| aznatama | 06-01-2004 09:28 PM |
feeler for possible fabrication run on adjsutable rear STi wing
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I'm just wondering how many people here would be interested in an adjustable rear wing a la 22b style?
it would be designed to be a direct bolt-on/replacement for the stock STi wing, but with a adjsutable center section made from CF. the rest of the wing would be made from FRP and much stiffer and won't flap like the stock wing.
would anyone be interested in this type of wing?
I know everyone is interested in pricing, and most of the wings I've seen like the gt-style cf wing cost about $400 shipped, so I'm thinking it would cost about the same or a little less.
just imagine the EVO wing, but shaped like the stock STi wing (2-levels) and adjustable.
it would be designed to be a direct bolt-on/replacement for the stock STi wing, but with a adjsutable center section made from CF. the rest of the wing would be made from FRP and much stiffer and won't flap like the stock wing.
would anyone be interested in this type of wing?
I know everyone is interested in pricing, and most of the wings I've seen like the gt-style cf wing cost about $400 shipped, so I'm thinking it would cost about the same or a little less.
just imagine the EVO wing, but shaped like the stock STi wing (2-levels) and adjustable.
| offset | 06-01-2004 09:56 PM |
If someone did some photochops of how this would look, it might be easier to respond. Maybe even just a quicky of an EVO wing onto the STi would give a general idea (I know, the horror or anything EVO:p)
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| kenchan | 06-02-2004 01:24 PM |
kinda like the Kaminari wing?
| aznatama | 06-02-2004 02:26 PM |
actually, yes, similar to the Kaminari wing, but with the lower wing that lies against the trunk like like the stock STi wing as well.
the upper center section can either be a pivoting blade like the 22B wing, or have a separate section like the E30M3 DTM and Kaminari wings.
It'll also cost a lot less than 650.
interested?
the upper center section can either be a pivoting blade like the 22B wing, or have a separate section like the E30M3 DTM and Kaminari wings.
It'll also cost a lot less than 650.
interested?
| rich728 | 06-04-2004 05:34 PM |
yes
| aznatama | 06-04-2004 06:55 PM |
so 2 ppl interested so far?....
| Scoobypup | 06-04-2004 09:25 PM |
I'll be #3 :D
| skyhawk | 06-05-2004 02:24 PM |
bump, I'd be interested
| rich728 | 06-05-2004 02:25 PM |
any further info like pics or drawings?
| aznatama | 06-06-2004 02:06 AM |
I can't really post any pics but I can try to make some drawings... the reason is becasue I haven't seen anyone make a wing like this, and I have hookups to manufacturing plants.
I like the look of the stock wing, but there are some problems like flapping, non-adjustability, flapping, and more flapping.
the wing I want to design will address all of the problems I've had with the stock wing. The stock wing is actually a 2-plane wing with the bottom plane attached right on the trunk, so the wing I want to design will be exactly the same, except the upper plane of the wing will be adjustable, and in CF.
I guess the ony question now is what kind of adjustment would everyone want? a 22b-type where the entier flap pivots, or the Kaminari-type where there is an extended flap to provide more downforce...
Anyways, I'll try to have some sort of composit drafted up mid-next week...
I like the look of the stock wing, but there are some problems like flapping, non-adjustability, flapping, and more flapping.
the wing I want to design will address all of the problems I've had with the stock wing. The stock wing is actually a 2-plane wing with the bottom plane attached right on the trunk, so the wing I want to design will be exactly the same, except the upper plane of the wing will be adjustable, and in CF.
I guess the ony question now is what kind of adjustment would everyone want? a 22b-type where the entier flap pivots, or the Kaminari-type where there is an extended flap to provide more downforce...
Anyways, I'll try to have some sort of composit drafted up mid-next week...
| rich728 | 06-06-2004 09:08 AM |
Sounds real good....exactly what im looking for...Let me know if I can help you with anything
| aznatama | 06-06-2004 09:40 AM |
I just need to generate interest and see what the market for a wing like this would be like. It's going to be a sizeable investment for me to make a production run of this proposed wing, so unless I have good interest, it won't be possible...
should I crosspost anywhere else? any extra publicity to generate interest would be nice.
Personally, I like the two plane design of the stock wing and it'll bolt right onto stock STi holes... but if ppl would rather have a direct replica of the kaminari wing, that can be done as well.
should I crosspost anywhere else? any extra publicity to generate interest would be nice.
