I'll just say this: My enthusiasm for travelling to a given National event is higher when a Tour and Pro are scheduled on consecutive weekends. At Packwood last year, we had Evo schools during the week, which I gather is a common arrangement at the two-event sites. It would be great if we could come up with more opportunities to run the cars on those weekdays. That would certainly be a travel incentive to me.
Driving 10 hours for 100 runs makes a little more sense than driving 40+ hours for six - at least volumetrically. Yes, I realize that the stakes get high for something like Topeka. That's fine, but it seems like the core of the sport should be built a little more on seat time - particularly in the middle of summer when there's a broad window of good conditions.
| WJM | 12-04-2006 08:57 PM |
My 5 page leter just showed up today....
:(
:(
| Patrick L | 12-05-2006 01:27 AM |
Same here
| solo-x | 12-05-2006 12:26 PM |
[QUOTE=KC;16189014]:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:[/QUOTE]
hey keith, if they run this new format like NESCC ran their Pro format, i could see this being a LOT of fun. in a way, i'm kind of excited about this. i'll be supporting pro solo in 07 and i'm anxious to see how this all works out. huge bonus is that Pro Solo's Grim Reaper is leaving. that alone makes me quite happy.
hey keith, if they run this new format like NESCC ran their Pro format, i could see this being a LOT of fun. in a way, i'm kind of excited about this. i'll be supporting pro solo in 07 and i'm anxious to see how this all works out. huge bonus is that Pro Solo's Grim Reaper is leaving. that alone makes me quite happy.
| KC | 12-05-2006 12:58 PM |
[QUOTE=solo-x;16212903]hey keith, if they run this new format like NESCC ran their Pro format, i could see this being a LOT of fun. in a way, i'm kind of excited about this. i'll be supporting pro solo in 07 and i'm anxious to see how this all works out. huge bonus is that Pro Solo's Grim Reaper is leaving. that alone makes me quite happy.[/QUOTE]
No doubt on the latter and good point former.
I'm one of them that will still go also. :)
--kC
No doubt on the latter and good point former.
I'm one of them that will still go also. :)
--kC
| AtomicRacer | 12-05-2006 01:37 PM |
I got my letter also. How do we know we are invited to the Finale?
-Paul
-Paul
| BlkWRXWag | 12-05-2006 01:40 PM |
[QUOTE=AtomicRacer;16214045]I got my letter also. How do we know we are invited to the Finale?
-Paul[/QUOTE]
When you beat me at El Toro:D
-Max.
-Paul[/QUOTE]
When you beat me at El Toro:D
-Max.
| Scooby921 | 12-05-2006 04:49 PM |
If all else fails, the Detroit Region bought a tree and new timing software to have our own 'local' ProSolo events. Didn't go so well this summer considering the monsoon that showed up, but if anyone wants to make the drive for the experience I'm sure it'll be fun. Especially if we do it up in Oscoda again and I bring another keg....or Jen and Phil show up with some more of that wonderful home-brew!
| ChrisDP | 12-05-2006 06:51 PM |
After buying/building/prepping a car to run ProSolo this year after half-assing it since my first Pro in 2001, running 2 PS events and with 2600 miles of trailering involved, working the day after a car accident so I wouldn't take time off I had budgeted for attending nationals, and getting an invite to the Finale I couldn't attend after the mid-season date change...
You know, I'm pretty sure I picked the right time to try roadracing.
You know, I'm pretty sure I picked the right time to try roadracing.
| jcroy66 | 12-06-2006 09:07 AM |
[quote=Scooby921;16217027]If all else fails, the Detroit Region bought a tree and new timing software to have our own 'local' ProSolo events. Didn't go so well this summer considering the monsoon that showed up, but if anyone wants to make the drive for the experience I'm sure it'll be fun. Especially if we do it up in Oscoda again and I bring another keg....or Jen and Phil show up with some more of that wonderful home-brew![/quote]Any idea what the plans are for 2007? Another one at Oscoda? Multiple events during the season? (crossing fingers!)
And yeah, we'll arrive with homebrew in hand. :)
And yeah, we'll arrive with homebrew in hand. :)
| mccanixx | 12-06-2006 11:25 AM |
I've thought about this quite abit, and although I am disappointed because of my [I]personal expectations[/I] of the program, I'm going to support the 2007 season.
I'll attend the events that I reasonably can, and show up at the finale. I've tried to view this from everyside, and yes it SUCKS, but I can't come up with a reason to not try to support it. Even if it's naively.
