| grandpa rex | 04-20-2004 07:40 AM |
GP San Marino Picks
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This is a sad weekend, and I am reluctant to make any picks for this race, but, here goes:
1. MS
2. RB
3. Alonso
4. JPM
5. Raikkonen
6. Trulli
7. Sato
8. Webber
For some reason, I am not allowed to post attachments. I have several Senna pics that I'll post if I can figure it out.
RIP Ayrton, you are still my hero
1. MS
2. RB
3. Alonso
4. JPM
5. Raikkonen
6. Trulli
7. Sato
8. Webber
For some reason, I am not allowed to post attachments. I have several Senna pics that I'll post if I can figure it out.
RIP Ayrton, you are still my hero
| TimStevens | 04-20-2004 09:57 AM |
Gotta go with MS on top. A little iffy after that...
1. MS
2. KR - he's gotta finish this time
3. RB
4. JPM
5. DC - the eternal DC fan
6. RS
7. Alonso
8. Fisi
1. MS
2. KR - he's gotta finish this time
3. RB
4. JPM
5. DC - the eternal DC fan
6. RS
7. Alonso
8. Fisi
| artkevin | 04-20-2004 01:14 PM |
Other then the red cars I have to go with absolutely no clue. I always pull for Monto, Webber, Alonso and Button. Screw it, anybody but MS, even Barichello if he wins it fair.
| donjuan | 04-20-2004 03:02 PM |
You're right...a sad weekend. And a wild card I think as far as the race. It always mixes up a little when they get back to Europe. As a Williams fan, I'm gonna go against the red and pick a Williams win, with Schumacher splitting the two Williams. I can hope...
| gtguy | 04-20-2004 04:34 PM |
Imola is cooler than usual, with a chance for rain. Both situations, unless it's some dinky drizzle, favor the Bridgestones. With that in mind:
1. MS (best driver, best car, best team)
2. JB (a surprising pick, but I think he's brimming with confidence right now)
3. RB (he'll find some way to mess up...)
4. JPM (will be fast, but not quite there yet)
5. FA (payback time, and he will be on form)
6. TS (Sato is maturing, and coming along)
7. JT (Trulli will benefit from the Renault's extra power)
8. DC (pit strategy)
It's just so difficult to argue against the red cars, until the European weather heats up, and Michelin has a chance. But even then, you have to wonder. Malaysia was a pretty compelling argument
Kevin
1. MS (best driver, best car, best team)
2. JB (a surprising pick, but I think he's brimming with confidence right now)
3. RB (he'll find some way to mess up...)
4. JPM (will be fast, but not quite there yet)
5. FA (payback time, and he will be on form)
6. TS (Sato is maturing, and coming along)
7. JT (Trulli will benefit from the Renault's extra power)
8. DC (pit strategy)
It's just so difficult to argue against the red cars, until the European weather heats up, and Michelin has a chance. But even then, you have to wonder. Malaysia was a pretty compelling argument
Kevin
| SolbergWRCfan | 04-20-2004 05:12 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy[/i]
[B] Imola is cooler than usual, with a chance for rain. Both situations, unless it's some dinky drizzle, favor the Bridgestones. With that in mind:
1. MS (best driver, best car, best team)
2. JB (a surprising pick, but I think he's brimming with confidence right now)
3. RB (he'll find some way to mess up...)
4. JPM (will be fast, but not quite there yet)
5. FA (payback time, and he will be on form)
6. TS (Sato is maturing, and coming along)
7. GF (Fisi will benefit from the Renault's extra power)
8. DC (pit strategy)
It's just so difficult to argue against the red cars, until the European weather heats up, and Michelin has a chance. But even then, you have to wonder. Malaysia was a pretty compelling argument
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
:huh:
How will Fisi benfit from the Renault's extra power? He drives for Sauber.
Jon
PS:
1.) MS
2.) RB
3.) JPM
4.) JB
5.) RS
6.) FA
7.) TS
8.) MW
[B] Imola is cooler than usual, with a chance for rain. Both situations, unless it's some dinky drizzle, favor the Bridgestones. With that in mind:
1. MS (best driver, best car, best team)
2. JB (a surprising pick, but I think he's brimming with confidence right now)
3. RB (he'll find some way to mess up...)
4. JPM (will be fast, but not quite there yet)
5. FA (payback time, and he will be on form)
6. TS (Sato is maturing, and coming along)
7. GF (Fisi will benefit from the Renault's extra power)
8. DC (pit strategy)
It's just so difficult to argue against the red cars, until the European weather heats up, and Michelin has a chance. But even then, you have to wonder. Malaysia was a pretty compelling argument
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
:huh:
How will Fisi benfit from the Renault's extra power? He drives for Sauber.
Jon
PS:
1.) MS
2.) RB
3.) JPM
4.) JB
5.) RS
6.) FA
7.) TS
8.) MW
| Arioch | 04-20-2004 05:16 PM |
hmmm.... Here's what I'd love to see...
1) Kimi (after all the "kablamo's", it'd be great to see him win here)
2) JPM (a good fight between him and Kimi till the end)
3) JB (another podium would be :eek: )
but I think it'll end up more like this.
