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changing the illumination color from green to blue????Got an idea, sorta.. part 1

joostin420 11-08-2000 10:50 AM

changing the illumination color from green to blue????Got an idea, sorta..
 
ok, i saw this on VWVORTEX.COM, is there any way to do this, like the way they do it on VW GTIs. i saw them use those little colored tabs from file folder things to change the color of the LCD mileage/trip from green to red. read further down to see about the blue.

[img]http://members.home.net/mtennese/gauges4.JPG[/img]

this is the mod instructions:

[url="http://www.4130products.com/step/gl/"]http://www.4130products.com/step/gl/[/url]

justin

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RidinLow 11-08-2000 10:53 AM

Pretty neat idea. Is there such a thing as colored overhead transparencies? That would be even easier.
JGard 11-08-2000 10:53 AM

you could change the color of the bulbs, which when mixing with the green plastic form the dash, could make some interesting colors. that's all i've heard of for changin that, though
chuckpfl 11-08-2000 11:07 AM

How do the gauge lights work in the impreza? are the bulbs green or is it a white light with at green film??
joostin420 11-08-2000 11:10 AM

i believe that it is a film or paint or something.

justin
Imprez Me 11-08-2000 11:21 AM

if its a green film, wouldn't you just need a yellow bulb? green+yellow=BLUE right.
i don't know just a thought.
Jose
joostin420 11-08-2000 11:38 AM

or how about just yellow film behind the gauges, but for some reason i don't think it will work. but i could be wrong. :\

i am looking for real blue though like in the picture at the start of the post. everyone else, i bet you are too.

justin
Craig W 11-08-2000 11:45 AM

Blue + Yellow = Green

Light is made of a spectrum of three primary colors, RGB; Red, Green and Blue. Light is additive color where print is subtractive. In print you have CMYK; Cyan Magenta Yellow and Black. In print, adding different colors eventually leads to black. In light, adding colors lead to white.

So for changing light color here are some starters.

Red + Blue = Magenta
Red + Green = Yellow
Blue + Green = Cyan (which is kinda a light blue.)
Red + Blue + Green = White.

joostin420 11-08-2000 11:59 AM

so how would we get the blue in the picture? the guy who did it in VW GTI picture used one of those neon strip bar things he got from a radio store to distribute the blue light evenly, check out the thread:
[url="http://forums.vwvortex.com/vwbb/Forum3/HTML/005682.html"]http://forums.vwvortex.com/vwbb/Forum3/HTML/005682.html[/url]

my other question is changing the LCD lights like he did also would it be somewhat the same thing as in the Mod link like he did for our mileage/trip meter part?(link from initial post). because i want the same cholor scheme that he did.

[img]http://members.home.net/mtennese/gauges.JPG[/img]

this has gotta be the way to do it for our cars also. how is the green from ours on the back of the gauges, can we take it off pretty easily? anyone have pics of the backside of our gauges, to see if it will work basically the same and to see if wee have enough room to attach a neon light bar?

i want this mod it is so sweet looking.

thanx,

justin

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BRN2RLY 11-09-2000 12:13 AM

Man i have wanted to change the color to blue since i have had my car.I hope someone does it and tells us how to do it.
Lifino 11-09-2000 12:27 AM

If it is just a film-> Just go to a store that sells stage equipment, they have big sheets of colored film they put over stage lights. I've seen stores with about 40 different colors. I'd imagine a camera supply store may have it too...

just a thought.
-Silas
joostin420 11-09-2000 12:44 AM

i think i read in a post a while ago that the film is thicker in different spots or something because of the bulb positions to spread the light to make it look even. so i think if we saw a pic of the backside of the gauges it would tell us alot. i think the neon bar would be the coolest looking blue though, also i would have to get blue cap covers for my Autometer gauges. man that would look so sweet.

any info./pics would be greatly appreciated be many of us.

thanx

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joostin420 11-09-2000 06:14 AM

anyone?

thanx,

justin
chuckpfl 11-09-2000 08:09 AM

the service dept at the dealer i got my subie from says that they are special green bulbs made by subaru specifically for this. remember this is what he said not me please if it's wrong don't hold it against me. he also said that finding this bulb in a diferent color somwhere else would not be possible can we prove this @$$ wrong??
Impreza Rider 11-09-2000 08:44 AM

I think that what it's going to take is someone who has the balls to take their gauge cluster apart and let us know what it looks like back there. I don't, I know that I'll mess up somethin'.

