| Safe Drives | 06-02-2005 01:15 PM |
Fire Extinguisher Install Pics! 56k? - it is worth the wait! 2.5lb Amerex mounted in
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2.5lb Amerex mounted in front of the drivers seat in a Subaru Impreza and a Hyundai Elantra.
[img]http://www.safedrives.com/prodimages/Amerex/FireExInstallPics_collage.jpg[/img]
Easy install! Just four bolts, nuts, lock washers and some locktight.
This is just like the ones we have for sale in our group buy right now!
I do hope this helps you visualize how a Amerex Fire Extinguisher can easily be installed in your baby.
Charles Buren
[url="http://www.safedrives.com"]www.safedrives.com[/url]
[email="[email�protected]"][email�protected][/email]
877-739-1713
[img]http://www.safedrives.com/prodimages/Amerex/FireExInstallPics_collage.jpg[/img]
Easy install! Just four bolts, nuts, lock washers and some locktight.
This is just like the ones we have for sale in our group buy right now!
I do hope this helps you visualize how a Amerex Fire Extinguisher can easily be installed in your baby.
Charles Buren
[url="http://www.safedrives.com"]www.safedrives.com[/url]
[email="[email�protected]"][email�protected][/email]
877-739-1713
| SplatZ400 | 06-02-2005 01:22 PM |
what the ?
| ej20love | 06-02-2005 01:33 PM |
i dont like it, it is placed in a bad area and is not really hidden
| entropy138 | 06-02-2005 01:43 PM |
Looks like a problem waiting to happen... Looks trashy too.
| Safe Drives | 06-02-2005 01:45 PM |
Not a bad area at all! Easy to get to if you need it! You don't use that area of the floor for anything else so it's always out of the way.
| Safe Drives | 06-02-2005 01:46 PM |
[QUOTE=entropy138]Looks like a problem waiting to happen... Looks trashy too.[/QUOTE]
Problem? How's that?
Trashy? Buy chrome! :D
Problem? How's that?
Trashy? Buy chrome! :D
| bemani | 06-02-2005 02:18 PM |
Of course it looks trashy - its got that carpet trying to cover the extinguisher in that ghetto way.
| Safe Drives | 06-02-2005 03:12 PM |
[QUOTE=bemani]Of course it looks trashy - its got that carpet trying to cover the extinguisher in that ghetto way.[/QUOTE]
Ooooohhhh burn...:D We were just showing the different ways to mount it. Your Mom might want the carpet to cover it, ya never know. :)
Ooooohhhh burn...:D We were just showing the different ways to mount it. Your Mom might want the carpet to cover it, ya never know. :)
| quest | 06-02-2005 03:40 PM |
yup..that looks pretty gross...and def ghetto with the carpet over it like that.
people aren't going to want to drive without the carpet, and it looks gay with the carpet draped over the extinguisher like that...no win situation.
-2
people aren't going to want to drive without the carpet, and it looks gay with the carpet draped over the extinguisher like that...no win situation.
-2
| Safe Drives | 06-02-2005 03:48 PM |
Well it's just a floor mat. *shrug*
| Capt Crunch | 06-02-2005 04:03 PM |
What about mounting it over the rug? I want to mount my fire extinguisher there, but on the passenger side. Any comments?
| Safe Drives | 06-02-2005 04:21 PM |
[QUOTE=Capt Crunch]What about mounting it over the rug? I want to mount my fire extinguisher there, but on the passenger side. Any comments?[/QUOTE]
No matter what side you mount it on your going to have to mount it over the standard carpet in your vehicle. The fasteners will be going through that carpet and through the floor of your vehicle.
Now if you want to mount it over your floor mat as well then I suppose you could though I have never done it that way. Probably fine to do that, it's just more holes and longer bolts.
HTH
Charles Buren
[url="http://www.safedrives.com/"]www.safedrives.com[/url]
[email="[email�protected]"][email�protected][/email]
877-739-1713
No matter what side you mount it on your going to have to mount it over the standard carpet in your vehicle. The fasteners will be going through that carpet and through the floor of your vehicle.
