| sdogg3kgt | 03-25-2004 12:48 AM |
Do you think F1 will be boring this year?
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Michael Schumacher already won the first two races of the season. Do you think Ferrari and he will just completely dominate and take him to yet another title?
Discuss.
Discuss.
| Bonzo | 03-25-2004 01:27 AM |
try motorsports n0b[sic].
I'm on a n00b kick these past 10 minutes:huh:
I'm on a n00b kick these past 10 minutes:huh:
| nhluhr | 03-25-2004 01:27 AM |
I think Schumi needs to be beaten instead of retiring with the crown like a prick (e.g. Alain Prost in 1993).
| nhluhr | 03-25-2004 01:28 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bonzo[/i]
[B] try motorsports n0b.
I'm on a n00b kick these past 10 minutes:huh: [/B][/QUOTE]
usually it's the n00bs that misspell things.:lol:
[B] try motorsports n0b.
I'm on a n00b kick these past 10 minutes:huh: [/B][/QUOTE]
usually it's the n00bs that misspell things.:lol:
| Bonzo | 03-25-2004 01:29 AM |
I did that on purpose.
It will be a new trend.:alien:
It will be a new trend.:alien:
| thesmokingman | 03-25-2004 01:51 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by nhluhr [/i]
[B]I think Schumi needs to be beaten instead of retiring with the crown like a prick (e.g. Alain Prost in 1993). [/B][/QUOTE]
He's quite the confident lad isn't he? However, I wouldn't compare him to the ass that is Prost.
[B]I think Schumi needs to be beaten instead of retiring with the crown like a prick (e.g. Alain Prost in 1993). [/B][/QUOTE]
He's quite the confident lad isn't he? However, I wouldn't compare him to the ass that is Prost.
| nhluhr | 03-25-2004 02:00 AM |
Schumi was too much of a personal friend to Ayrton Senna to do something like Prost's retiring early stunt.
Funny though, i was watching F1 decade as well the past month and Schumacher won the first two races of 1994 as well (Brazil and "Pacific" in Japan)
I think MS deserves to be confident. He is the winningest driver in F1 history.
Funny though, i was watching F1 decade as well the past month and Schumacher won the first two races of 1994 as well (Brazil and "Pacific" in Japan)
I think MS deserves to be confident. He is the winningest driver in F1 history.
| Dolphin Overton | 03-25-2004 02:26 AM |
shumi needs to be beaten with a sharp knife... oh wait that's stabbing. sorry. i hate ferrari.
| nhluhr | 03-25-2004 04:30 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dolphin Overton[/i]
[B] shumi needs to be beaten with a sharp knife... oh wait that's stabbing. sorry. i hate ferrari. [/B][/QUOTE]
Why do you hate Ferrari? What's wrong with a company that pours its entire meaning into one sport and is really good at it? Would you prefer to see a bunch of pathetic teams like "[i]Ber[/i]nardi", Jordan, and Jaguar all scraping to see who doesn't DNF on a particular weekend?
Without premier teams like McLaren, Ferrari, and Williams, the sport would be much less interesting.
[B] shumi needs to be beaten with a sharp knife... oh wait that's stabbing. sorry. i hate ferrari. [/B][/QUOTE]
Why do you hate Ferrari? What's wrong with a company that pours its entire meaning into one sport and is really good at it? Would you prefer to see a bunch of pathetic teams like "[i]Ber[/i]nardi", Jordan, and Jaguar all scraping to see who doesn't DNF on a particular weekend?
