| KC | 11-20-2006 04:39 PM |
Dec Fastrack is out
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[QUOTE] The previously published proposal to move the Lexus IS300 and various BMW E30, E36 and E46 models out of DSP to CSP or BSP has been
withdrawn, in anticipation of a larger action (see below).
- The SPAC has been directed to provide a draft SP class restructuring recommendation, including specific Appendix A classes and listings, to the
SEB for review. This will provide more uniformity of update/backdate line listings within models and classing according to "best of breed"
principles. The proposed effective date for these changes would be 1/1/2008.
- The SEB and SPAC are working on a proposal, which will be effective 1/1/2008, to prohibit any traction control modifications in SP. Specific
wording will be forthcoming.[/QUOTE]
Solstice GXP/Saturn Sky Redline: AS
Mazdaspeed 3: DS
And other stuff. :)
--kC
withdrawn, in anticipation of a larger action (see below).
- The SPAC has been directed to provide a draft SP class restructuring recommendation, including specific Appendix A classes and listings, to the
SEB for review. This will provide more uniformity of update/backdate line listings within models and classing according to "best of breed"
principles. The proposed effective date for these changes would be 1/1/2008.
- The SEB and SPAC are working on a proposal, which will be effective 1/1/2008, to prohibit any traction control modifications in SP. Specific
wording will be forthcoming.[/QUOTE]
Solstice GXP/Saturn Sky Redline: AS
Mazdaspeed 3: DS
And other stuff. :)
--kC
| MattNJ2.8 | 11-20-2006 04:47 PM |
Hmmm, doubt the Mazda would take down the ITR, but it would certainly be a fun ownership prospect in DS form.
| PKer | 11-20-2006 07:26 PM |
Yay, my bimmer friends are safe for at least one more year.
| Chiketkd | 11-20-2006 08:07 PM |
[QUOTE=KC;16057693]Solstice GXP/Saturn Sky Redline: AS
Mazdaspeed 3: DS
And other stuff. :)
--kC[/QUOTE]
Thanks kC. I didn't see this thread, and posted this info over in the '06 WRX DS thread after seeing it on SCCA Forums.
Yet another interesting car to be added to the DS mix! :devil:
Mazdaspeed 3: DS
And other stuff. :)
--kC[/QUOTE]
Thanks kC. I didn't see this thread, and posted this info over in the '06 WRX DS thread after seeing it on SCCA Forums.
Yet another interesting car to be added to the DS mix! :devil:
| solo-x | 11-20-2006 08:40 PM |
this should be really interesting. when was the last big SP re-org?
| Sideshowbob | 11-20-2006 09:15 PM |
Figured the turbo solstice would make AS
| Impreza01 | 11-20-2006 10:27 PM |
I can't find the fast track on SCCA.org. Does anyone have a direct link?
Edit: Nevermind, been spelling it wrong. I wonder how the MS3 will do against the 2006 WRX in D Stock.
Edit: Nevermind, been spelling it wrong. I wonder how the MS3 will do against the 2006 WRX in D Stock.
| mikehoyer | 11-20-2006 10:48 PM |
My vote is WRX>MS3
[URL="http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/mazdaspeed3.pdf"]http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/mazdaspeed3.pdf[/URL]
[URL="http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/mazdaspeed3.pdf"]http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/mazdaspeed3.pdf[/URL]
| Chiketkd | 11-20-2006 10:54 PM |
[QUOTE=Impreza01;16061838]I wonder how the MS3 will do against the 2006 WRX in D Stock.[/QUOTE]
It's hard to say for sure, but the talk on SCCA Forums is that the car is severely camber challenged and the odd rim size (18x7") limits r-comp choices (expected 'tire of choice' for the car appears to be a 225/40/18 Hoosier A6 IIRC).
With that said, I'm sure the car could do quite well given its front limited-slip, taught factory suspension and reasonably svelte curb weight. If a solid driver with strong experience autoXing a turbo'd fwd car (e.g. Steve Baumbach or Samuel Krauss) got behind the wheel of a well-prepped D-Stock MS3, they'd probably go very far at Natl's.
