| Jon Bogert | 12-16-2004 04:41 PM |
Having fun with NASCAR fans
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I found this today in an article posted on a thatsracin.com. We have got to stop this change before its too late and they ruin our great sport of NASCAR!!!!
"We have alot to fear from the Sprint-Nextel merger deal. Brian France is not letting fans know but people inside the office (such as myself) have been hearing the stories all week. As it turns out, the head of Sprint, Gary Forsee is actually Italian and he's a BIG FAN of Forumula-1 racing. The stories around NASCAR HQ are that if Sprint takes over the cup we are in for BIG CHANGES in our sport. Mr Forsee was discussing with Brian France about how he wanted MORE CURVES, including RIGHT TURNS in all NASCAR races (including NASTRUCK!). Worst of all he wants us to use HYDROGEN to power the cars. No self-respecting American would drive with some hippy fuel in the tank!!! We cannot let the Europeans pollute our pure American sport!"
I encourage all TRUE NASCAR fans to write to Mr France and Mr Forsee to let them know what they think about these changes!
HERE IS WHERE YOU CAN GO TO COMPLAIN:
[email][email�protected][/email] - Sprint
[email][email�protected][/email] - NASCAR"
"We have alot to fear from the Sprint-Nextel merger deal. Brian France is not letting fans know but people inside the office (such as myself) have been hearing the stories all week. As it turns out, the head of Sprint, Gary Forsee is actually Italian and he's a BIG FAN of Forumula-1 racing. The stories around NASCAR HQ are that if Sprint takes over the cup we are in for BIG CHANGES in our sport. Mr Forsee was discussing with Brian France about how he wanted MORE CURVES, including RIGHT TURNS in all NASCAR races (including NASTRUCK!). Worst of all he wants us to use HYDROGEN to power the cars. No self-respecting American would drive with some hippy fuel in the tank!!! We cannot let the Europeans pollute our pure American sport!"
I encourage all TRUE NASCAR fans to write to Mr France and Mr Forsee to let them know what they think about these changes!
HERE IS WHERE YOU CAN GO TO COMPLAIN:
[email][email�protected][/email] - Sprint
[email][email�protected][/email] - NASCAR"
| probably | 12-16-2004 04:49 PM |
i'll write them and pat them on the back
nascar is lame-o
nascar is lame-o
| Osgood30 | 12-16-2004 04:55 PM |
Of my god! Right turns!!?? Italians!!! The Reds are comming!!! :eek:
White Power!
btw, where did you see tha? I can't find it. Is this a joke?
White Power!
btw, where did you see tha? I can't find it. Is this a joke?
| dorrington | 12-16-2004 05:05 PM |
that would be awesome...'bout time NASCAR came around
not too sure about the hydrogen thing...itd be interesting to see some kind of alternative fueled motorsport..but NASCAR? I dont think that would fly. Fuel injection might be a logical technoligical hurdle for them.
I was stoked when toyota put a truck in...it could change the world as we know it (or maybe just NASCAR, who knows)
not too sure about the hydrogen thing...itd be interesting to see some kind of alternative fueled motorsport..but NASCAR? I dont think that would fly. Fuel injection might be a logical technoligical hurdle for them.
I was stoked when toyota put a truck in...it could change the world as we know it (or maybe just NASCAR, who knows)
| artkevin | 12-16-2004 05:36 PM |
That has to be a joke!
| DJ_STI | 12-16-2004 05:43 PM |
battery powered motorsport!
| ratt_finkel | 12-16-2004 05:53 PM |
[QUOTE=dorrington] Fuel injection might be a logical technoligical hurdle for them.
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It's not even a hurdle. I still can't understand why they use carburators.
