| Howl | 09-17-2006 12:57 PM |
Defi: In-car rollover video
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[QUOTE=flatovercrest.com]Ontario native Matt Barnes had some high excitement on stage two when he accelerated over a crest at a 90 left. The car hit the far bank and did a pirouette on its nose, coming to rest on his roof. Half a dozen spectators dove in, righted the car and Matt was off, only a minute lost. Both Barnes and co-driver Tashko Sarakinov are fine, and the car suffered mostly body damage. [/QUOTE]
Article and pictures: [URL="http://www.flatovercrest.com/archives/2006/09/sylvain_has_con.html"]http://www.flatovercrest.com/archives/2006/09/sylvain_has_con.html[/URL]
In-car video:[URL="http://media.putfile.com/Ste-Agathe-2"]http://media.putfile.com/Ste-Agathe-2[/URL]
[I]Caution, some bad language, as you might imagine. [/I]:lol:
Article and pictures: [URL="http://www.flatovercrest.com/archives/2006/09/sylvain_has_con.html"]http://www.flatovercrest.com/archives/2006/09/sylvain_has_con.html[/URL]
In-car video:[URL="http://media.putfile.com/Ste-Agathe-2"]http://media.putfile.com/Ste-Agathe-2[/URL]
[I]Caution, some bad language, as you might imagine. [/I]:lol:
| AndrewSS | 09-17-2006 01:19 PM |
Whoops, thats nice that they were sent on there way from the help of the spectators :)
| bjorn240 | 09-17-2006 02:31 PM |
Wow, good quality video, but did anyone else see that one coming, oh, 4 corners in advance?
| boundy3 | 09-17-2006 03:01 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15275600]Wow, good quality video, but did anyone else see that one coming, oh, 4 corners in advance?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the car was all over the place at the first turn.
Is it me, or did they seem to never go over 35 mph? :confused:
Yeah, the car was all over the place at the first turn.
Is it me, or did they seem to never go over 35 mph? :confused:
| boostpower | 09-17-2006 03:24 PM |
Yeah, what was with the speed? Was it a TSD or something because they were not going fast at all it seemed like?
| bjorn240 | 09-17-2006 04:14 PM |
[QUOTE=boostpower;15275944]Was it a TSD or something because they were not going fast at all it seemed like?[/QUOTE]
No, the Rallye Defi Ste. Agathe/Duhamel is a round of the Canadian rally championship (CRC), so it's a stage rally.
I didn't think it looked so slow, but it did look a little sketchy from the outset!
No, the Rallye Defi Ste. Agathe/Duhamel is a round of the Canadian rally championship (CRC), so it's a stage rally.
I didn't think it looked so slow, but it did look a little sketchy from the outset!
| cooleyjb | 09-17-2006 04:34 PM |
So what was with the thing hanging where teh mirror normally goes. My eyes kept getting pulled to the movement.
Also why no gloves???
As to bjorn's comment, yeah you could see it coming about 4 turns early and the codriver did too. His pitch kept getting higher and higher.:eek:
Also why no gloves???
As to bjorn's comment, yeah you could see it coming about 4 turns early and the codriver did too. His pitch kept getting higher and higher.:eek:
| RallyCat66 | 09-17-2006 05:12 PM |
[QUOTE=boundy3;15275812]Is it me, or did they seem to never go over 35 mph? :confused:[/QUOTE]
Gesh... What do you expect from a Toyota Paseo? :lol:
Gesh... What do you expect from a Toyota Paseo? :lol:
| Howl | 09-17-2006 06:57 PM |
The driver, Matt is a member of SPDA (his street car is a Subie) and he said there that he didn't noticed the patch of tarmac on outside of the corner (they hadn't done the recce on that stage) and the change in surface caused him to loose it. Apparently the whole episode was caught on video by the TV crew working the rally, so when Defi aires it's sure to be televised.
| Doug Woods | 09-17-2006 07:18 PM |
[QUOTE=boundy3;15275812]Yeah, the car was all over the place at the first turn.