Chike
It's hard to say for sure, but the talk on SCCA Forums is that the car is severely camber challenged and the odd rim size (18x7") limits r-comp choices (expected 'tire of choice' for the car appears to be a 225/40/18 Hoosier A6 IIRC).
With that said, I'm sure the car could do quite well given its front limited-slip, taught factory suspension and reasonably svelte curb weight. If a solid driver with strong experience autoXing a turbo'd fwd car (e.g. Steve Baumbach or Samuel Krauss) got behind the wheel of a well-prepped D-Stock MS3, they'd probably go very far at Natl's.
Chike
| Chiketkd | 11-20-2006 11:04 PM |
[QUOTE=mikehoyer;16062060]My vote is WRX>MS3
[URL="http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/mazdaspeed3.pdf"]http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/mazdaspeed3.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]
Looking over the MS3's specs according to R&T, I'd have to agree. The MS3 is actually slightly heavier than a TR model WRX, and it doesn't have the benefit of awd for exiting tight corners quickly. 2nd gear is also only good to 50mph, so on a typical autoX circuit the MS3 driver will constantly need to shift back-n-forth between 2nd & 3rd gears. The weight distn of the MS3 (62% front, 38% rear) is also worse than the weight distn of an '06 WRX (59% front, 42% rear).
[URL="http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/mazdaspeed3.pdf"]http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/mazdaspeed3.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]
Looking over the MS3's specs according to R&T, I'd have to agree. The MS3 is actually slightly heavier than a TR model WRX, and it doesn't have the benefit of awd for exiting tight corners quickly. 2nd gear is also only good to 50mph, so on a typical autoX circuit the MS3 driver will constantly need to shift back-n-forth between 2nd & 3rd gears. The weight distn of the MS3 (62% front, 38% rear) is also worse than the weight distn of an '06 WRX (59% front, 42% rear).
| Impreza01 | 11-21-2006 12:02 AM |
[QUOTE=Chiketkd;16062133]With that said, I'm sure the car could do quite well given its front limited-slip, taught factory suspension and reasonably svelte curb weight. If a solid driver with strong experience autoXing a turbo'd fwd car (e.g. Steve Baumbach or Samuel Krauss) got behind the wheel of a well-prepped D-Stock MS3, they'd probably go very far at Natl's.
Chike[/QUOTE]
The suspension is actually very soft. The MS3 has better factory tires, but it posts a slower slalom speed than the WRX. However, koni inserts can fix that problem, so I'm really curious.
Chike[/QUOTE]
The suspension is actually very soft. The MS3 has better factory tires, but it posts a slower slalom speed than the WRX. However, koni inserts can fix that problem, so I'm really curious.
| KC | 11-21-2006 07:41 AM |
[QUOTE=Chiketkd;16062133]If a solid driver with strong experience autoXing a turbo'd fwd car (e.g. Steve Baumbach or Samuel Krauss) got behind the wheel of a well-prepped D-Stock MS3, they'd probably go very far at Natl's.
Chike[/QUOTE]You think Sam has been running a FWD Talon? :lol:
--kC
Chike[/QUOTE]You think Sam has been running a FWD Talon? :lol:
--kC
| Chiketkd | 11-21-2006 08:55 AM |
[QUOTE=Impreza01;16062874]The suspension is actually very soft. The MS3 has better factory tires, but it posts a slower slalom speed than the WRX. However, koni inserts can fix that problem, so I'm really curious.[/QUOTE]
From what I've been told, Konis on full stiff don't reduce body roll significantly....however, a big FSB does though. :cool:
[QUOTE=KC;16064622]You think Sam has been running a FWD Talon? :lol:
--kC[/QUOTE]
Doh! :o
From what I've been told, Konis on full stiff don't reduce body roll significantly....however, a big FSB does though. :cool:
[QUOTE=KC;16064622]You think Sam has been running a FWD Talon? :lol:
--kC[/QUOTE]
Doh! :o
| Impreza01 | 11-22-2006 06:18 AM |
[QUOTE=Chiketkd;16065022]From what I've been told, Konis on full stiff don't reduce body roll significantly....however, a big FSB does though. :cool:[/QUOTE]
Konis would slow the body roll dynamics. I just mentioned it because the MS3 didn't do as well as the WRX on the slalom. But stiffer shocks will help the MS3 in the slalom. But then again, the WRX can also be equipped with said shocks. Hrmmm, Chike, go race and beat one! :lol:
Konis would slow the body roll dynamics. I just mentioned it because the MS3 didn't do as well as the WRX on the slalom. But stiffer shocks will help the MS3 in the slalom. But then again, the WRX can also be equipped with said shocks. Hrmmm, Chike, go race and beat one! :lol:
| Scooby South | 11-22-2006 08:49 AM |
so heres a question:...... How does the SCCA determine what car goes into what class.....what are the varibles....or is it just some old timer saying where the car gets classed...
