| goto_racing | 05-14-2006 08:37 AM |
Don't forget. Check out the legacy at Phoenix on SPEED
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Hi everyone,
It's 5:30am on sunday as I type this, and we are just starting back from PIR. We had another great weekend, including some attention from SPEED that I think everyone will enjoy. We think they are airing it today at 10am Pacific. We still have 12 hours to go before we get home, but I will write a full press release then. The short story is we managed 11th. We are excited about these consistent showings, and can't wait for more.
Chris Lock
It's 5:30am on sunday as I type this, and we are just starting back from PIR. We had another great weekend, including some attention from SPEED that I think everyone will enjoy. We think they are airing it today at 10am Pacific. We still have 12 hours to go before we get home, but I will write a full press release then. The short story is we managed 11th. We are excited about these consistent showings, and can't wait for more.
Chris Lock
| XenoWolf | 05-14-2006 12:09 PM |
3:00 PM EST (Replay Tues @ Midnight)
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 05-14-2006 12:14 PM |
Hello,
I believe it's at 10 am PST / 1 pm EST.
Joel
I believe it's at 10 am PST / 1 pm EST.
Joel
| Patrick L | 05-14-2006 12:17 PM |
[QUOTE=XenoWolf]3:00 PM EST (Replay Tues @ Midnight)[/QUOTE]
Negitive, 1pm EST is the Grand Am Cup race <--(GS & ST races)
The Rolex Sports car series in on at 3pm EST <--(Daytona Prototypes)
Negitive, 1pm EST is the Grand Am Cup race <--(GS & ST races)
The Rolex Sports car series in on at 3pm EST <--(Daytona Prototypes)
| Patrick L | 05-14-2006 12:22 PM |
That was a quick edit Joel, lol!
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 05-14-2006 12:25 PM |
Hello,
Yep! Just got confirmation by phone. I'm on the road right now, posting by EVDO :) We're gonna pull over and watch the feed on Satellite!
Joel
Yep! Just got confirmation by phone. I'm on the road right now, posting by EVDO :) We're gonna pull over and watch the feed on Satellite!
Joel
| XenoWolf | 05-14-2006 01:06 PM |
Oops, my bad.
| esteve | 05-14-2006 01:09 PM |
What do you know, NOB is in this race too!
| makofoto | 05-14-2006 01:17 PM |
Watching now .... started 10 AM Sunday out here in CA ... they just gave the Legacy some extra attention. Saying that as the track gets greasy the Suby should make up places ...
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 05-14-2006 01:51 PM |
Hello,
Woot! Great coverage and discussion about the Legacy... "the little Legacy" :D
Almost half way through, watching as Brian is in 3rd.
Joel
Woot! Great coverage and discussion about the Legacy... "the little Legacy" :D
Almost half way through, watching as Brian is in 3rd.
Joel
| esteve | 05-14-2006 02:00 PM |
Yeah, I got a kick out of the "little Legacy" comment...what does that make the Minis and RSXs? :lol:
Good job by the commentators giving the Legacy PR time. I wonder if it was the overheating that caused them to drop back. Nevermind, they just showed the botched pit stop.
Good job by the commentators giving the Legacy PR time. I wonder if it was the overheating that caused them to drop back. Nevermind, they just showed the botched pit stop.
| Blennophobic | 05-14-2006 02:09 PM |
Too bad about the long tire change... painfully long coverage of this. A harder compound that would last the entire race might give the AWD suby a competitive advantage i.e. it should be more stable with less grip.
| ptclaus98 | 05-14-2006 02:39 PM |
[QUOTE=esteve]What do you know, NOB is in this race too![/QUOTE]
So's Tarzan. An RX8? :confused:
So's Tarzan. An RX8? :confused:
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 05-14-2006 03:50 PM |
Hello,
I don't want to steal any thunder from the official press release, but we're driving up right now from Phoenix and we just watched the race. Man, they slammed us for our pit stop! We probably deserved it - we were unprepared for some of the problems we were having - the heat practically caused Brian to pass out and as soon as we pulled him out of the car, the medics suggested that he go sit in the air conditioned observation area. So our planned two-man team on the wheels became a one-man wheel job about 30 seconds before the car came in, and our "check the condition of the engine" had to happen after the wheels and driver change (they didn't show that part on TV! - but that added to our time).
Meanwhile, with air temps of 105, track surface temps of 139.5, the crew and drivers were suffering. The car was running hot this weekend - 260+ degrees water temp and similar (240 F) oil temps. By the end of practice on Friday, the car wouldn't keep coolant in it. We decided to tear into the motor because the symptoms matched a blown head gasket. As we tore in, we discovered that this motor had probably been rebuilt before -the car had 10,000 miles on it before GOTO got it - and there were a lot of sloppy things about the way it had been rebuilt.
Here's a picture of our clean room, with the engine sitting on a used tire, with kitty litter, yes, kitty litter, on the ground around the "clean" motor...
[url=http://www.theimageplace.net][img]http://www.theimageplace.net/uploads/4793e294c4.jpg[/img][/url]
Here we are, trying to modify the cam cover to fit with the cam and cam pulley - the cam pulley was stuck on so hard that the allen key ended up breaking the allen bolt head while we were trying to take it off, so we took the motor apart with the cam pulley still attached to the cam.