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It's not even a hurdle. I still can't understand why they use carburators.
| zoomfactor | 12-16-2004 05:53 PM |
I would become a true NASCAR fan if they give up ovals and run only road courses:) Sort of likle the carnage -- erm spectacle -- of the Australian Supercar Series. :devil:
| WickedSTI | 12-16-2004 06:26 PM |
NASCAR with right turns thats got to be the most BS i have seen.Or am i not seeing this right?Are you saying more road race dates?Brad
| nate49509 | 12-16-2004 06:31 PM |
I just want to put my vote in that NASCAR sucks. How can people watch four hours of that crap. :confused:
| WickedSTI | 12-16-2004 06:47 PM |
Let me say i am a NASCAR fan but i like many motersports NHRA F1 WRC and more.Do people think it is that ez to drive a cup car?I mean i see people say on here all the time its boaring ez ect.I know what i would pay to see is anyone that thanks a cup car or any thing that races on a speedway is ez give Mr Gary Forsee a ride it would do you both some good.If i sound like im a ass over this i guess couse i am in the south and i know people that race bush and trucks.Hell we race karts ever weekend on dirt yes around and around i guess thats ez also right. :furious: .I guess all i can say is go to a race and see for your self and maybe you will support it.I mean i stay up to watch and wake up earley to see F1 and WRC like a lot of yall but i to support any and all raceing i can that i can drive to on a weekend.Brad
| Opie | 12-16-2004 06:51 PM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]It's not even a hurdle. I still can't understand why they use carburators.[/QUOTE]
It's not a hurdle, carburators are easier to regulate for compliance to the ruleset and are cheaper than fuel injection for the race teams to use.
It's not a hurdle, carburators are easier to regulate for compliance to the ruleset and are cheaper than fuel injection for the race teams to use.
| BHawk | 12-16-2004 06:55 PM |
God I wish it was true. I have been hoping someone would fix Nascar for a long time! Yeah!
| jslegacy | 12-16-2004 07:27 PM |
[QUOTE=WickedSTI]I guess all i can say is go to a race and see for your self and maybe you will support it.[/QUOTE]
I thought the same thing, go to a race its all about environment you know. . . .
That was one of the longest nights, Sept. 11 Richmond night race this year, of my life. I will NEVER consider going to a nascar again. AND the tickets were free at that, on a turn on the first row.
I thought the same thing, go to a race its all about environment you know. . . .
That was one of the longest nights, Sept. 11 Richmond night race this year, of my life. I will NEVER consider going to a nascar again. AND the tickets were free at that, on a turn on the first row.
| artkevin | 12-16-2004 07:44 PM |
[QUOTE=WickedSTI]Let me say i am a NASCAR fan but i like many motersports NHRA F1 WRC and more.Do people think it is that ez to drive a cup car?I mean i see people say on here all the time its boaring ez ect.I know what i would pay to see is anyone that thanks a cup car or any thing that races on a speedway is ez give Mr Gary Forsee a ride it would do you both some good.If i sound like im a ass over this i guess couse i am in the south and i know people that race bush and trucks.Hell we race karts ever weekend on dirt yes around and around i guess thats ez also right. :furious: .I guess all i can say is go to a race and see for your self and maybe you will support it.I mean i stay up to watch and wake up earley to see F1 and WRC like a lot of yall but i to support any and all raceing i can that i can drive to on a weekend.Brad[/QUOTE]
Ill bite.
I think we should put up a poll but this time have another catergory.
1. I think NASCAR blows!
2. I love NASCAR in all its glory
3. I respect NASCAR for the fact that the drivers and teams are all highly skilled at the type of racing the chose to do but I couldn't watch a race if you paid me.
I would fall into catergory 3. I like the guys and respect them but oval racing in general puts me to sleep. I turn into one of those people that most racers can't stand, I am waiting for a wreck.
My $0.02
Kevin
Ill bite.
I think we should put up a poll but this time have another catergory.
1. I think NASCAR blows!
2. I love NASCAR in all its glory
3. I respect NASCAR for the fact that the drivers and teams are all highly skilled at the type of racing the chose to do but I couldn't watch a race if you paid me.
I would fall into catergory 3. I like the guys and respect them but oval racing in general puts me to sleep. I turn into one of those people that most racers can't stand, I am waiting for a wreck.
My $0.02
Kevin
| deuce.five | 12-16-2004 08:23 PM |
I highly doubt the carburetors they use are any cheaper than FI. They put hundreds of hours into their carbs, it's not like they're "off the shelf." There was a discussion on Speed Channel the other day with a few very important people, including the head of GM's Motorsport program. It was agreed that NASCAR better change some things, because the automakers aren't seeing a very good return out of their investment. In the past, they would "win on Sunday, sell on Monday", but tell me where I can find a V8 RWD Taurus, the public isn't stupid, a NASCAR has nothing to do with the cars that the automakers are trying to sell.
