| DILLIGAF Racing | 12-13-2003 12:13 AM |
Future of the STI in Auto X?
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Is it going to stay classed as it is? Or are they going to move it? Does anyone know?
| MNbiker | 12-13-2003 12:36 AM |
No one knows. The SEB will look at results during 2004 and may change classing if the STi and/or EVO are dominating. For Street Prepared, this could happen mid-year, if the STi & EVO are dominating ESP (a real possibility). It's less likely to happen in A-Stock, where the cars will likely have a tougher go (with the possible exception of ProSolo).
Keep in mind, the SEB is a LOT slower to move cars down if they aren't competitive, so don't expect things to get easier.
-Steve
p.s. The EVO is currently in ESP, but the STi hasn't actually been classed in SP yet. However, it's likely the EVO & STi will be in the same classes, as the cars are so close in performance.
Keep in mind, the SEB is a LOT slower to move cars down if they aren't competitive, so don't expect things to get easier.
-Steve
p.s. The EVO is currently in ESP, but the STi hasn't actually been classed in SP yet. However, it's likely the EVO & STi will be in the same classes, as the cars are so close in performance.
| Orion | 12-13-2003 12:41 AM |
In Solo II I don't see it as having much of chance against the C4 Vette. At the same time, I don't see it moving down either, even though it would be up against a tough competitor in the S2000.
In SP, we'll see if ANY of us stay there. If enough of the core group speaks up like CP did, expect ANY turbo AWD car to get kicked out.:rolleyes:
In SP, we'll see if ANY of us stay there. If enough of the core group speaks up like CP did, expect ANY turbo AWD car to get kicked out.:rolleyes:
| ChrisW | 12-13-2003 11:26 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orion[/i]
[B] In Solo II I don't see it as having much of chance against the C4 Vette. At the same time, I don't see it moving down either, even though it would be up against a tough competitor in the S2000.
In SP, we'll see if ANY of us stay there. If enough of the core group speaks up like CP did, expect ANY turbo AWD car to get kicked out.:rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
I am not sure about AS. So far I am a consistant 2-3 seconds behind the corvettes in AS, I am still on street tires. So far the results are encouraging.
As for Street prepared, the STI [i]is[/i] technically a WRX, so it gets [b]provisionally[/b] classed in ESP until the SEB decides where they want to put it. It could change at any time during next season. (is that enough of a disclaimer for you KC? :rolleyes: )
[B] In Solo II I don't see it as having much of chance against the C4 Vette. At the same time, I don't see it moving down either, even though it would be up against a tough competitor in the S2000.
In SP, we'll see if ANY of us stay there. If enough of the core group speaks up like CP did, expect ANY turbo AWD car to get kicked out.:rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
I am not sure about AS. So far I am a consistant 2-3 seconds behind the corvettes in AS, I am still on street tires. So far the results are encouraging.
As for Street prepared, the STI [i]is[/i] technically a WRX, so it gets [b]provisionally[/b] classed in ESP until the SEB decides where they want to put it. It could change at any time during next season. (is that enough of a disclaimer for you KC? :rolleyes: )
| MNbiker | 12-13-2003 12:18 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisW [/i]
[B]As for Street prepared, the STI [i]is[/i] technically a WRX, so it gets [b]provisionally[/b] classed in ESP until the SEB decides where they want to put it. It could change at any time during next season. (is that enough of a disclaimer for you KC? :rolleyes: ) [/B][/QUOTE]
"KC Disclaimer".:lol: :lol: :lol:
FWIW - Current scuttlebut is the STi will indeed be initially classed in ESP, when the February 2004 FasTrack is published (should be out in early January).
-Steve
[B]As for Street prepared, the STI [i]is[/i] technically a WRX, so it gets [b]provisionally[/b] classed in ESP until the SEB decides where they want to put it. It could change at any time during next season. (is that enough of a disclaimer for you KC? :rolleyes: ) [/B][/QUOTE]
"KC Disclaimer".:lol: :lol: :lol:
FWIW - Current scuttlebut is the STi will indeed be initially classed in ESP, when the February 2004 FasTrack is published (should be out in early January).
-Steve
| TheWRX | 12-13-2003 04:09 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orion [/i]
[B]If enough of the core group speaks up like CP did, expect ANY turbo AWD car to get kicked out. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
It has already started, here's the latest outcry: [url]http://www.sccaforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=19;t=000233[/url].