[url=http://www.theimageplace.net][img]http://www.theimageplace.net/uploads/58000a0a98.jpg[/img][/url]
What we found inside the motor was one perfect head and one warped head. The coolant (water/water wetter) got around the headgasket over the entire surface of the gasket. The engine, however, looked great inside. There was no sign of detonation, the pistons looked great, the valves looked great, etc.
Since we didn't have an extra motor, we simply coated the headgasket with copper spray and rebuilt it, crossing our fingers that the warp wasn't significant. We ended up finishing the rebuild around 4:30AM on Saturday, 11.5 hours before the race, taking a total of 11 hours from when the car was cool enough to touch to when we fired up and tested to make sure everything was ok.
The rebuilt motor turned out to hold perfectly, though we were being extremely cautious and actually had to constantly remind the drivers to drive conservatively. In fact, that's something we need to work on, more - right after telling Brian to drive conservatively to help the motor out, he turned the fastest lap of the race! :) We had to point out to him that other drivers were talking about short shifting, and he was talking about whether he could knock more time off! And we were happy to see that despite the heat and engine issues, the tune was perfect - the AccessPort tuner / Mike from Gruppe-S showed that the car wasn't pulling any timing, etc. And obviously, we were making as good power as we could expect with a stock powertrain (stock intake through stock exhaust, only the cats are gutted).
All in all, we had a great time, though. The crew had a ton of work on Friday, the drivers had a ton of heat to deal with, we had a lot of heat-related problems to chase down, and on the second Grand Am race for GOTO, we followed the 6th place finish at Laguna with an 11th place finish at Phoenix... and SpeedTV was awesome in their coverage of us - even if they did rib us for our inexperience with 4-man pit crews (rules say 4 guys plus the drivers who are getting in and out plus a fire bottle guy). It's a lot of work for a 4-man crew, especially when the drivers can't help / need help themselves.
Err, my quick post turned into a typical post of mine :) Sorry!
Joel Gat
Volunteer for GOTO for the weekend
I don't want to steal any thunder from the official press release, but we're driving up right now from Phoenix and we just watched the race. Man, they slammed us for our pit stop! We probably deserved it - we were unprepared for some of the problems we were having - the heat practically caused Brian to pass out and as soon as we pulled him out of the car, the medics suggested that he go sit in the air conditioned observation area. So our planned two-man team on the wheels became a one-man wheel job about 30 seconds before the car came in, and our "check the condition of the engine" had to happen after the wheels and driver change (they didn't show that part on TV! - but that added to our time).
Meanwhile, with air temps of 105, track surface temps of 139.5, the crew and drivers were suffering. The car was running hot this weekend - 260+ degrees water temp and similar (240 F) oil temps. By the end of practice on Friday, the car wouldn't keep coolant in it. We decided to tear into the motor because the symptoms matched a blown head gasket. As we tore in, we discovered that this motor had probably been rebuilt before -the car had 10,000 miles on it before GOTO got it - and there were a lot of sloppy things about the way it had been rebuilt.
Here's a picture of our clean room, with the engine sitting on a used tire, with kitty litter, yes, kitty litter, on the ground around the "clean" motor...
[url=http://www.theimageplace.net][img]http://www.theimageplace.net/uploads/4793e294c4.jpg[/img][/url]
Here we are, trying to modify the cam cover to fit with the cam and cam pulley - the cam pulley was stuck on so hard that the allen key ended up breaking the allen bolt head while we were trying to take it off, so we took the motor apart with the cam pulley still attached to the cam.
[url=http://www.theimageplace.net][img]http://www.theimageplace.net/uploads/58000a0a98.jpg[/img][/url]
What we found inside the motor was one perfect head and one warped head. The coolant (water/water wetter) got around the headgasket over the entire surface of the gasket. The engine, however, looked great inside. There was no sign of detonation, the pistons looked great, the valves looked great, etc.
Since we didn't have an extra motor, we simply coated the headgasket with copper spray and rebuilt it, crossing our fingers that the warp wasn't significant. We ended up finishing the rebuild around 4:30AM on Saturday, 11.5 hours before the race, taking a total of 11 hours from when the car was cool enough to touch to when we fired up and tested to make sure everything was ok.
The rebuilt motor turned out to hold perfectly, though we were being extremely cautious and actually had to constantly remind the drivers to drive conservatively. In fact, that's something we need to work on, more - right after telling Brian to drive conservatively to help the motor out, he turned the fastest lap of the race! :) We had to point out to him that other drivers were talking about short shifting, and he was talking about whether he could knock more time off! And we were happy to see that despite the heat and engine issues, the tune was perfect - the AccessPort tuner / Mike from Gruppe-S showed that the car wasn't pulling any timing, etc. And obviously, we were making as good power as we could expect with a stock powertrain (stock intake through stock exhaust, only the cats are gutted).