Now if you want to mount it over your floor mat as well then I suppose you could though I have never done it that way. Probably fine to do that, it's just more holes and longer bolts.
HTH
Charles Buren
[url="http://www.safedrives.com/"]www.safedrives.com[/url]
[email="[email�protected]"][email�protected][/email]
877-739-1713
| Kean | 06-02-2005 04:22 PM |
[QUOTE=Safe Drives]Problem? How's that?[/QUOTE] The big problem (to me at least) is that it appears the mounting location would interfere with the forward movement of the seat. Also, it looks like there's a possibility of damaging the pressure gauge, locking pin, etc. by mis-stepping and/or kicking it.
[QUOTE=Safe Drives]Trashy? Buy chrome! :D[/QUOTE] I think he meant "trashy" by the way the floor mat is laid over the extinguisher. ....I tend to agree. It's a bad mounting location overall.
[QUOTE=Safe Drives]Trashy? Buy chrome! :D[/QUOTE] I think he meant "trashy" by the way the floor mat is laid over the extinguisher. ....I tend to agree. It's a bad mounting location overall.
| WRXout | 06-02-2005 04:27 PM |
or you can jsut buy a fire extinguisher and put it in your trunk!
but ya that works too, its all good
who cares bout trashy looks, if your engines on fire you wanan put it out right?
but ya that works too, its all good
who cares bout trashy looks, if your engines on fire you wanan put it out right?
| mindchatter | 06-02-2005 05:10 PM |
Where else could you mount one that'd be out of sight (for the most part) and yet accessible in the event of an emergency? I wouldn't want it on the A-pillar, as I think it'd look ricey'ish. The trunk would take too long to access, especially when potentially trying to save your ride, or (God forbid) someone's life. Last question....and this is for Safe Drives in particular - is this the "good" extinguisher? I know for auto applications there's a rather inexpensive option that doesn't prove all that effective, and another that works, but is pretty costly. (I'm sorry, I don't know the terminology for these, and am not trying to infer that your unit isn't good, just clarifying for my own edification).
Oh, and while I'm not wild about the look, I applaud the effort. ;)
Oh, and while I'm not wild about the look, I applaud the effort. ;)
| ChrisL2 | 06-02-2005 05:19 PM |
I've had one in front of the passenger side. The other place was right behind the center console. This lets the front passenger or driver fairly quick access to it. Of course, this prevents somebody from sitting in the middle rear seat, but who wants to be in the bitch seat?
| Kean | 06-02-2005 05:44 PM |
[QUOTE=STiDayDreamin']Where else could you mount one that'd be out of sight (for the most part) and yet accessible in the event of an emergency? I wouldn't want it on the A-pillar, as I think it'd look ricey'ish. The trunk would take too long to access, especially when potentially trying to save your ride, or (God forbid) someone's life. [/QUOTE] Personally, I would still mount it in the trunk. It only takes a second to access the latch while exiting the vehicle and an additional couple of seconds to grab it from the trunk. To be honest, that location worked great for me two times I had to use one in an emergency (once to help stop a small brush fire and the other for an engine fire). I'm sure we could spend all day thinking of scenarios that would justify having one at arm's length, but in most situations (for street driving) I feel a trunk mount would do just fine.
| mno | 06-02-2005 06:03 PM |
Functional isn't always the best looking. But if you need it, it's right there.
mno
mno
| Slack | 06-03-2005 09:33 AM |
That is a ridiculous place to mount an extinguisher. The mats tend to slide around if they are not connected to the mounting hooks. If the mat slides up under the pedals too far, you can't push the clutch all the way down and it could cause problems. Plus, if the mounts for the extinguisher ever fail, that is the last place you want it....except for maybe mounted on the passenger dash area. :lol:
Mick
Mick
| dream | 06-03-2005 09:57 AM |
Ive seen them mounted on the passenger side floor not under the mat and it looked much better and easier to get at.