Yes I've sent letters.
I'll attend the events that I reasonably can, and show up at the finale. I've tried to view this from everyside, and yes it SUCKS, but I can't come up with a reason to not try to support it. Even if it's naively.
Yes I've sent letters.
| angryfist | 12-06-2006 11:43 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66;16224661]Any idea what the plans are for 2007? Another one at Oscoda? Multiple events during the season? (crossing fingers!)
And yeah, we'll arrive with homebrew in hand. :)[/QUOTE]
No plans yet. Solo planning meeting isnt for another couple months. We should be at least be having one at oscoda. Hopefully more. This all depends on if we can get the system actually working. We need to figure out all the electronics still. Computer programmers apply here...:D
And yeah, we'll arrive with homebrew in hand. :)[/QUOTE]
No plans yet. Solo planning meeting isnt for another couple months. We should be at least be having one at oscoda. Hopefully more. This all depends on if we can get the system actually working. We need to figure out all the electronics still. Computer programmers apply here...:D
| Scooby921 | 12-06-2006 12:12 PM |
[QUOTE=angryfist;16226564]No plans yet. Solo planning meeting isnt for another couple months. We should be at least be having one at oscoda. Hopefully more. This all depends on if we can get the system actually working. We need to figure out all the electronics still. Computer programmers apply here...:D[/QUOTE]
Yup...I believe some of the locals have formed their own committee to help Larry get the equipment updated and the software working properly before next summer.
Yup...I believe some of the locals have formed their own committee to help Larry get the equipment updated and the software working properly before next summer.
| verve94 | 12-06-2006 12:28 PM |
This was posted by Howard Duncan, SCCA VP of Program development, to the
SCCA Solo Forum site as an explanation of the changes for the 2007 Pro Solo
season. It is in response to the rumor mills on other forums.
This was posted to WDCR's public forum, so I'm just copying/pasting.
Now on to Howard.
"I rarely have the luxury of being able to spend any time on forums, but I
was sent a summary of the discussions going on and decided I would make an
exception and respond to hopefully clarify a few things to get these
discussions back on track.
1. Too much discussion has centered around the economics of ProSolo relative
to the 2007 plans. We are definitely concerned with the economics, but more
for the long term rather than 2007. The primary purpose of 2007 is to solve
once and for all our equipment and software issues, as well as experimenting
with some operational plans for streamlining the processes. As stated in
"The Letter", the trimmed back schedule is for the purpose of relieving the
time crunch of a full schedule that will allow for proper time to evaluate
and correct shortcomings. Please keep in mind that we conduct about twenty
events (Tours and Pros)over about 27 available weekends, minus sacrosanct
holidays. That kind of pace does not allow for appropriate rehab time. So
again, please keep in mind this primary goal.
2. Why have any events at all then?? We have determined that to properly
test and make improvements we need real world conditions.
3. Why no points?? Two reasons really. First of all the necessity of a
trimmed back schedule for testing does not make for a valid series.
Secondly, as we work our way through this process, each event may (repeat
"may") end up being handled slightly differently which presents potential
issues of fairness.
4. If there are no points why would I want to enter an event? Most of you
over the years have stated over and over again how much you like the format
and how it is the best form of Solo. Given that, I would turn the question
around: why would you not enter an event that is so much fun? The points
would just seem to be the icing on the cake.
5. What are our attendance targets for 2007 and 2008? Let me first address
2008 and what we would define as successful events that present us with a
marketable product. For 2008 we would want to see an average attendance of
200 per event. For 2009, 225. And for 2010 an average attendance of 250. By
the way, that 2010 target would put ProSolo where the Tours are today. For
2007, we would expect to see an average of 150. Again, the purpose of 2007
is fixing our operational issues and not maximizing attendance.
6. So what about those ProSolo economic issues, particularly for 2007? The
schedule we have developed is a mixture of a couple of expensive sites that
have a large Solo community to draw from (LA and WDC) and other locations
that are far less expensive that allows us to not worry too much about
reaching aggressive entry targets. This effort, along with a more efficient
travel plan for the truck and trailer will allow us to contain costs more
effectively to make 2007 acceptable from a budget perspective, even if we
are too optimistic on our turnout projections. Once again, the purpose of
2007 is to fix our operational issues.