All in all, we had a great time, though. The crew had a ton of work on Friday, the drivers had a ton of heat to deal with, we had a lot of heat-related problems to chase down, and on the second Grand Am race for GOTO, we followed the 6th place finish at Laguna with an 11th place finish at Phoenix... and SpeedTV was awesome in their coverage of us - even if they did rib us for our inexperience with 4-man pit crews (rules say 4 guys plus the drivers who are getting in and out plus a fire bottle guy). It's a lot of work for a 4-man crew, especially when the drivers can't help / need help themselves.
Err, my quick post turned into a typical post of mine :) Sorry!
Joel Gat
Volunteer for GOTO for the weekend
| THAWA | 05-14-2006 04:51 PM |
You guys did great.
| driggity | 05-14-2006 05:00 PM |
Fastest lap of the race isn't too shabby for a car with a warped head.
Its great to see the success that you guys are having in USTCC and GrandAm.
Are you allowed to do anything to the car's cooling system? Radiator, thermostat, oil cooler?
Its great to see the success that you guys are having in USTCC and GrandAm.
Are you allowed to do anything to the car's cooling system? Radiator, thermostat, oil cooler?
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 05-14-2006 05:52 PM |
Hello,
[QUOTE=driggity]Fastest lap of the race isn't too shabby for a car with a warped head.[/quote]
People qualified faster than Brian's race time, but during the race, the most teams were concerned with saving their tires, so they ran a second or two off their qualifying times. We were fairly certain (contrary to what one of the teams commented, we're significantly heavier than the BMWs!) that we'd need to swap tires, anyway, so we didn't go into quite the conservation mode that we possibly should have gone into.
[quote]Its great to see the success that you guys are having in USTCC and GrandAm.[/quote]
Thank you!
[quote]Are you allowed to do anything to the car's cooling system? Radiator, thermostat, oil cooler?[/QUOTE]
Yes - we have an oil cooler (mounted in front of the radiator) and now we have a radiator. We actually first started chasing our cooling problems by replacing the stock radiator this weekend - Vivid Racing helped us with a PWR radiator (and the new OE headgaskets). We also sealed around the radiator to improve flow through the radiator and were close to ready to pull the stock fans, though we worried that the car would overheat if there was any significant yellow.
We'll have Gruppe-S rebuild the motor again when we get back (we're 5 hours from home now) and fix or replace the head. We'll also get a spare motor together before the next race so that we never have to rebuild on a pile of kitty litter - a motor swap is much easier than a rebuild at the track!
Oh... and of course, we'll practice our pit stops a couple million times...
Joel
[QUOTE=driggity]Fastest lap of the race isn't too shabby for a car with a warped head.[/quote]
People qualified faster than Brian's race time, but during the race, the most teams were concerned with saving their tires, so they ran a second or two off their qualifying times. We were fairly certain (contrary to what one of the teams commented, we're significantly heavier than the BMWs!) that we'd need to swap tires, anyway, so we didn't go into quite the conservation mode that we possibly should have gone into.
[quote]Its great to see the success that you guys are having in USTCC and GrandAm.[/quote]
Thank you!
[quote]Are you allowed to do anything to the car's cooling system? Radiator, thermostat, oil cooler?[/QUOTE]
Yes - we have an oil cooler (mounted in front of the radiator) and now we have a radiator. We actually first started chasing our cooling problems by replacing the stock radiator this weekend - Vivid Racing helped us with a PWR radiator (and the new OE headgaskets). We also sealed around the radiator to improve flow through the radiator and were close to ready to pull the stock fans, though we worried that the car would overheat if there was any significant yellow.
We'll have Gruppe-S rebuild the motor again when we get back (we're 5 hours from home now) and fix or replace the head. We'll also get a spare motor together before the next race so that we never have to rebuild on a pile of kitty litter - a motor swap is much easier than a rebuild at the track!
Oh... and of course, we'll practice our pit stops a couple million times...
Joel
| intercede007 | 05-14-2006 06:34 PM |
Fantastic race guys!
I was super stoked when I stared watching the race. Three (?) laps in, I see "Fastest Lap: 93 Lock" and I shouted out loud "No way!". My girlfriend got worried and came running out of the bedroom when I jumped off the couch and started cheering :D
Keep up the good work!!!
I was super stoked when I stared watching the race. Three (?) laps in, I see "Fastest Lap: 93 Lock" and I shouted out loud "No way!". My girlfriend got worried and came running out of the bedroom when I jumped off the couch and started cheering :D
Keep up the good work!!!
| kfoote | 05-15-2006 02:05 PM |
With all the problems you guys had, I'd consider it a success. I was going to go over to visit and check it out, but just before I would have had time, one of the GOTO guys came over and asked to borrow a cherry picker, which we don't have. I figured it was best to stay out of the way, and it wasn't a good time.
It's nice to see smoething other that the little FWD cars doing well.
<-- saw air temp of > 120 in pit lane during the GS race.
It's nice to see smoething other that the little FWD cars doing well.