just curious....
Bill
just curious....
Bill
| MattNJ2.8 | 11-22-2006 09:13 AM |
A bunch of guys like this sit around and grunt a lot.
hhhhuuunnnggghhh rruuuuuuuuuhhhhh
An SCCA Classing Meeting:
[img]http://www.animationartgallery.com/images/KOT/KOTH6.gif[/img]
Naw, they're pretty objective with the classing, with a BIG eye on not upsetting the current classing structure and ruining people's investment.
hhhhuuunnnggghhh rruuuuuuuuuhhhhh
An SCCA Classing Meeting:
[img]http://www.animationartgallery.com/images/KOT/KOTH6.gif[/img]
Naw, they're pretty objective with the classing, with a BIG eye on not upsetting the current classing structure and ruining people's investment.
| KC | 11-22-2006 09:17 AM |
:lol:
| solo-x | 11-22-2006 09:17 AM |
the guys in the black helicopters pick where the cars go. you know, the black helicopters that are piloted by guys that hate AWD cars and think turbo's should only be used to dry your hair? Rick is one of their advisors as well, so that he can get the new "screw bill over" index numbers out quickly. :P
i am seriously interested in seeing how the SPAC handles the mid and high power FWD cars. could a second FWD sedan SP class be in the works?
regardless of whether i get a place in SP where my car is competitive, i think an SP re-org was desperately needed. hopefully the SPAC and SEB can get the SP classing to the point that IT classing is in Club Racing. i wonder what will happen to ST if a lot of the ST cars get a competitive SP place to play? a lot of ST competitors have been around for a while and i'm sure i'm not the only one that has gotten tired of floppy sidewall street tires.
i am seriously interested in seeing how the SPAC handles the mid and high power FWD cars. could a second FWD sedan SP class be in the works?
regardless of whether i get a place in SP where my car is competitive, i think an SP re-org was desperately needed. hopefully the SPAC and SEB can get the SP classing to the point that IT classing is in Club Racing. i wonder what will happen to ST if a lot of the ST cars get a competitive SP place to play? a lot of ST competitors have been around for a while and i'm sure i'm not the only one that has gotten tired of floppy sidewall street tires.
| Scooby921 | 11-22-2006 09:21 AM |
[QUOTE=Chiketkd;16062133]It's hard to say for sure, but the talk on SCCA Forums is that the car is severely camber challenged and the odd rim size (18x7") limits r-comp choices (expected 'tire of choice' for the car appears to be a 225/40/18 Hoosier A6 IIRC).
With that said, I'm sure the car could do quite well given its front limited-slip, taught factory suspension and reasonably svelte curb weight. [B]If a solid driver with strong experience autoXing a turbo'd fwd car (e.g. Steve Baumbach [/B]or Samuel Krauss) got behind the wheel of a well-prepped D-Stock MS3, they'd probably go very far at Natl's.
Chike[/QUOTE]
We'll have to try that...a friend of mine just bought a MS3 and plans on autocrossing next season. Steve's a local guy as well. Perhaps we'll put him in the car and see what happens! We'll at least get his take in comparison to his SRT-4.
With that said, I'm sure the car could do quite well given its front limited-slip, taught factory suspension and reasonably svelte curb weight. [B]If a solid driver with strong experience autoXing a turbo'd fwd car (e.g. Steve Baumbach [/B]or Samuel Krauss) got behind the wheel of a well-prepped D-Stock MS3, they'd probably go very far at Natl's.