1) MS (sold his soul to the devil and nobody will win a WDC or a WCC until he retires)
2) RB (ever MS's bitch. will be leading but asked to move over for MS or "develop a small understeer problem" letting MS by)
3) doesn't matter after 1&2. 2004 is looking like 2002 all over again. Just what the sport doesn't need... :(
1) Kimi (after all the "kablamo's", it'd be great to see him win here)
2) JPM (a good fight between him and Kimi till the end)
3) JB (another podium would be :eek: )
but I think it'll end up more like this.
1) MS (sold his soul to the devil and nobody will win a WDC or a WCC until he retires)
2) RB (ever MS's bitch. will be leading but asked to move over for MS or "develop a small understeer problem" letting MS by)
3) doesn't matter after 1&2. 2004 is looking like 2002 all over again. Just what the sport doesn't need... :(
| OnTheGas | 04-20-2004 05:20 PM |
I'm Seeing Red!
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[list=1][*][b]Micheal[/b] - Rain or not, if someone can run w/him during the race, I'll be surprised![*][b]Rubinho[/b] - Likes the wet also.[*][b]Juan[/b] - Williams/BMW has been consistently the best in the non red class.[*][b]Ralfie[/b] - Consistently outperformed by his team-mate.[*][b]Fernando[/b] - Renault are stepping up the motor this weekend[*][b]Jarno[/b][*][b]Jenson[/b] - BAR has been stout, but if Williams and Renault get it right, their race speed will be higher.[*][b]Takuma[/b][/list=1]
| BillT | 04-20-2004 06:33 PM |
Here are my picks:
1. MS - Based on the season so far and that he won last year with inferior tires, its hard to not pick him
2. RB - the red guys are really just too fast so far for the season
3. FA - he'll get his qualifying demons worked out for this race and be the best of the rest, but not really close to the Ferrari's
4. JPM - a mental lapse will cause him to lose 3rd to FA
5. MW - won't be fast enough to catch FA or JPM and will weave back and forth enough to not let anyone else past him
6. JB - the podium streak ends of JB, but he still gets points
7. KR - will finally finsih a race, but the car will be so de-tuned that he won't really be competitive, 50+ seconds off of the Ferrari's
8. RS - he'll just show up and put in a lackluster performance to further hurt his value for next year.
Like the Bahrain race, I think the Ferrari's will run away from the start, but there will be some good racing behind them for spots 3-8.
1. MS - Based on the season so far and that he won last year with inferior tires, its hard to not pick him
2. RB - the red guys are really just too fast so far for the season
3. FA - he'll get his qualifying demons worked out for this race and be the best of the rest, but not really close to the Ferrari's
4. JPM - a mental lapse will cause him to lose 3rd to FA
5. MW - won't be fast enough to catch FA or JPM and will weave back and forth enough to not let anyone else past him
6. JB - the podium streak ends of JB, but he still gets points
7. KR - will finally finsih a race, but the car will be so de-tuned that he won't really be competitive, 50+ seconds off of the Ferrari's
8. RS - he'll just show up and put in a lackluster performance to further hurt his value for next year.
Like the Bahrain race, I think the Ferrari's will run away from the start, but there will be some good racing behind them for spots 3-8.
| gtguy | 04-20-2004 06:33 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SolbergWRCfan [/i]
[B]:huh:
How will Fisi benfit from the Renault's extra power? He drives for Sauber.
Jon
PS:
1.) MS
2.) RB
3.) JPM
4.) JB
5.) RS
6.) FA
7.) TS
8.) MW [/B][/QUOTE]
Ahhh crap! I meant Trulli! I don't know why I get those two mixed up all the time.
Kevin
[B]:huh:
How will Fisi benfit from the Renault's extra power? He drives for Sauber.
Jon
PS:
1.) MS
2.) RB
3.) JPM
4.) JB
5.) RS
6.) FA
7.) TS
8.) MW [/B][/QUOTE]
Ahhh crap! I meant Trulli! I don't know why I get those two mixed up all the time.
Kevin
| rbehny | 04-20-2004 06:57 PM |
All i know is kimi Raikkonen is gonna blow up again. Just got that feeling.
As far as the 1,2,3
1. MS
2. RB
3. RS
As far as the 1,2,3
1. MS
2. RB
3. RS
| erich_sc | 04-22-2004 07:59 PM |
Kimi's car will blow up or Kimi himself? :) Probably a little of both.
My picks...
1.) MS
2.) RB
3.) JPM
4.) JB
5.) FA
6.) RS
7.) TS
8.) MW
My picks...
1.) MS
2.) RB
3.) JPM
4.) JB
5.) FA
6.) RS
7.) TS
8.) MW
| OnTheGas | 04-22-2004 08:37 PM |
Weather Forecast As Of Thursday Evening
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[URL=http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/ITXX0032_f.html]Yahoo / Weather dot com forecast[/URL] Rain in the morning on race-day... high of ~58F... pretty cold and wet!
No rain on Friday or Saturday... but highs in the low 60's... Looks like Bridgestone / Ferrari weather.