7. OK, what about 2008 and beyond? If we are able to reach our target entry
levels for the next few years indicated above, the program will show that it
is a much more desirable commercial property, both from the perspective the
actual bodies participating AND from its image as THE premier autocross
series in the country. To be totally honest, the operational issues have
been so severe and consuming, we have not aggressively pursued additional
commercial support. Additionally, we have also not aggressively tried to
grow the program as our operational issues have been such a roadblock to
increasing entry caps. So we were left with a program that could only
accommodate X number of entrants, but that number did not allow us to have
the program be self sustaining or reach the threshold of commercial
viability. So again sounding like a broken record, the main purpose of 2007
is to fix the issues that have prevented growth in the program.
8. So beyond fixing operational issues, what is our plan to grow the program
beyond these fixes? Maybe it was the length of "The Letter" or the emotion
of those reading it, but that plan was in fact described. It starts by
looking at page 145 of the 2006 Solo Rules book, which spells out the
objectives and core strategies. The letter also lists some supporting
tactics (farm system, program enhancements, returning to a full series and
schedule, etc.). I fully realize this is not a comprehensive list, because
all of that can be worked out after we have created an efficient operational
model. The point being that it does not take a lot of imagination to take
those core strategies and extrapolate how those can be manifested.
9. Last item; cold hard realities. While there is a lot of passion from
those that participate in ProSolo, particularly those that have done it for
a few years, the number of participants is tiny, really tiny. Therefore, we
as staff members do not have the luxury of your passion as we have fiduciary
responsibilities to the Club and its members as a whole and especially to
the Solo members. 2006 was a successful year for ProSolo relative to average
turnouts and even with that kind of year only about 350 people could be
considered series participants by having run two or more events. That is a
very liberal definition of a series participant as I suspect the real number
of core participants is really closer to 200. However, even using 350, that
is a VERY tiny number of Soloists compared to the total population of over
15,000 SCCA Soloists. Therefore, it is important for us to be sure that we
are not short changing the rest of the program. One can make all the
arguments in the world about "image" and "halo" programs, but there are more
fundamental needs that can better insure the continuation of the Solo
program, such as site acquisition and safety training. The last two weeks
have been spent almost exclusively on ProSOlo. Despite whatever passion you
may have for ProSolo, I think it is easy to see that this time is WAY
disproportional to the program as whole given the fact we are talking about
a series that services 350 people. Even if that number could magically grow
to 700, it still remains a miniscule part of the program as whole. Therefore
I implore you to remember the core reason for the 2007 plans and not get
side tracked on to second and third level topics. The economics are
important, but they will take care of themselves if with your help we can
make 2007 a successful rebuilding year. How can you help? By attending
events near you, as you will not only be able to run the format you enjoy so
much, but you will allow us to have a useful and valid test. Secondly you
can do what some of you have done by speaking positively of the program and
expressing hope for the future, as opposed to the disgraceful behavior of
some over the last week or so. The more time we have to spend defending the
necessary actions we are taking keeps us away from solving the problems AND
makes the justification of our time away from other Solo and Club projects
much more difficult, if not impossible.
Oh, there might be a third thing we all can do; quit trying to read too much
between the lines, particularly things that I write. It is not my style to
get cute and have hidden meanings: what I write is what I mean.
A footnote to all this; I am particularly offended by those that have taken
cheap shots at Tasha over the ProSolo issues. Those were completely
inappropriate and she deserves an apology from each of you that has done
this on whatever forum. Tasha has done yeomans duty over her twenty years
with SCCA and has made many personal sacrifices to try to serve your needs
and those of the Club. While her departure at the end of the year was her
decision based on wanting to go back to school and stop the long commute, I
am sure the recent actions of some has made this difficult decision to leave
the SCCA family a bit easier. I may be old fashioned in many ways, but I do
not think bad manners and civil comments have gone out of style, for if they
have and this is to be the norm within the Solo community, then it is time
for me to leave as well.
I hope this has been of some help in getting these discussions back on track
to the truly core issues. I now end my rare foray into this new fangled
method of communicating. :)
H."
SCCA Solo Forum site as an explanation of the changes for the 2007 Pro Solo
season. It is in response to the rumor mills on other forums.
This was posted to WDCR's public forum, so I'm just copying/pasting.
Now on to Howard.
"I rarely have the luxury of being able to spend any time on forums, but I
was sent a summary of the discussions going on and decided I would make an
exception and respond to hopefully clarify a few things to get these
discussions back on track.
