| norseone | 12-27-2002 02:30 PM |
EDM + jim Hoyd harness
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I just got some EDM STi lights and with the Jin Hoyd harness already installed. However after hooking everything up the left headlight has no low or high beam. The right does. Does anybody know what I should check for? The wires are hooked up the same on both headlights. But one is not working.
Thanks
-DREW
Thanks
-DREW
| mizar | 12-27-2002 03:17 PM |
Check the big blue 3 prong plug that plugs into your OEM harness.
That controls the low and high.. mine was a bit stubborn.. i had to squeeze REALLY tight to get it to make contact..
I just left the headlight unbolted and played with the harness.
Good Luck!
If that fails.. try recrimping your vampire clips.
That controls the low and high.. mine was a bit stubborn.. i had to squeeze REALLY tight to get it to make contact..
I just left the headlight unbolted and played with the harness.
Good Luck!
If that fails.. try recrimping your vampire clips.
| norseone | 12-27-2002 03:30 PM |
THanks man. I will check right now. Also are your headlights a direct fit>? Mine have a big gap on the bottom where it sits. The passenger side one was a PITA to get in also. Anyone experience this?
EDIT
The low and highs do work, but they are VERY weak, almost like no power is getting to them. Do you have any idea what may be causing this? I tried to tight the harness(blue) but it did not help. You think I need to check all the clamps then?
T I A
-DREW
EDIT
The low and highs do work, but they are VERY weak, almost like no power is getting to them. Do you have any idea what may be causing this? I tried to tight the harness(blue) but it did not help. You think I need to check all the clamps then?
T I A
-DREW
| mizar | 12-27-2002 03:42 PM |
Sounds kind of odd..
Mine fit perfect.. a slightly larger gap against the grill.. thats it..
They are kind of a pain to get in correctly.. I always gauged the fitment by the weather stripping on the front fender, thats when i knew i had them in correctly.
So all your holes line up and there is still a gap?
Mine fit perfect.. a slightly larger gap against the grill.. thats it..
They are kind of a pain to get in correctly.. I always gauged the fitment by the weather stripping on the front fender, thats when i knew i had them in correctly.
So all your holes line up and there is still a gap?
| norseone | 12-27-2002 03:45 PM |
Yeah there is, I will take a pic later today and post it, they were a REAL PITA to get in, not so much the driver side but the passenger side was.
-DREW
-DREW
| 2nd2none | 12-27-2002 03:51 PM |
i had a little trouble getting my passenger side light in as well. it was due to one of the motors on the back of the light hitting against a bundle of wires that run right behind where the headlight goes.
| mizar | 12-27-2002 03:52 PM |
Yea.. my passenger side sucked to get in as well...
Is the gap on BOTH lights or just the 1?
Thats really weird.. ive never heard of fitment issues with JDM or EDM projectors :/
Just saw the update on the connectivity..
i would try recrimping everything.. and does jiggling the harness make any difference in the brightness?
Is the gap on BOTH lights or just the 1?
Thats really weird.. ive never heard of fitment issues with JDM or EDM projectors :/
Just saw the update on the connectivity..
i would try recrimping everything.. and does jiggling the harness make any difference in the brightness?
| norseone | 12-27-2002 03:57 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mizar [/i]
[B]Yea.. my passenger side sucked to get in as well...
Is the gap on BOTH lights or just the 1?
Thats really weird.. ive never heard of fitment issues with JDM or EDM projectors :/ [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah they are definatly not flush on the bottom. I am leaving work to try and figure out what the deal is with these.
The lights came with the Jim Hoyd harness already installed. Also with HKS lights in the low beams so my passenger side is bright white and the driver side is a pale yellow, barely visible during the day. The high beam light bulb on the passenger side is bright however the high beam bulb on the driver side is weak. Not bright at all. Something is defiantly not right.
-DREW
[B]Yea.. my passenger side sucked to get in as well...
Is the gap on BOTH lights or just the 1?
Thats really weird.. ive never heard of fitment issues with JDM or EDM projectors :/ [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah they are definatly not flush on the bottom. I am leaving work to try and figure out what the deal is with these.
The lights came with the Jim Hoyd harness already installed. Also with HKS lights in the low beams so my passenger side is bright white and the driver side is a pale yellow, barely visible during the day. The high beam light bulb on the passenger side is bright however the high beam bulb on the driver side is weak. Not bright at all. Something is defiantly not right.
-DREW
| norseone | 12-27-2002 03:59 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mizar [/i]
[B]Yea.. my passenger side sucked to get in as well...
i would try recrimping everything.. and does jiggling the harness make any difference in the brightness? [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope. The people I got them from must have f'ed up the harness install. Thanks for your help though. I will post a pic of what is happening later today. As soon as I get my hands on a digi.
