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Decided to get a Miata part 1

MattSTi 12-06-2005 01:54 AM

Decided to get a Miata
Well I finally decided it makes no sense to put any more money into my car as it is completely impractical to have a double-duty street/track car.

I am currently parting all of my performance parts out in this thread : [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=895921[/url] - There's some good stuff for you track guys, including An EVO 2, autopower bar, 3-inch 6-point camlocks, SSR Comps w/ RA-1's (70% tread), and a set of Carbotech XP-8's with about 50% material left.

On to the Miata.

Plans are to find a nice clean 93ish (1.6 or 1.8, not really biased) miata for ~$3K
1. Buy a rollbar
2. Do all of the necessary maintenance to freshen it up, maybe even rebuild the engine.
3. Upgrade to full SM spec (minus cage)
4. Keep for a while as a nice fun street/track car that can pass inspection and be insured.
5. Have a cage installed, and other necessary safety equip.
6. Go racing

Realistically this will probably take 2-3 years to actually get to the racing part.

-Matt
kfoote 12-06-2005 09:52 AM

Matt,

You do NOT want to run the Spec Miata Spring and shock package on the street. 700 lbs/in front springs tends to rattle one's kidneys a bit in a 2200 lb car during normal stret driving.

If you are eventually going to be running Spec Miata, you can buy the entire kit and swap out the springs. For dual purpose, I'd reccommend 400 lbs/in front and 275 lbs/in rear.
teamxmehow 12-06-2005 10:15 AM

miatas are awsome cars, i had one.. i had a 99 with a ubercharger from flyingmiata.com. beleive me when i say the car was fast :). it handeles like a champ, its light and rwd. awsome autocross and track car. if you ever need any parts contact flyinmiata, i have had nothing but good experience with them
Silverrex04 12-06-2005 10:39 AM

Miatas are fantastic track cars. Great choice. Very easy to drive. Almost idiot proof. My wife had a 95 Montego Blue one with a Hard Dog roll bar, Jackson Racing Cold Air intake, a cat back and Tokiko shocks. That was her track car for 4 years. You could do some silly stuff in that car and it was very forgiving. Trail braking hard into corners? No problem... Easy to catch if you got a bit too stupid. The only draw back was no power. (Yes Flying Miata could fix that nicely)

I was driving it in an instructor session at a BMW club event on the North course at VIR. I was behind another instructor in an E36 M3. I entered the cut through (a fast series of up hill turns) right behind him and stayed within two car lengths the whole way. I remember seeing him check his mirror several times almost as if to say "*** is that thing and why can't I lose it?".
stirob 12-06-2005 10:48 AM

Ive had 2 miatas a 91 and an 01, loved them both. There not very fast ( in stock form) but they are an absolute blast to drive and they never break.

Rob
Butt Dyno 12-07-2005 12:26 AM

Old thread from when I was deciding whether to get a Miata or something else (I love how the MR2 looks)
[url]http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16529[/url]

Lately I've been wondering if I shouldn't just prep the Miata for autocross, put a suspension on the WRX with LESS than 550 lb/in springs, and daily drive the WRX and track/autox the Miata.

But I really love driving the WRX fast.

Decisions...
teamxmehow 12-07-2005 12:27 AM

oh yea and if you get it and need winter tires i have steelies with blizzaks on them that are doing me no good :) ill give them to you for cheap
ralliharri 12-07-2005 01:51 AM

I too am heavily pondering about stop spending money on my WRX and get a cheap, streetable, commutable, trackday Miata. *going back to look at Auto Trader*
MattSTi 12-07-2005 12:14 PM

[QUOTE=ralliharri]I too am heavily pondering about stop spending money on my WRX and get a cheap, streetable, commutable, trackday Miata. *going back to look at Auto Trader*[/QUOTE]

The more you think about it, the more it makes sense :)

-Matt
Joel Gat, 1.8L 12-07-2005 12:21 PM

Hello,

Just a note about the Spec Miata suspension - the properly matched dampers sure make the kit comfortable. Gary's Miata rolls on the spec kit (he got the kit before the series started - a prototype kit for some magazine testing, so he's had it for years (5 years now?)). My Miata rolled on the typical Koni shocks, H&R springs. My spring rate was less than half of his. His car is much more comfortable for daily driving...