1. Too much discussion has centered around the economics of ProSolo relative
to the 2007 plans. We are definitely concerned with the economics, but more
for the long term rather than 2007. The primary purpose of 2007 is to solve
once and for all our equipment and software issues, as well as experimenting
with some operational plans for streamlining the processes. As stated in
"The Letter", the trimmed back schedule is for the purpose of relieving the
time crunch of a full schedule that will allow for proper time to evaluate
and correct shortcomings. Please keep in mind that we conduct about twenty
events (Tours and Pros)over about 27 available weekends, minus sacrosanct
holidays. That kind of pace does not allow for appropriate rehab time. So
again, please keep in mind this primary goal.
2. Why have any events at all then?? We have determined that to properly
test and make improvements we need real world conditions.
3. Why no points?? Two reasons really. First of all the necessity of a
trimmed back schedule for testing does not make for a valid series.
Secondly, as we work our way through this process, each event may (repeat
"may") end up being handled slightly differently which presents potential
issues of fairness.
4. If there are no points why would I want to enter an event? Most of you
over the years have stated over and over again how much you like the format
and how it is the best form of Solo. Given that, I would turn the question
around: why would you not enter an event that is so much fun? The points
would just seem to be the icing on the cake.
5. What are our attendance targets for 2007 and 2008? Let me first address
2008 and what we would define as successful events that present us with a
marketable product. For 2008 we would want to see an average attendance of
200 per event. For 2009, 225. And for 2010 an average attendance of 250. By
the way, that 2010 target would put ProSolo where the Tours are today. For
2007, we would expect to see an average of 150. Again, the purpose of 2007
is fixing our operational issues and not maximizing attendance.
6. So what about those ProSolo economic issues, particularly for 2007? The
schedule we have developed is a mixture of a couple of expensive sites that
have a large Solo community to draw from (LA and WDC) and other locations
that are far less expensive that allows us to not worry too much about
reaching aggressive entry targets. This effort, along with a more efficient
travel plan for the truck and trailer will allow us to contain costs more
effectively to make 2007 acceptable from a budget perspective, even if we
are too optimistic on our turnout projections. Once again, the purpose of
2007 is to fix our operational issues.
7. OK, what about 2008 and beyond? If we are able to reach our target entry
levels for the next few years indicated above, the program will show that it
is a much more desirable commercial property, both from the perspective the
actual bodies participating AND from its image as THE premier autocross
series in the country. To be totally honest, the operational issues have
been so severe and consuming, we have not aggressively pursued additional
commercial support. Additionally, we have also not aggressively tried to
grow the program as our operational issues have been such a roadblock to
increasing entry caps. So we were left with a program that could only
accommodate X number of entrants, but that number did not allow us to have
the program be self sustaining or reach the threshold of commercial
viability. So again sounding like a broken record, the main purpose of 2007
is to fix the issues that have prevented growth in the program.
8. So beyond fixing operational issues, what is our plan to grow the program
beyond these fixes? Maybe it was the length of "The Letter" or the emotion
of those reading it, but that plan was in fact described. It starts by
looking at page 145 of the 2006 Solo Rules book, which spells out the
objectives and core strategies. The letter also lists some supporting
tactics (farm system, program enhancements, returning to a full series and
schedule, etc.). I fully realize this is not a comprehensive list, because
all of that can be worked out after we have created an efficient operational
model. The point being that it does not take a lot of imagination to take
those core strategies and extrapolate how those can be manifested.
9. Last item; cold hard realities. While there is a lot of passion from
those that participate in ProSolo, particularly those that have done it for
a few years, the number of participants is tiny, really tiny. Therefore, we
as staff members do not have the luxury of your passion as we have fiduciary
responsibilities to the Club and its members as a whole and especially to
the Solo members. 2006 was a successful year for ProSolo relative to average
turnouts and even with that kind of year only about 350 people could be
considered series participants by having run two or more events. That is a
very liberal definition of a series participant as I suspect the real number
of core participants is really closer to 200. However, even using 350, that
is a VERY tiny number of Soloists compared to the total population of over
15,000 SCCA Soloists. Therefore, it is important for us to be sure that we
are not short changing the rest of the program. One can make all the
arguments in the world about "image" and "halo" programs, but there are more
fundamental needs that can better insure the continuation of the Solo
program, such as site acquisition and safety training. The last two weeks
have been spent almost exclusively on ProSOlo. Despite whatever passion you
may have for ProSolo, I think it is easy to see that this time is WAY
disproportional to the program as whole given the fact we are talking about
a series that services 350 people. Even if that number could magically grow
to 700, it still remains a miniscule part of the program as whole. Therefore
I implore you to remember the core reason for the 2007 plans and not get
side tracked on to second and third level topics. The economics are
important, but they will take care of themselves if with your help we can
make 2007 a successful rebuilding year. How can you help? By attending
events near you, as you will not only be able to run the format you enjoy so
much, but you will allow us to have a useful and valid test. Secondly you
can do what some of you have done by speaking positively of the program and
expressing hope for the future, as opposed to the disgraceful behavior of
some over the last week or so. The more time we have to spend defending the
necessary actions we are taking keeps us away from solving the problems AND
makes the justification of our time away from other Solo and Club projects
much more difficult, if not impossible.