Without premier teams like McLaren, Ferrari, and Williams, the sport would be much less interesting.
| amp5 | 03-25-2004 07:46 AM |
I love to hate ferrari. And i mean that in the, rooting against them and for the underdogs kinda way...
| artkevin | 03-25-2004 09:31 AM |
I think that this season could shape up to be a good one. From the pace of Rubens' red car in Maylasia (the true bench mark of their speed) they were not dominating. With the Williams holding so close it looks promising. I was also impressed with the Jag of Webber. He qualified well with what looked to be a good amount of fuel and hussled Ralph in the FW26. If Ferrari does walk away from it the title for second and third should be amazing with BAR, Jag, Mclaren, Renault, Williams and even Sauber (mini Ferrari) in the hunt.
| Dussander | 03-25-2004 11:02 AM |
Montoya will hunt Michael down. :D
| gtguy | 03-25-2004 11:39 AM |
First of all, why is excellence boring? Like the Michael Jordan-era Chicago Bulls, we might never see this degree of effort that results in victories again. I'm having a great time watching it, even if the red cars just run off and hide. Schumacher is still a wonderful driver to watch.
In Malaysia, Barrichello had the hard Bridgestone compound, while Schumacher had the soft compound. So both cars were reflective of Ferrari's actual pace. Don't forget that once Barrichello got around that Minardi, he stretched his gap on Montoya by an impressive amount right before going into the pits.
This is going to be an interesting season. I don't think that the Ferraris are going to run off and hide. Then again, we don't know how fast those cars are, yet. Montoya's fast lap at Malaysia was over a half-second faster than Schumacher's fast lap, but Schumacher wasn't really pushing all that hard, once he stretched out the lead on Montoya. We do know that his 1:33:07 in qualifying was insane. And the fact that Barrichello was third on hard tires and a heavier fuel load, points to an impressive amount of pace for the Ferraris.
Williams will get it together, so will McLaren, and don't forget about BAR. The "Evolution" car has been very, very fast. Bits of it will find their way to the race car, so they should also improve.
But I don't equate Ferrari victories with boredom. Williams was dominant, nobody was saying that was "bad for F1." McLaren was dominant, nobody was saying that was "bad for F1." What makes Ferrari/Schumacher victories such a bad thing? I don't understand it.
Celebrate excellence, don't slag it, IMHO.
Schumacher might well retire with the Driver's Championship. There wouldn't be anything wrong with that. Rare is the athlete who accomplishes going out on top. Michael Jordan did, then he screwed it up with one comeback too many. If Schumacher wins the title this season, I do think he'll retire. Seven overall titles is a record that is astounding. Then again, he still seems to really love racing, and as long as the Ferrari is competitive, his talent can get the car up there.
On point, this season is going to be exciting as usual, whether there's a red car running off into the distance or not.
Kevin
In Malaysia, Barrichello had the hard Bridgestone compound, while Schumacher had the soft compound. So both cars were reflective of Ferrari's actual pace. Don't forget that once Barrichello got around that Minardi, he stretched his gap on Montoya by an impressive amount right before going into the pits.
This is going to be an interesting season. I don't think that the Ferraris are going to run off and hide. Then again, we don't know how fast those cars are, yet. Montoya's fast lap at Malaysia was over a half-second faster than Schumacher's fast lap, but Schumacher wasn't really pushing all that hard, once he stretched out the lead on Montoya. We do know that his 1:33:07 in qualifying was insane. And the fact that Barrichello was third on hard tires and a heavier fuel load, points to an impressive amount of pace for the Ferraris.
Williams will get it together, so will McLaren, and don't forget about BAR. The "Evolution" car has been very, very fast. Bits of it will find their way to the race car, so they should also improve.
But I don't equate Ferrari victories with boredom. Williams was dominant, nobody was saying that was "bad for F1." McLaren was dominant, nobody was saying that was "bad for F1." What makes Ferrari/Schumacher victories such a bad thing? I don't understand it.
Celebrate excellence, don't slag it, IMHO.
Schumacher might well retire with the Driver's Championship. There wouldn't be anything wrong with that. Rare is the athlete who accomplishes going out on top. Michael Jordan did, then he screwed it up with one comeback too many. If Schumacher wins the title this season, I do think he'll retire. Seven overall titles is a record that is astounding. Then again, he still seems to really love racing, and as long as the Ferrari is competitive, his talent can get the car up there.
On point, this season is going to be exciting as usual, whether there's a red car running off into the distance or not.