| Safe Drives | 06-03-2005 11:32 AM |
[QUOTE=Slack]That is a ridiculous place to mount an extinguisher. The mats tend to slide around if they are not connected to the mounting hooks. If the mat slides up under the pedals too far, you can't push the clutch all the way down and it could cause problems. Plus, if the mounts for the extinguisher ever fail, that is the last place you want it....except for maybe mounted on the passenger dash area. :lol:
Mick[/QUOTE]
I don't know what to tell you Mick other than I have had it mounted there for over two years with no problems at all.
Folks,
FWIW, I am a SFI certified Rally America Scrutineer and this mounting position passes technical inspection for real rally cars. :)
Regards,
Charles Buren
[url="http://www.safedrives.com/"]www.safedrives.com[/url]
[email="[email�protected]"][email�protected][/email]
877-739-1713
Mick[/QUOTE]
I don't know what to tell you Mick other than I have had it mounted there for over two years with no problems at all.
Folks,
FWIW, I am a SFI certified Rally America Scrutineer and this mounting position passes technical inspection for real rally cars. :)
Regards,
Charles Buren
[url="http://www.safedrives.com/"]www.safedrives.com[/url]
[email="[email�protected]"][email�protected][/email]
877-739-1713
| mindchatter | 06-03-2005 11:41 AM |
Safe Drives - thx man, that's what I was wondering (about the diff't quality FE's available - appreciate the info). Just to clarify, I wasn't knocking your thread at all (with regard to the looks comment), just adding my .02. Again, I applaud the thread/effort. Thx again.
With regard to positioning the FE behind the center console....anybody have any pics or info on setting up a mount there? Would your mounting kit work in that location Safe Drives? And lastly, why the fear on having the FE visible? Do you think it invites break-ins/attracts thieves? TIA for any help!
With regard to positioning the FE behind the center console....anybody have any pics or info on setting up a mount there? Would your mounting kit work in that location Safe Drives? And lastly, why the fear on having the FE visible? Do you think it invites break-ins/attracts thieves? TIA for any help!
| kpmatt00 | 06-03-2005 11:52 AM |
I recently had my egnine blow up and catch on fire.. I wish I had a fire exstinguisher to put it out, but instead I was forced to call 911, adn since i liked my car I used snow to put it out. Now I hav ea new motor, adn still no exstinguisher. I think if i get one I will put in in the trunk, unless of course it was a track car.
-Matt
This really has no point does it...hah
-Matt
This really has no point does it...hah
| Gimpy00Wang | 06-03-2005 12:07 PM |
I keep my fire extinguisher on the floor just in front of the front passenger seat. I have it held in place with industrial velcro. It's visible, but not overly. It's easy to get to. Doesn't interfere with minor seat adjustments. The guage is safe too. I'll get pics sometime. :) Yes, the velcro has proved to be strong enough for emergency braking.
Of course, the mounting option I noted above is not roll-over safe. :(
- Chris
Of course, the mounting option I noted above is not roll-over safe. :(
- Chris
| Mr Kleen | 06-03-2005 12:22 PM |
mount the FE to a bracket, then bolt the bracket down using the front seat bolts. no holes in the car that way. and no, I haven't done this yet.
| Kean | 06-03-2005 12:48 PM |
[QUOTE=Safe Drives]FWIW, I am a SFI certified Rally America Scrutineer and this mounting position passes technical inspection for real rally cars. :) [/QUOTE] I don't think anyone is disputing the functionality of that position in a racing application. I just don't see it as a practical (or aesthetically pleasing) solution in a daily driven, street car.
| Safe Drives | 06-03-2005 06:14 PM |
[QUOTE=STiDayDreamin']Safe Drives - thx man, that's what I was wondering (about the diff't quality FE's available - appreciate the info). Just to clarify, I wasn't knocking your thread at all (with regard to the looks comment), just adding my .02. Again, I applaud the thread/effort. Thx again.