<-- saw air temp of > 120 in pit lane during the GS race.
| makofoto | 05-15-2006 02:12 PM |
In the Photos above ... It's a little disturbing and funny seeing your "audience" watching from the lawn chairs. Part of the 4 man rule? I bet they did offer advise. :rolleyes: :lol: Is the seated fellow in the team uniform the money man? :cool:
Great Job guys! Another Suby endeavor to make us all proud. :banana:
Great Job guys! Another Suby endeavor to make us all proud. :banana:
| goto_racing | 05-15-2006 02:25 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]It's a little disturbing and funny seeing your "audience" watching from the lawn chairs. Part of the 4 man rule? I bet they did offer advise. :rolleyes: :lol: Is the seated fellow in the team uniform the money man? :cool:
Great Job guys! Another Suby endeavor to make us all proud. :banana:[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Yeah the 4 man rule sucks, but we have to deal with it. There was alot of confusion on that pit stop. Mainly we were concerned about Brian and his health, but also we were still overheating and had to add an engine check, not to mention with Joel stepping in for Brian to strap me in, we had only 2 guys doing the tire change. Brian also usually pre-adjusts the belts and positions the straps well on his way down pit lane. Since he basically fell out of the car, he couldn't do this either. making strapping me in even longer. When they cut away for a second is when we finally went under the hood to check the cams seals for leaks. I think the leader put me 2 laps down as we exited the pit lane :(.
Now that we know the car is capable of being competitive, we have resolved to now work on the crew aspect of the program. Extensive pit training is schedule before our next appearance at mid-Ohio.
Chris Lock
Great Job guys! Another Suby endeavor to make us all proud. :banana:[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Yeah the 4 man rule sucks, but we have to deal with it. There was alot of confusion on that pit stop. Mainly we were concerned about Brian and his health, but also we were still overheating and had to add an engine check, not to mention with Joel stepping in for Brian to strap me in, we had only 2 guys doing the tire change. Brian also usually pre-adjusts the belts and positions the straps well on his way down pit lane. Since he basically fell out of the car, he couldn't do this either. making strapping me in even longer. When they cut away for a second is when we finally went under the hood to check the cams seals for leaks. I think the leader put me 2 laps down as we exited the pit lane :(.
Now that we know the car is capable of being competitive, we have resolved to now work on the crew aspect of the program. Extensive pit training is schedule before our next appearance at mid-Ohio.
Chris Lock
| mpj_becks | 05-15-2006 02:33 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]It's a little disturbing and funny seeing your "audience" watching from the lawn chairs. Part of the 4 man rule? I bet they did offer advise. :rolleyes: :lol: Is the seated fellow in the team uniform the money man? :cool:
Great Job guys! Another Suby endeavor to make us all proud. :banana:[/QUOTE]
During the motor swap we were switching out as certain people had certain area's of the motor assembly where there expertise would come into play. After all there is only so many hands that can work on a motor at the same time before you get too many cook's in the kitchen.
Mike <--- the crew member sitting on the lawn chair :)
Great Job guys! Another Suby endeavor to make us all proud. :banana:[/QUOTE]
During the motor swap we were switching out as certain people had certain area's of the motor assembly where there expertise would come into play. After all there is only so many hands that can work on a motor at the same time before you get too many cook's in the kitchen.
Mike <--- the crew member sitting on the lawn chair :)
| RALLYT-WRX | 05-15-2006 02:58 PM |
Great Results Guys!
A question for you:
Are you guys running factory wheels Studs? If you are, can you change out to a longer stud, hence allowing you to silicon the lugs on top of the holes of the wheels ahead of time, so that when you place the the new wheel and tire over the studs the lugs are already sitting on the wheel stud so all you have to do is run them on with the Impact Gun.
From what I saw it looked like you guys were reusing the lugs and having to start them by hand. Which can take alot of time when it comes to changing 4 tires.
Just a thought and suggestion from another tire slinger:)
A question for you:
Are you guys running factory wheels Studs? If you are, can you change out to a longer stud, hence allowing you to silicon the lugs on top of the holes of the wheels ahead of time, so that when you place the the new wheel and tire over the studs the lugs are already sitting on the wheel stud so all you have to do is run them on with the Impact Gun.
From what I saw it looked like you guys were reusing the lugs and having to start them by hand. Which can take alot of time when it comes to changing 4 tires.
Just a thought and suggestion from another tire slinger:)
| goto_racing | 05-15-2006 03:27 PM |
[QUOTE=RALLYT-WRX]Great Results Guys!
A question for you:
Are you guys running factory wheels Studs? If you are, can you change out to a longer stud, hence allowing you to silicon the lugs on top of the holes of the wheels ahead of time, so that when you place the the new wheel and tire over the studs the lugs are already sitting on the wheel stud so all you have to do is run them on with the Impact Gun.
From what I saw it looked like you guys were reusing the lugs and having to start them by hand. Which can take alot of time when it comes to changing 4 tires.
Just a thought and suggestion from another tire slinger:)[/QUOTE]
we actually do have ARP studs in preparation for using this technique. The reason why you saw them doing it "normally" was that our crew had not really been close to finalized till this weekend, so the drills we have been doing had not been done by everyone there that weekend. In order to make sure the tire stop was safe, we had them do what they were comfortable with. A mistake there could be far more disasterous than going a lap down. But expect us to ramp up every race. The crew is going to have many practices between now and Mid Ohio.