Another program, on the same channel that speaks with crew-chiefs, they agreed that NASCAR should either schedule more road tracks, or abandon them all together, because with only one or two road courses a year, it isn't worth testing for them.
I think NASCAR is sending mixed messages anyway. They wanted to get away from the tobacco industry, but just okayed the hard-alcohol sponsors :huh:
NASCAR grew too fast in the '90's and it's bound to catch up with them, it's becoming out-of-touch with the people that they're trying to reach. I think it would be better to go back to "the roots", a production-based car/chassis would help the automakers (read: sponsors).
Look at WRC, would it be near as cool as it is if they had a spec-built, tube framed car, and just hung whatever fiberglass body on them? NASCAR, in the 60's and 70's started with a REAL CAR, and highly modified it from there, they have forgotten their roots.
I think SCCA has the right idea, and the public is going to start looking/liking the fact that most of the cars are something that a person could acquire.
The automakers are already looking at the cost/return of their racing efferts, and questioning them, Jaguar is pulling out of F1, Chevrolet is pulling out of Indycar, Peugot/Citroen, is pulling out of WRC. It's just a matter of time before it bites NASCAR where it hurts.
Another program, on the same channel that speaks with crew-chiefs, they agreed that NASCAR should either schedule more road tracks, or abandon them all together, because with only one or two road courses a year, it isn't worth testing for them.
I think NASCAR is sending mixed messages anyway. They wanted to get away from the tobacco industry, but just okayed the hard-alcohol sponsors :huh:
NASCAR grew too fast in the '90's and it's bound to catch up with them, it's becoming out-of-touch with the people that they're trying to reach. I think it would be better to go back to "the roots", a production-based car/chassis would help the automakers (read: sponsors).
Look at WRC, would it be near as cool as it is if they had a spec-built, tube framed car, and just hung whatever fiberglass body on them? NASCAR, in the 60's and 70's started with a REAL CAR, and highly modified it from there, they have forgotten their roots.
I think SCCA has the right idea, and the public is going to start looking/liking the fact that most of the cars are something that a person could acquire.
The automakers are already looking at the cost/return of their racing efferts, and questioning them, Jaguar is pulling out of F1, Chevrolet is pulling out of Indycar, Peugot/Citroen, is pulling out of WRC. It's just a matter of time before it bites NASCAR where it hurts.
| Akina | 12-16-2004 10:32 PM |
Then what will king of the hill make fun of?
| SCoach | 12-16-2004 11:13 PM |
Guys, I know this might make me sound like a NASCAR fan, but really, I', not. I just like racin'! :)
I think some of you are really painting NASCAR and it's drivers in a pretty poor light, and rather unfairly at that. While there are certainly a large number of drivers in NASCAR who can barely manage to turn a car to the right, a number of drivers are VERY VERY good dirvers *period*.
When the NASCAR boys head to Sears Point, which is a challenging course for any driver, those with road racing experience come to the fore. Guys like old Ernie Irvan, and current top hot shoes like Jeff Gordon and Dale Earnhardt look pretty good.
While you're laughing at those guys running around the track turning left, keep in mind a few things about the car. The first, is that it weighs 3400 pounds MINIMUM spec. That's heavier than your WRX or STi. Around daytona and talledega, those 3400 pounds are hitting north of 200 mph. The motors are 358 cubic inches. They are getting about 750hp out of that motor. That Holley 5150 is bought off the shelf (in a matter of speaking) and only certain mods can be made to it. Often times a restrictor plate is underneath it. So lets see, a 358 cube motor, 750hp, no turbo or supercharger, no fuel injection of computers, with common spark plugs, distributor, and plug wires. No fancy braking systems either. Just basic rotors and 4 or 6 pot wilwoods, alcons, or Baers.
The drivers are often in the cars for over 4 hours. No roofvents. Unlike Rally, they race side by side for that length of time. They do not get top tire technology like the F1 guys do. They all have to run the SAME rubber. No pressure of competition here, Goodyear provides the rubber and everyone lives and dies by it. There is no telemetry to tell you that your cylinder is getting weak, or your tires are getting low.