Jim
Siper2 11-09-2000 08:52 AM

[b]Craig W[/b],

Now see.......this confuses the p!ss out of me. I hear that there are two schools of thought insofar as primary colors. The way I was taught is that red, yellow and blue are the three primaries. Green is a secondary.

Some say that RYB are primary for pigment, and RGB are primary for light. I don't understand how they can be different, however.

You said that R+G=Y. Hmm... not really...
Red and green are exact complementary colors.
Exact opposites. If you mix them, you get a lack of definition... otherwise known as brown (or grayish). The complementaries:

Red/Green
Yellow/Purple
Blue/Orange

The six colors are set up on a "color wheel" to make it easier to explain, usually. Let's equate this to a compass:

Red - North
Blue - SouthEast
Yellow - SouthWest

Green - South
Orange - NorthWest
Purple - NorthEast

So... If you draw it out that way properly, then the color directly across from whatever color you choose is its complement. Its exact opposite. You can combine any color with any other color to achieve different color combinations, EXCEPT the exact opposite color. They can't be combined.

And the theory is that white = the combination of all color, and black = the absence of color.

All that in mind, I guess it just doesn't make sense to me--even if the Light spectrum IS different than the Pigment one--how, for example, you could combine green and red and get yellow.

Anyone? [img]http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/biggrin.gif[/img]

-S2-

joostin420 11-09-2000 09:09 AM

my 1rst question is really, does anyone know for ceartain if the MY00 white faced gauges have a green film on the back of the gauges or is it just the bulb color?

2nd, if it is just a green film of some sorts, is it one peice or paint, and can it be removed without damaging the rest of gauge?

3rd, if it is a bulb, and if the bulbs are hard/impossible to find in different colors,
can we use the method used on the VW GTI mod?
the one on the link about how he disconnected the bulbs and replaced them with a Blue Neon light Tube and rigged it from the bulb wires so the light is distributed evenly?

4th, can a Neon Tube fit behind our instrument panel, is there enough room?

5th, is our LCD strip for the mileage/trip put together the same way as described in the link to the VW GTI mod?

thanx,

justin

Bankheist 11-09-2000 10:44 AM

Answer....the whole gage plate is one big green piece of translucent rubber....the white that you see is merely painted onto the green.....no film to remove....

My idea is to find someone who can replicate this by just making me new gauges... on the other hand if you want to do it yourself... I suggest getting a blue film and putting it over the green rubber, and changing the bulb from white to light or medium blue.... It should look much darker than aqua...but not quite as vibrant as the VW blue...

That idea should to the trick [img]http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif[/img]

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8Complex 11-09-2000 10:56 AM

Someone here has done this... switched the illumination to blue in their RS. I think it was giulio.

Found it - [url="http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/Forum15/HTML/000240.html"]http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/Forum15/HTML/000240.html[/url]

Sean 11-09-2000 11:03 AM

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Pinochle 11-09-2000 11:35 AM

Bankheist is correct. The gauge cluster is a transluscent green material. Someone installed blue bulbs in the cluster and got a teal light out of it. I don't know about sanding the green off, I didn't actually have my cluster out. However... if you contact Guilio.. he may be able to give you some more answers. Hope this helps.
Matthew Nelson 11-09-2000 04:14 PM

I'm not sure who from the i-Club was trying to do this modification, but I remember not too long ago several members tried taking apart their dashes and chickened out without actually doing anything (for those of you who "chickened out," I got nothing but love for ya').

Most of the said they were afraid of tampering with their Imprezas, and I don't blame them. If I'm not sure what I'm doing, I don't mess with it...at least not on my beloved RS.

That said, I hope somebody figures out how to successfully complete this modification.