[B]If enough of the core group speaks up like CP did, expect ANY turbo AWD car to get kicked out. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
It has already started, here's the latest outcry: [url]http://www.sccaforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=19;t=000233[/url].
| AUTOwrXER | 12-13-2003 04:20 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orion[/i]
[B] In Solo II I don't see it as having much of chance against the C4 Vette. At the same time, I don't see it moving down either, even though it would be up against a tough competitor in the S2000. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not so fast there chief. When Tom squeezes those 275s on, it may get interesting. I think it has a very good shot in the ProSolos, and after some development work it should give the 'Vettes a run in the Tours and Championship, IMHO...
Off-topic but of intereset here is that Atlanta just got the first ProSolo of the year after Ft. Myers bailed
:banana:
Joel
[B] In Solo II I don't see it as having much of chance against the C4 Vette. At the same time, I don't see it moving down either, even though it would be up against a tough competitor in the S2000. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not so fast there chief. When Tom squeezes those 275s on, it may get interesting. I think it has a very good shot in the ProSolos, and after some development work it should give the 'Vettes a run in the Tours and Championship, IMHO...
Off-topic but of intereset here is that Atlanta just got the first ProSolo of the year after Ft. Myers bailed
:banana:
Joel
| KC | 12-13-2003 07:03 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChrisW[/i]
[B] As for Street prepared, the STI [i]is[/i] technically a WRX, so it gets [b]provisionally[/b] classed in ESP until the SEB decides where they want to put it. It could change at any time during next season. (is that enough of a disclaimer for you KC? :rolleyes: ) [/B][/QUOTE]
No. :p ;)
Is an E40M3 technically a 330? But then again you have a Cobra/Mustang to say it is. Ppttthhhh I (jokingly) contend for now it's FSP (Subaru NOC)... but then again NOCs aren't legal for National competition. :)
:p :p :banana:
[B] As for Street prepared, the STI [i]is[/i] technically a WRX, so it gets [b]provisionally[/b] classed in ESP until the SEB decides where they want to put it. It could change at any time during next season. (is that enough of a disclaimer for you KC? :rolleyes: ) [/B][/QUOTE]
No. :p ;)
Is an E40M3 technically a 330? But then again you have a Cobra/Mustang to say it is. Ppttthhhh I (jokingly) contend for now it's FSP (Subaru NOC)... but then again NOCs aren't legal for National competition. :)
:p :p :banana:
| Kuro | 12-14-2003 02:55 AM |
People sometimes forget that there is a difference between trim levels and a whole new 'different' car.
One way I use to distinguish them is whether or not there is a third party involved in making the model. Eg. M, AMG, STi, etc. The STi itself has its own trim levels like the Spec C, Type RA, etc.
Based on this, I think it's logical to have the STi placed in a different class.
One way I use to distinguish them is whether or not there is a third party involved in making the model. Eg. M, AMG, STi, etc. The STi itself has its own trim levels like the Spec C, Type RA, etc.
Based on this, I think it's logical to have the STi placed in a different class.
| AWMIII | 12-14-2003 08:51 AM |
People bitching about 300 hp PFFFT! I could be at 450 at the wheels and be esp legal. I could also drop 500-600 lbs and balance the car out in esp. I run 275s on the street. How about 315s all the way around in esp? SP is a class where figuring out how a car will perform is really not possible until the racing starts. There are just too many variables. Can the sti win locall on tarmac? Yes probably. Can it win at Peru? NO WAY! not enough power and too much drivetrain loss. My prediction is the same for every subie with the exception of Keith. THe Sti will be an overdog on the local level and an also ran on the national scene.
| Templar | 12-14-2003 11:20 AM |
Well, I have been following the SCCA forums for a while now and Jeff Winchell has been the big cry baby about the EVO and STI in ESP. If you search for a few of his posts there, it looks much more like he is a pony car guy who doesn't like getting his ass kicked by imports. I don't see it as an issue. The SVT cobra has an extreme rubber and horsepower advantage ove the mitsu and suby. Turbo cars really get a raw deal in SP classes. The boost can't get turned up, but Mustang and Camaros can drop in 350s and 351s that were used on limited editions due to the update backdate rules.