Chris Lock
A question for you:
Are you guys running factory wheels Studs? If you are, can you change out to a longer stud, hence allowing you to silicon the lugs on top of the holes of the wheels ahead of time, so that when you place the the new wheel and tire over the studs the lugs are already sitting on the wheel stud so all you have to do is run them on with the Impact Gun.
From what I saw it looked like you guys were reusing the lugs and having to start them by hand. Which can take alot of time when it comes to changing 4 tires.
Just a thought and suggestion from another tire slinger:)[/QUOTE]
we actually do have ARP studs in preparation for using this technique. The reason why you saw them doing it "normally" was that our crew had not really been close to finalized till this weekend, so the drills we have been doing had not been done by everyone there that weekend. In order to make sure the tire stop was safe, we had them do what they were comfortable with. A mistake there could be far more disasterous than going a lap down. But expect us to ramp up every race. The crew is going to have many practices between now and Mid Ohio.
Chris Lock
| Rally_wgn | 05-15-2006 04:18 PM |
Great Job Guys!! I finally got to run the tape from this weekend, very impressive. You guys got soem good camera time too, I was very happy to see this considering the previous race (2 secs maybe).
Hell, even the pitstop gave you media coverage.
I laughed when Turner said they had the heaviest car! Maybe they do but I would doubt it considering how much development time they have in that car.
Keep up the good work!
Hell, even the pitstop gave you media coverage.
I laughed when Turner said they had the heaviest car! Maybe they do but I would doubt it considering how much development time they have in that car.
Keep up the good work!
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 05-15-2006 04:20 PM |
Hello,
[QUOTE=mpj_becks]During the motor swap we were switching out as certain people had certain area's of the motor assembly where there expertise would come into play. After all there is only so many hands that can work on a motor at the same time before you get too many cook's in the kitchen.
Mike <--- the crew member sitting on the lawn chair :)[/QUOTE]
Wait, we had lawn chairs out there? With the bright lights in my face, I wondered where people went when all of a sudden, there were different people helping me! :D
Joel <--- crew member who is the most masochistic and couldn't stop grinning the entire time we were thrashing (that's me, standing up, stooped over, looking at the cam cover as I get ready to cut a huge section of it away), so I never sat down :D
[QUOTE=mpj_becks]During the motor swap we were switching out as certain people had certain area's of the motor assembly where there expertise would come into play. After all there is only so many hands that can work on a motor at the same time before you get too many cook's in the kitchen.
Mike <--- the crew member sitting on the lawn chair :)[/QUOTE]
Wait, we had lawn chairs out there? With the bright lights in my face, I wondered where people went when all of a sudden, there were different people helping me! :D
Joel <--- crew member who is the most masochistic and couldn't stop grinning the entire time we were thrashing (that's me, standing up, stooped over, looking at the cam cover as I get ready to cut a huge section of it away), so I never sat down :D
| BrianZ | 05-15-2006 04:26 PM |
[QUOTE=Joel Gat, 1.8L]Wait, we had lawn chairs out there? With the bright lights in my face, I wondered where people went when all of a sudden, there were different people helping me! :D[/QUOTE]
It was like your on stage, could not see anything behind the light. Man that was fun!! I loved it so much, and cant wait to get back to the track.. The late night engine trash was awesome.
[B]Everyone[/B] on the crew helped out to get that motor done.
It was like your on stage, could not see anything behind the light. Man that was fun!! I loved it so much, and cant wait to get back to the track.. The late night engine trash was awesome.
[B]Everyone[/B] on the crew helped out to get that motor done.
| Student Driver | 05-15-2006 04:38 PM |
Damn, it was worth watching the race for your performance alone. Hopefully you get to keep your podium position next time.
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 05-15-2006 05:06 PM |
Hello,
[QUOTE=BrianZ]It was like your on stage, could not see anything behind the light. Man that was fun!! I loved it so much, and cant wait to get back to the track.. The late night engine trash was awesome.[/quote]
Dang typos... I hope! That was much more of a t[b]h[/b]rash than a trash :D
[quote][B]Everyone[/B] on the crew helped out to get that motor done.[/QUOTE]
Yup! Great crew, great team, whole lot of fun.
As for Turner's car weight, I believe his spec sheet puts him at 2-300 pounds less than the Legacy...
Joel
[QUOTE=BrianZ]It was like your on stage, could not see anything behind the light. Man that was fun!! I loved it so much, and cant wait to get back to the track.. The late night engine trash was awesome.[/quote]
Dang typos... I hope! That was much more of a t[b]h[/b]rash than a trash :D
[quote][B]Everyone[/B] on the crew helped out to get that motor done.[/QUOTE]
Yup! Great crew, great team, whole lot of fun.
As for Turner's car weight, I believe his spec sheet puts him at 2-300 pounds less than the Legacy...
Joel
| BrianZ | 05-15-2006 05:21 PM |
opps..
I promise on the next pit stop I wont dottle around :lol:
I promise on the next pit stop I wont dottle around :lol:
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 05-15-2006 05:23 PM |
Hello,
BTW, I believe the re-airing will be on Speed this Weds @ 2pm PST.