With regard to positioning the FE behind the center console....anybody have any pics or info on setting up a mount there? Would your mounting kit work in that location Safe Drives? And lastly, why the fear on having the FE visible? Do you think it invites break-ins/attracts thieves? TIA for any help![/QUOTE]
I love to help!
I'm not sure if this mounting bracket would work behind the center counsol since I've never installed one there.
Yes having anything visible inside your vehicle attracts thieves.
HTH :)
By the way we are having a group buy on these FEs right now in the nasioc vendor group buy forum. :)
Regards,
Charles Buren
[url="http://www.safedrives.com/"]www.safedrives.com[/url]
[email="[email�protected]"][email�protected][/email]
877-739-1713
With regard to positioning the FE behind the center console....anybody have any pics or info on setting up a mount there? Would your mounting kit work in that location Safe Drives? And lastly, why the fear on having the FE visible? Do you think it invites break-ins/attracts thieves? TIA for any help![/QUOTE]
I love to help!
I'm not sure if this mounting bracket would work behind the center counsol since I've never installed one there.
Yes having anything visible inside your vehicle attracts thieves.
HTH :)
By the way we are having a group buy on these FEs right now in the nasioc vendor group buy forum. :)
Regards,
Charles Buren
[url="http://www.safedrives.com/"]www.safedrives.com[/url]
[email="[email�protected]"][email�protected][/email]
877-739-1713
| kaisersouse | 06-03-2005 11:04 PM |
orig poster: go to store and check out SUV floormat sets. find the one with REAR floormats that you like and but them. then spend $1 on velcro (heavy kind, not felt crap) and attach velcro to underside of one REAR floormat and place it just ahead of the FE (or wherever its comfy). It will look much cleaner.
| ebeck | 06-04-2005 12:26 AM |
Your kidding right. There are many ways to mount that under the seat much tighter and more professional than that man. Mr Kleen mentioned one of the simplest and neatest methods.
| quest | 06-04-2005 01:09 AM |
how bout getting the center console arm rest extension, removing all the internal bits so it's a straight hole all the way down, then chucking a small extinguisher in there?
out of sight, and easy to access (i have no ideer if it'll fit, but it may be worth a shot)
out of sight, and easy to access (i have no ideer if it'll fit, but it may be worth a shot)
| WRXRgr | 06-04-2005 09:31 AM |
[QUOTE=Safe Drives]Not a bad area at all! Easy to get to if you need it! You don't use that area of the floor for anything else so it's always out of the way.[/QUOTE]
That's a terrible spot for it. If the fasteners pull loose, of retaining clamp pops, you've got the extinguisher rolling around your accelerator/brake/clutch pedals. What the h*ll are you thinking?
That's a terrible spot for it. If the fasteners pull loose, of retaining clamp pops, you've got the extinguisher rolling around your accelerator/brake/clutch pedals. What the h*ll are you thinking?
| pleue | 06-04-2005 03:17 PM |
hm could you mount it in front of say an oddyssey battery in that space in the engine compartment? Not sure if you'd have to make a heat shield or if theres enough verticle clearance, but right near the motor and out of sight. Don't flame if there is something terribley wrong with this idea.
| WRXRgr | 06-04-2005 03:37 PM |
You wouldn't want it in the engine compartment for several reasons...it's a pressurized vessel, PV=nRT, boost temp and watch that pressure gauge creep up! Also, if you have an underhood fire, it's nice to be able to shoot a blast or two thru rad, under cracked hood, etc BEFORE you try lifting that puppy open...cause it's normally going to "flare" when you do open it!
| markadopolus | 06-05-2005 02:10 PM |
ehhhhhhhh. I don't think thats a great mounting spot.
| Shifty Eyes | 06-05-2005 03:34 PM |
I mounted mine here, its not hidden but its out of the way.