Kevin
| erich_sc | 03-25-2004 12:11 PM |
what Kevin said
| somebody else | 03-25-2004 12:18 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by erich_sc [/i]
[B]what Kevin said [/B][/QUOTE]
ditto.
People that are "bored" with current F1 or people that "hate" Schumacher and/or Ferrari: History is being made people. Right now. People will talk about this decade for the next 100 years. For this reason alone you should try to get out and see a live race. Something to tell you grandkids about.
--scott
[B]what Kevin said [/B][/QUOTE]
ditto.
People that are "bored" with current F1 or people that "hate" Schumacher and/or Ferrari: History is being made people. Right now. People will talk about this decade for the next 100 years. For this reason alone you should try to get out and see a live race. Something to tell you grandkids about.
--scott
| NC2.5RS | 03-25-2004 01:15 PM |
Schumacher and Ferrari seem pretty unstoppable if they keep up this pace.
| jmott | 03-25-2004 02:18 PM |
I still want to see the cars lose the wings and bring back active suspension =)
let the race teams pour some tought and money into technology that will be immensely relevant to street cars.
let the race teams pour some tought and money into technology that will be immensely relevant to street cars.
| Dussander | 03-25-2004 02:24 PM |
Active suspension ran at stupid high PSI and failed often, and that was on a relatively light car and a relatively smooth surface.
Active suspension would be cool, but I don't think the technology is even close to being there for street cars. At least not on the F1 caliber.
Active suspension would be cool, but I don't think the technology is even close to being there for street cars. At least not on the F1 caliber.
| gtguy | 03-25-2004 02:53 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jmott [/i]
[B]I still want to see the cars lose the wings and bring back active suspension =)
let the race teams pour some tought and money into technology that will be immensely relevant to street cars. [/B][/QUOTE]
Formula One isn't really about relevance to street cars, though the odd thing (paddle shifters, for one) trickles down. It is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsports excellence. I can't believe Jarno Trulli, representing the F1 drivers, is saying that modern F1 cars are too fast. They're supposed to be fast. They turn engineers loose with tens of millions of dollars, to make cars fast.
You can make F1 "exciting," by making it a spec racing series. Same cars and tires for everybody. Schumacher would still win, because he's the best driver, but the racing would be closer. Then increase mechanical grip (full slicks), remove downforce and most importantly, give 'em cast iron brake rotors. Then, you'd see all kinds of passing. But you'd also legislate out excellence.
Don't forget that with active suspension, ABS, automatic trannies and everything, there were still the haves and have nots. It's unavoidable unless you make it a spec racing series, or limit budgets, like salary caps in other sports. But even with budget limitations, there are always ways around the rules.
What I would really like to see is F1 subsidize the lesser teams. Testing and wind tunnel time make a big difference. Build an FIA wind tunnel, and allow extra testing. Another rule being floated about is that the top four engine constructors have to supply two other teams, affordably. So Renault, Ferrari, Mercedes and BMW would all have to supply other teams on the grid. More power, more better.
But the wind tunnel and testing thing are still the mojo, not to mention driver talent. Don't forget that Sauber has a car that was essentially the class of the paddock last year, the F2003, with the F2004 motor and gearbox. And they're mid-packers. That's the pace of devlopment in Formula One.
What is particularly grafifying about Ferrari's excellence, is that they got it done last year, despite rules changes aimed directly at them as a team, and what they did in 2002. It looks like they're even better this year, and I like that, for the same reason I loved watching the Jordan Bulls. Let 'em all get better.
The down side is that Schumacher's ascendancy has kept other drivers from having their opportunity at winning a championship, again like Jordan did for guys like Patrick Ewing or Charles Barkley. But that's life. Look at a poor sod like Joop Zoetemelk, who finished second in the Tour de France six times. He had the misfortune to have a career that paralleled that of two of the greatest cyclists ever, Eddy Merckx and Bernard Hinault. If not for those guys, he's there.
That's life, indeed.