I gotta be honest with you, if the average racer from WRC or F1 had to muscle those beasts around a track for 3-5 hours straight, they'd have new found respect. And it's why guys like Dale E. race the 24 hours of Daytona in the GT class (racing a Z06). Other racers also race open wheel or GT or prototype cars.
Now all that said, I LOVE the LeMans series racing. That's my personal favorite. I also enjoy Rally and F1 both of which I've only really started watching in the last few years. I hadn't watch F1 since I watched Senna race. There is good and bad out there in all forms of motorsport, and they all have their challenges. The NASCAR guys work very hard to be good at what they do, and it's not easy. Living with someone nailing your bumper at 180 mph takes a set of HUGE ones. In most forms of racing it's illegal. It's encouraged in NASCAR. I think that is what drew me to it in the first place some years ago. It's someting most people who like go-karts should appreciate. And I *KNOW* you guys like karts!
Thanks for letting me rant.
I think some of you are really painting NASCAR and it's drivers in a pretty poor light, and rather unfairly at that. While there are certainly a large number of drivers in NASCAR who can barely manage to turn a car to the right, a number of drivers are VERY VERY good dirvers *period*.
When the NASCAR boys head to Sears Point, which is a challenging course for any driver, those with road racing experience come to the fore. Guys like old Ernie Irvan, and current top hot shoes like Jeff Gordon and Dale Earnhardt look pretty good.
While you're laughing at those guys running around the track turning left, keep in mind a few things about the car. The first, is that it weighs 3400 pounds MINIMUM spec. That's heavier than your WRX or STi. Around daytona and talledega, those 3400 pounds are hitting north of 200 mph. The motors are 358 cubic inches. They are getting about 750hp out of that motor. That Holley 5150 is bought off the shelf (in a matter of speaking) and only certain mods can be made to it. Often times a restrictor plate is underneath it. So lets see, a 358 cube motor, 750hp, no turbo or supercharger, no fuel injection of computers, with common spark plugs, distributor, and plug wires. No fancy braking systems either. Just basic rotors and 4 or 6 pot wilwoods, alcons, or Baers.
The drivers are often in the cars for over 4 hours. No roofvents. Unlike Rally, they race side by side for that length of time. They do not get top tire technology like the F1 guys do. They all have to run the SAME rubber. No pressure of competition here, Goodyear provides the rubber and everyone lives and dies by it. There is no telemetry to tell you that your cylinder is getting weak, or your tires are getting low.
I gotta be honest with you, if the average racer from WRC or F1 had to muscle those beasts around a track for 3-5 hours straight, they'd have new found respect. And it's why guys like Dale E. race the 24 hours of Daytona in the GT class (racing a Z06). Other racers also race open wheel or GT or prototype cars.
Now all that said, I LOVE the LeMans series racing. That's my personal favorite. I also enjoy Rally and F1 both of which I've only really started watching in the last few years. I hadn't watch F1 since I watched Senna race. There is good and bad out there in all forms of motorsport, and they all have their challenges. The NASCAR guys work very hard to be good at what they do, and it's not easy. Living with someone nailing your bumper at 180 mph takes a set of HUGE ones. In most forms of racing it's illegal. It's encouraged in NASCAR. I think that is what drew me to it in the first place some years ago. It's someting most people who like go-karts should appreciate. And I *KNOW* you guys like karts!
Thanks for letting me rant.
| Bonzo | 12-16-2004 11:50 PM |
^^^^
werd
restrictor tracks are all about strategy and efficiency.
The tracks that get major attn from the dirvers are Atlanta, Texas and Charlotte. Close to a 200mph average on a 1.5 mile track is freekin fast. Atlanta of all of them takes huge balls and talent to go fast. *period*
I also agree they do not do much carb development. Too many rules restricing it. HP development is spent on cams, ports and intake. From and engineering standpoint the carb is a wonderfully simple component that does an amazing amount of tasks, all mechanically and tunable by anyone anywhere.
I also will not agrue that the races are long. But Nascar at the same time sells product. Time is money to sponsors, which Nascar has in spades.
I have trouble sitting thru any racing on TV. I will take playing for real over watching any day.