No rain on Friday or Saturday... but highs in the low 60's... Looks like Bridgestone / Ferrari weather.
| TimStevens | 04-22-2004 09:28 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by OnTheGas[/i]
[B] Looks like Bridgestone / Ferrari weather. [/B][/QUOTE]
It could be raining fire and locusts and I think that'd still be good Ferrari weather :)
[B] Looks like Bridgestone / Ferrari weather. [/B][/QUOTE]
It could be raining fire and locusts and I think that'd still be good Ferrari weather :)
| Lafora | 04-23-2004 01:22 AM |
last time my friends and i had picks for Bahrain
i guessed that kimi wouldn't last more than half distance.
he surprised me.
i'm going to push my luck.
quarter distance before he blows up :p
i guessed that kimi wouldn't last more than half distance.
he surprised me.
i'm going to push my luck.
quarter distance before he blows up :p
| Impreza Rider | 04-24-2004 09:38 AM |
There's a shock...
Kimi starts from the back...not sure what exactly happened to him though.
And the real shocker, and BAR on pole. wow...could be a good race if Button can stay out ahead
Kimi starts from the back...not sure what exactly happened to him though.
And the real shocker, and BAR on pole. wow...could be a good race if Button can stay out ahead
| gtguy | 04-24-2004 11:09 AM |
Jenson Button is making me look like something of a sage, here. M. Schumacher's Ferrari was definitely faster, as evidenced by the hose-off and stunning recovery for P2. But that BAR is rocking and rolling, no question.
I just hope that BAR isn't on some wacky fuel strategy. That's a big gap between he and Sato, grid-wise. Usually, teammates, unless somebody really corked up their lap, are within a couple of tenths, based on a one-lap fuel strategy difference.
Kimi had to change an engine, and Fisichella had gearbox woes.
Tomorrow's race is going to be verrry interesting. Both Ferraris are on the dirty side of the track, and have Alonso behind them, he of the amazing "clutch control" starts.
Will Button tense up like Webber did from the front row? Will the dirty line matter? Will M. Schumacher simply pass Button and drive away? What the hell is wrong with Kimi Raikkonen?
Stay tuned for the answers to these and other questions, at the 2004 San Marino Grand Prix. :lol:
Kevin
I just hope that BAR isn't on some wacky fuel strategy. That's a big gap between he and Sato, grid-wise. Usually, teammates, unless somebody really corked up their lap, are within a couple of tenths, based on a one-lap fuel strategy difference.
Kimi had to change an engine, and Fisichella had gearbox woes.
Tomorrow's race is going to be verrry interesting. Both Ferraris are on the dirty side of the track, and have Alonso behind them, he of the amazing "clutch control" starts.
Will Button tense up like Webber did from the front row? Will the dirty line matter? Will M. Schumacher simply pass Button and drive away? What the hell is wrong with Kimi Raikkonen?
Stay tuned for the answers to these and other questions, at the 2004 San Marino Grand Prix. :lol:
Kevin
| Patrick L | 04-24-2004 02:56 PM |
Button on the Pole!
We need another trading paint on Speed. Do it with Button and his BAR Honda and Solberg and his WRC Impreza at Like Sliverstone. Heck, David Richards could set it all up.
We need another trading paint on Speed. Do it with Button and his BAR Honda and Solberg and his WRC Impreza at Like Sliverstone. Heck, David Richards could set it all up.
| johnfelstead | 04-24-2004 04:35 PM |
i backed Button for a win at the start of the season and its looking very much on the cards to come soon. The speed is genuine and even without Michael cocking up one corner i still think Jenson had pole, just, his last sector time was awesome.
Michelin are running their softer tyres for this race for the first time this year, so i think the Bridgestone advantage will not be present in this race.
JPM is going to hound Michael hard too, as i feel they ran with more fuel so JPM's speed is genuine too, which is what Jenson needs to help take some presure off.
Button is experienced enough now not to crack under presure, he is almost identical on race starts to the number Mansell had before his first win too, at 70 compared to Nigels 72 and the car was working brilliantly on the kebs and bad bumps at Imola, which is going to help his tyres survive too. So i am backing Jenson for a win. :eek:
With regards to Senna, i am going to go along with Barichello and think of the amazing things he did and not the tragedy that happened 10 years ago. Thats the best way to remember someone special IMHO.
My predictions are
JB
JPM
MS
FA
RB
RS
:eek::D
Michelin are running their softer tyres for this race for the first time this year, so i think the Bridgestone advantage will not be present in this race.
JPM is going to hound Michael hard too, as i feel they ran with more fuel so JPM's speed is genuine too, which is what Jenson needs to help take some presure off.
Button is experienced enough now not to crack under presure, he is almost identical on race starts to the number Mansell had before his first win too, at 70 compared to Nigels 72 and the car was working brilliantly on the kebs and bad bumps at Imola, which is going to help his tyres survive too. So i am backing Jenson for a win. :eek:
With regards to Senna, i am going to go along with Barichello and think of the amazing things he did and not the tragedy that happened 10 years ago. Thats the best way to remember someone special IMHO.