DREW
[B]Yea.. my passenger side sucked to get in as well...
i would try recrimping everything.. and does jiggling the harness make any difference in the brightness? [/B][/QUOTE]
Nope. The people I got them from must have f'ed up the harness install. Thanks for your help though. I will post a pic of what is happening later today. As soon as I get my hands on a digi.
DREW
| Newbie Subie | 12-27-2002 04:04 PM |
I had this problem with mine when I first got them.
It is now fixed.
There is a small plug? on the outside (outer edge toward the edge of the car) of either light. Make sure that it gets plugged into the hole that is on the car. if its not (its easy not to) you will have a 1/4 gap as you have described. If you are sure that the male/female part is right then you have a different problem.
Just trying to help
It is now fixed.
There is a small plug? on the outside (outer edge toward the edge of the car) of either light. Make sure that it gets plugged into the hole that is on the car. if its not (its easy not to) you will have a 1/4 gap as you have described. If you are sure that the male/female part is right then you have a different problem.
Just trying to help
| norseone | 12-27-2002 04:08 PM |
AS far as I know those pieces are mated up, i will double check though.
-DREW
-DREW
| Newbie Subie | 12-27-2002 04:12 PM |
What size are teh lights in your EDM's?
H1, 9007
It should say on the bottom of the plug.
H1, 9007
It should say on the bottom of the plug.
| norseone | 12-27-2002 04:32 PM |
I think I figured it out. The blue plug has 3 wires in the back of it, the black one has been dislodged so the brass connector is not set in the plug. So its not touching, which means its not grounded. However I cannot get it through. It catches on the little hook which is supposed to keep it in place. Any idea on how to fix that? I might just bend it to get it through then tape it. What a piece. Maybe Jim Hoyd will give me a new one.
Not just to figure out why the lights are not setting right.
-Drew
Not just to figure out why the lights are not setting right.
-Drew
| norseone | 12-27-2002 04:33 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Newbie Subie [/i]
[B]What size are teh lights in your EDM's?
H1, 9007
It should say on the bottom of the plug. [/B][/QUOTE]
H1, 9007's I believe, but I will have to double check.
-Drew
[B]What size are teh lights in your EDM's?
H1, 9007
It should say on the bottom of the plug. [/B][/QUOTE]
H1, 9007's I believe, but I will have to double check.
-Drew
| norseone | 12-27-2002 04:58 PM |
Both lights are working now. Just need to sort out the fitment issues.
Thanks for your help guys.
-DREW
Thanks for your help guys.
-DREW
| mizar | 12-27-2002 05:11 PM |
WHOO!
CONGRATS
They are worth every bit of the frustration aren't they?
:D
CONGRATS
They are worth every bit of the frustration aren't they?
:D
| Newbie Subie | 12-27-2002 05:12 PM |
If they are they are true EDM's. Something bothers me about the light output that you are talking about. The JDM use a different size. Did you buy these new or used?
The passanger side is a big PITA because the wires and such do not have room to fit in. Patients will get you through, they do fit but tight. Make sure you aim them properly, if they are new some lights including mine were pointing to the moon! Let me know if you have problems with aiming
The passanger side is a big PITA because the wires and such do not have room to fit in. Patients will get you through, they do fit but tight. Make sure you aim them properly, if they are new some lights including mine were pointing to the moon! Let me know if you have problems with aiming
| norseone | 12-27-2002 05:23 PM |
They are the real deal, with aftermarket bulbs in them. I am going to take a pic in about 20 minutes so you can see the fitment issues.
-D R E W
-D R E W
| BurntJamb | 12-27-2002 07:06 PM |
Here's my experience with EDM lights and the jimhoyd harness:
Fitment: The passenger side light was a total PITA to install. I thought I was the first person to run into this since I had never recalled reading a thread about this until now. My passenger headlight was blocked by the stiff bundle of wires that is attached to the chassis carrying wires and crap for who knows what. I tried to move the wire bundle as much as I could and even used the headlight to push the thing out of the way... but it just wasn't working out. So here's what I did: I first removed the clip that was holding the stiff bundle of wires from the chassis. Then I used some zipties to attach it to part of the chassis that was as far back as I could move the bundle of wires. I ended up pushing it next to the gold/brass colored metal box that sits right behind the headlight. Anyone know what that thing is and if there are any potential long term problems with having that stiff bundle of wires right next to it?