Personally, I like the two plane design of the stock wing and it'll bolt right onto stock STi holes... but if ppl would rather have a direct replica of the kaminari wing, that can be done as well.
| drivrswntd | 06-06-2004 11:22 AM |
Syms makes a top half wing that has a carbon or frp adjustable center piece.
| Tobey | 06-06-2004 04:07 PM |
i would be VERY interested in something like this but i would have to see the:
a) quality
b) fitment
c) price
if it were an exact replica of the sti wing (in shape) but with a pivot center, c/f section... i would be all over it. however if it costs $500 and $100 to ship and $200 to paint... well i might reconsider!! :lol:
hey i'm cheap and i already have an sti wing!! :lol: i think it's a great idea though. keep me posted~
a) quality
b) fitment
c) price
if it were an exact replica of the sti wing (in shape) but with a pivot center, c/f section... i would be all over it. however if it costs $500 and $100 to ship and $200 to paint... well i might reconsider!! :lol:
hey i'm cheap and i already have an sti wing!! :lol: i think it's a great idea though. keep me posted~
| aznatama | 06-06-2004 07:25 PM |
the syms wing IMO is fugly... has 2 tumors in the bottom and the holes for the adjustable wing is pretty noticeable.
of course I'm looking for the higherst quality and fit possible myself... and I'm trying to make it an exact replica, but with an adjustable flap...
it will cost less than $500 for sure, and will be primered and prepped for ppaint, so painting should be much less than 200.
overall cost will most likely be about 600 for everything done. (product, shipping, pain).
The only problem right now is finding either a real 22b wing to replicate, (replicas of a replica don't turn out very well...) or finding a used STi wing, chopping it up, and fabricating my own adjustable wing to be duplicated. >.>
Another option is just adding an extendable lip to the current STi wing mich like the kaminari wing. what do you all think about that? it will be much much cheaper.
of course I'm looking for the higherst quality and fit possible myself... and I'm trying to make it an exact replica, but with an adjustable flap...
it will cost less than $500 for sure, and will be primered and prepped for ppaint, so painting should be much less than 200.
overall cost will most likely be about 600 for everything done. (product, shipping, pain).
The only problem right now is finding either a real 22b wing to replicate, (replicas of a replica don't turn out very well...) or finding a used STi wing, chopping it up, and fabricating my own adjustable wing to be duplicated. >.>
Another option is just adding an extendable lip to the current STi wing mich like the kaminari wing. what do you all think about that? it will be much much cheaper.
| Fubaru | 06-06-2004 07:28 PM |
How about fabricating a simple center brace to support the existing wing? Just to add stability. If it could be attached without too much effort I'd consider buying something like that.
| MB38 | 06-06-2004 07:48 PM |
I'd be interested. If I have some time, I'll photoshop what I'm guessing it might look like.
| MB38 | 06-06-2004 07:57 PM |
No dice, couldn't find an adequate STi wing photo to work off of.
| aznatama | 06-06-2004 09:15 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fubaru [/i]
[B]How about fabricating a simple center brace to support the existing wing? Just to add stability. If it could be attached without too much effort I'd consider buying something like that. [/B][/QUOTE]
I was thinking about that as well, and am currently looking into it.
[B]How about fabricating a simple center brace to support the existing wing? Just to add stability. If it could be attached without too much effort I'd consider buying something like that. [/B][/QUOTE]
I was thinking about that as well, and am currently looking into it.
| MITCHELL | 06-07-2004 12:12 AM |
I have the syms wing, it's ok but would rather have a wing whose center section is more like stock. that being said, I would donate the top section of my factory wing in exchange for one of your carbon replacements.
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| Tobey | 06-07-2004 12:15 PM |
another option
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another option might be fabricating an upgrade for just the top half of the sti wing for people with the stock setup. it looks as though the stock sti wing is 2-piece (top/bottom), so a 3-piece upper section could be made, 2 body-colored side pieces and a c/f middle blade.
i like the idea of a 1 piece wing better (well 2 pieces, 1 bottom painted section and 1 c/f blade), but an upgraded top section for less $$ would make me just as happy. not to mention it would probably be easier to make, cheaper, less r&d....
i like the idea of a 1 piece wing better (well 2 pieces, 1 bottom painted section and 1 c/f blade), but an upgraded top section for less $$ would make me just as happy. not to mention it would probably be easier to make, cheaper, less r&d....
| Grintch | 06-07-2004 05:10 PM |
Don't use the stock STi wing as a template.
a) it doesn't have a good aerodynamic/wing shape
b) its too thick in cross section (need to see the cops before they're on your bumper).
Less flap, better shape, adjustable, and less flap would be good. Hmmm, maybe an aluminum Gurney flap would stiffen the wing AND provide more downforce (but still more blockage of the rear veiw). Would probably look a lot better than a add-on center brace.
a) it doesn't have a good aerodynamic/wing shape
b) its too thick in cross section (need to see the cops before they're on your bumper).
Less flap, better shape, adjustable, and less flap would be good. Hmmm, maybe an aluminum Gurney flap would stiffen the wing AND provide more downforce (but still more blockage of the rear veiw). Would probably look a lot better than a add-on center brace.
| aznatama | 06-07-2004 07:38 PM |
Grintch, I won't be using the stock centersection as a template, just the bottom and sides...
| Grintch | 06-08-2004 10:07 AM |
Good. I think there is lot of interest in a aftermarket wing that would bolt up to the current STi lower section. Many STi owners aren't wild about the stock wing. I know I am interested ina good replacement.