My predictions are
JB
JPM
MS
FA
RB
RS
:eek::D
| FatChanceTi | 04-24-2004 05:09 PM |
It's also a bit of a downer to see them run Tamburello with that chicane thrown in there, especially after watching all of the 93,94 recaps lately. That was a great old highspeed sweep!
FCTi
-would love to see Rubens win, that would be quite an emotional podium
FCTi
-would love to see Rubens win, that would be quite an emotional podium
| OnTheGas | 04-24-2004 11:58 PM |
Jenson Power
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]2. JB (a surprising pick, but I think he's brimming with confidence right now)
[/B][/QUOTE]Kevin - Nice pick as Jenson has grabbed his first pole! He is brimming with confidence, even if his car may not be brimming with fuel.
It will be interesting to see their race pace, and when JB, Micheal, and Juan Pablo all make their first stops. As you mentioned, Takuma qual'd 7th, which is about where I expected BAR's race pace to be.
And let's not forget that Renault also stepped it up for this race, with more hp, and a better aero. Fernando and Jarno's race pace has been very good so far in the 1st three fly-aways. That is why I picked Renault to finish behind the williams, and in front of BAR.
Michelin brought 3 dry compounds, and they said that all 3 choices will be in play amongst their 6 teams on race day. Renault can probably run the softest compound, but others may pay a price. If we see cars falling drastically off pace late in their stints, we'll know who went too agressive on tire choice. Can't wait to see if Michelin can finally meet the challenge on race day.
[B]2. JB (a surprising pick, but I think he's brimming with confidence right now)
[/B][/QUOTE]Kevin - Nice pick as Jenson has grabbed his first pole! He is brimming with confidence, even if his car may not be brimming with fuel.
It will be interesting to see their race pace, and when JB, Micheal, and Juan Pablo all make their first stops. As you mentioned, Takuma qual'd 7th, which is about where I expected BAR's race pace to be.
And let's not forget that Renault also stepped it up for this race, with more hp, and a better aero. Fernando and Jarno's race pace has been very good so far in the 1st three fly-aways. That is why I picked Renault to finish behind the williams, and in front of BAR.
Michelin brought 3 dry compounds, and they said that all 3 choices will be in play amongst their 6 teams on race day. Renault can probably run the softest compound, but others may pay a price. If we see cars falling drastically off pace late in their stints, we'll know who went too agressive on tire choice. Can't wait to see if Michelin can finally meet the challenge on race day.
| OnTheGas | 04-25-2004 12:00 AM |
Tamburello Chicane
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by FatChanceTi [/i]
[B]It's also a bit of a downer to see them run Tamburello with that chicane thrown in there, especially after watching all of the 93,94 recaps lately. That was a great old highspeed sweep![/B][/QUOTE]Yes... well said.
[B]It's also a bit of a downer to see them run Tamburello with that chicane thrown in there, especially after watching all of the 93,94 recaps lately. That was a great old highspeed sweep![/B][/QUOTE]Yes... well said.
| wistful | 04-25-2004 12:42 AM |
Goooooooo Jenson!!!!
Don
Don
| FatChanceTi | 04-25-2004 10:50 AM |
SPOILER for those who have not yet watched:
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With all of those 2nd tier guys running very closely (JPM, Ralf, Alonso, Rubens, Jarno and Sato) there would have been some fantastic racing (on the track, not in the pits) if there were at least 1 decent passing corner.
Too bad.
Seems that over a race Schumi IS still that much better than everyone else. Rubens seemed to show us today that the car is not the star this year.
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With all of those 2nd tier guys running very closely (JPM, Ralf, Alonso, Rubens, Jarno and Sato) there would have been some fantastic racing (on the track, not in the pits) if there were at least 1 decent passing corner.
Too bad.
Seems that over a race Schumi IS still that much better than everyone else. Rubens seemed to show us today that the car is not the star this year.
| HoRo1 | 04-25-2004 01:44 PM |
Most consecutive F1 victories
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That's 4 consecutive wins for Schumacher. The record for consecutive wins in a season is 5 held by Mansell (1992), Clark (1965) and Brabham (1960).
That's 4 consecutive wins for Schumacher. The record for consecutive wins in a season is 5 held by Mansell (1992), Clark (1965) and Brabham (1960).
| artkevin | 04-25-2004 02:15 PM |
Grrrrrr!
Good point FatChanceTi about Rubens and the lack of a "car". MS is a GREAT driver but those moves he put on JPM on the first lap were horrible.
Good point FatChanceTi about Rubens and the lack of a "car". MS is a GREAT driver but those moves he put on JPM on the first lap were horrible.
| erich_sc | 04-25-2004 03:41 PM |
Meh, horrible is too strong of a word. Can you honestly say that JPM would not have done the exact same thing if he was in MS's position? They're racing on a near impossible track to pass on, what's he supposed to do... David Hobbes even said post race that he found it funny how JPM thought it was terrible for MS to put him into the grass at 40 mph, but okay to push Ralph out at 150 mph right after.
| TimStevens | 04-25-2004 03:51 PM |
There is a slight distinction. JPM was already most of the way over to the left of the track when RS tried to pass him on the left. You can see that JMP didn't make any correction, just kept his line. MS on the other hand visibly turned right into JPM. You can see him coming off the kerb, the car starts to head toward the center of the track, and he quickly turns right again toward JPM.