Joel
BTW, I believe the re-airing will be on Speed this Weds @ 2pm PST.
Joel
| kfoote | 05-15-2006 05:59 PM |
[QUOTE=Joel Gat, 1.8L]Hello,
Dang typos... I hope! That was much more of a t[b]h[/b]rash than a trash :D
Yup! Great crew, great team, whole lot of fun.
As for Turner's car weight, I believe his spec sheet puts him at 2-300 pounds less than the Legacy...
Joel[/QUOTE]
Minimum weights (fuel empty, without driver:
BMW 330: 2875 lbs
Subaru Legacy GT: 3050 lbs
Those are the two heaviest ST cars.
Dang typos... I hope! That was much more of a t[b]h[/b]rash than a trash :D
Yup! Great crew, great team, whole lot of fun.
As for Turner's car weight, I believe his spec sheet puts him at 2-300 pounds less than the Legacy...
Joel[/QUOTE]
Minimum weights (fuel empty, without driver:
BMW 330: 2875 lbs
Subaru Legacy GT: 3050 lbs
Those are the two heaviest ST cars.
| MPME | 05-15-2006 08:38 PM |
[QUOTE=goto_racing]Thanks. Yeah the 4 man rule sucks, but we have to deal with it. There was alot of confusion on that pit stop. Mainly we were concerned about Brian and his health, but also we were still overheating and had to add an engine check, not to mention with Joel stepping in for Brian to strap me in, we had only 2 guys doing the tire change. Brian also usually pre-adjusts the belts and positions the straps well on his way down pit lane. Since he basically fell out of the car, he couldn't do this either. making strapping me in even longer. When they cut away for a second is when we finally went under the hood to check the cams seals for leaks. I think the leader put me 2 laps down as we exited the pit lane :(.
Now that we know the car is capable of being competitive, we have resolved to now work on the crew aspect of the program. Extensive pit training is schedule before our next appearance at mid-Ohio.
Chris Lock[/QUOTE]
Congrats again. The rest of th ST field must be running scared--none of the other cars seem to come close to the Legacy GT's immediate potential. Good work all!
Now that we know the car is capable of being competitive, we have resolved to now work on the crew aspect of the program. Extensive pit training is schedule before our next appearance at mid-Ohio.
Chris Lock[/QUOTE]
Congrats again. The rest of th ST field must be running scared--none of the other cars seem to come close to the Legacy GT's immediate potential. Good work all!
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 05-15-2006 09:02 PM |
Hello,
[QUOTE=MPME]Congrats again. The rest of th ST field must be running scared--none of the other cars seem to come close to the Legacy GT's immediate potential. Good work all![/QUOTE]
We were blessed with the AWD system, which, as we heard on SpeedTV, really helps out when the track temps are up in the 140 degree range and everyone is fighting overheating tires on an "ice skating rink" of a "roval". When you add in the great, supple DMS suspension, we had a clear advantage for Phoenix that allowed us to be quite competitive.
The Cobalts debuted last year with a 7th place at their first race and then a 5th place finish at their second race, if I'm not mistaken. We're not quite there, but then again, GM put 4 Cobalts on the track right from the start and had them run all season, finishing with a great 3rd place ST debut year.
We certainly hope to follow in the shoes of the Cobalt teams, though, and let the fans of racing really know how great Subarus can be! The Cobalts set the standard for how to debut in Grand Am Cup ST, that's for sure! Once the ICY guys debut their GAC-ST Subaru, the competitors will really have something to fear!
Thanks for the kind words from the other active Subaru professional road racing team on NASIOC!
Go Subaru!
Joel
[QUOTE=MPME]Congrats again. The rest of th ST field must be running scared--none of the other cars seem to come close to the Legacy GT's immediate potential. Good work all![/QUOTE]
We were blessed with the AWD system, which, as we heard on SpeedTV, really helps out when the track temps are up in the 140 degree range and everyone is fighting overheating tires on an "ice skating rink" of a "roval". When you add in the great, supple DMS suspension, we had a clear advantage for Phoenix that allowed us to be quite competitive.
The Cobalts debuted last year with a 7th place at their first race and then a 5th place finish at their second race, if I'm not mistaken. We're not quite there, but then again, GM put 4 Cobalts on the track right from the start and had them run all season, finishing with a great 3rd place ST debut year.
We certainly hope to follow in the shoes of the Cobalt teams, though, and let the fans of racing really know how great Subarus can be! The Cobalts set the standard for how to debut in Grand Am Cup ST, that's for sure! Once the ICY guys debut their GAC-ST Subaru, the competitors will really have something to fear!
Thanks for the kind words from the other active Subaru professional road racing team on NASIOC!
Go Subaru!
Joel
| MPME | 05-15-2006 11:05 PM |
[QUOTE=Joel Gat, 1.8L]Once the ICY guys debut their GAC-ST Subaru, the competitors will really have something to fear![/QUOTE]
That's news. When are they supposed to make their debut? I hadn't seen anything in the press, or any announcements.