You aren't the only one thinking (working?) on it, however. FYI [URL]http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/postnuke/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=8222[/URL]
You aren't the only one thinking (working?) on it, however. FYI [URL]http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/postnuke/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=8222[/URL]
| DirtDevil | 06-08-2004 05:37 PM |
how come no one has thought of the fact that the STI wing is a two half piece and just making the top two sides a seperate piece with a screw on center adjustable section. surely would be much easier to fab, and much cheaper. so essentially you keep your bottom portion and then screw on the two top sides and place your center section in screw on and loosen to adjust to the pitch you want? and I do know something of the sort has been made but non adjustable. Why not make a three piece kit? FRP Top Sides and then CF center piece. not a bad idea to me... anyone else like this idea?
| aznatama | 06-08-2004 06:24 PM |
that's exactly what I'm trying to fabricate. at the moment.
| MITCHELL | 06-08-2004 06:47 PM |
that's what the syms wing is like. it was very expensive, about $1200.00, and I'm not in love with the shape of the center section. again, i would love to see an alternative that more closely followed the shape of the stock center section.
| Tobey | 06-09-2004 12:10 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DirtDevil [/i]
[B]how come no one has thought of the fact that the STI wing is a two half piece and just making the top two sides a seperate piece with a screw on center adjustable section. surely would be much easier to fab, and much cheaper. so essentially you keep your bottom portion and then screw on the two top sides and place your center section in screw on and loosen to adjust to the pitch you want? and I do know something of the sort has been made but non adjustable. Why not make a three piece kit? FRP Top Sides and then CF center piece. not a bad idea to me... anyone else like this idea? [/B][/QUOTE]
:huh:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tobey [/i]
[B]another option might be fabricating an upgrade for just the top half of the sti wing for people with the stock setup. it looks as though the stock sti wing is 2-piece (top/bottom), so a 3-piece upper section could be made, 2 body-colored side pieces and a c/f middle blade.
i like the idea of a 1 piece wing better (well 2 pieces, 1 bottom painted section and 1 c/f blade), but an upgraded top section for less $$ would make me just as happy. not to mention it would probably be easier to make, cheaper, less r&d.... [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol:
[B]how come no one has thought of the fact that the STI wing is a two half piece and just making the top two sides a seperate piece with a screw on center adjustable section. surely would be much easier to fab, and much cheaper. so essentially you keep your bottom portion and then screw on the two top sides and place your center section in screw on and loosen to adjust to the pitch you want? and I do know something of the sort has been made but non adjustable. Why not make a three piece kit? FRP Top Sides and then CF center piece. not a bad idea to me... anyone else like this idea? [/B][/QUOTE]
:huh:
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Tobey [/i]
[B]another option might be fabricating an upgrade for just the top half of the sti wing for people with the stock setup. it looks as though the stock sti wing is 2-piece (top/bottom), so a 3-piece upper section could be made, 2 body-colored side pieces and a c/f middle blade.
i like the idea of a 1 piece wing better (well 2 pieces, 1 bottom painted section and 1 c/f blade), but an upgraded top section for less $$ would make me just as happy. not to mention it would probably be easier to make, cheaper, less r&d.... [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol:
| aznatama | 06-09-2004 04:24 PM |
I've decided to go ahead with a 4pc wing design... the stock STi bottom, and a 3-pc upper portion (2 uprights and center cf section).
This will minimize R&D time, and I will be able to deliver the product into the market much faster. I will be crafting a completely custom 3-pc adjustable for my own interest, and at the same time, sending out my upper section to a supplier to be made into a 3pc adjsutable.
so the wing will originally be for STi owners or those of you with the STi wing only. Afterwards, if there is more interest, I can then replicate the bottom portion and have a complete set for non-STi owners.
Also, this will allow the possibility of multiple height uprights for those of you who want to use itin a race application and need a taller upper wing for more downforce.
=) sound good?
I'm currently in the talks with several suppliers and trying to find out the quality of their mold making process and quality control methods b4 I finalize my decision.
This will minimize R&D time, and I will be able to deliver the product into the market much faster. I will be crafting a completely custom 3-pc adjustable for my own interest, and at the same time, sending out my upper section to a supplier to be made into a 3pc adjsutable.
so the wing will originally be for STi owners or those of you with the STi wing only. Afterwards, if there is more interest, I can then replicate the bottom portion and have a complete set for non-STi owners.
Also, this will allow the possibility of multiple height uprights for those of you who want to use itin a race application and need a taller upper wing for more downforce.
=) sound good?
I'm currently in the talks with several suppliers and trying to find out the quality of their mold making process and quality control methods b4 I finalize my decision.
| MITCHELL | 06-09-2004 04:32 PM |
If the center section of the wing is close to stock in shape, I'm in.
| aznatama | 06-09-2004 05:00 PM |
the center adjustable section will be a very conservative yet effective shape. Similar to stock but a bit thinner.
| DirtDevil | 06-12-2004 10:53 AM |
sorry tobey.. for some reason did not see your post. well at least we both realized something...:banana:
| rich728 | 06-14-2004 12:37 AM |
thinner is good...more ridged too
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