Is it me, or did they seem to never go over 35 mph? :confused:[/QUOTE]
I was spectating at this corner when he rolled. And, yes, two corners before the roll, you could tell that something interesting was going to happen.
Regarding, the speed. Cars always look slow when watching in-car videos. Also, from the stage start it is almost all uphill until a few corners before the roll.
Sylvain Erickson averaged 97 kph on this stage, which was run twice. I have seen a lot of cars on a lot of stages, but I have never seen anything quite like Sylvain on this stage.
He should have got an automatic invitation to the X Games, as he is by far the most spectacular rally driver in North America. Nobody is even close.
Doug Woods
Is it me, or did they seem to never go over 35 mph? :confused:[/QUOTE]
I was spectating at this corner when he rolled. And, yes, two corners before the roll, you could tell that something interesting was going to happen.
Regarding, the speed. Cars always look slow when watching in-car videos. Also, from the stage start it is almost all uphill until a few corners before the roll.
Sylvain Erickson averaged 97 kph on this stage, which was run twice. I have seen a lot of cars on a lot of stages, but I have never seen anything quite like Sylvain on this stage.
He should have got an automatic invitation to the X Games, as he is by far the most spectacular rally driver in North America. Nobody is even close.
Doug Woods
| bjorn240 | 09-17-2006 07:45 PM |
[QUOTE=Howl;15277522]The driver, Matt is a member of SPDA (his street car is a Subie) and he said there that he didn't noticed the patch of tarmac on outside of the corner (they hadn't done the recce on that stage) and the change in surface caused him to loose it.[/QUOTE]
Nonsense, the 6L was the prior corner. That was a 3L. He wasn't close to making it, regardless of surface.
Howl, if you know Matt, tell him to buy some gloves, move his seat forward about 2", cut off the Moomin troll, and HOLD ON TO THE WHEEL. If his hand is off the wheel for more than 1/2 second while shifting, something is wrong!
Also, I think the co-driver was so scared he missed the call after the "6L 40." Anyone want to guess what it was? I think 3L or 3L-. Doug, care to consult Catherine's notes?
- Christian
Nonsense, the 6L was the prior corner. That was a 3L. He wasn't close to making it, regardless of surface.
Howl, if you know Matt, tell him to buy some gloves, move his seat forward about 2", cut off the Moomin troll, and HOLD ON TO THE WHEEL. If his hand is off the wheel for more than 1/2 second while shifting, something is wrong!
Also, I think the co-driver was so scared he missed the call after the "6L 40." Anyone want to guess what it was? I think 3L or 3L-. Doug, care to consult Catherine's notes?
- Christian
| V6TurboTA | 09-17-2006 07:58 PM |
Typical subaru driver? ;)
~v6
~v6
| mykrrrr | 09-17-2006 08:11 PM |
It almost seems like he was @ the end of one page and perhaps skipped a page. He goes from 4R+ to 5R+ then calls 6L 40. There's nothing in between the 5R+ & 6L 40 and he's changing over pages.
Obviously I don't really know but to my untrained co-driver eyes that did look more like a 3L than a 6L.
Yeah the driver is way too far back in the seat. Looks like he's stretching to reach the wheel and too much sawing back and forth.
Glad to see they got righted pretty quickly and were able to continue the stage. Did they finish the rally?
Obviously I don't really know but to my untrained co-driver eyes that did look more like a 3L than a 6L.
Yeah the driver is way too far back in the seat. Looks like he's stretching to reach the wheel and too much sawing back and forth.
Glad to see they got righted pretty quickly and were able to continue the stage. Did they finish the rally?
| bjorn240 | 09-17-2006 08:15 PM |
I think the 6L is the really short corner up the hill, before the 3L. Travis would have written it "3L Late" I think.