Chike[/QUOTE]
We'll have to try that...a friend of mine just bought a MS3 and plans on autocrossing next season. Steve's a local guy as well. Perhaps we'll put him in the car and see what happens! We'll at least get his take in comparison to his SRT-4.
| Chiketkd | 11-22-2006 09:25 AM |
[QUOTE=Impreza01;16077657]Hrmmm, Chike, go race and beat one! :lol:[/QUOTE]
LOL! That's one reason why I'm really looking forward to the '07 season! :devil:
[QUOTE=Scooby South;16078264]so heres a question:...... How does the SCCA determine what car goes into what class.....what are the varibles....or is it just some old timer saying where the car gets classed...
just curious....
Bill[/QUOTE]
From what I've gathered from SCCA Forums, the SEB primarily takes Solo potential into account (not Pro Solo potential). Weight, power, factory wheel sizes and suspension are all taken into consideration (as well as many other factors I'm sure).
For instance, the B13 sentras and NX nissan models all came with an IRS and are classed in G-Stock. When the B14 sentras came along with a couple hundred extra lbs and a torsion bar in the rear, they got bumped down to H-Stock.
LOL! That's one reason why I'm really looking forward to the '07 season! :devil:
[QUOTE=Scooby South;16078264]so heres a question:...... How does the SCCA determine what car goes into what class.....what are the varibles....or is it just some old timer saying where the car gets classed...
just curious....
Bill[/QUOTE]
From what I've gathered from SCCA Forums, the SEB primarily takes Solo potential into account (not Pro Solo potential). Weight, power, factory wheel sizes and suspension are all taken into consideration (as well as many other factors I'm sure).
For instance, the B13 sentras and NX nissan models all came with an IRS and are classed in G-Stock. When the B14 sentras came along with a couple hundred extra lbs and a torsion bar in the rear, they got bumped down to H-Stock.
| KC | 11-22-2006 09:26 AM |
The MSP was no slouch, but lighter. Too bad it's not STX legal.
--kC
--kC
| Chiketkd | 11-22-2006 09:30 AM |
[QUOTE=Scooby921;16078516]We'll have to try that...a friend of mine just bought a MS3 and plans on autocrossing next season. Steve's a local guy as well. Perhaps we'll put him in the car and see what happens! We'll at least get his take in comparison to his SRT-4.[/QUOTE]
I'd be very interested in hearing what his impressions are of the car. :cool:
I'd be very interested in hearing what his impressions are of the car. :cool:
| Chiketkd | 11-22-2006 09:39 AM |
[QUOTE=KC;16078563]The MSP was no slouch, but lighter. Too bad it's not STX legal.
--kC[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Too bad Mazda just turbocharged an n/a engine w/o giving it lower compression pistons (hence the measly 6lbs boost). The car has so much potential... :devil:
Btw, what [I]will[/I] you be driving next season kC?? I no longer see the '04 RX-8 listed under your screen name. Just the '06?????
If you don't want to completely give it away, which class will you be in? Thinking about another nat'l title in ST* or will you be hanging around in the stock classes for a bit longer? :cool:
--kC[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Too bad Mazda just turbocharged an n/a engine w/o giving it lower compression pistons (hence the measly 6lbs boost). The car has so much potential... :devil:
Btw, what [I]will[/I] you be driving next season kC?? I no longer see the '04 RX-8 listed under your screen name. Just the '06?????
If you don't want to completely give it away, which class will you be in? Thinking about another nat'l title in ST* or will you be hanging around in the stock classes for a bit longer? :cool:
| KC | 11-22-2006 09:56 AM |
Oh, the RX8 was sold in Spet. The '93 Civic is the work in progress for track days and with a look towards Prepared (or maybe SP if the classes pan out for '08), and I'm co-driving solo-x's STS civic nationally. :)
The '06 ???? replaces the Baja. :devil: So now, like many others, I'm Subaruless.
--kC
The '06 ???? replaces the Baja. :devil: So now, like many others, I'm Subaruless.