That's news. When are they supposed to make their debut? I hadn't seen anything in the press, or any announcements.
| goto_racing | 05-15-2006 11:31 PM |
[QUOTE=MPME]Congrats again. The rest of th ST field must be running scared--none of the other cars seem to come close to the Legacy GT's immediate potential. Good work all![/QUOTE]
I am sure you already know how great these cars are Marshall. I had no doubt the Legacy would be such a strong car. It is a Subaru after all! I can't wait to continue development and really unlock it's potential. We will always have to work against GrandAm's restrictions, but I dare I say that Championships may be in this car's future? :)
Chris Lock
I am sure you already know how great these cars are Marshall. I had no doubt the Legacy would be such a strong car. It is a Subaru after all! I can't wait to continue development and really unlock it's potential. We will always have to work against GrandAm's restrictions, but I dare I say that Championships may be in this car's future? :)
Chris Lock
| esteve | 05-15-2006 11:44 PM |
Yeah, pardon the pun but you guys are definitely on the right track! :)
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 05-16-2006 12:01 AM |
Hello,
[QUOTE=MPME]That's news. When are they supposed to make their debut? I hadn't seen anything in the press, or any announcements.[/QUOTE]
Yep, they don't seem to be interested in the hundred thousand plus Subaru fans on NASIOC, so they don't seem to keep us up to date much. They did show up to some Subaru track event to shake down their car, though.
The more Subarus there are in professional road racing, the better!
Joel
[QUOTE=MPME]That's news. When are they supposed to make their debut? I hadn't seen anything in the press, or any announcements.[/QUOTE]
Yep, they don't seem to be interested in the hundred thousand plus Subaru fans on NASIOC, so they don't seem to keep us up to date much. They did show up to some Subaru track event to shake down their car, though.
The more Subarus there are in professional road racing, the better!
Joel
| MPME | 05-16-2006 01:31 AM |
[QUOTE=goto_racing]I am sure you already know how great these cars are Marshall. I had no doubt the Legacy would be such a strong car. It is a Subaru after all! I can't wait to continue development and really unlock it's potential. We will always have to work against GrandAm's restrictions, but I dare I say that Championships may be in this car's future? :)
Chris Lock[/QUOTE]
Only smart people choose to race a Subaru, so as we all hope, be it GAC, SPEED GT, TC, or any other pro touring car series, I can only hope to see the star-cluster achieving success in every arena. Can't wait until plenty of other teams in GAC jump ship and follow your lead.
That'd be kinda cool, eh... :)
Chris Lock[/QUOTE]
Only smart people choose to race a Subaru, so as we all hope, be it GAC, SPEED GT, TC, or any other pro touring car series, I can only hope to see the star-cluster achieving success in every arena. Can't wait until plenty of other teams in GAC jump ship and follow your lead.
That'd be kinda cool, eh... :)
| shemoves | 05-16-2006 02:09 AM |
Great job guys. Keep up the good work. Is Brian (mechanic) or Mike from Gruppe-S on the boards? My friend Dan and I got a to chat with them (and another guy, perhaps a driver) a bit after the race and they were telling us about rebuilding the motor amidst the wind-blown kitty litter...crazy stuff, but shows your dedication.
| Trey | 05-16-2006 04:34 PM |
[QUOTE=MPME]Only smart people choose to race a Subaru, so as we all hope, be it GAC, SPEED GT, TC, or any other pro touring car series, I can only hope to see the star-cluster achieving success in every arena. Can't wait until plenty of other teams in GAC jump ship and follow your lead.
That'd be kinda cool, eh... :)[/QUOTE]
Absolutely! I started surfing online classifieds for used Legacy GTs suitable for a racecar conversion as I was watching the PIR race. ;)
Congratulations team, great show! We're all cheering for ya!
Trey @ COBB
That'd be kinda cool, eh... :)[/QUOTE]
Absolutely! I started surfing online classifieds for used Legacy GTs suitable for a racecar conversion as I was watching the PIR race. ;)
Congratulations team, great show! We're all cheering for ya!
Trey @ COBB
| TurboRX | 05-16-2006 05:47 PM |
ICY/Phoenix showed up at the Subaru Mid Atlantic Motorsports Day with a Legacy GT Wagon for GAC-ST. Debut should be at Lime Rock on the 27th if Im not mistaken. They told me they'd been "keeping it under wraps" up until that day. Don't know why. They also said they plan to field a 2 car team next year. This is a SOA backed team as well, so good news on that front, that SOA is supporting some road racing finally!
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Sorry if this was a hijack. Just wanted to answer some questions that had been brought up.
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Sorry if this was a hijack. Just wanted to answer some questions that had been brought up.
| WgnWheel | 05-16-2006 06:31 PM |
congrats guys! watched it on tv, wish i could have made it over there......what did you think of pir, by the way? i studied your lines all race, to see how they compared to mine lol.
| goto_racing | 05-16-2006 06:41 PM |
[QUOTE=WgnWheel]congrats guys! watched it on tv, wish i could have made it over there......what did you think of pir, by the way? i studied your lines all race, to see how they compared to mine lol.[/QUOTE]
If you are local, maybe you should teach us :). Were we taking anything close to the "local" line?