Oh, there might be a third thing we all can do; quit trying to read too much
between the lines, particularly things that I write. It is not my style to
get cute and have hidden meanings: what I write is what I mean.
A footnote to all this; I am particularly offended by those that have taken
cheap shots at Tasha over the ProSolo issues. Those were completely
inappropriate and she deserves an apology from each of you that has done
this on whatever forum. Tasha has done yeomans duty over her twenty years
with SCCA and has made many personal sacrifices to try to serve your needs
and those of the Club. While her departure at the end of the year was her
decision based on wanting to go back to school and stop the long commute, I
am sure the recent actions of some has made this difficult decision to leave
the SCCA family a bit easier. I may be old fashioned in many ways, but I do
not think bad manners and civil comments have gone out of style, for if they
have and this is to be the norm within the Solo community, then it is time
for me to leave as well.
I hope this has been of some help in getting these discussions back on track
to the truly core issues. I now end my rare foray into this new fangled
method of communicating. :)
H."
| jcroy66 | 12-06-2006 01:55 PM |
Just sent my letter to Howard and Cindy. It's a long letter (3 pages) so I didn't copy it here. But if anyone wants to read it, I posted it at:
[url]http://www.wowway.com/~pcroy8059/ProSolo2007.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.wowway.com/~pcroy8059/ProSolo2007.htm[/url]
| BlkWRXWag | 12-06-2006 02:05 PM |
Great letter Jen - very well thought out and worded.
-Max.
-Max.
| AtomicRacer | 12-06-2006 03:26 PM |
[QUOTE=BlkWRXWag;16214123]When you beat me at El Toro:D
-Max.[/QUOTE]
Just remember you said it here first Max. =P
-Paul
-Max.[/QUOTE]
Just remember you said it here first Max. =P
-Paul
| mccanixx | 12-06-2006 03:36 PM |
[QUOTE=BlkWRXWag;16228801]Great letter Jen - very well thought out and worded.
-Max.[/QUOTE]
Ditto :D
-Max.[/QUOTE]
Ditto :D
| BlkWRXWag | 12-06-2006 04:18 PM |
[QUOTE=AtomicRacer;16230139]Just remember you said it here first Max. =P
-Paul[/QUOTE]
I shall start working on excuses immediately!
-Paul[/QUOTE]
I shall start working on excuses immediately!
| jcroy66 | 12-06-2006 04:34 PM |
Update: I heard back from Cindy earlier this afternoon. VERY quickly actually; I'm surprised she read my dissertation that fast. ;)
Among other things, she says that they are intrigued by the mirrorkhana format and currently investigating the feasibility of using that for the single-course idea. Also says they do plan to retain the dual-course format for sites that can use it, but would supplement the dual-course format with the single-course format for sites that cannot use the dual-course.
Also if you haven't already seen it, both Cindy and Howard have posted on the SCCA's official website, addressing the ProSolo community's concerns.
[url]http://www.scca.org/garage/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4503&PN=1[/url]
So I'm looking forward to seeing what they put together. Looks like we'll probably still be autocrossing in 2007 after all. :)
Among other things, she says that they are intrigued by the mirrorkhana format and currently investigating the feasibility of using that for the single-course idea. Also says they do plan to retain the dual-course format for sites that can use it, but would supplement the dual-course format with the single-course format for sites that cannot use the dual-course.
Also if you haven't already seen it, both Cindy and Howard have posted on the SCCA's official website, addressing the ProSolo community's concerns.
[url]http://www.scca.org/garage/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4503&PN=1[/url]
So I'm looking forward to seeing what they put together. Looks like we'll probably still be autocrossing in 2007 after all. :)
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