--kC
| Scooby South | 11-22-2006 10:19 AM |
[QUOTE=MattNJ2.8;16078448]A bunch of guys like this sit around and grunt a lot.
hhhhuuunnnggghhh rruuuuuuuuuhhhhh
An SCCA Classing Meeting:
[img]http://www.animationartgallery.com/images/KOT/KOTH6.gif[/img]
Naw, they're pretty objective with the classing, with a BIG eye on not upsetting the current classing structure and ruining people's investment.[/QUOTE]
tooooo funnay:lol: :lol:
[QUOTE=solo-x;16078484]the guys in the black helicopters pick where the cars go. you know, the black helicopters that are piloted by guys that hate AWD cars and think turbo's should only be used to dry your hair? Rick is one of their advisors as well, so that he can get the new "screw bill over" index numbers out quickly. :P
i am seriously interested in seeing how the SPAC handles the mid and high power FWD cars. could a second FWD sedan SP class be in the works?
regardless of whether i get a place in SP where my car is competitive, i think an SP re-org was desperately needed. hopefully the SPAC and SEB can get the SP classing to the point that IT classing is in Club Racing. i wonder what will happen to ST if a lot of the ST cars get a competitive SP place to play? a lot of ST competitors have been around for a while and i'm sure i'm not the only one that has gotten tired of floppy sidewall street tires.[/QUOTE]
Exactly ...my point I was eluding to yesterday..;)...Great points for sure..;):lol:
[QUOTE=Chiketkd;16078557]LOL! That's one reason why I'm really looking forward to the '07 season! :devil:
From what I've gathered from SCCA Forums, the SEB primarily takes Solo potential into account (not Pro Solo potential). Weight, power, factory wheel sizes and suspension are all taken into consideration (as well as many other factors I'm sure).
For instance, the B13 sentras and NX nissan models all came with an IRS and are classed in G-Stock. When the B14 sentras came along with a couple hundred extra lbs and a torsion bar in the rear, they got bumped down to H-Stock.[/QUOTE]
makes sense.....I just wish they would "inform" the General Public on 'how' they make their decisions...:)
Bill
hhhhuuunnnggghhh rruuuuuuuuuhhhhh
An SCCA Classing Meeting:
[img]http://www.animationartgallery.com/images/KOT/KOTH6.gif[/img]
Naw, they're pretty objective with the classing, with a BIG eye on not upsetting the current classing structure and ruining people's investment.[/QUOTE]
tooooo funnay:lol: :lol:
[QUOTE=solo-x;16078484]the guys in the black helicopters pick where the cars go. you know, the black helicopters that are piloted by guys that hate AWD cars and think turbo's should only be used to dry your hair? Rick is one of their advisors as well, so that he can get the new "screw bill over" index numbers out quickly. :P
i am seriously interested in seeing how the SPAC handles the mid and high power FWD cars. could a second FWD sedan SP class be in the works?
regardless of whether i get a place in SP where my car is competitive, i think an SP re-org was desperately needed. hopefully the SPAC and SEB can get the SP classing to the point that IT classing is in Club Racing. i wonder what will happen to ST if a lot of the ST cars get a competitive SP place to play? a lot of ST competitors have been around for a while and i'm sure i'm not the only one that has gotten tired of floppy sidewall street tires.[/QUOTE]
Exactly ...my point I was eluding to yesterday..;)...Great points for sure..;):lol:
[QUOTE=Chiketkd;16078557]LOL! That's one reason why I'm really looking forward to the '07 season! :devil:
From what I've gathered from SCCA Forums, the SEB primarily takes Solo potential into account (not Pro Solo potential). Weight, power, factory wheel sizes and suspension are all taken into consideration (as well as many other factors I'm sure).
For instance, the B13 sentras and NX nissan models all came with an IRS and are classed in G-Stock. When the B14 sentras came along with a couple hundred extra lbs and a torsion bar in the rear, they got bumped down to H-Stock.[/QUOTE]
makes sense.....I just wish they would "inform" the General Public on 'how' they make their decisions...:)
Bill
| Scooby South | 11-22-2006 10:26 AM |
[QUOTE=KC;16078881]Oh, the RX8 was sold in Spet. The '93 Civic is the work in progress for track days and with a look towards Prepared (or maybe SP if the classes pan out for '08), and I'm co-driving solo-x's STS civic nationally. :)
The '06 ???? replaces the Baja. :devil: So now, like many others, I'm Subaruless.