[IMG]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/687000-687999/687360_85_full.jpg[/IMG]
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| Diode663 | 06-05-2005 04:53 PM |
I didnt read through all the posts but if you really want fire protection that no one can see, try [url]http://www.firebottleracing.com/The%20Facts.htm[/url] it can be hidden in ur trunk and plumbed to your engine. And its halon so no mess. Give it a look.
| Layman | 06-05-2005 05:18 PM |
[QUOTE=Safe Drives]FWIW, I am a SFI certified Rally America Scrutineer and this mounting position passes technical inspection for real rally cars. :) [/QUOTE]
No offense, but we don't drive "real" rally cars, and "real" rally cars don't have floor mats - nor do they care about aesthetics.
As a vendor and a businessman, you should appreciate the feedback you're receiving. Instead of getting defensive and throwing out petty insults, take this opportunity to realize the flaws in your marketing strategy - instead of trying to meld the market to meet your product, produce a product that meets a market need.
No offense, but we don't drive "real" rally cars, and "real" rally cars don't have floor mats - nor do they care about aesthetics.
As a vendor and a businessman, you should appreciate the feedback you're receiving. Instead of getting defensive and throwing out petty insults, take this opportunity to realize the flaws in your marketing strategy - instead of trying to meld the market to meet your product, produce a product that meets a market need.
| V6TurboTA | 06-05-2005 05:46 PM |
Not that I perticularly like the product in question here, or the way that it is mounted... but that aside,
If you buy a cheap extinguisher and have to use it on your own car... BELEIVE ME you will not have saved money in the end. The cheap ones make an unbelieveable mess, and cause damage in the process.
This one is not pretty, but neither is a car fire. I sure would be glad to have one of these in my car if it caught on fire. I used to carry a cheap one from sears ($10 or so) in my car back in the day, but havent really felt the need in my Subaru since I grew out of modifying my car to the point it might catch fire a few years ago :lol: ;)
Moral of the story = This might not be good looking, but is one of the best kinds you can get. The cheaper ones have SERIOUS drawbacks imho.
~v6
If you buy a cheap extinguisher and have to use it on your own car... BELEIVE ME you will not have saved money in the end. The cheap ones make an unbelieveable mess, and cause damage in the process.
This one is not pretty, but neither is a car fire. I sure would be glad to have one of these in my car if it caught on fire. I used to carry a cheap one from sears ($10 or so) in my car back in the day, but havent really felt the need in my Subaru since I grew out of modifying my car to the point it might catch fire a few years ago :lol: ;)
Moral of the story = This might not be good looking, but is one of the best kinds you can get. The cheaper ones have SERIOUS drawbacks imho.
~v6
| Perdue | 06-05-2005 06:11 PM |
Alright...from a Firefighter/EMT's prespective, that little estinguisher isn't going to do a whole lot anyways. It's true that it could be the difference between saving your vehicle or watchin it burn to the ground (I'm sure a lot of people have seen the video of the guy with the black VW that has to sit back and watch his car burn). Automotive fires get out of control very quickly, and that little estinguisher might be enough to hold it back, or even put it out, if you're quick enough. I've used 3 estinguishers on one engine fire, and these are 30lb estinguishers.
Now as far as some estinguisher education: Estinguishers are classed into what type of fires they will put out, then what type of media they use to do so. They all choke a fire by taking away part of the fire tetrahedron (sp?) consisting of Heat, Oxygen, Fuel, or in some cases a Chemical Reaction.
[b]Type A Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight fires involving wood, paper, and stuff that puts out white smoke, and usually do so by using pressurized water, which removes the heat and oxygen (Steam chokes it) from the fire. These are seldom used.
[b]Type B Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight liquid fires such as those involving gasoline, diesel fuel, oil, and stuff like that. They usually use a CO2 Foam (which contains water in most cases) to blanket the fire and choke it of heat and oxygen, as well as prevent the spread and reignition of the fire. These are sometimes used in kitchens and such, and seem like they'd be ok for using for vehicle use, but they aren't optimal.