Lights not working: My lights were more or less hunky dory until one night when the passenger side low beam stopped working. I also noticed that it had intermittently flashed on and off a few times too before going completely dead. When I got home I checked the connections and everything seemed normal. During the harness install I made sure to crimp the wire taps with a pair of pliers. Apparently, one of the zipties I used to secure the stiff bundle of wires was pushing the two wires leading into the low beam in such a way that was causing the low beam to not work. I moved the zip tie out of the way and the light came back on. That seems a little odd to me but it seems to have fixed the problem.
Fitment: The passenger side light was a total PITA to install. I thought I was the first person to run into this since I had never recalled reading a thread about this until now. My passenger headlight was blocked by the stiff bundle of wires that is attached to the chassis carrying wires and crap for who knows what. I tried to move the wire bundle as much as I could and even used the headlight to push the thing out of the way... but it just wasn't working out. So here's what I did: I first removed the clip that was holding the stiff bundle of wires from the chassis. Then I used some zipties to attach it to part of the chassis that was as far back as I could move the bundle of wires. I ended up pushing it next to the gold/brass colored metal box that sits right behind the headlight. Anyone know what that thing is and if there are any potential long term problems with having that stiff bundle of wires right next to it?
Lights not working: My lights were more or less hunky dory until one night when the passenger side low beam stopped working. I also noticed that it had intermittently flashed on and off a few times too before going completely dead. When I got home I checked the connections and everything seemed normal. During the harness install I made sure to crimp the wire taps with a pair of pliers. Apparently, one of the zipties I used to secure the stiff bundle of wires was pushing the two wires leading into the low beam in such a way that was causing the low beam to not work. I moved the zip tie out of the way and the light came back on. That seems a little odd to me but it seems to have fixed the problem.
| norseone | 12-27-2002 09:40 PM |
Burnt, tell me about it. I have a pic of the gap but I cannot host it, let me see if I can link to it. See the pic below in between the orange lines is the gap(my photshop skills own!). Any ideas.
And the lights are working fine now, stupid Jim Hoyd harness went south on me. I had to improvise.
[img]http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=147176[/img]
And the lights are working fine now, stupid Jim Hoyd harness went south on me. I had to improvise.
[img]http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=147176[/img]
| BurntJamb | 12-27-2002 10:09 PM |
i think its normal
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I'm pretty sure the gap you see is normal since I recall seeing the gap w/ the stock lights. Is the gap the same size on both sides? If all the bolts lined up (two near the grill, one on top) and you can close the hood and fit the grill back in, you're probably fine.
| 2003WRX | 12-27-2002 10:12 PM |
Drew, this thread isnt making me very excited to install my JDM lights... :p
| jagcars26 | 12-27-2002 11:32 PM |
Me either,,,,,lol
Rudy<<<can turn a wrench but electrically challenged;)
Rudy<<<can turn a wrench but electrically challenged;)
| norseone | 12-27-2002 11:57 PM |
Oh come on! Getting it to work is %90 of the fun! and Eric I will be a pro by the time yours get here!
The gap is bigger on the passenger side than it is on the driver side. I am going to take it out tomorrow and try to rearrange it.
Its well worth the time and money, the lights are dope. Real dope.
-Drew
The gap is bigger on the passenger side than it is on the driver side. I am going to take it out tomorrow and try to rearrange it.
Its well worth the time and money, the lights are dope. Real dope.
-Drew
| Newbie Subie | 12-28-2002 12:05 AM |
Drew,
Check the plugs on the side. It looks like what I'm talking about.
The bolt pattern will line up even if it 's not in the way it should be. Mine looked just like that.
Check the plugs on the side. It looks like what I'm talking about.
The bolt pattern will line up even if it 's not in the way it should be. Mine looked just like that.
| Sev | 12-28-2002 12:06 AM |
gap fix
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loosen the screws and just nudge the lights into the correct position they are on a fulcrum so you can push down less gap push up more gap (the center stays the same) once you havem where you want them tighten the screws..
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areg
| norseone | 12-28-2002 01:10 AM |
Word. I am going to attempt to fix them tomorrow. I tried to push and pull on the bottom and top of the lights to get it to center and fill the gap. It just would not budge, if i got the gap to disappear the holes would not line up. I just did not have the time 'cause i had to work.
Thanks for all the help though.
-D R E W
Lights look real good! A huge difference over the stock headlights, figures we get all the crappy stuff in the West. :rolleyes:
Thanks for all the help though.