--kC[/QUOTE]
Great.....ANOTHER Superman battle for STS supremecy...;)....as MK will be in sn 89 civic as well....
[IMG]http://www.gulfcoastautocrossers.com/x20061112%20200.jpg[/IMG]
The '06 ???? replaces the Baja. :devil: So now, like many others, I'm Subaruless.
--kC[/QUOTE]
Great.....ANOTHER Superman battle for STS supremecy...;)....as MK will be in sn 89 civic as well....
[IMG]http://www.gulfcoastautocrossers.com/x20061112%20200.jpg[/IMG]
| solo-x | 11-22-2006 10:32 AM |
resistance is futile. you WILL be assimilated by teh hondUh!!!
| KC | 11-22-2006 10:58 AM |
[QUOTE=Scooby South;16079248]Great.....ANOTHER Superman battle for STS supremecy...;)....as MK will be in sn 89 civic as well....
[IMG]http://www.gulfcoastautocrossers.com/x20061112%20200.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
It's gonna be hella cool wicked fun. If you're not in STS, you ain't nothin!!!! r3sP3kT y0!!
--kC
[IMG]http://www.gulfcoastautocrossers.com/x20061112%20200.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
It's gonna be hella cool wicked fun. If you're not in STS, you ain't nothin!!!! r3sP3kT y0!!
--kC
| Scooby South | 11-22-2006 10:58 AM |
[QUOTE=MattNJ2.8;16078448]A bunch of guys like this sit around and grunt a lot.
hhhhuuunnnggghhh rruuuuuuuuuhhhhh
An SCCA Classing Meeting:
[img]http://www.animationartgallery.com/images/KOT/KOTH6.gif[/img]
Naw, they're pretty objective with the classing, with a BIG eye on not upsetting the current classing structure and ruining people's investment.[/QUOTE]
OOOOORRRR.....
"It goes in B Stock Damn it".........Man law.........
[IMG]http://www.adweek.com/aw/images/best_spots/best_spots_06/0506_bs08.gif[/IMG]
hhhhuuunnnggghhh rruuuuuuuuuhhhhh
An SCCA Classing Meeting:
[img]http://www.animationartgallery.com/images/KOT/KOTH6.gif[/img]
Naw, they're pretty objective with the classing, with a BIG eye on not upsetting the current classing structure and ruining people's investment.[/QUOTE]
OOOOORRRR.....
"It goes in B Stock Damn it".........Man law.........
[IMG]http://www.adweek.com/aw/images/best_spots/best_spots_06/0506_bs08.gif[/IMG]
| KC | 11-22-2006 11:07 AM |
[QUOTE=Scooby South;16079698]OOOOORRRR.....
"It doesn't go in ESP".........Man law.........
[IMG]http://www.adweek.com/aw/images/best_spots/best_spots_06/0506_bs08.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
phiksed.
"It doesn't go in ESP".........Man law.........
[IMG]http://www.adweek.com/aw/images/best_spots/best_spots_06/0506_bs08.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
phiksed.
| Scooby South | 11-22-2006 11:11 AM |
^^^:lol:
| Scooby South | 11-22-2006 11:15 AM |
[QUOTE=KC;16079688]It's gonna be hella cool wicked fun. If you're not in STS, you ain't nothin!!!! r3sP3kT y0!!
--kC[/QUOTE]
umm that was 4 classes ago...sooooooo WTLW...;)...
Me=2001 STS local champion in a 2000 RS...:p
--kC[/QUOTE]
umm that was 4 classes ago...sooooooo WTLW...;)...
Me=2001 STS local champion in a 2000 RS...:p
| wrx2.0 555 | 11-22-2006 11:18 AM |
[QUOTE=Scooby South;16079248]Great.....ANOTHER Superman battle for STS supremecy...;)....as MK will be in sn 89 civic as well....
[IMG]http://www.gulfcoastautocrossers.com/x20061112%20200.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Cool pic.....havent seen that......
Thats ME driving though.....;)
[IMG]http://www.gulfcoastautocrossers.com/x20061112%20200.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Cool pic.....havent seen that......