The result was the same, but IMHO MS's move was a little more malicious.
The result was the same, but IMHO MS's move was a little more malicious.
| gtguy | 04-25-2004 03:55 PM |
Did anyone see the press conference? Hilarious! Montoya essentially said, with M. Schumacher sitting right beside him, "You suck!" :lol:
What's even funnier is that right after Schumacher put Montoya in the grass, Montoya put his own teammate in the grass. One was a "racing incident," the other was "dirty." Schumacher was pretty thuggish, but there was quite a bit of blocking in that race. I think that Montoya was most annoyed because he, on a very light fuel load and super soft tires, wanted to get in front of Schumacher, then make his car really wide. Schumacher of course, knew this, and that the Williams wasn't as fast as the BAR, so there was, as Schumacher said in the press conference, "no way was I letting Montoya past me," or words to that effect.
Meanwhile, the race itself...
Now we know why M. Schumacher was sitting next to Button in the post-qualifying press conference, looking like the cat that swallowed the canary. Because he, barring an error, would have been faster than the BAR with more fuel. Plus, he knew that BAR were on the soft Michelins, while Ferrari were on the harder, more consistent Bridgestones. The result was what we saw. When it comes to race pace, nobody is as fast as Schumacher (note the exclusion of Barrichello) in this year's Ferrari.
I wonder now, if people will stop saying, "If only Barrichello had a chance, etc." There's just a talent gap.
Awesome job for Jenson Button, too. He keeps ascending the podium. A win can't be that far off for him. His early pace was impressive, but he was running 1:21s. When M. Schumacher got up to speed, he was running 1:20s. That's huge. Those few extra laps that Schumacher stayed out, essentially decided the race. But Button was just incredible all weekend. Not only are BAR the best of the rest, they're the best of the rest by a significant margin, it looked to me.
Alonso had a fine race. It looks like the Renault is coming along, power-wise, but is still off the mark. McLaren, on the other hand, have some substantive issues. That car just flat-out sucks. Toyota is another stone-cold bummer. I thought for sure that they would be better than they are this year. Ditto for Sauber, with current Ferrari power and gearbox, and the same Bridgestone rubber.
Williams looks like they have to catch BAR before they catch Ferrari. Ralf doesn't have the stuff, and Montoya has the stuff, but he doesn't have the car.
What can be said about M. Schumacher? Just like in 1994, he's winning the first four races of the year, and looks to be on target for the same type of dominant season as 1994, where he was suspended for four races, and still won the title. He is just so fast right now, the car is fast, the team is working great and they're reliable. The question is, will they lose a race?
Kevin
What's even funnier is that right after Schumacher put Montoya in the grass, Montoya put his own teammate in the grass. One was a "racing incident," the other was "dirty." Schumacher was pretty thuggish, but there was quite a bit of blocking in that race. I think that Montoya was most annoyed because he, on a very light fuel load and super soft tires, wanted to get in front of Schumacher, then make his car really wide. Schumacher of course, knew this, and that the Williams wasn't as fast as the BAR, so there was, as Schumacher said in the press conference, "no way was I letting Montoya past me," or words to that effect.
Meanwhile, the race itself...
Now we know why M. Schumacher was sitting next to Button in the post-qualifying press conference, looking like the cat that swallowed the canary. Because he, barring an error, would have been faster than the BAR with more fuel. Plus, he knew that BAR were on the soft Michelins, while Ferrari were on the harder, more consistent Bridgestones. The result was what we saw. When it comes to race pace, nobody is as fast as Schumacher (note the exclusion of Barrichello) in this year's Ferrari.
I wonder now, if people will stop saying, "If only Barrichello had a chance, etc." There's just a talent gap.
Awesome job for Jenson Button, too. He keeps ascending the podium. A win can't be that far off for him. His early pace was impressive, but he was running 1:21s. When M. Schumacher got up to speed, he was running 1:20s. That's huge. Those few extra laps that Schumacher stayed out, essentially decided the race. But Button was just incredible all weekend. Not only are BAR the best of the rest, they're the best of the rest by a significant margin, it looked to me.
Alonso had a fine race. It looks like the Renault is coming along, power-wise, but is still off the mark. McLaren, on the other hand, have some substantive issues. That car just flat-out sucks. Toyota is another stone-cold bummer. I thought for sure that they would be better than they are this year. Ditto for Sauber, with current Ferrari power and gearbox, and the same Bridgestone rubber.
Williams looks like they have to catch BAR before they catch Ferrari. Ralf doesn't have the stuff, and Montoya has the stuff, but he doesn't have the car.
What can be said about M. Schumacher? Just like in 1994, he's winning the first four races of the year, and looks to be on target for the same type of dominant season as 1994, where he was suspended for four races, and still won the title. He is just so fast right now, the car is fast, the team is working great and they're reliable. The question is, will they lose a race?