Kevin
[B]I still want to see the cars lose the wings and bring back active suspension =)
let the race teams pour some tought and money into technology that will be immensely relevant to street cars. [/B][/QUOTE]
Formula One isn't really about relevance to street cars, though the odd thing (paddle shifters, for one) trickles down. It is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsports excellence. I can't believe Jarno Trulli, representing the F1 drivers, is saying that modern F1 cars are too fast. They're supposed to be fast. They turn engineers loose with tens of millions of dollars, to make cars fast.
You can make F1 "exciting," by making it a spec racing series. Same cars and tires for everybody. Schumacher would still win, because he's the best driver, but the racing would be closer. Then increase mechanical grip (full slicks), remove downforce and most importantly, give 'em cast iron brake rotors. Then, you'd see all kinds of passing. But you'd also legislate out excellence.
Don't forget that with active suspension, ABS, automatic trannies and everything, there were still the haves and have nots. It's unavoidable unless you make it a spec racing series, or limit budgets, like salary caps in other sports. But even with budget limitations, there are always ways around the rules.
What I would really like to see is F1 subsidize the lesser teams. Testing and wind tunnel time make a big difference. Build an FIA wind tunnel, and allow extra testing. Another rule being floated about is that the top four engine constructors have to supply two other teams, affordably. So Renault, Ferrari, Mercedes and BMW would all have to supply other teams on the grid. More power, more better.
But the wind tunnel and testing thing are still the mojo, not to mention driver talent. Don't forget that Sauber has a car that was essentially the class of the paddock last year, the F2003, with the F2004 motor and gearbox. And they're mid-packers. That's the pace of devlopment in Formula One.
What is particularly grafifying about Ferrari's excellence, is that they got it done last year, despite rules changes aimed directly at them as a team, and what they did in 2002. It looks like they're even better this year, and I like that, for the same reason I loved watching the Jordan Bulls. Let 'em all get better.
The down side is that Schumacher's ascendancy has kept other drivers from having their opportunity at winning a championship, again like Jordan did for guys like Patrick Ewing or Charles Barkley. But that's life. Look at a poor sod like Joop Zoetemelk, who finished second in the Tour de France six times. He had the misfortune to have a career that paralleled that of two of the greatest cyclists ever, Eddy Merckx and Bernard Hinault. If not for those guys, he's there.
That's life, indeed.
Kevin
| Dr. WOT | 03-25-2004 02:58 PM |
The season is going to be closer than most people are assuming. I still say watch out for McLaren.
| jmott | 03-25-2004 03:25 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]Active suspension ran at stupid high PSI and failed often, and that was on a relatively light car and a relatively smooth surface.
Active suspension would be cool, but I don't think the technology is even close to being there for street cars. At least not on the F1 caliber. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, and the tech isn't going to get any closer if F1 isn't experimenting with it.
I simply find cars that can absorb bumps like a lexus, but have BEYOND infinite roll stiffness (cars leaning INTO the turns) etc etc to be far more cool, and intersting, than slightly improving downforce and reducing drag with weird aero tweaks.
call me crazy
[B]Active suspension ran at stupid high PSI and failed often, and that was on a relatively light car and a relatively smooth surface.
Active suspension would be cool, but I don't think the technology is even close to being there for street cars. At least not on the F1 caliber. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, and the tech isn't going to get any closer if F1 isn't experimenting with it.
I simply find cars that can absorb bumps like a lexus, but have BEYOND infinite roll stiffness (cars leaning INTO the turns) etc etc to be far more cool, and intersting, than slightly improving downforce and reducing drag with weird aero tweaks.
call me crazy
| jmott | 03-25-2004 03:28 PM |
I think active suspension represents more engineering excellence and excitement than does winged cars mounted to suspensions that don't move because if they did the downforce would put them in the cement.
I dont want it to be a spec series, I wan't haves and have nots. I like it.