Seriously though, I thought that PIR was neat even though it was a roval and is very short. It's two left handed braking zones are challenging, especially coming off the oval. There was so much speed to have in there, but you had to do it just right. Spending that much time right at the limit is exhausting but fun.
Running the oval flat is also a kick. And the exit got more and more exciting as the track greased up toward the end. With regards to everything but the heat, I look forward to next year there.
Chris Lock
If you are local, maybe you should teach us :). Were we taking anything close to the "local" line?
Seriously though, I thought that PIR was neat even though it was a roval and is very short. It's two left handed braking zones are challenging, especially coming off the oval. There was so much speed to have in there, but you had to do it just right. Spending that much time right at the limit is exhausting but fun.
Running the oval flat is also a kick. And the exit got more and more exciting as the track greased up toward the end. With regards to everything but the heat, I look forward to next year there.
Chris Lock
| Joel Gat, 1.8L | 05-16-2006 06:42 PM |
Hello,
[QUOTE=WgnWheel]congrats guys! watched it on tv, wish i could have made it over there......what did you think of pir, by the way?[/QUOTE]
Here's what I think of PIR: Hot.
Yeah, yeah, in the summer it gets 20 degrees hotter, I know. Are you folks who live in that area human? How can you survive?!? :)
Joel, San Francisco wuss who likes his 70-degree summers AND winters.
[QUOTE=WgnWheel]congrats guys! watched it on tv, wish i could have made it over there......what did you think of pir, by the way?[/QUOTE]
Here's what I think of PIR: Hot.
Yeah, yeah, in the summer it gets 20 degrees hotter, I know. Are you folks who live in that area human? How can you survive?!? :)
Joel, San Francisco wuss who likes his 70-degree summers AND winters.
| Rally_wgn | 05-16-2006 08:02 PM |
More Hot wagons!!
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ICY's wagon is hot! :eek: I'll be glued to GAC if this keeps up. I wonder why they picked the wagon body (other than its the best looking subie ever!). And it still has room in the back for groceries or a couple of kegs. :lol:
I watched the race on tape again today, just amazing, with a little practice you'll be on the podium. Especially now that they choked the Cobalts down some with the stock exhaust.
Sucks for the cobalt guys, but good for everyone else.
I watched the race on tape again today, just amazing, with a little practice you'll be on the podium. Especially now that they choked the Cobalts down some with the stock exhaust.
Sucks for the cobalt guys, but good for everyone else.
| scchen | 05-16-2006 08:14 PM |
Legacy on SPEED in Phoenix
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Congrats to the team. It is great to see Legacy is doing well in road racing. I love to watch the race, but I got on the forum a little late and i missed it. Does anyone have the race in a digital format? or anyone knows if there is a torrent file available? Thanks in advance.
| goto_racing | 05-16-2006 11:40 PM |
[QUOTE=scchen]Congrats to the team. It is great to see Legacy is doing well in road racing. I love to watch the race, but I got on the forum a little late and i missed it. Does anyone have the race in a digital format? or anyone knows if there is a torrent file available? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
It replays tommorow at 5pm eastern. Set your Tivo. I have heard many people have digitized it already. Maybe it will show up on the web soon.
Chris Lock
It replays tommorow at 5pm eastern. Set your Tivo. I have heard many people have digitized it already. Maybe it will show up on the web soon.
Chris Lock
| BrianZ | 05-17-2006 01:57 AM |
[QUOTE=shemoves]Is Brian (mechanic) on the boards? [/QUOTE]
:Raises Hand:
:Raises Hand:
| WgnWheel | 05-18-2006 06:45 PM |
[QUOTE=goto_racing]If you are local, maybe you should teach us :). Were we taking anything close to the "local" line?
Seriously though, I thought that PIR was neat even though it was a roval and is very short. It's two left handed braking zones are challenging, especially coming off the oval. There was so much speed to have in there, but you had to do it just right. Spending that much time right at the limit is exhausting but fun.
Running the oval flat is also a kick. And the exit got more and more exciting as the track greased up toward the end. With regards to everything but the heat, I look forward to next year there.
Chris Lock[/QUOTE]
your lines looked good to me, basically what we run. i didnt notice what times you were running? Turn one is always tricky, coming off the oval. the car can really get upset if you screw up. and the left getting onto the oval can be tricky too. there's a small patch of concrete off to the right, that makes a good braking point. maybe next time, i can point it out. :D
Seriously though, I thought that PIR was neat even though it was a roval and is very short. It's two left handed braking zones are challenging, especially coming off the oval. There was so much speed to have in there, but you had to do it just right. Spending that much time right at the limit is exhausting but fun.
Running the oval flat is also a kick. And the exit got more and more exciting as the track greased up toward the end. With regards to everything but the heat, I look forward to next year there.
Chris Lock[/QUOTE]
your lines looked good to me, basically what we run. i didnt notice what times you were running? Turn one is always tricky, coming off the oval. the car can really get upset if you screw up. and the left getting onto the oval can be tricky too. there's a small patch of concrete off to the right, that makes a good braking point. maybe next time, i can point it out. :D
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