In a perfect world, all dealers would offer custom-colored interior dash lights as a factory option.
Keirik 11-09-2000 05:53 PM

hey guys,
ok..........first off , I know Giulio, been is his car in the day,night his gauges are not lit blue. Secondly, he doesn't have white gauges, his are black (MMY98)
thirdly, I've taken apart my gauge cluster already. It seems the green color is not from the blulbs (they are vlear) but instead, the green is a permanent backing on the back of the gauges. In other words, it looks to me, the only way would be to sand down the green off of the back, which might look weird if you sand too much off, cause some scratches, whatever.
I even tried to actually remove the gauge face off of the rest, but it seems you have to remove the needles first, which I wasn't able to do for some reason. I even screwed up my tach needle a little so that it does go up and down smoothly anymore.
Anyone else with some ideas? Someone should look into at least getting bulbs and painting them, see what we can get from that. That seems the most realistic way of getting at least some different colors.
Imprez Me 11-10-2000 01:19 PM

ok ladies and gents, i took apart my cluster today and i got all the way down to the white face clusters. i didn't take off the needles b/c i wasnt sure if there was a certain way they went back on. but i just folded the white plates back and didn't see any green rubber anyone was talking about! i have a MY00, is the green rubber stuff from earlier models, cause i sure as hell didn't have it in my car. but i looked at the bulbs as well, and they look like clear bulbs to me so i don't know how the color is green. i'm gonna take them apart again later today. ?Can anyone tell me if the needles need to go back on a certain way? please post and tell me and i'll get back with more info on how i'm tryin to change the color!! later.

Jose
chuckpfl 11-10-2000 01:59 PM

Jose I also have a MY00 please if you figure this darn thing out let me know.... obviously i'm dealin with a dealership that knows nothing and the people there are butt-h0les. I'm all excited about doin this keep us posted.............thanx
kunfuzion 11-10-2000 02:33 PM

i found a way to turn the dash illumination blue but it wasnt permanent. what i did was take each clear bulb behind the display and colored them with a blue permanent marker (sharpie). it looks ok but the blue is a little dark. in the day it is next to impossible to see the clock. it last about 1-2 weeks before the ink starts to fade away. i know it was ghetto but it worked for little while. if you notice when taking out the bulbs, there is one big bulb, about side marker size. i put a hyper white bulb in and it turned it a indiglo blue. if there is company that makes those little bulbs in a hyper white than that would be better. well thats my own opinion. sorry so long.
jeff
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Imprez Me 11-10-2000 02:37 PM

well i just took it apart again. i still didn't take the needles out cause im not sure about them yet. i can't see this rubber everyone is talking about, but i do see a series of really tiny bumps on the back of the faces. im guessing that this is how the green light comes up. and yes the bulbs are clear in the MY00.

this is what i'm gonna do; im going to go buy some bulbs (yellow, blue) tomorrow. im buying yellow cause i was always taught that yellow and green make blue so i'll try that. i'll get blue ones just to see the color that comes out.

i'm also going to go get different color films to lay over the back of the faces to see what that will do. i guess it's just a trial and error process. ill see what happens. also there is not enough room in the clusters to put a small neon. its very cramped back there.

i'll post again tomorrow. later

Jose

spelling mistakes!

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omahasubaru 11-10-2000 04:31 PM

[b]ZIPLOC[/b]

Yellow and Blue make Green.... Not yellow and green make blue... Man you guys are reachin' And yes all colors fron what I was taught as well as what my graphic designer (sister) friend told me is RGB...

Thanks - [email protected]

I'd love to have blue dash lights, just don't see it happening, unless someone develops a kit.
HRE | giulio 11-10-2000 10:35 PM

Sorry gang, I was never able to do this. But I'm still 'on the task'. I can't find anyplace that sells bulbs this small in blue. If anyone can, please let me know. I'll just buy them and a replacement guage face to sand off the green (keep mine as a backup).

The guages use clear bulbs, and the face absorbs red and blue light (only lets green pass). Since it absorbs blue light, i doubt you'll see anything from just a bulb swap (probably be like the lights arent even on)- you have to get the green filter off.