- Christian
- Christian
| mykrrrr | 09-17-2006 08:39 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15278094]I think the 6L is the really short corner up the hill, before the 3L. Travis would have written it "3L Late" I think.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
I think it should have been 6L short into 3L @ top or something like that but again...I don't know squat.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
I think it should have been 6L short into 3L @ top or something like that but again...I don't know squat.
| bjorn240 | 09-17-2006 09:44 PM |
That seems reasonable to me, too.
| John Vanos | 09-18-2006 05:58 AM |
When I get home from work I will check what we had, but those were my notes, there are many ways to write them depending on driver preference, so its natural to have many opinions on how it should be noted. I agree though, the roll was telegraphed after the first hard left, he didnt slow down and it kept getting faster. The 'tarmac' piece by the time we got there (run reverse order friday night) was of no consequence as it was covered with gravel. I will post our incar of that stage when my codriver finishes it. In the meantime here are some of our videos from the saturday stages
In this stage we lost the exhaust system, had a flat, and somehow bent both rear strut rods. I still don't know what we hit to do that!
[url]http://media.putfile.com/Simon-Mulet-2-Defi2006[/url]
This stage, probably the most technical stage in Canada, we caught a Group5 Mitsu Lancer (2wd) about half way through the stage.
[url]http://media.putfile.com/Lac-Gagnon-2-Defi2006[/url]
This stage is really, really fast, and by the end we'd caught a Golf that started a minute ahead of us.
[url]http://media.putfile.com/Duhamel-2-Defi2006[/url]
In this stage we lost the exhaust system, had a flat, and somehow bent both rear strut rods. I still don't know what we hit to do that!
[url]http://media.putfile.com/Simon-Mulet-2-Defi2006[/url]
This stage, probably the most technical stage in Canada, we caught a Group5 Mitsu Lancer (2wd) about half way through the stage.
[url]http://media.putfile.com/Lac-Gagnon-2-Defi2006[/url]
This stage is really, really fast, and by the end we'd caught a Golf that started a minute ahead of us.
[url]http://media.putfile.com/Duhamel-2-Defi2006[/url]
| anders8 | 09-18-2006 08:04 AM |
:) My thought was "Did the codriver fall out the window during the roll?" because we didn't hear anything from him after the car got back on it's wheels! *grin*
Where's "the rest of the story"? What was the damage, was it fixable at service, rest of the rally, etcetera.
Cheers,
Anders
Where's "the rest of the story"? What was the damage, was it fixable at service, rest of the rally, etcetera.
Cheers,
Anders
| Howl | 09-18-2006 09:01 AM |
[QUOTE=anders8;15282250]:) My thought was "Did the codriver fall out the window during the roll?" because we didn't hear anything from him after the car got back on it's wheels! *grin*
Where's "the rest of the story"? What was the damage, was it fixable at service, rest of the rally, etcetera.
Cheers,
Anders[/QUOTE]
Apparently, and again going by what was said on SPDA, the co-driver lost the notes out the smashed window when they righted the car. Oops!
[URL="http://spda-online.ca/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=19"]http://spda-online.ca/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=19[/URL]
Where's "the rest of the story"? What was the damage, was it fixable at service, rest of the rally, etcetera.
Cheers,
Anders[/QUOTE]
Apparently, and again going by what was said on SPDA, the co-driver lost the notes out the smashed window when they righted the car. Oops!
[URL="http://spda-online.ca/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=19"]http://spda-online.ca/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=19[/URL]
| WRXMaster | 09-18-2006 12:40 PM |
4L- didn't look right ... I think it should of been a 3L-
The roll corner looks like a 3L
Its a video so its hard to tell exactly what those corners should be. I know when I first did recce I set my corners to 5's and 6's when they should of only been 3's and 4's.... Easy mistake when driving at recce speeds
The roll corner looks like a 3L
Its a video so its hard to tell exactly what those corners should be. I know when I first did recce I set my corners to 5's and 6's when they should of only been 3's and 4's.... Easy mistake when driving at recce speeds
| Doug Woods | 09-18-2006 01:02 PM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240;15277848]Anyone want to guess what it was? I think 3L or 3L-. Doug, care to consult Catherine's notes?[/QUOTE]
Christian:
I did. 3L. Or in her notes a 3G (3 gauche).