[b]Type C Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight Electical fires. These usually use CO2 and sometimes a dry powder to put out the fire. If you ever use one of these, put out the fire and cut off the electricity immediately or the fire WILL reignite!! These are also seldom used.
[b]Type D Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight metallic fires, usually magnesium. These used to be popular for putting out old VWs due to their magnesium engine blocks, as spraying water on a metallic fire will only make it worse. If you happen to see one of these, it's likely ancient. Last I heard they were illegal due to their estinguishing media anyways.
[b]Type ABC Estinguishers[/b] are probably the most commonly found, and most effective/universal, estinguishers. They are used to fight Solid (except metal), Liquid, and Electrical fires. These are usually your best choice in an electical fire. They usually spray straight CO2 and sometimes powder, which gets extremely cold as it leaves the nozzle, choking the fire of Oxygen and Heat. Once again, if you use one on a vehicle, cut the positive power ASAP to aide in estinguishing the fire and keep it from reigniting.
I hope this helps someone, but I'm tellin you now, you're going to have to be extremely keen and fast to estinguish a fire with a 2.5lb estinguisher. The link that Diode provided seems to be a good bet in the fact that you could have much more of an estinguisher to put out the fire, but the coverage seems iffy to me. If you notice on the instructions of a normal handheld estinguisher, it says to point the nozzle at the base of the fire and sweep it. I don't see how a few stationary nozzles will do that. I'm not saying it won't work, but I'm skeptical about it.
To sum it up, That 2.5lb estinguisher isn't gonna do much, but at least make sure it's an ABC estinguisher. Oh...and if you're gonna get a 2.5lb estinguisher, I like the way Shifty Eyes has his mounted.
Now as far as some estinguisher education: Estinguishers are classed into what type of fires they will put out, then what type of media they use to do so. They all choke a fire by taking away part of the fire tetrahedron (sp?) consisting of Heat, Oxygen, Fuel, or in some cases a Chemical Reaction.
[b]Type A Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight fires involving wood, paper, and stuff that puts out white smoke, and usually do so by using pressurized water, which removes the heat and oxygen (Steam chokes it) from the fire. These are seldom used.
[b]Type B Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight liquid fires such as those involving gasoline, diesel fuel, oil, and stuff like that. They usually use a CO2 Foam (which contains water in most cases) to blanket the fire and choke it of heat and oxygen, as well as prevent the spread and reignition of the fire. These are sometimes used in kitchens and such, and seem like they'd be ok for using for vehicle use, but they aren't optimal.
[b]Type C Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight Electical fires. These usually use CO2 and sometimes a dry powder to put out the fire. If you ever use one of these, put out the fire and cut off the electricity immediately or the fire WILL reignite!! These are also seldom used.
[b]Type D Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight metallic fires, usually magnesium. These used to be popular for putting out old VWs due to their magnesium engine blocks, as spraying water on a metallic fire will only make it worse. If you happen to see one of these, it's likely ancient. Last I heard they were illegal due to their estinguishing media anyways.
[b]Type ABC Estinguishers[/b] are probably the most commonly found, and most effective/universal, estinguishers. They are used to fight Solid (except metal), Liquid, and Electrical fires. These are usually your best choice in an electical fire. They usually spray straight CO2 and sometimes powder, which gets extremely cold as it leaves the nozzle, choking the fire of Oxygen and Heat. Once again, if you use one on a vehicle, cut the positive power ASAP to aide in estinguishing the fire and keep it from reigniting.
I hope this helps someone, but I'm tellin you now, you're going to have to be extremely keen and fast to estinguish a fire with a 2.5lb estinguisher. The link that Diode provided seems to be a good bet in the fact that you could have much more of an estinguisher to put out the fire, but the coverage seems iffy to me. If you notice on the instructions of a normal handheld estinguisher, it says to point the nozzle at the base of the fire and sweep it. I don't see how a few stationary nozzles will do that. I'm not saying it won't work, but I'm skeptical about it.