Thats ME driving though.....;)
| Scooby South | 11-22-2006 11:19 AM |
[QUOTE=wrx2.0 555;16079949]Cool pic.....havent seen that......
Thats ME driving though.....;)[/QUOTE]
yeah I know..they didn't have one of Mike...;)...
thats from the State championships...
Bill
Thats ME driving though.....;)[/QUOTE]
yeah I know..they didn't have one of Mike...;)...
thats from the State championships...
Bill
| MattNJ2.8 | 11-25-2006 08:28 PM |
[QUOTE=KC;16079803]phiksed.[/QUOTE]
Seriously, those ESP guys are hard headed when it comes to their heavy-ass RWD playground.
I can't believe they ever allowed the rally-cars in. They must've thought we'd be cannon fodder :p
Seriously, those ESP guys are hard headed when it comes to their heavy-ass RWD playground.
I can't believe they ever allowed the rally-cars in. They must've thought we'd be cannon fodder :p
| CamaroFS34 | 11-25-2006 11:04 PM |
[QUOTE=MattNJ2.8;16108466]Seriously, those ESP guys are hard headed when it comes to their heavy-ass RWD playground.
I can't believe they ever allowed the rally-cars in. They must've thought we'd be cannon fodder :p[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: Grow up.
I can't believe they ever allowed the rally-cars in. They must've thought we'd be cannon fodder :p[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: Grow up.
| KC | 11-26-2006 07:23 AM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34;16109541]:rolleyes: Grow up.[/QUOTE]
C'mon... that's the equivalent of someone telling you to grow some balls... :lol:
--kC
C'mon... that's the equivalent of someone telling you to grow some balls... :lol:
--kC
| CamaroFS34 | 11-26-2006 12:09 PM |
[QUOTE=KC;16111343]C'mon... that's the equivalent of someone telling you to grow some balls... :lol:[/QUOTE]
;) Touche'. I don't know him at all, but I [i]do[/i] get tired of the "pony car drivers" BS. Until you've actually [i]driven[/i] a pony car, you can't talk about them. Period. They aren't what you think. I've shown that to people who've driven my car over and over again.
I still like Joel's remark after driving my car. "How do you people drive these things?" :lol:
Karen
;) Touche'. I don't know him at all, but I [i]do[/i] get tired of the "pony car drivers" BS. Until you've actually [i]driven[/i] a pony car, you can't talk about them. Period. They aren't what you think. I've shown that to people who've driven my car over and over again.
I still like Joel's remark after driving my car. "How do you people drive these things?" :lol:
Karen
| MattNJ2.8 | 11-26-2006 02:53 PM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34;16112336];) Touche'. I don't know him at all, but I [i]do[/i] get tired of the "pony car drivers" BS. Until you've actually [i]driven[/i] a pony car, you can't talk about them. Period. They aren't what you think. I've shown that to people who've driven my car over and over again.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Right back at 'ya - you won't catch me admitting it often, but we've had a modded Mustang GT (suspension, bolt ons - an ESP car minus the R-comps) in the family before, kiddo. So I do know exactly what I'm talking about.
My comments were not directed harshly at the car itself, so I'm still scratching my head wondering why you went there in your post above regarding the car itself, and your experience with other people driving your car.
[I]My comment[/I] was directed at the (occasionally justified) perception that the ESP owners are extremely reluctant to allow any other possible threat into their class. kC brought ESP into this thread.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Right back at 'ya - you won't catch me admitting it often, but we've had a modded Mustang GT (suspension, bolt ons - an ESP car minus the R-comps) in the family before, kiddo. So I do know exactly what I'm talking about.
My comments were not directed harshly at the car itself, so I'm still scratching my head wondering why you went there in your post above regarding the car itself, and your experience with other people driving your car.
[I]My comment[/I] was directed at the (occasionally justified) perception that the ESP owners are extremely reluctant to allow any other possible threat into their class. kC brought ESP into this thread.
| CamaroFS34 | 11-26-2006 03:21 PM |
[QUOTE=MattNJ2.8;16113453][I]My comment[/I] was directed at the (occasionally justified) perception that the ESP owners are extremely reluctant to allow any other possible threat into their class. kC brought ESP into this thread.[/QUOTE]
It's always KC's fault. ;)
Honestly, the reluctance can probably be traced back to the M3 being reclassed from CSP to ESP debacle that happened a few years ago.