Doug Woods
Christian:
I did. 3L. Or in her notes a 3G (3 gauche).
Doug Woods
| Morison | 09-18-2006 02:46 PM |
Our notes were R4 75 L5 L2 100
I noticed that their corners were typically a half grade to a grader higher than ours. The gap from teh L5 was definately less than 40.
One of the first things I ever learned about performance driving was the stability that comes with using both hands on the wheel ... a bigger difference that just about any other mod you can do!
I noticed that their corners were typically a half grade to a grader higher than ours. The gap from teh L5 was definately less than 40.
One of the first things I ever learned about performance driving was the stability that comes with using both hands on the wheel ... a bigger difference that just about any other mod you can do!
| Doug Woods | 09-18-2006 03:05 PM |
[QUOTE=Morison;15286906]I noticed that their corners were typically a half grade to a grader higher than ours.[/QUOTE]
Keith:
That's what happens when you drive fast. :)
Doug Woods
Keith:
That's what happens when you drive fast. :)
Doug Woods
| Easy Rider | 09-18-2006 03:29 PM |
Not one to "talk" - cause I have rolled too - but he did seem a tad out of control several corners leading into it.
And yes - buy some gloves - even a cheap set of karting gloves will work.
And the alien thing hanging where the mirror should be - - would drive me nuts!
(it bugged me just watching the video)
Glad he got righted and could continue - with a very quiet co-driver.
And yes - buy some gloves - even a cheap set of karting gloves will work.
And the alien thing hanging where the mirror should be - - would drive me nuts!
(it bugged me just watching the video)
Glad he got righted and could continue - with a very quiet co-driver.
| 555ideways | 09-18-2006 04:29 PM |
I would have destroyed that videotape if i was the driver. - embarrassing -
| Morison | 09-18-2006 05:15 PM |
[QUOTE=555ideways;15288557]I would have destroyed that videotape if i was the driver. - embarrassing -[/QUOTE]
Then again ... if you're secure enough to show embarrasing footage, you might actually get decent feedback that will help you improve. There's a LOT of reflection that needs to be done over this and his other incar tapes, and that only comes with an open mind.
There's nothing embarassing about actually being on a stage and competing!
Then again ... if you're secure enough to show embarrasing footage, you might actually get decent feedback that will help you improve. There's a LOT of reflection that needs to be done over this and his other incar tapes, and that only comes with an open mind.
There's nothing embarassing about actually being on a stage and competing!
| Morison | 09-18-2006 05:18 PM |
[QUOTE=Doug Woods;15287221]Keith:
That's what happens when you drive fast. :)
Doug Woods[/QUOTE]
or 'ride' fast I guess :-)
(I openly admit that I can ride faster than I can drive ... although I am a faster driver now than when I sold my RS)
That's what happens when you drive fast. :)
Doug Woods[/QUOTE]
or 'ride' fast I guess :-)
(I openly admit that I can ride faster than I can drive ... although I am a faster driver now than when I sold my RS)
| mykrrrr | 09-18-2006 07:03 PM |
[QUOTE=555ideways;15288557]I would have destroyed that videotape if i was the driver. - embarrassing -[/QUOTE]
I agree w/Morison...why would you be embarrassed? The driver made an error and crashed (notice how I didn't place blame on the co-driver :p)
It's all a learning tool to take the good from the bad and improve. :)
I'm glad to hear they're both safe and can rally another day.