Also, I don't see a stock class STI fitting 275 tires. In stock class the tire has to fit a rim of the same size as the car comes with stock (so 7.5 inch). Considering that the minimum recommended rim width for a 275 40-17 is 9 inches, I think you would actually be hurting traction trying to fit a tire that large on. Also the tire has to fit in the wheel well without rolling or removing the fenderliner, and it cannot extend outside of the bodywork. I believe that the maximum you are going to see on an STI is 255, just like any other WRX.
Also, I don't see a stock class STI fitting 275 tires. In stock class the tire has to fit a rim of the same size as the car comes with stock (so 7.5 inch). Considering that the minimum recommended rim width for a 275 40-17 is 9 inches, I think you would actually be hurting traction trying to fit a tire that large on. Also the tire has to fit in the wheel well without rolling or removing the fenderliner, and it cannot extend outside of the bodywork. I believe that the maximum you are going to see on an STI is 255, just like any other WRX.
| Davenow | 12-14-2003 11:33 AM |
just toss a MBC on it and BAM Street Modified. Trust me you will be happier there. No controversy about what you can and cant do.
| KC | 12-14-2003 04:32 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Davenow[/i]
[B] just toss a MBC on it and BAM Street Modified. Trust me you will be happier there. No controversy about what you can and cant do. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not on a national level Dave. :)
[B] just toss a MBC on it and BAM Street Modified. Trust me you will be happier there. No controversy about what you can and cant do. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not on a national level Dave. :)
| MNbiker | 12-14-2003 06:21 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AWMIII [/i]
[B]People bitching about 300 hp PFFFT! I could be at 450 at the wheels and be esp legal. I could also drop 500-600 lbs and balance the car out in esp. I run 275s on the street. How about 315s all the way around in esp? SP is a class where figuring out how a car will perform is really not possible until the racing starts. There are just too many variables. Can the sti win locall on tarmac? Yes probably. Can it win at Peru? NO WAY! not enough power and too much drivetrain loss. My prediction is the same for every subie with the exception of Keith. THe Sti will be an overdog on the local level and an also ran on the national scene. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not to sound too harsh, but what are you talking about???:rolleyes:
I agree a few ESP stalwarts are overreacting. However, an EVO did finish [B]2nd[/B] at Nationals this year, with very little prep time. It's hard to say how the STi's would have done, as they weren't classified yet, but many believe the STi will benefit more from SP preparation than the EVO.
There's no way the top ESP cars are putting down anywhere near 450whp. If I recall correctly, Schotz was putting down mid-300's, at best.
Where on earth are you going to find 500-600lbs of weight savings under SP rules, without moving your drivetrain to an entirely different bodyshell?
-Steve
p.s. I notice than NO current generation ('01-'03) Cobra's won trophies at Nationals....
[B]People bitching about 300 hp PFFFT! I could be at 450 at the wheels and be esp legal. I could also drop 500-600 lbs and balance the car out in esp. I run 275s on the street. How about 315s all the way around in esp? SP is a class where figuring out how a car will perform is really not possible until the racing starts. There are just too many variables. Can the sti win locall on tarmac? Yes probably. Can it win at Peru? NO WAY! not enough power and too much drivetrain loss. My prediction is the same for every subie with the exception of Keith. THe Sti will be an overdog on the local level and an also ran on the national scene. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not to sound too harsh, but what are you talking about???:rolleyes:
I agree a few ESP stalwarts are overreacting. However, an EVO did finish [B]2nd[/B] at Nationals this year, with very little prep time. It's hard to say how the STi's would have done, as they weren't classified yet, but many believe the STi will benefit more from SP preparation than the EVO.
There's no way the top ESP cars are putting down anywhere near 450whp. If I recall correctly, Schotz was putting down mid-300's, at best.
Where on earth are you going to find 500-600lbs of weight savings under SP rules, without moving your drivetrain to an entirely different bodyshell?
-Steve
p.s. I notice than NO current generation ('01-'03) Cobra's won trophies at Nationals....
| AWMIII | 12-14-2003 06:45 PM |
It rained like a cow pissing on a flat rock for most of the week didn't it? I would have gone in my subie, but my daughter was scheduled to arrive any day at that point. I know that the esp cars don't make 450. I just know that I could in esp trim. It probably won't help me as the car already make more torque than the rear tires can handle. I am most likely running AS next year anyway. No one ran an '03 cobra nationally last year in any class. It probably won't beat a C4, but it has a back seat that my daughter can fit in and a waranty. I have weighed the car and some of its components, and it can be much lighter in esp. As it stands it is 3550. I could get it down to about 3350 in AS. Unlike the subie, there are absolutely no corners cut in the drivetrain. and it has lots of fat to lose. They made no effort to make the car light. Because of that, it has a lot of fat to be easiley trimmed. The seats weigh more than twice a wrx seat, just for example. It is further from an autox car stock than a subie.
| zzyzx | 12-15-2003 12:46 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]but then again NOCs aren't legal for National competition. :)
[/B][/QUOTE]
Could you kindly point me to where this is stated in the rules?