Kevin
| gtguy | 04-25-2004 04:08 PM |
Just watched the Schumacher/Montoya thing again. Montoya lined him up through the first two corners, drew up alongside Schumacher, then tried to turn in really hard from an outside pass, in effect trying to intimidate Schumacher into giving up the spot, even though he was off line for the next corner. Obviously, Schumacher was having none of it. Schumacher did indeed block Montoya, but I'm sure in his view, his move wasn't any worse than Montoya's initial turning into him.
I think this one will go as a racing incident, despite Montoya's whining. Schumacher's move wasn't any worse than Ralf's blocks of Barrichello later in that same race, or farther back in history, when Raikkonen put M. Schumacher onto the grass in Malaysia last season.
Kevin
I think this one will go as a racing incident, despite Montoya's whining. Schumacher's move wasn't any worse than Ralf's blocks of Barrichello later in that same race, or farther back in history, when Raikkonen put M. Schumacher onto the grass in Malaysia last season.
Kevin
| finnRex | 04-25-2004 04:19 PM |
Michael knows what to do to win, and today was a perfect example. Staying out and carving up a few blistering laps when Button went in for a pit was a good move.
The sad thing about this season is going to be the lack of competition. McLaren can't keep their stuff together(seized exhaust valve on Kimi's engine on Saturday), but they have the talent(in Kimi). Same goes for Williams. They got a great driver(JPM) who can rival Michael, when he is on his better days. BUT, when it comes to day in and day out reliability, it's the Michael show.
Mika(still predicting a long season)
The sad thing about this season is going to be the lack of competition. McLaren can't keep their stuff together(seized exhaust valve on Kimi's engine on Saturday), but they have the talent(in Kimi). Same goes for Williams. They got a great driver(JPM) who can rival Michael, when he is on his better days. BUT, when it comes to day in and day out reliability, it's the Michael show.
Mika(still predicting a long season)
| FatChanceTi | 04-25-2004 04:24 PM |
I don't think Schumacher did anything to Montoya that Montoya wouldn't have done to him if the roles were reversed. Look at the next straight - Juan nearly did the same to Ralf, moving him into the grass.
I actually love watching JPM and Schumi go at it. They both have the same killer instinct, and "I'm not backing down" attitude.
FCTi
I actually love watching JPM and Schumi go at it. They both have the same killer instinct, and "I'm not backing down" attitude.
FCTi
| gtguy | 04-25-2004 04:51 PM |
From the press conference...
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Montoya: No, no, no. He just hit me hard enough to put me in the grass. Bit disappointing, but I thought I was hard in there.
Q: And then a race up the hill with your team-mate Ralf Schumacher...
Montoya: Yeah, you know I came into the track and I saw him and I had to close the door and I closed the door and I had enough momentum just to keep in front of him.
[B]Or how about...[/B]
Q: (Andrea Cremoensi - La Gazzetta dello Sport): Juan Pablo, have you seen Ralf (laughter)?
Montoya: I did close the door you know. I don't have anything against what I did, but it was because of the first incident. I wasn't going to lose 10 positions. I don't have a problem with that, it is fine by me.
IMHO, we can chalk this one up to a racing incident, and resultant sour grapes. JPM was very cranky in the press conference, though. :lol:
Kevin
Q: And then a race up the hill with your team-mate Ralf Schumacher...
Montoya: Yeah, you know I came into the track and I saw him and I had to close the door and I closed the door and I had enough momentum just to keep in front of him.
[B]Or how about...[/B]
Q: (Andrea Cremoensi - La Gazzetta dello Sport): Juan Pablo, have you seen Ralf (laughter)?
Montoya: I did close the door you know. I don't have anything against what I did, but it was because of the first incident. I wasn't going to lose 10 positions. I don't have a problem with that, it is fine by me.
IMHO, we can chalk this one up to a racing incident, and resultant sour grapes. JPM was very cranky in the press conference, though. :lol:
Kevin
| artkevin | 04-25-2004 05:51 PM |
Here here gtguy, racing incdident it is. Its so frustrating to know that even if JPM could have gotten around the wide red car MS' pit technique and race pace were just out of this world. The way he got around Jenson and rode off into the sunset while JB was doing the same to JPM was so strange.
I give all the props in the world to Ferrari becuase they have worked to get were they are and they do not have that type of reliablity record for nothing.
I would like to see the rules handed out more fairly though. It would be good to see perminent stewarts that travel with the circus so that things like USGP don't happen in one race and are ignored in another.
I give all the props in the world to Ferrari becuase they have worked to get were they are and they do not have that type of reliablity record for nothing.
I would like to see the rules handed out more fairly though. It would be good to see perminent stewarts that travel with the circus so that things like USGP don't happen in one race and are ignored in another.
| BillT | 04-25-2004 07:50 PM |
While I appreciate his driving talent and the competitive fire that burns within him, I do get tired of JPM's whining in the press conferences. Enough already! Maybe it was a bit dirty, but as it was already posted, I don't think it would have been anything that he would have done to MS (or anyone else for that matter) if the roles were reversed. Even if he did get past MS, he could have enjoyed it until the first set of pitstops as his pace was well behind that of the red car.