It's not Bently-comfy, of course, but it's tolerable if you're into souped up cars. Certainly more tolerable than my 350-lbs setup.

That said, a Miata on springs greater than 300 lbs will ALWAYS, without exception, become a rattlebox. The dash starts, then creaks come out of the bulkhead shield (despite that huge rubber mat on top of it), then the center console, etc etc etc. Be ready for rattles. If you are, then go for it :)

Joel, who loves his two Miatas, but drives his two Subarus :p
MattSTi 12-07-2005 12:24 PM

Joel,

Thanks for the input. I think I would suck it up and put the spec suspension on for the street at some point. Considering it's going to be a fun car instead of an every-day driver, I think I can deal with it.

I had JIC coilovers on my STi and I was very used to them, although bumps weren't pleasant.

Thanks,

Matt
10th Warrior 12-07-2005 12:47 PM

Matt, not sure if the car would fit your needs, but alot of the other stuff might. I've known the car/driver for awhile now and everything is in great condition. he's also getting pretty desperate to unload everything ;)

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[url=http://solo2.org/forums/114827/ShowPost.aspx]V710s[/url]
[url=http://solo2.org/forums/115051/ShowPost.aspx]the car[/url]
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HTH
vintagemilano 12-07-2005 01:04 PM

Seems easier and cheaper to just get a second hand spec miata all ready to go.
GarySheehan 12-07-2005 01:26 PM

[QUOTE=kfoote]Matt,

You do NOT want to run the Spec Miata Spring and shock package on the street. 700 lbs/in front springs tends to rattle one's kidneys a bit in a 2200 lb car during normal stret driving.

If you are eventually going to be running Spec Miata, you can buy the entire kit and swap out the springs. For dual purpose, I'd reccommend 400 lbs/in front and 275 lbs/in rear.[/QUOTE]

I ran the Spec Miata spring and shock package on my 96 for 4 years on the street. It really wasn't bad at all. Just watch out for BIG bumps.

Gary
Sheehan Motor Racing
[url]www.teamSMR.com[/url]
Butt Dyno 12-07-2005 01:30 PM

Yeah, I've heard the SM suspension is actually better than the R-package suspension as far as being streetable. I got a ride in elgorey's SM car and was really surprised at how well it handled going over the gators without being unsettled.

john
bjorn240 12-07-2005 01:30 PM

Dumb question and I assume the answer is no, but can you stitch weld the car in Spec Miata?

- Christian
PA04STI 12-07-2005 02:34 PM

Get one with the rear LSD. Also I would go 1.8L.

My buddy has a Miata & swapped in the rear end with the LSD & a 1.8L engine.

The 1.6L is a little weak.

Also they have some nice kits for the Miata & the 1.8L is strong enough to handle them. I would go with a supercharger instead of turbo kit.

I think the site he is looking at getting a supercharger kit is [url]http://www.flyinmiata.com[/url]

Good choice: Roll Bar #1 choice, especially in that car adds stiffness & protection.

Matt
abaxter34 12-07-2005 08:10 PM

[QUOTE=PA04STI]Get one with the rear LSD. Also I would go 1.8L.
[/QUOTE]
if you get one with the base open diff you can swap in the mazdaspeed competition rear diff. its a clutch type diff rather than viscous and it uses the 1.6 open differential halfshafts and ring and pinion so you can skip the cost of replacing the whole 1.8 rear end. itll also retain the shorter ratio than going with the 1.8l rear diff. the comp. rear diff gos for $700 directly from mazdaspeed, provided you can prove the car will be used for sanctioned competition.

theres a lot of guys getting rid of their sm's now that the seasons over: [url]http://www.specmiata.com/Classifieds/[/url]
MattSTi 12-07-2005 09:12 PM

Thanks for the input abaxter34. I am still undecided on whether I will go with 1.6 or 1.8 . The guy who runs the spec miata team i crew for has recommend that a try to find a 1.8 because of some issue that the 1.6 is more prone to that involved the crankshaft.

-Matt
Butt Dyno 12-07-2005 09:14 PM

I think the issue with the 1.6 only applied to the 90 and some of the 91's...