By National level, I expect you mean Pros and Tours, right?
- Steve
[B]but then again NOCs aren't legal for National competition. :)
[/B][/QUOTE]
Could you kindly point me to where this is stated in the rules?
By National level, I expect you mean Pros and Tours, right?
- Steve
| MNbiker | 12-15-2003 01:02 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by zzyzx [/i]
[B]Could you kindly point me to where this is stated in the rules?
By National level, I expect you mean Pros and Tours, right?
- Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
It's in the second pararaph of Appendix A:
"All unclassified cars will compete in Super Stock until classified by the SEB, unless covered by a �catch-all� description. To use the catch-alls at the end of the specific car classes in Appendix A, start from Super Stock and work down the classes until a class is found. Such unclassified cars may not be eligible for certain levels of competition (Divisional, National, etc.) Look for a Tech Bulletin in an early current-year issue of SportsCar magazine for details or call the National office."
-Steve
[B]Could you kindly point me to where this is stated in the rules?
By National level, I expect you mean Pros and Tours, right?
- Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
It's in the second pararaph of Appendix A:
"All unclassified cars will compete in Super Stock until classified by the SEB, unless covered by a �catch-all� description. To use the catch-alls at the end of the specific car classes in Appendix A, start from Super Stock and work down the classes until a class is found. Such unclassified cars may not be eligible for certain levels of competition (Divisional, National, etc.) Look for a Tech Bulletin in an early current-year issue of SportsCar magazine for details or call the National office."
-Steve
| Dussander | 12-15-2003 10:49 AM |
Less talk, more AutoXing. :D Man, I hate the winter time.
| MNbiker | 12-15-2003 11:55 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dussander [/i]
[B]Less talk, more AutoXing. :D Man, I hate the winter time. [/B][/QUOTE]
No kidding! At least you guys have a nice, short Winter. My Winter seems like it's 11 months long!:(
[B]Less talk, more AutoXing. :D Man, I hate the winter time. [/B][/QUOTE]
No kidding! At least you guys have a nice, short Winter. My Winter seems like it's 11 months long!:(
| dwx | 12-15-2003 12:03 PM |
In the dry, that EVO was faster than all but 1 car in ESP. It wasn't the fastest car in the wet. That was running on Victoracers and not Hoosiers as well. That EVO was fairly well sorted and had just about all you could do to an EVO in ESP, from what I've read about it in the past. It also had a VERY good driver driving it. However it was nowhere near as prepped as Schotz' Cobra R that won. I did however read it had an XEDE management system, and if any of the domestic guys knew what it was, they probably would have protested the car. I saw a post on sccaforums where Schotz was asking when the EVO RS was coming out. :D
I think the STI could do better in ESP than the EVO given the mods you are allowed. Heck you put a turboback exhaust on it and the boost spikes to 18psi. :)
I don't think the EVO or the STI has the ability to keep up with a C4 vette with a good driver.
I think the STI could do better in ESP than the EVO given the mods you are allowed. Heck you put a turboback exhaust on it and the boost spikes to 18psi. :)
I don't think the EVO or the STI has the ability to keep up with a C4 vette with a good driver.
| ChrisW | 12-15-2003 01:57 PM |
The XEDE they had installed on the EVO was one of the prototypes, no plug&play, it was spliced into the MAF and fuel trim (like all of Vishnu's prototypes have been in the past)
Currently, Vishnu's XEDE application for the STI splices into the ESP legal connections, but you should expect that to change when the plug&play harness comes out.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dwx[/i]
[B]
I think the STI could do better in ESP than the EVO given the mods you are allowed. Heck you put a turboback exhaust on it and the boost spikes to 18psi. :)
I don't think the EVO or the STI has the ability to keep up with a C4 vette with a good driver. [/B][/QUOTE]
Remember that the EVO (with it's restrictive O2 housing) will have a similar boost spikes with a TB exhaust.