The heater controls use the same size bulbs, with little green caps on them. You can swap those bulbs for blue and be on your way.

g0

P.S.
STi headrest covers coming soon [img]http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/wink.gif[/img]
Snyder2.5 11-11-2000 09:45 AM

If I would make a kit for any color you wanted on the face with any color illumination would you guys pay about 90 bucks for it. I make them from scratch and have done about 10 sets for other cars so far. The result is amazing, once behind the clear cover you cannot tell what they are made of and they look like they are factory. But they are very time consuming to make so I will only do a test with mine if the interest is seriously there. Let me know. I can also put any kind of symbol or logo on the faces for your viewing pleasure. Like authentic i-club gauge kits or something, member number:, You name it and it can be on yours. Should eb able to do the other gauges in the car also. Let me know


Snyder
Daios 11-11-2000 07:00 PM

If anyone wants to know I took a pic of the little bulb from the tach. And yes the face looks like it made of green/red. I'm not sure about just sanding them away. There is one bulb like what kunfuzion said thats the size of the sidemarkers. Its behind the fuel/temp area. Just stick a PIAA or something similer and it should be different. Has anyone tried using markers to color "behind" the face instead of the bulb?
If someone knows how to make tho whole white face to glow light bluish that would be cool. Maybe a LED light or something that shines at the faces?

[img]http://a.postmypic.com/a.nsf/Z/GuageLightYVBP/$file/GuageLight.jpg[/img]

-Daios
MY00 BRP SeDan
Bankheist 11-11-2000 08:38 PM

CROWNING ACHIEVEMENT!!!!! All READ!

I have done it! I got the blue gages, realtively easy too! I took some pictures and they should be developed, scanned and posted by Mid-week. This is one cool modification, looks good.

Here's the down side... I've messed up the spedometer instead of one fluid motion as speed inccreases and decresses, it sticks often and jumps from speed to speed. Luckily im under waranty on this one....

there's a big meet tomorrow here in texas with trey cobb involved, he might be able to take a look at it for me.

Also, made blue... and it looks tight! is the dome light on the ceiling...

I'll have pics of all this in a couple days guys.

-Kevin
Bankheist 11-13-2000 09:28 AM

Hey all...well I've done the climate controls in blue also..looks real good at night!

I think i know what happened to the speedometer, I was messing with it prior to making the blue material... and I think I was trying to pull it off. Cause even after I take out my blue faces and go back to green... It still gives me the same crap... I'll have the guys at Subaru see what they can do tomorrow anyway...

When I get everything scanned (by wednesday night) I will post a new topic regarding this modification... IM me if you gto any ???'s

-Kevin



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Bankheist 11-14-2000 02:10 PM

I'll have pics of the blue gauges and blue climate controls tonight. look out for a new thread entitled "Blue Light Special"

Damn, my name is Kevin... So it could be a K-Mart Blue Light Special... HA HA HA HA ROFL..not that funny [img]http://www.i-club.com/ubb-files/smile.gif[/img]

-C ya tonight
Imprez Me 11-14-2000 04:03 PM

when you post the pics, post directions on how to do this cause im still tryin to change the color on mine. Thanks.


Jose
Matthew Nelson 11-14-2000 04:06 PM

You go, Bankheist!

This is a worthwhile modification, for anyone who is listening (or reading). Snyder, if you can make this work, I can (almost) guarantee that a lot of i-Club members will be signing up for this product!

Snydey's post seems to have beaten me to the punch. I was going to inquire whether anyone has found any aftermarket dash kits for the Impreza. Although it's doubtful that any manufacturers make them for the Impreza, I know I've seem kits for Hondas, etc., that change a vehicle's spedometer (and other) faces to a white background, and some that I've seem change the color of the illumination, too.

If a vendor could find some way to produce these kits relatively cheaply, say for under $100, I bet i-Clubbers would be standing in line, fighting for this stuff.

That said, I'll take a dash kit in blue to match the color of my exterior.

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