Karen
It's always KC's fault. ;)
Honestly, the reluctance can probably be traced back to the M3 being reclassed from CSP to ESP debacle that happened a few years ago.
Karen
| MattNJ2.8 | 11-26-2006 07:56 PM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34;16113616]It's always KC's fault. ;)
Honestly, the reluctance can probably be traced back to the M3 being reclassed from CSP to ESP debacle that happened a few years ago.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Fair enough - and I hope I did not come across as rude. In person, I'm a cream puff (wait, that sounds kinda ghey :) ) At least that's what my fiancee says.:banana:
As to your comment above, you don't know me because I'm not a regular at tours/ Pro's. The only big event I hit this year was the NE Div - and had a terrible showing at that with a broken car (it's a Mitsu, right? :lol: ) Something comes up every year to stop me going to the big events... now this year it'll probably be my own wedding. You'll see me with the woman, I am blessed that she comes out and auto-x's with me at pretty much every event :)
The M3 reclassing was before my time - what was the deal with that?
Honestly, the reluctance can probably be traced back to the M3 being reclassed from CSP to ESP debacle that happened a few years ago.
Karen[/QUOTE]
Fair enough - and I hope I did not come across as rude. In person, I'm a cream puff (wait, that sounds kinda ghey :) ) At least that's what my fiancee says.:banana:
As to your comment above, you don't know me because I'm not a regular at tours/ Pro's. The only big event I hit this year was the NE Div - and had a terrible showing at that with a broken car (it's a Mitsu, right? :lol: ) Something comes up every year to stop me going to the big events... now this year it'll probably be my own wedding. You'll see me with the woman, I am blessed that she comes out and auto-x's with me at pretty much every event :)
The M3 reclassing was before my time - what was the deal with that?
| steverife | 11-26-2006 09:45 PM |
[QUOTE=MattNJ2.8;16113453]Right back at 'ya - you won't catch me admitting it often, but we've had a modded Mustang GT (suspension, bolt ons - an ESP car minus the R-comps) in the family before, kiddo. So I do know exactly what I'm talking about.
My comments were not directed harshly at the car itself, so I'm still scratching my head wondering why you went there in your post above regarding the car itself, and your experience with other people driving your car.
[I]My comment[/I] was directed at the (occasionally justified) perception that the ESP owners are extremely reluctant to allow any other possible threat into their class. kC brought ESP into this thread.[/QUOTE]
What group openly welcomes something coming in that looks like it will obsolete their car?
My comments were not directed harshly at the car itself, so I'm still scratching my head wondering why you went there in your post above regarding the car itself, and your experience with other people driving your car.
[I]My comment[/I] was directed at the (occasionally justified) perception that the ESP owners are extremely reluctant to allow any other possible threat into their class. kC brought ESP into this thread.[/QUOTE]
What group openly welcomes something coming in that looks like it will obsolete their car?
| MattNJ2.8 | 11-27-2006 12:12 AM |
[QUOTE=steverife;16116903]What group openly welcomes something coming in that looks like it will obsolete their car?[/QUOTE]
Hopefully, noone.
Don't miss the adjective used above to describe them; "extreme" - that's the point.
My class, BSP, got a big PAX jump relative to other classes for 2007. It just got "harder" with the same level of work to get to the top of the index. But rather than whine on online message boards, I just look at it as a reason to raise my game. Moral of the story is, perhaps rather than whining about rules and classing, one could up his [I]own [/I]ante. Lord knows I've got a long way to go in that dept.
But it's silly season, so I should probably just **** with common sense.
Hopefully, noone.
Don't miss the adjective used above to describe them; "extreme" - that's the point.
My class, BSP, got a big PAX jump relative to other classes for 2007. It just got "harder" with the same level of work to get to the top of the index. But rather than whine on online message boards, I just look at it as a reason to raise my game. Moral of the story is, perhaps rather than whining about rules and classing, one could up his [I]own [/I]ante. Lord knows I've got a long way to go in that dept.
But it's silly season, so I should probably just **** with common sense.
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