[url]http://www.miata.net/garage/crankshaft.html[/url]

That R is a great deal tho :)
chucktoo 12-07-2005 09:18 PM

Try FFR Challenge racer
I reached a simular decision last week - I am buying a Factory Five Challenge racer.

[url]http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/speccar/challenge.html[/url]

It is actually about the size of a Miata- lighter and wider and has a 5l V-8.

Rented one for a NASA event last weekend in Phoenix - they are an absolute blast to drive.

You can find good used one people have put together.

You can also make them street legal and convert very quickly for track use.
MattSTi 12-07-2005 09:22 PM

ButtDyno, in your overall experience, have you made and conclusion as to which motor/year is the best? Realistically I would like to spend no more than $3500 on the car itself, and it looks like most 1.8's are priced a little above that. Let me know what you think.

Thanks,

Matt
Butt Dyno 12-07-2005 09:29 PM

I would go with whatever the SM people think if you plan on racing, unless you want to HPDE a stockish one and then buy a prepped racecar later. (the age-old "building" vs "buying" question)

I never had delusions of grandeur as far as w2w :)

Although when people keep saying things like... reliable cars... hold their resale value well for race cars... SM suspension still pretty streetable... etc etc... well, I dunno what I'm gonna think in a couple years :)

john
MattSTi 12-07-2005 10:14 PM

John,

Thanks for your input, it's been very helpful. I think wheel to wheel is at least a few years down the road for me, but I would like to get started with a well sorted car.

I fully understand it is MUCH cheaper to buy a fully-sorted Spec Miata than building one. However, I am interested in using it as a street-legal car for a good amount of time. Also, I would like the "experience" of building it from street to spec so that when stuff starts breaking, I will have a better chance at knowing how to fix it.

Thanks,

Matt
trhoppe 12-07-2005 10:31 PM

I only read the first post and dunno if someone already said it yet, but if you do this, go to a nice cage shop and have them build a roll bar from which they could build a cage out of later. You will be safer then a bolt in roll bar and won't be wasting any $$ when it comes time to cage the car.

-Tom
MattSTi 12-07-2005 10:39 PM

Tom,

Thanks for the advice. Since the car will be a street car for a good while, I'm going to install one of the hard dog rollbars.

However, when I prep it for SM, I'm pretty much set on having Piper Motorsport build the cage. I've seen the autopower units compared to them and they are in a totally different league.

-Matt
Butt Dyno 12-07-2005 10:45 PM

[QUOTE=MattSTi]Tom,

Thanks for the advice. Since the car will be a street car for a good while, I'm going to install one of the hard dog rollbars.

However, when I prep it for SM, I'm pretty much set on having Piper Motorsport build the cage. I've seen the autopower units compared to them and they are in a totally different league.

-Matt[/QUOTE]
Well, Piper can build a rollbar that can be turned into a cage later. I know because that's what my Miata has :)

It doesn't impact the streetability at all, it included a harness bar, and it fits underneath both the soft top and the hard top.

john
HemiKLR 12-07-2005 10:54 PM

can't polish a turd
trhoppe 12-07-2005 10:56 PM

Plus the $500 that you spend on it now gets recycled when you turn it into a cage rather then having to pull the harddog bar out, wasting a ton of $$, welding up holes, etc etc

-Tom
MattSTi 12-08-2005 12:35 AM

How much was the piper bar?

Thanks,

Matt
Butt Dyno 12-08-2005 07:40 AM

IIRC ~$600 installed, maybe a bit higher.

(A HDHCDD is like $415 on teammiata.com)

john
abaxter34 12-09-2005 12:11 AM

[QUOTE=MattSTi]Tom,

Thanks for the advice. Since the car will be a street car for a good while, I'm going to install one of the hard dog rollbars.

However, when I prep it for SM, I'm pretty much set on having Piper Motorsport build the cage. I've seen the autopower units compared to them and they are in a totally different league.

-Matt[/QUOTE]
i found a used hard dog bolt in cage off of [url]www.miata.net[/url] for $650 and for what i paid im more than happy with it. however after entering/exiting the car, trying to mount my seat, figuring out a way to adapt nascar door bars etc., i do wish i had just saved up for a while and either had a custom cage made or had installed one of the kits from [url]www.miatacage.com[/url] it would be great to have it custom made around me, not the inside dimensions of the soft top.
xstar 12-09-2005 09:37 PM

I can attest to riding on SM suspension in my 96 1.8. The initial impression was "extremely jarring" ride, coming from subaru suspension. I actually got headaches from driving the miata on the street. However, I got used to it within a week and the ride was stiff, but not kidney killing.