John Vanos - HOLY CRAP that first stage video you posted is long... :lol:
I agree w/Morison...why would you be embarrassed? The driver made an error and crashed (notice how I didn't place blame on the co-driver :p)
It's all a learning tool to take the good from the bad and improve. :)
I'm glad to hear they're both safe and can rally another day.
John Vanos - HOLY CRAP that first stage video you posted is long... :lol:
| Easy Rider | 09-18-2006 07:07 PM |
I agree - it does take a little bit thicker skin to post up your roll videos - at least it did for me.
Out of all of the comments on mine - only one was was negative.
Lots of positives come out of realizing your mistakes and learning from them.
At least he led with the co drivers side! :banana:
Out of all of the comments on mine - only one was was negative.
Lots of positives come out of realizing your mistakes and learning from them.
At least he led with the co drivers side! :banana:
| John Vanos | 09-18-2006 07:31 PM |
I agree, nothing wrong with making a mistake and posting it....It happens when you try! As far as the notes opinions, im curious....were you guys making Jemba style notes, or Pace notes? I was making pace notes, the degree of corner relates to my personal gear selection for the corner and its grade, obviously, having only done about 6 recce events I am learning but I was certainly very pleased with them after the event, I thought they were good...for ME, anyone else, we just did a huge favour to them by provinding something they wanted for nothing...
Yes, the vid is long, but so was the stage with a lot that happened to us, the long ones are more posted for my enjoyment and reflection rather than others, but I used to and still do watch all the incar I can to learn what to do and not do from myself and others
Yes, the vid is long, but so was the stage with a lot that happened to us, the long ones are more posted for my enjoyment and reflection rather than others, but I used to and still do watch all the incar I can to learn what to do and not do from myself and others
| Morison | 09-18-2006 07:46 PM |
[QUOTE=John Vanos;15291001]As far as the notes opinions, im curious....were you guys making Jemba style notes, or Pace notes? [/QUOTE]
Seeing as we run a number of jemba events, I'd say that our noting is a blend of pace notes and Jemba. Initial corner grading has to do with radius and line, and will get tweaked with how we plan to drive it.
For us it makes sense to use jemba-ish notes ... and we seem to be able to make them work, which is the most important thing. Norm recently told me that he was driving to what I was calling while on a very familiar road, and not even thinking about what was coming ahead.
Seeing as we run a number of jemba events, I'd say that our noting is a blend of pace notes and Jemba. Initial corner grading has to do with radius and line, and will get tweaked with how we plan to drive it.
For us it makes sense to use jemba-ish notes ... and we seem to be able to make them work, which is the most important thing. Norm recently told me that he was driving to what I was calling while on a very familiar road, and not even thinking about what was coming ahead.
| John Vanos | 09-18-2006 08:04 PM |
Thats exactly my point Keith, you guys have a system, and it works for you, so, great! This notes thing is something I have started to obsess over, I imagine what i'd note a road as while im driving to work, or think of specific places in the notes that i'd make differently next time in order to go faster. Of course, all this notes obsessing doesnt do everything for me as I still dont have the courage to always hold it down in the really fast stuff as you all can see from my videos, that is the main reason that I am losing time I think, that and turning in too early, but I think they are related, it has to do with confidence in me and the car I think
| Morison | 09-18-2006 08:30 PM |
John,
I watched your videos from defi, and even compared notes for much of Lac Gagnon (did you use last years as a baseline or start fresh?)
I'd agree taht you are overthinking the notes ... I'd almost say that you are getting too complex in areas that are straightforward and using notes that 'sound good' in others. But I also didn't 'get' your noting style.
We've sorta figured out that confidence in the notes and the delivery of the notes is worth close to 2 sec/km - or 7m10s at Defi.
I did notice that you were turning in later :-)
I watched your videos from defi, and even compared notes for much of Lac Gagnon (did you use last years as a baseline or start fresh?)
I'd agree taht you are overthinking the notes ... I'd almost say that you are getting too complex in areas that are straightforward and using notes that 'sound good' in others. But I also didn't 'get' your noting style.