-D R E W
Lights look real good! A huge difference over the stock headlights, figures we get all the crappy stuff in the West. :rolleyes:
| 2003WRX | 12-28-2002 02:04 AM |
I'm stoked to get mine installed and everything... I'm sure they look way better. I will need to figure out how to adjust them so I dont completely blind oncoming traffic though. :cool:
| spike | 12-28-2002 02:52 AM |
when i installed my passenger side edm light, the wires in the back were a pita, as well as lining up the hole for the bolt on the top. i pushed the wires around a bit in the back, and pushed on the bottom of the light housing, then screwed the bolt in on top. the gap is normal as i believe there is rubber trim behind it. just a suggestion...these lights are well worth all of the problems involved(to an extend perhaps), but get some headlight protectors for them. i had them a week before getting my protectors, and already they had a few nicks in them.
cheers.
cheers.
| norseone | 12-28-2002 03:31 PM |
All done and everything is sitting pretty. The thick wires behind the passenger side light was giving me problems. So I cut the electrical tape holding it down and then moved it out of the way. Lights sits perfectly now.
Thanks for all the help yo!
_DREW
Thanks for all the help yo!
_DREW
| 2003WRX | 12-28-2002 07:47 PM |
Sweet! I'll be looking forward to checking those out at the next meet. :D
| Leonardo | 12-28-2002 10:41 PM |
Cool, great info! My EDM's should be here next week (first pair on teh island:devil: )
I'm going to have to hard wire them as Jim said the harnesses are backordered till endof Jan and I can't wait!
Leo
I'm going to have to hard wire them as Jim said the harnesses are backordered till endof Jan and I can't wait!
Leo
| no_rex_yet | 01-03-2003 11:41 PM |
yeah, i just installed my EDM's tonight, and the passenger took forever to fit. like others, i ended up uncliping the bundle and shoving it back. after 20 minutes of pushing and shoving, the light finally dropped in.
has anyone needed to re-aim their lights? i think mine are pointed too high. i've been unimpressed with the low beams; my stock housings with hella bulbs were brighter! but i think i just need to lower them.
what should i use as a point of reference in terms of height? anyone know?
has anyone needed to re-aim their lights? i think mine are pointed too high. i've been unimpressed with the low beams; my stock housings with hella bulbs were brighter! but i think i just need to lower them.
what should i use as a point of reference in terms of height? anyone know?
| Zola | 01-04-2003 01:43 AM |
I definitely needed to aim mine after I put them in, they were much too high the way I received them.
[URL=http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/aim/aim.html]Aiming E-code headlamps[/URL]
[URL=http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/aim/aim.html]Aiming E-code headlamps[/URL]
| no_rex_yet | 01-04-2003 02:10 PM |
awesome, thanks for the link zola.
did you need to adjust the left/right axis of the lights as well? that site is pretty complicated. i don't know where i can find a wall that i can draw all over :p maybe i can use masking tape as marks.
did you need to adjust the left/right axis of the lights as well? that site is pretty complicated. i don't know where i can find a wall that i can draw all over :p maybe i can use masking tape as marks.
| Zola | 01-04-2003 03:36 PM |
I measured and put tape up on the walls of my garage. And yes, I had to aim each of the headlamps further to the right.
| norseone | 01-04-2003 04:53 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by no_rex_yet [/i]
[B]i've been unimpressed with the low beams; my stock housings with hella bulbs were brighter! but i think i just need to lower them.
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I have HKS bulbs in my low beams until I get some HIDS, they are bright, much brighter than the stockers.
-DREW
[B]i've been unimpressed with the low beams; my stock housings with hella bulbs were brighter! but i think i just need to lower them.
[/B][/QUOTE]
I have HKS bulbs in my low beams until I get some HIDS, they are bright, much brighter than the stockers.
-DREW
| no_rex_yet | 01-04-2003 07:35 PM |
ok, i just came back from aiming my lights. i used the old trial and error method instead of the more exacting means posted by zola, but i'm pretty satisfied with the results. i ended up lowering them a lot, and the result is much, much better.
i think the main difference b/t the d.o.t. (stock) and EDM patterns is that d.o.t. spec lights tend to put down a concentrated "splotch" of light, which upon initial inspection seems to be brighter than the EDM pattern. however, although the EDM's don't put down a defined bright spot, they provide a more even distribution of light over a wider, and longer pattern. in contrast, d.o.t. lights fail to light up anything outside of the splotch pattern. overall, i like the EDM pattern much better because it is less straining on the eyes and is more effective at lighting up the road.
i think the main difference b/t the d.o.t. (stock) and EDM patterns is that d.o.t. spec lights tend to put down a concentrated "splotch" of light, which upon initial inspection seems to be brighter than the EDM pattern. however, although the EDM's don't put down a defined bright spot, they provide a more even distribution of light over a wider, and longer pattern. in contrast, d.o.t. lights fail to light up anything outside of the splotch pattern. overall, i like the EDM pattern much better because it is less straining on the eyes and is more effective at lighting up the road.
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