I also consider active suspension to be different than drivers aids like ABS and 'traction control'. They don't help the driver tell the car where to go, or how hard to turn or stop the tires, it simply keeps the tires flat on the ground all the time. its fascinating stuff, I reccomend reading up on it.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]Formula One isn't really about relevance to street cars, though the odd thing (paddle shifters, for one) trickles down. It is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsports excellence. I can't believe Jarno Trulli, representing the F1 drivers, is saying that modern F1 cars are too fast. They're supposed to be fast. They turn engineers loose with tens of millions of dollars, to make cars fast.
You can make F1 "exciting," by making it a spec racing series. Same cars and tires for everybody. Schumacher would still win, because he's the best driver, but the racing would be closer. Then increase mechanical grip (full slicks), remove downforce and most importantly, give 'em cast iron brake rotors. Then, you'd see all kinds of passing. But you'd also legislate out excellence.
Don't forget that with active suspension, ABS, automatic trannies and everything, there were still the haves and have nots. It's unavoidable unless you make it a spec racing series, or limit budgets, like salary caps in other sports. But even with budget limitations, there are always ways around the rules.
What I would really like to see is F1 subsidize the lesser teams. Testing and wind tunnel time make a big difference. Build an FIA wind tunnel, and allow extra testing. Another rule being floated about is that the top four engine constructors have to supply two other teams, affordably. So Renault, Ferrari, Mercedes and BMW would all have to supply other teams on the grid. More power, more better.
But the wind tunnel and testing thing are still the mojo, not to mention driver talent. Don't forget that Sauber has a car that was essentially the class of the paddock last year, the F2003, with the F2004 motor and gearbox. And they're mid-packers. That's the pace of devlopment in Formula One.
What is particularly grafifying about Ferrari's excellence, is that they got it done last year, despite rules changes aimed directly at them as a team, and what they did in 2002. It looks like they're even better this year, and I like that, for the same reason I loved watching the Jordan Bulls. Let 'em all get better.
The down side is that Schumacher's ascendancy has kept other drivers from having their opportunity at winning a championship, again like Jordan did for guys like Patrick Ewing or Charles Barkley. But that's life. Look at a poor sod like Joop Zoetemelk, who finished second in the Tour de France six times. He had the misfortune to have a career that paralleled that of two of the greatest cyclists ever, Eddy Merckx and Bernard Hinault. If not for those guys, he's there.
That's life, indeed.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
I dont want it to be a spec series, I wan't haves and have nots. I like it.
I also consider active suspension to be different than drivers aids like ABS and 'traction control'. They don't help the driver tell the car where to go, or how hard to turn or stop the tires, it simply keeps the tires flat on the ground all the time. its fascinating stuff, I reccomend reading up on it.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]Formula One isn't really about relevance to street cars, though the odd thing (paddle shifters, for one) trickles down. It is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsports excellence. I can't believe Jarno Trulli, representing the F1 drivers, is saying that modern F1 cars are too fast. They're supposed to be fast. They turn engineers loose with tens of millions of dollars, to make cars fast.
You can make F1 "exciting," by making it a spec racing series. Same cars and tires for everybody. Schumacher would still win, because he's the best driver, but the racing would be closer. Then increase mechanical grip (full slicks), remove downforce and most importantly, give 'em cast iron brake rotors. Then, you'd see all kinds of passing. But you'd also legislate out excellence.
Don't forget that with active suspension, ABS, automatic trannies and everything, there were still the haves and have nots. It's unavoidable unless you make it a spec racing series, or limit budgets, like salary caps in other sports. But even with budget limitations, there are always ways around the rules.
What I would really like to see is F1 subsidize the lesser teams. Testing and wind tunnel time make a big difference. Build an FIA wind tunnel, and allow extra testing. Another rule being floated about is that the top four engine constructors have to supply two other teams, affordably. So Renault, Ferrari, Mercedes and BMW would all have to supply other teams on the grid. More power, more better.
But the wind tunnel and testing thing are still the mojo, not to mention driver talent. Don't forget that Sauber has a car that was essentially the class of the paddock last year, the F2003, with the F2004 motor and gearbox. And they're mid-packers. That's the pace of devlopment in Formula One.