In the local AS events that I have competed against a well prepared C4 vette (13" wide hoosiers), an EVO (on street tires), and a M3 coupe (victoracers). In raw times, I am on average 2 seconds behind the vette, 1 second behind the EVO, and I can beat the M3 on a clean run using the STI with good alignment and the stock rubber.
I honestly think the EVO is a better autox car in stock trim, other drivers who have had the opportunity to drive an EVO and my stock STI on the [i]same[/i] course concured. IMHO, based on what I know about the WRX setup, I think the STI can kick arse in ESP providing we can keep the boost control issues (engine killing boost spikes) under control.
Once you get to ESP, the STI and EVO should have some epic battles on course :D
Currently, Vishnu's XEDE application for the STI splices into the ESP legal connections, but you should expect that to change when the plug&play harness comes out.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dwx[/i]
[B]
I think the STI could do better in ESP than the EVO given the mods you are allowed. Heck you put a turboback exhaust on it and the boost spikes to 18psi. :)
I don't think the EVO or the STI has the ability to keep up with a C4 vette with a good driver. [/B][/QUOTE]
Remember that the EVO (with it's restrictive O2 housing) will have a similar boost spikes with a TB exhaust.
In the local AS events that I have competed against a well prepared C4 vette (13" wide hoosiers), an EVO (on street tires), and a M3 coupe (victoracers). In raw times, I am on average 2 seconds behind the vette, 1 second behind the EVO, and I can beat the M3 on a clean run using the STI with good alignment and the stock rubber.
I honestly think the EVO is a better autox car in stock trim, other drivers who have had the opportunity to drive an EVO and my stock STI on the [i]same[/i] course concured. IMHO, based on what I know about the WRX setup, I think the STI can kick arse in ESP providing we can keep the boost control issues (engine killing boost spikes) under control.
Once you get to ESP, the STI and EVO should have some epic battles on course :D
| afpdl | 12-15-2003 02:12 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AWMIII[/i]
[B] They made no effort to make the car light. Because of that, it has a lot of fat to be easiley trimmed. The seats weigh more than twice a wrx seat, [/B][/QUOTE]
Your seats weigh over 100lbs each
:eek:
[B] They made no effort to make the car light. Because of that, it has a lot of fat to be easiley trimmed. The seats weigh more than twice a wrx seat, [/B][/QUOTE]
Your seats weigh over 100lbs each
:eek:
| KC | 12-15-2003 02:20 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dwx[/i]
[B] In the dry, that EVO was faster than all but 1 car in ESP. It wasn't the fastest car in the wet. [/B][/QUOTE]
2nd in the wet (51.507 vs 50.926), 2nd in the dry too (56.409 vs 56.317).
The guy that won ESP was .581 (50.926) ahead in the wet, but .465 behind in the dry (56.874).
[B] In the dry, that EVO was faster than all but 1 car in ESP. It wasn't the fastest car in the wet. [/B][/QUOTE]
2nd in the wet (51.507 vs 50.926), 2nd in the dry too (56.409 vs 56.317).
The guy that won ESP was .581 (50.926) ahead in the wet, but .465 behind in the dry (56.874).
| dwx | 12-15-2003 03:29 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]2nd in the wet (51.507 vs 50.926), 2nd in the dry too (56.409 vs 56.317).
The guy that won ESP was .581 (50.926) ahead in the wet, but .465 behind in the dry (56.874). [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I only pointed out the dry times because someone thought the weather played a factor, I didn't even look at the wet times that closely. I think if the EVO had won ESP, or been fastest in the dry, the outcry would have seen it moved to BSP already. Probably would have been better for the car if he sandbagged and came in like 5th. :)
I think as a purely stock car the EVO is probably better at autox than the STI due to its suspension, wider wheels and tires, and the steering rack. I think once you sort out the suspension on the STi though, the power might make it better.
[B]2nd in the wet (51.507 vs 50.926), 2nd in the dry too (56.409 vs 56.317).