To sum it up, That 2.5lb estinguisher isn't gonna do much, but at least make sure it's an ABC estinguisher. Oh...and if you're gonna get a 2.5lb estinguisher, I like the way Shifty Eyes has his mounted.
| WRXRgr | 06-05-2005 06:58 PM |
[QUOTE=Layman]No offense, but we don't drive "real" rally cars, and "real" rally cars don't have floor mats - nor do they care about aesthetics.
As a vendor and a businessman, you should appreciate the feedback you're receiving. Instead of getting defensive and throwing out petty insults, take this opportunity to realize the flaws in your marketing strategy - instead of trying to meld the market to meet your product, produce a product that meets a market need.[/QUOTE]
...somehow I seem to recall this same guy coming up before on NASIOC...with something that was ill conceived and not safe...and getting his head handed to him...hmmm....
As a vendor and a businessman, you should appreciate the feedback you're receiving. Instead of getting defensive and throwing out petty insults, take this opportunity to realize the flaws in your marketing strategy - instead of trying to meld the market to meet your product, produce a product that meets a market need.[/QUOTE]
...somehow I seem to recall this same guy coming up before on NASIOC...with something that was ill conceived and not safe...and getting his head handed to him...hmmm....
| V6TurboTA | 06-05-2005 07:03 PM |
[QUOTE=Perdue]Alright...from a Firefighter/EMT's prespective, that little estinguisher isn't going to do a whole lot anyways. It's true that it could be the difference between saving your vehicle or watchin it burn to the ground (I'm sure a lot of people have seen the video of the guy with the black VW that has to sit back and watch his car burn). Automotive fires get out of control very quickly, and that little estinguisher might be enough to hold it back, or even put it out, if you're quick enough. I've used 3 estinguishers on one engine fire, and these are 30lb estinguishers.
Now as far as some estinguisher education: Estinguishers are classed into what type of fires they will put out, then what type of media they use to do so. They all choke a fire by taking away part of the fire tetrahedron (sp?) consisting of Heat, Oxygen, Fuel, or in some cases a Chemical Reaction.
[b]Type A Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight fires involving wood, paper, and stuff that puts out white smoke, and usually do so by using pressurized water, which removes the heat and oxygen (Steam chokes it) from the fire. These are seldom used.
[b]Type B Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight liquid fires such as those involving gasoline, diesel fuel, oil, and stuff like that. They usually use a CO2 Foam (which contains water in most cases) to blanket the fire and choke it of heat and oxygen, as well as prevent the spread and reignition of the fire. These are sometimes used in kitchens and such, and seem like they'd be ok for using for vehicle use, but they aren't optimal.
[b]Type C Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight Electical fires. These usually use CO2 and sometimes a dry powder to put out the fire. If you ever use one of these, put out the fire and cut off the electricity immediately or the fire WILL reignite!! These are also seldom used.
[b]Type D Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight metallic fires, usually magnesium. These used to be popular for putting out old VWs due to their magnesium engine blocks, as spraying water on a metallic fire will only make it worse. If you happen to see one of these, it's likely ancient. Last I heard they were illegal due to their estinguishing media anyways.
[b]Type ABC Estinguishers[/b] are probably the most commonly found, and most effective/universal, estinguishers. They are used to fight Solid (except metal), Liquid, and Electrical fires. These are usually your best choice in an electical fire. They usually spray straight CO2 and sometimes powder, which gets extremely cold as it leaves the nozzle, choking the fire of Oxygen and Heat. Once again, if you use one on a vehicle, cut the positive power ASAP to aide in estinguishing the fire and keep it from reigniting.