As for the race, after the first pitstops, the battle for 1-2-3 was pretty much over, but at least we got some action with Ralf-Rubens-Alonso-Trulli battle towards the end of the race. It was nice to see Kimi finish a race!
As for the race, after the first pitstops, the battle for 1-2-3 was pretty much over, but at least we got some action with Ralf-Rubens-Alonso-Trulli battle towards the end of the race. It was nice to see Kimi finish a race!
| finnRex | 04-25-2004 11:08 PM |
It was nice to see Kimi finish a race, even though it was 8th place and 1 point. It's a start for him. Albeit a small step, it is a step ahead. Now if McLaren can put together a car good enough for Kimi to drive, it'd be interesting to see how he'd react to the rest of the season. As far as I'm concerned, this season is a lost cause for Kimi(and McLaren). But, it will interesting to see the upstart Jenson ruffle some feathers on the podium. I think he will win a race this season, as his time is coming.
Mika
Mika
| TimStevens | 04-26-2004 07:24 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BillT[/i]
[B] While I appreciate his driving talent and the competitive fire that burns within him, I do get tired of JPM's whining in the press conferences. [/B][/QUOTE]
I dunno... frankly I'm a little sick of the polished demeanor of drivers in the press conferences. I think it adds some life when the drivers speak their minds like this, even if their opinions are completely untrue.
[B] While I appreciate his driving talent and the competitive fire that burns within him, I do get tired of JPM's whining in the press conferences. [/B][/QUOTE]
I dunno... frankly I'm a little sick of the polished demeanor of drivers in the press conferences. I think it adds some life when the drivers speak their minds like this, even if their opinions are completely untrue.
| grandpa rex | 04-26-2004 07:40 AM |
Tim, I agree with you on your last comment. I don't really miss Jacques Villeneuve as a driver, but I do miss his honest answers.
During the promo deal that JPM and Jeff Gordon did for the F1 race in Indy last year (Trading Paint), I thought his answers were very straight and insightful. He really tells you what he's thinking, and doesn't run everything pass his PR agent first.
As to the incident with MS. It was an aggressive move on JPM's part and an equally aggresive move on Michael's part to defend. Just a racing deal.
Didn't watch the press conference, but while I appreciate his speaking his mind, it looks like he came off as a whiner.
During the promo deal that JPM and Jeff Gordon did for the F1 race in Indy last year (Trading Paint), I thought his answers were very straight and insightful. He really tells you what he's thinking, and doesn't run everything pass his PR agent first.
As to the incident with MS. It was an aggressive move on JPM's part and an equally aggresive move on Michael's part to defend. Just a racing deal.
Didn't watch the press conference, but while I appreciate his speaking his mind, it looks like he came off as a whiner.
| johnfelstead | 04-26-2004 07:58 AM |
i thought Michael was on the absolute limit of what was allowable if not over that limit, JPM had his wheels in line with MS's mid that corner, so he should have allowed JPM enough room to stay on track. MS did the exact same thing to Damon Hill at Spa some years back and it was not really what you want to see a top racing driver do IMHO.
It's similar to what Ralf did with Sato in malasia, just took the racing line when he should have given room, the diference is JPM was on the outside, so any barging was going to see JPM knocked off rather than a spin as happened to Ralf.
The press conference had me laughing, you can see MS holding back a giggle when JPM is complaining, it's very funny. I think its very clever the way MS is treating Button post race too, he is being very budy like which is a clever way of setting Button up for a kicking when he really needs to later in the season. Dont fall for it Jenson! :D
I think Jenson is going to win spain, they blitzed everyone in testing there over a sustained period, thats definately his best chance of the season IMHO.
It's similar to what Ralf did with Sato in malasia, just took the racing line when he should have given room, the diference is JPM was on the outside, so any barging was going to see JPM knocked off rather than a spin as happened to Ralf.
The press conference had me laughing, you can see MS holding back a giggle when JPM is complaining, it's very funny. I think its very clever the way MS is treating Button post race too, he is being very budy like which is a clever way of setting Button up for a kicking when he really needs to later in the season. Dont fall for it Jenson! :D
I think Jenson is going to win spain, they blitzed everyone in testing there over a sustained period, thats definately his best chance of the season IMHO.
| Dr. WOT | 04-26-2004 10:08 AM |
The one comment I'd like to add about JPM's move on Schumacher is I can't recall a single competitive pass (ie, not on a back marker) on the outside of Tosa in more than 15 years of watches racing at Imola, so I pretty much have to conclude that JPM when for a hole that simply was not there. He did well to make it look feasible, but Schumacher took the normal line out of the corner, and JPM found himself in the way.
It was a tough move by MS but JPM has been making the desperate passing attempts on MS since he arrived in F1 (outbreaking them both off the track in Austria '01 comes to mind), it is high time he got his comeuppance for these absurd lunges.