What is particularly grafifying about Ferrari's excellence, is that they got it done last year, despite rules changes aimed directly at them as a team, and what they did in 2002. It looks like they're even better this year, and I like that, for the same reason I loved watching the Jordan Bulls. Let 'em all get better.
The down side is that Schumacher's ascendancy has kept other drivers from having their opportunity at winning a championship, again like Jordan did for guys like Patrick Ewing or Charles Barkley. But that's life. Look at a poor sod like Joop Zoetemelk, who finished second in the Tour de France six times. He had the misfortune to have a career that paralleled that of two of the greatest cyclists ever, Eddy Merckx and Bernard Hinault. If not for those guys, he's there.
That's life, indeed.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
| ElGranBan� | 03-25-2004 07:53 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dr. WOT [/i]
[B]The season is going to be closer than most people are assuming. I still say watch out for McLaren. [/B][/QUOTE]
I hope you're right. After two races Kimi has yet to have an engine hold together.
Its funny how when McLaren was dominating a few years back they were all about the "Mercedes" engines, now that they are popping like shaken soda bottles they're referred to as "Ilmor built" Mercedes engines. Way to go Ilmor! ;)
[B]The season is going to be closer than most people are assuming. I still say watch out for McLaren. [/B][/QUOTE]
I hope you're right. After two races Kimi has yet to have an engine hold together.
Its funny how when McLaren was dominating a few years back they were all about the "Mercedes" engines, now that they are popping like shaken soda bottles they're referred to as "Ilmor built" Mercedes engines. Way to go Ilmor! ;)
| StuBeck | 03-25-2004 10:32 PM |
I don't understand how people can say its going to be a boring year, 2 races in and ferrari was not very dominant in the race last weekend. Give Williams some time to develop their car and it'll start to get even better.
| somebody else | 03-26-2004 02:37 AM |
And last week a SUBARU won 3rd place. :eek:
I mean a Prodrive/ Dave Richards team.
I mean a Honduh.
I mean BAR.
So a 3rd place F1 is just one degree of separation from a Scooby!!! :D :banana:
I mean a Prodrive/ Dave Richards team.
I mean a Honduh.
I mean BAR.
So a 3rd place F1 is just one degree of separation from a Scooby!!! :D :banana:
| Dr. WOT | 03-26-2004 08:05 AM |
Let's not bring up Subaru and F1 in the same sentence, their attempt in the sport is better left forgotten.
[img]http://f1rejects.crosswinds.net/teams/coloni/coloni6.jpg[/img]
[img]http://f1rejects.crosswinds.net/teams/coloni/coloni6.jpg[/img]
| Chromer | 03-26-2004 08:51 AM |
Well, it's not like the Subaru F1 effort had a long development period, or the budget of a front-running team. That they were even in the ballpark power-wise (I've read they were down about 80hp somewhere) was remarkable.
Even with lots of factory support witness how long it's taken BAR/Honda to get up to speed (how much of that lagging was due to JV we may never know, but it certainly looks like he was part of the problem), and Honda was the premiere F1 engine at one time.
Even with lots of factory support witness how long it's taken BAR/Honda to get up to speed (how much of that lagging was due to JV we may never know, but it certainly looks like he was part of the problem), and Honda was the premiere F1 engine at one time.
| gtguy | 03-26-2004 11:14 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by StuBeck [/i]
[B]I don't understand how people can say its going to be a boring year, 2 races in and ferrari was not very dominant in the race last weekend. Give Williams some time to develop their car and it'll start to get even better. [/B][/QUOTE]
I still think M. Schumacher was cruising. Press reports have also noticed how smooth and easy his drive was, and how he wasn't, except on a rare occasion, even coming close to using all the track, as he would when really pushing for pace.
Interesting stuff. McLaren will definitely get faster. They can't help it. :lol: So will Williams and BAR. But, so will Ferrari.
Kevin
[B]I don't understand how people can say its going to be a boring year, 2 races in and ferrari was not very dominant in the race last weekend. Give Williams some time to develop their car and it'll start to get even better. [/B][/QUOTE]
I still think M. Schumacher was cruising. Press reports have also noticed how smooth and easy his drive was, and how he wasn't, except on a rare occasion, even coming close to using all the track, as he would when really pushing for pace.