I hope this helps someone, but I'm tellin you now, you're going to have to be extremely keen and fast to estinguish a fire with a 2.5lb estinguisher. The link that Diode provided seems to be a good bet in the fact that you could have much more of an estinguisher to put out the fire, but the coverage seems iffy to me. If you notice on the instructions of a normal handheld estinguisher, it says to point the nozzle at the base of the fire and sweep it. I don't see how a few stationary nozzles will do that. I'm not saying it won't work, but I'm skeptical about it.
To sum it up, That 2.5lb estinguisher isn't gonna do much, but at least make sure it's an ABC estinguisher. Oh...and if you're gonna get a 2.5lb estinguisher, I like the way Shifty Eyes has his mounted.[/QUOTE]
Agreed 100% that thing is really tiny. Like you said. the key is QUICK RESPONSE.
~v6
Now as far as some estinguisher education: Estinguishers are classed into what type of fires they will put out, then what type of media they use to do so. They all choke a fire by taking away part of the fire tetrahedron (sp?) consisting of Heat, Oxygen, Fuel, or in some cases a Chemical Reaction.
[b]Type A Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight fires involving wood, paper, and stuff that puts out white smoke, and usually do so by using pressurized water, which removes the heat and oxygen (Steam chokes it) from the fire. These are seldom used.
[b]Type B Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight liquid fires such as those involving gasoline, diesel fuel, oil, and stuff like that. They usually use a CO2 Foam (which contains water in most cases) to blanket the fire and choke it of heat and oxygen, as well as prevent the spread and reignition of the fire. These are sometimes used in kitchens and such, and seem like they'd be ok for using for vehicle use, but they aren't optimal.
[b]Type C Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight Electical fires. These usually use CO2 and sometimes a dry powder to put out the fire. If you ever use one of these, put out the fire and cut off the electricity immediately or the fire WILL reignite!! These are also seldom used.
[b]Type D Estinguishers[/b] are used to fight metallic fires, usually magnesium. These used to be popular for putting out old VWs due to their magnesium engine blocks, as spraying water on a metallic fire will only make it worse. If you happen to see one of these, it's likely ancient. Last I heard they were illegal due to their estinguishing media anyways.
[b]Type ABC Estinguishers[/b] are probably the most commonly found, and most effective/universal, estinguishers. They are used to fight Solid (except metal), Liquid, and Electrical fires. These are usually your best choice in an electical fire. They usually spray straight CO2 and sometimes powder, which gets extremely cold as it leaves the nozzle, choking the fire of Oxygen and Heat. Once again, if you use one on a vehicle, cut the positive power ASAP to aide in estinguishing the fire and keep it from reigniting.
I hope this helps someone, but I'm tellin you now, you're going to have to be extremely keen and fast to estinguish a fire with a 2.5lb estinguisher. The link that Diode provided seems to be a good bet in the fact that you could have much more of an estinguisher to put out the fire, but the coverage seems iffy to me. If you notice on the instructions of a normal handheld estinguisher, it says to point the nozzle at the base of the fire and sweep it. I don't see how a few stationary nozzles will do that. I'm not saying it won't work, but I'm skeptical about it.
To sum it up, That 2.5lb estinguisher isn't gonna do much, but at least make sure it's an ABC estinguisher. Oh...and if you're gonna get a 2.5lb estinguisher, I like the way Shifty Eyes has his mounted.[/QUOTE]
Agreed 100% that thing is really tiny. Like you said. the key is QUICK RESPONSE.
~v6
| Cadaver | 06-05-2005 07:38 PM |
I have a manually actuated Halon system that runs from the tank in my trunk to 4 spray nozzles under the hood. Flip the safety cap (to prevent an accidental extinguish) and hit the switch for quick extinguishing of any fire.
Just kidding, however that did sound pretty awesome if I do say so. I say.. whatever works for you. I personally don't like the location, but functional is what you need in case of emergency... so who cares what others think.
Just kidding, however that did sound pretty awesome if I do say so. I say.. whatever works for you. I personally don't like the location, but functional is what you need in case of emergency... so who cares what others think.
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