... and the whining, for the love of god, the whining, it has to stop!!!! He is actually quite delusional, JPM: "Look at Indianapolis last year - there I was given a drive- through and that cost me the championship. I would be champion now - and he gets away with it. The rules are not fair. They should be for Ferrari and everyone else." ( [url]http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/040425205015.shtml[/url] )
Excuse me? You'd be champion now? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It was a tough move by MS but JPM has been making the desperate passing attempts on MS since he arrived in F1 (outbreaking them both off the track in Austria '01 comes to mind), it is high time he got his comeuppance for these absurd lunges.
... and the whining, for the love of god, the whining, it has to stop!!!! He is actually quite delusional, JPM: "Look at Indianapolis last year - there I was given a drive- through and that cost me the championship. I would be champion now - and he gets away with it. The rules are not fair. They should be for Ferrari and everyone else." ( [url]http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/040425205015.shtml[/url] )
Excuse me? You'd be champion now? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
| johnfelstead | 04-26-2004 10:26 AM |
Top drivers are delusional, it's a requirement to do the job. :D Imagine if they werent, they may as well not bother starting the race against MS and Ferrari as they are just mindblowingly fast right now.
I recall JV passing shuey round the outside of a corner that had never been done before when he first came from CART and what about Mansell passing Berger in Mexico round the outside, big balls stuff, it's good to see drivers taking risks like that.
If you watch the footage you can see how he ended up where he was as MS was offline in the previous corner so MS too was badly placed at the time JPM was alongside him, there was enough room to get both through that corner, MS just didnt want to let it happen.
I recall JV passing shuey round the outside of a corner that had never been done before when he first came from CART and what about Mansell passing Berger in Mexico round the outside, big balls stuff, it's good to see drivers taking risks like that.
If you watch the footage you can see how he ended up where he was as MS was offline in the previous corner so MS too was badly placed at the time JPM was alongside him, there was enough room to get both through that corner, MS just didnt want to let it happen.
| erich_sc | 04-26-2004 10:40 AM |
Don't the rules say that you have to leave enough room through the corner on the inside, but fail to say anything about the outside? I think Michael just knows the rules well and drives to their limits when it comes down to it.
| johnfelstead | 04-26-2004 10:52 AM |
i cant see that being the case, but who knows with the FIA these days. :lol:
| Dr. WOT | 04-26-2004 01:07 PM |
For the record I don't mind JPM trying a move, but to be hypocritical about it doesn't inspire much sympathy from me. JPM has done more than his share of forcing cars on the grass... his move against his own teammate coming out of Tosa wasn't much different than what MS did to him, yet that is just fine??? :huh:
Another example (pointed out on AtlasF1) was JPM's pass on Button in Melbourne this year. JB took it like a man, shame JPM can't do the same.
Another example (pointed out on AtlasF1) was JPM's pass on Button in Melbourne this year. JB took it like a man, shame JPM can't do the same.
| gtguy | 04-26-2004 01:25 PM |
Even Frank Williams said that it wasn't all M. Schumacher's fault, that "Whine" Pablo was rather optimistic, trying to pass a driver universally acknowledged to give absolutely no quarter, around the outside at Tosa. :lol:
Kevin
Kevin
| johnfelstead | 04-26-2004 01:30 PM |
i wouldnt listen to what patric head or frank williams say right now, it's obvious to me they want shut of Ralf and want to wind JPM up.
| dorikin | 04-26-2004 09:23 PM |
my favourite quote of the post race conference:
Q: (Olaf Bachmann � Koelner Stadt Anzeiger): Juan, can you explain your gesture on the last lap to Michael?
JPM: I just said �what happened, what were you thinking�. That�s all.
MS: I thought you were congratulating me.
JPM: I never do actually.
Q: (Olaf Bachmann � Koelner Stadt Anzeiger): Juan, can you explain your gesture on the last lap to Michael?
JPM: I just said �what happened, what were you thinking�. That�s all.
MS: I thought you were congratulating me.
JPM: I never do actually.
| gtguy | 04-26-2004 10:32 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]i wouldnt listen to what patric head or frank williams say right now, it's obvious to me they want shut of Ralf and want to wind JPM up. [/B][/QUOTE]
True, but even the press, in some cases notoriously anti-Schumacher press, is saying that Montoya was a wide-eyed optimist for trying that one. There might have been drivers who let him do it. He just happened to run into the one guy who is more of a thug than he is. :lol:
Whiting watched the replay and made the right call. Life goes on.
The real question is, when will Button win his first race?
Kevin
[B]i wouldnt listen to what patric head or frank williams say right now, it's obvious to me they want shut of Ralf and want to wind JPM up. [/B][/QUOTE]
True, but even the press, in some cases notoriously anti-Schumacher press, is saying that Montoya was a wide-eyed optimist for trying that one. There might have been drivers who let him do it. He just happened to run into the one guy who is more of a thug than he is. :lol:
Whiting watched the replay and made the right call. Life goes on.
The real question is, when will Button win his first race?
Kevin
| driggity | 04-27-2004 12:47 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy[/i]
[B]The real question is, when will Button win his first race?
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
When Michael's car breaks.
[B]The real question is, when will Button win his first race?
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
When Michael's car breaks.
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