We've sorta figured out that confidence in the notes and the delivery of the notes is worth close to 2 sec/km - or 7m10s at Defi.
I did notice that you were turning in later :-)
| bitterWRX | 09-18-2006 08:48 PM |
Is that a Toyota Tercel, Celica, or Paseo?
| John Vanos | 09-18-2006 09:05 PM |
Paseo, bone stock but Hotbits suspension
| Evo3Codriver | 09-18-2006 11:21 PM |
Time to find another codriver
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I thought maybe there was no codriver instructions after the roll was because the driver pushed him out for not calling the T left and instead duplicating the L6 instruction. I know the turn/stage well. If they'd recced it, its a no-brainer as the stage is like 2km long. Nice to know that they are no longer starting the stage on the steep uphill.
Having rolled once and cart-wheeled another time at Defi, perhaps I'm not one to talk though. Each were when it was run as a tulip rally. Scary.
Having rolled once and cart-wheeled another time at Defi, perhaps I'm not one to talk though. Each were when it was run as a tulip rally. Scary.
| rallynutdon | 09-19-2006 01:32 PM |
You guys keep bringing up gloves. Although I've never tried them, after 6 years of driving I have never felt as if they would have done me any good. Thoughts, comments, etc. Thanks.
| anders8 | 09-19-2006 01:40 PM |
Hey Don :)
I use them, and here's what I've found: I don't have to grip the wheel as hard, as there's more friction between the wheel and glove than there is between the wheel and my bare palm.
Go down to the mall, buy a $10 pair of "driving gloves" (the sissy thin black leather kind) and try 'em out for a rally. I started with those and wore holes through them, then got beefier ones. In any case, a cheap way to try out the 'glove system'. :)
Cheers!
Anders
I use them, and here's what I've found: I don't have to grip the wheel as hard, as there's more friction between the wheel and glove than there is between the wheel and my bare palm.
Go down to the mall, buy a $10 pair of "driving gloves" (the sissy thin black leather kind) and try 'em out for a rally. I started with those and wore holes through them, then got beefier ones. In any case, a cheap way to try out the 'glove system'. :)
Cheers!
Anders
| cooleyjb | 09-19-2006 01:48 PM |
[QUOTE=rallynutdon;15300563]You guys keep bringing up gloves. Although I've never tried them, after 6 years of driving I have never felt as if they would have done me any good. Thoughts, comments, etc. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Gloves are cheap and your hands aren't.
I wear gloves for a few reasons
sweaty hands
fire protection
abrasion protection
looks cooler ;)
protects my manicure...... wait i mean ummmm
There are lots of reasons to wear them and none not too.
If you don't need a fire rating get some karting gloves, but still they aren't that expensive and not having hand usage for things would really suck.
Gloves are cheap and your hands aren't.
I wear gloves for a few reasons
sweaty hands
fire protection
abrasion protection
looks cooler ;)
protects my manicure...... wait i mean ummmm
There are lots of reasons to wear them and none not too.
If you don't need a fire rating get some karting gloves, but still they aren't that expensive and not having hand usage for things would really suck.
| fliz | 09-19-2006 03:14 PM |
Another reason for gloves is they protect your hands when your car dies on stage and you have to reconnect all the wires on your ignition coil...which is tucked behind the intake manifold and right above the exhaust.
| cooleyjb | 09-19-2006 03:32 PM |
[QUOTE=fliz;15302064]Another reason for gloves is they protect your hands when your car dies on stage and you have to reconnect all the wires on your ignition coil...which is tucked behind the intake manifold and right above the exhaust.[/QUOTE]
That's what your codriver is for. Jay needs something to do in between refreshing his barf bag.