Interesting stuff. McLaren will definitely get faster. They can't help it. :lol: So will Williams and BAR. But, so will Ferrari.
Kevin
| erich_sc | 03-26-2004 08:07 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jmott [/i]
[B]I think active suspension represents more engineering excellence and excitement than does winged cars mounted to suspensions that don't move because if they did the downforce would put them in the cement.[/B][/QUOTE]
More excitement? Perhaps... More engineering excellence? Are you saying that the aerodynamic teams working for Ferrari and Renault are demonstrating any bit less than engineering excellence? I think not.
[B]I think active suspension represents more engineering excellence and excitement than does winged cars mounted to suspensions that don't move because if they did the downforce would put them in the cement.[/B][/QUOTE]
More excitement? Perhaps... More engineering excellence? Are you saying that the aerodynamic teams working for Ferrari and Renault are demonstrating any bit less than engineering excellence? I think not.
| gtguy | 03-27-2004 09:32 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by erich_sc [/i]
[B]More excitement? Perhaps... More engineering excellence? Are you saying that the aerodynamic teams working for Ferrari and Renault are demonstrating any bit less than engineering excellence? I think not. [/B][/QUOTE]
Don't forget that with active suspension, a good aero package is nice, but it isn't as critical as it is with a car with a fixed suspension. When you see good aero cars (Williams, Ferrari, Renault) in person, you can start at the nose and just follow the trail of air. They're really beautiful things.
Kevin
[B]More excitement? Perhaps... More engineering excellence? Are you saying that the aerodynamic teams working for Ferrari and Renault are demonstrating any bit less than engineering excellence? I think not. [/B][/QUOTE]
Don't forget that with active suspension, a good aero package is nice, but it isn't as critical as it is with a car with a fixed suspension. When you see good aero cars (Williams, Ferrari, Renault) in person, you can start at the nose and just follow the trail of air. They're really beautiful things.
Kevin
| AndyRoo | 03-27-2004 02:55 PM |
minus the williams
| gtguy | 03-27-2004 09:36 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AndyRoo [/i]
[B]minus the williams [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: Got something against walruses?
Kevin
[B]minus the williams [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: Got something against walruses?
Kevin
| Kitsune | 03-27-2004 10:28 PM |
Has anyone considered that the reason Schumacher is fast is because he is that smooth and smooth is fast.
Does the press expect him to bounce off the curbs like a video game when he is at top form.
Does the press expect him to bounce off the curbs like a video game when he is at top form.
| shrieden | 03-28-2004 12:09 AM |
I say give the top two drivers equal billing in the top team. Let them fight it out for the title which will result in some super racing, eg Kimi and Michael both driving red cars just like Senna and Prost drove for McLaren/Honda in 1988
[URL=http://www.4mula1.ro/history/history.php/art/13]1988 season Synopsis[/URL]
[URL=http://www.4mula1.ro/history/history.php/art/13]1988 season Synopsis[/URL]
| AndyRoo | 03-28-2004 05:08 PM |
:lol: as long as the ugly face gets the job done, i wont complain.
Kimi and Michael on the same team would be very interesting.
I understand that the Michael's domination is very impressive and all that...its just not super exciting.
I WANT SPEC TIRES
Kimi and Michael on the same team would be very interesting.
I understand that the Michael's domination is very impressive and all that...its just not super exciting.
I WANT SPEC TIRES
| Butt Dyno | 03-28-2004 09:32 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]First of all, why is excellence boring? Like the Michael Jordan-era Chicago Bulls, we might never see this degree of effort that results in victories again.[/B][/QUOTE]... said the guy posting from Illinois... :lol:
john
[B]First of all, why is excellence boring? Like the Michael Jordan-era Chicago Bulls, we might never see this degree of effort that results in victories again.[/B][/QUOTE]... said the guy posting from Illinois... :lol:
john
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