I think it will also depend on the seat of your choice in a SM suspended miata. I had to use a Kirkey-like aluminum seat bolted to the floor to fit in a miata with my helmet on. The aluminum seat with the regular seat foam is extremely rough on the driver when street-driven. I use two cushions when driving on the street and no cushions on the track, due to height limitations.

If you choose to keep the stock seat in the car, the stock seat actually absorbs most of the SM suspension roughness. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
MattSTi 12-09-2005 10:21 PM

What's the consensus on the weld-in SM cage kits from Autopower, Miatacage.com ? I realize that these probably won't be as nice as a fully custom cage, but how do they stack up?

Thanks,

Matt
abaxter34 12-11-2005 04:24 PM

from what i have seen, the miatacage kit looks far superior to the autopower kit. the design of the a-pillar bars, nascar bars and dash bar are very well thought out. a local friend who i auto-x cross with who also happens to be on these boards is planning on getting his sm cage installed by miatacage. i think his car might be going to their shop very shortly. ill see what he has to say when everything is finished up.
MattSTi 12-11-2005 05:05 PM

The miatacage kit does look a lot better.

Ultimately I will have to decide between purchasing a miatacage kit and having it installed by a motorsports fabricator (piper motorsports in va) or just have the fabricator do the whole kit. I'm not sure what the price/quality differential would be though.

A cage is pretty far in the future so I've got time to think it through.

-Matt
CirrusWRX 12-12-2005 01:48 PM

[QUOTE=HemiKLR]can't polish a turd[/QUOTE]
Sure you can!

[img]http://blatanttruth.org/turd-polish.gif[/img]
Jack 12-12-2005 02:38 PM

[QUOTE=chucktoo]I reached a simular decision last week - I am buying a Factory Five Challenge racer.

[url]http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/speccar/challenge.html[/url]

It is actually about the size of a Miata- lighter and wider and has a 5l V-8.

Rented one for a NASA event last weekend in Phoenix - they are an absolute blast to drive.

You can find good used one people have put together.

You can also make them street legal and convert very quickly for track use.[/QUOTE]


Nice to see someone getting into something other than a Miata. We're already at the point of "miata class" and "everything else" class at NHIS.

........look me up if you have any questions about the FFR. I'll put mine back on the street in the spring for its 7th season :D

You won't be able to do one for $3k to start, however.

jack
mcu81 12-12-2005 03:43 PM

a lil OT, but where in WV are you, i am from philly and goto wvu, and also lookin to get a spec miata next summer
redobs 12-12-2005 09:41 PM

<---If you need any parts. I've got mostlty everything except rear diff and roll bar. Got race tires and wheels too.
MattSTi 12-12-2005 09:47 PM

mcu81-

I'm from the eastern panhandle (harpers ferry) right on the maryland and virginia borders.

I go to the wharton school at upenn in philly, here for 9 months, WV for the summer. Although from now on looks like I will be working in philly or nyc.

If you are interested in getting into spec miata, you should really try crewing first. I've been crewing for a spec miata team and besides being an absolute blast, you learn a TON about the cars, racing, etc.

I think it will take me a while to actually be able to afford wheel to wheel racing. Although spec-miata is considered cheap for racing, it is not cheap at all in the scope of things. Just having a miata for track days is my current goal.

If you are interested for a race in the spring (most are at Summit Point in WV) crewing sometime, I'm sure I could arrange it.

-Matt
MachinesWRX 12-13-2005 08:38 PM

good luck with the miata!
Ive been looking to do something like this but still keep teh WRX. i just wanna put in my uppipe and downpipe and maybe tires then start a winter beater/ HPDE/ ice racing/ do it all! type of car. Dont want to be competetive in any of theose fields for a while, just learn. My picks are a 240sx, miata, FC RX7, SW20 MR2 and maybe an EG6 civic.
Anyways, hope you have fun blasting by all the "heavyweights" :D

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