That's what your codriver is for. Jay needs something to do in between refreshing his barf bag.
| mykrrrr | 09-19-2006 03:52 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb;15302310]That's what your codriver is for. Jay needs something to do in between refreshing his barf bag.[/QUOTE]
Don't give Tom (our driver) any ideas there... :furious:
Don't give Tom (our driver) any ideas there... :furious:
| fliz | 09-19-2006 04:21 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb;15302310]That's what your codriver is for. Jay needs something to do in between refreshing his barf bag.[/QUOTE]
He was busy running down the road to put up a triangle and waving to cars.
Those book-wormy codrivers aren't much good with mechanical stuff anyways... ;)
He was busy running down the road to put up a triangle and waving to cars.
Those book-wormy codrivers aren't much good with mechanical stuff anyways... ;)
| Easy Rider | 09-19-2006 07:01 PM |
Gloves - how about for when you have to hammer out the windshield with your hands to get you and your codriver out?
26 times I had to hit it with the heal of my hand - took about 9 seconds.
(all captured on in car video - see we can learn things!)
[IMG]http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/383/dsc00766dh5.jpg[/IMG]
26 times I had to hit it with the heal of my hand - took about 9 seconds.
(all captured on in car video - see we can learn things!)
[IMG]http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/383/dsc00766dh5.jpg[/IMG]
| akuhner | 09-19-2006 08:33 PM |
I was 2 cars behind the Paseo, and I'll say that I was pretty loose around those few corners as well. With no shake down stage, I had no idea how the car would handle. However, I have to agree that the "tarmac patch" thing is BS, I never even saw it! :lol:
I was using John's notes as well, and they worked out fine for us (thanks again, John!). The only problems I had were that the distances were weird to me, and there were cautions that didn't affect a car at my speed. We still called all the cautions because some of them were critical, and I probably lost some time for it. Having someone else's notes was better than going blind, or not doing the rally at all, which were my only other options!
[IMG]http://i.pbase.com/g3/71/480571/2/66823905.cmczkWW3.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.pbase.com/g3/71/480571/2/66823907.K0SHFsJe.jpg[/IMG]
I was using John's notes as well, and they worked out fine for us (thanks again, John!). The only problems I had were that the distances were weird to me, and there were cautions that didn't affect a car at my speed. We still called all the cautions because some of them were critical, and I probably lost some time for it. Having someone else's notes was better than going blind, or not doing the rally at all, which were my only other options!
[IMG]http://i.pbase.com/g3/71/480571/2/66823905.cmczkWW3.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.pbase.com/g3/71/480571/2/66823907.K0SHFsJe.jpg[/IMG]
| John Vanos | 09-19-2006 09:25 PM |
Yep....the distances are not very consistant, its a problem of mine, one which Alan usually corrects without me knowing! However, if it is 70m or 80m, makes no real difference to me....40m compared to 8m is more of an issue obviously
Hope to see you guys out at more Canadian events when time allows for you Alex!
Hope to see you guys out at more Canadian events when time allows for you Alex!
| akuhner | 09-20-2006 04:14 PM |
John - It was wierd, when the notes said 50 I felt like it was 25! It only took half a stage to get used to it, but I was surprised because I knew you'd be going faster than I was!
On Montpellier there was one corner where you hadn't noted it as "no cut," and I love to cut on tarmac, so I went for it only to find a huge ramp shaped boulder that shot my side of the car up in the air! After we landed we added a "no cut" there! :lol:
Back on topic - I think the Paseo finished, didn't they? There were problems with the right rear hub, and for a part of it they ran with only 1 out of 2 wheel bearings back there, but they finished!
On Montpellier there was one corner where you hadn't noted it as "no cut," and I love to cut on tarmac, so I went for it only to find a huge ramp shaped boulder that shot my side of the car up in the air! After we landed we added a "no cut" there! :lol:
Back on topic - I think the Paseo finished, didn't they? There were problems with the right rear hub, and for a part of it they ran with only 1 out of 2 wheel bearings back there, but they finished!
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