The guy that won ESP was .581 (50.926) ahead in the wet, but .465 behind in the dry (56.874). [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, I only pointed out the dry times because someone thought the weather played a factor, I didn't even look at the wet times that closely. I think if the EVO had won ESP, or been fastest in the dry, the outcry would have seen it moved to BSP already. Probably would have been better for the car if he sandbagged and came in like 5th. :)
I think as a purely stock car the EVO is probably better at autox than the STI due to its suspension, wider wheels and tires, and the steering rack. I think once you sort out the suspension on the STi though, the power might make it better.
| AWMIII | 12-15-2003 03:37 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by afpdl [/i]
[B]Your seats weigh over 100lbs each
:eek: [/B][/QUOTE]
My driver's seat is 82 lbs with the bracket and the passangers is 74lbs. I thought the wrx seats were about 37lbs with the airbags. I may be mistaken about the wrx seats as it has been a while since I have had one out.
[B]Your seats weigh over 100lbs each
:eek: [/B][/QUOTE]
My driver's seat is 82 lbs with the bracket and the passangers is 74lbs. I thought the wrx seats were about 37lbs with the airbags. I may be mistaken about the wrx seats as it has been a while since I have had one out.
| afpdl | 12-16-2003 01:04 AM |
The wrxs are aroun 45 with bracket, but 82lbs is freaking ridiculous what the hell is in that thing.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheWRX[/i]
[B] It has already started, here's the latest outcry: [url]http://www.sccaforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=19;t=000233[/url]. [/B][/QUOTE]
Anyways Jeffs argument on sccaforums seems to be the evo did well on a japanese suspension, when the cars technology has been around for years so it must therefore be surperior and need to be moved. Oh and they dont sell enough evos or stis to be in esp. But then if they are not popular I dont see what it matters what class they are in since no one would be buying them:huh:
It may be that the sti and evo need to be reclassed but the reasons for that are not found in any of Jeffs arguments.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TheWRX[/i]
[B] It has already started, here's the latest outcry: [url]http://www.sccaforums.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=19;t=000233[/url]. [/B][/QUOTE]
Anyways Jeffs argument on sccaforums seems to be the evo did well on a japanese suspension, when the cars technology has been around for years so it must therefore be surperior and need to be moved. Oh and they dont sell enough evos or stis to be in esp. But then if they are not popular I dont see what it matters what class they are in since no one would be buying them:huh:
It may be that the sti and evo need to be reclassed but the reasons for that are not found in any of Jeffs arguments.
| trhoppe | 12-16-2003 09:36 AM |
I can't wait to kick ass in the STi in AS.
I think it will surprise quite a few people. Big tires + lots of shock + super duper center diff + 269whp = fastAr :D
-Tom
I think it will surprise quite a few people. Big tires + lots of shock + super duper center diff + 269whp = fastAr :D
-Tom
| AWMIII | 12-16-2003 09:38 AM |
What I can say is that the seats are way way comfy! THe driver's seat has all kinds of inflatable bladders that make the leg and abck bolsters get bigger and smaller. It also is like a gazillion way power, adjustable. BTW my battery is 56lbs!
| MNbiker | 12-16-2003 10:46 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B]I can't wait to kick ass in the STi in AS.
I think it will surprise quite a few people. Big tires + lots of shock + super duper center diff + 269whp = fastAr :D
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey Tom,
Are you now planning to run the STi at Pro's and NT events, or are you still going to play in STX part-time?
-Steve
p.s. Which Pro's are you planning to attend?
[B]I can't wait to kick ass in the STi in AS.
I think it will surprise quite a few people. Big tires + lots of shock + super duper center diff + 269whp = fastAr :D
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]
Hey Tom,
Are you now planning to run the STi at Pro's and NT events, or are you still going to play in STX part-time?
-Steve
p.s. Which Pro's are you planning to attend?
| trhoppe | 12-16-2003 10:54 AM |
I'm hopefully selling my car soon and getting a tow truck, so it will be STi or nothin'
I'm not planning to run any NTs actually. Atlanta, Petersburg, Oscoda Pro and if I need to Peru.
-Tom
I'm not planning to run any NTs actually. Atlanta, Petersburg, Oscoda Pro and if I need to Peru.
-Tom
| zzyzx | 12-17-2003 11:26 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker [/i]
[B]Such unclassified cars may not be eligible for certain levels of competition (Divisional, National, etc.) Look for a Tech Bulletin in an early current-year issue of SportsCar magazine for details or call the National office."
-Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the pointer, Steve. Now, what does "may not be" in the paragraph above mean? It seems somewhat ambiguous. (?)
- Steve
[B]Such unclassified cars may not be eligible for certain levels of competition (Divisional, National, etc.) Look for a Tech Bulletin in an early current-year issue of SportsCar magazine for details or call the National office."
-Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the pointer, Steve. Now, what does "may not be" in the paragraph above mean? It seems somewhat ambiguous. (?)
- Steve
| MNbiker | 12-18-2003 07:09 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by zzyzx [/i]
[B]Thanks for the pointer, Steve. Now, what does "may not be" in the paragraph above mean? It seems somewhat ambiguous. (?)
- Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, isn't that cute of them? The rulebook gives the SEB the flexibility to make any kind of ruling they choose. In reality, I believe the standard policy is cars must be classified in the rulebook or a FasTrack, in order to compete at Nationals.
-Steve
[B]Thanks for the pointer, Steve. Now, what does "may not be" in the paragraph above mean? It seems somewhat ambiguous. (?)
- Steve [/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, isn't that cute of them? The rulebook gives the SEB the flexibility to make any kind of ruling they choose. In reality, I believe the standard policy is cars must be classified in the rulebook or a FasTrack, in order to compete at Nationals.
-Steve
| KC | 12-19-2003 09:56 AM |
Feb Fastrack is out.... and it's not listed.
| MNbiker | 12-19-2003 12:46 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]Feb Fastrack is out.... and it's not listed. [/B][/QUOTE]
I understand the 2004 Rulebook has already been sent to the printer. Can they add cars to a new rulebook without publishing them in a FasTrack first?
[B]Feb Fastrack is out.... and it's not listed. [/B][/QUOTE]
I understand the 2004 Rulebook has already been sent to the printer. Can they add cars to a new rulebook without publishing them in a FasTrack first?
| KC | 12-19-2003 02:04 PM |
Yes, as far as classing new cars go, I beleive they can be done at any time. This just happens to coincide with the book publishing.
Any 'changes' to them after printed must be submitted for member feedback.
Many believe that WRX in ESP includes the WRX STi, just like Mustang in ESP includes the GT, Cobra and Cobra R.
However, I feel it shouldn't be on the same line like the Mustang.
Any 'changes' to them after printed must be submitted for member feedback.
Many believe that WRX in ESP includes the WRX STi, just like Mustang in ESP includes the GT, Cobra and Cobra R.
However, I feel it shouldn't be on the same line like the Mustang.
| MNbiker | 12-19-2003 06:13 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B].....Many believe that WRX in ESP includes the WRX STi, just like Mustang in ESP includes the GT, Cobra and Cobra R.
However, I feel it shouldn't be on the same line like the Mustang. [/B][/QUOTE]
Putting the WRX & STi on the same line wouldn't be so bad. I'd actually like this classing structure, as it would give WRX owners a logical upgrade path. Since the WRX & STi are based on the same body style, it's not like a WRX with an STi drivetrain would have a weight advantage, versus a true STi. Plus, it would let me build an STi wagon! :devil:
Now, some folks have advocated putting all Imprezas on the same line, which I'm not in favor of. This would create the same situation the poneycar folks seem to love, where you have lots of bodies/parts to mix & match. The likely result would be a significant advantage for hybrid cars like a 95 L coupe or 96 Brighton with an STi drivetrain, This scenario would pretty much suck for WRX & STi drivers.
One more thought - it would be kinda cool if they dumped all the GC body styles into DSP together. With a 2.5l engine, one of the aforementioned lighter Imprezas might actually stand a chance in DSP.
-Steve
[B].....Many believe that WRX in ESP includes the WRX STi, just like Mustang in ESP includes the GT, Cobra and Cobra R.
However, I feel it shouldn't be on the same line like the Mustang. [/B][/QUOTE]
Putting the WRX & STi on the same line wouldn't be so bad. I'd actually like this classing structure, as it would give WRX owners a logical upgrade path. Since the WRX & STi are based on the same body style, it's not like a WRX with an STi drivetrain would have a weight advantage, versus a true STi. Plus, it would let me build an STi wagon! :devil:
Now, some folks have advocated putting all Imprezas on the same line, which I'm not in favor of. This would create the same situation the poneycar folks seem to love, where you have lots of bodies/parts to mix & match. The likely result would be a significant advantage for hybrid cars like a 95 L coupe or 96 Brighton with an STi drivetrain, This scenario would pretty much suck for WRX & STi drivers.
One more thought - it would be kinda cool if they dumped all the GC body styles into DSP together. With a 2.5l engine, one of the aforementioned lighter Imprezas might actually stand a chance in DSP.
-Steve
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