:)
werd
restrictor tracks are all about strategy and efficiency.
The tracks that get major attn from the dirvers are Atlanta, Texas and Charlotte. Close to a 200mph average on a 1.5 mile track is freekin fast. Atlanta of all of them takes huge balls and talent to go fast. *period*
I also agree they do not do much carb development. Too many rules restricing it. HP development is spent on cams, ports and intake. From and engineering standpoint the carb is a wonderfully simple component that does an amazing amount of tasks, all mechanically and tunable by anyone anywhere.
I also will not agrue that the races are long. But Nascar at the same time sells product. Time is money to sponsors, which Nascar has in spades.
I have trouble sitting thru any racing on TV. I will take playing for real over watching any day.
:)
| 970subaru | 12-16-2004 11:59 PM |
the only cool aspect of circle track racing is anything on dirt. sprint cars are insane. they spend the majority of time sideways and the cars are really twitchy, high power/weight, etc. and have any of you seen the slip angles they can achieve? the steering stops must be at like 60 deg. or something. solid front axles should be the future of drifting. :alien: not to mention the amount of contact in most dirt track races. dirt track racing is the roots of car motorsports wether we like it or not, so for that at least I think it deserves some respect.
going 200mph in circles on asphalt is mind numbing tho. I'd love to talk to a fan of this form of racing sometime and ask em why they like it. genuinely curious. :confused:
going 200mph in circles on asphalt is mind numbing tho. I'd love to talk to a fan of this form of racing sometime and ask em why they like it. genuinely curious. :confused:
| SCoach | 12-17-2004 12:36 AM |
I am in a NASCAR haven... and I've spoken to many NASCAR fans. To be honest, I think it's more "driver" drivin than car driven. Very few NASCAR fans I've met are car people. The car guys tend to be more into drag than oval-track racing. And Nascar doesn't race circles... that's different. It's like WRC and TSD. Similar, but different.
I agree that it's mind numbing to watch because of the lack of variety. I am sure its more fun to drive than to watch. I am also with you on that dirt track stuff. Those fools are CRAZY. But only slightly less crazy than the mower racers! :)
I agree that it's mind numbing to watch because of the lack of variety. I am sure its more fun to drive than to watch. I am also with you on that dirt track stuff. Those fools are CRAZY. But only slightly less crazy than the mower racers! :)
| Borti | 12-17-2004 12:59 AM |
[QUOTE=dorrington]that would be awesome...'bout time NASCAR came around
not too sure about the hydrogen thing...itd be interesting to see some kind of alternative fueled motorsport..but NASCAR? I dont think that would fly. Fuel injection might be a logical technoligical hurdle for them.
I was stoked when toyota put a truck in...it could change the world as we know it (or maybe just NASCAR, who knows)[/QUOTE]
Jimmy Spencer, NASCAR driver extraordinaire had some interesting things to say about Toyota entering NASCAR.
BTW the only reason I know who he is, is because it got a lot of press.
not too sure about the hydrogen thing...itd be interesting to see some kind of alternative fueled motorsport..but NASCAR? I dont think that would fly. Fuel injection might be a logical technoligical hurdle for them.
I was stoked when toyota put a truck in...it could change the world as we know it (or maybe just NASCAR, who knows)[/QUOTE]
Jimmy Spencer, NASCAR driver extraordinaire had some interesting things to say about Toyota entering NASCAR.
BTW the only reason I know who he is, is because it got a lot of press.
| 970subaru | 12-17-2004 01:25 AM |
[QUOTE=Borti]Jimmy Spencer, NASCAR driver extraordinaire had some interesting things to say about Toyota entering NASCAR.
BTW the only reason I know who he is, is because it got a lot of press.[/QUOTE]
what was it? got a link?
BTW the only reason I know who he is, is because it got a lot of press.[/QUOTE]
what was it? got a link?
| Borti | 12-17-2004 03:05 AM |
here's a few:
[URL=http://espn.go.com/rpm/wc/2004/0201/1725029.html]teh 1[/URL]
[URL=http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61977-2004Jan29?language=printer]teh 2[/URL]
the second one has a more in context quote.
[URL=http://espn.go.com/rpm/wc/2004/0201/1725029.html]teh 1[/URL]
[URL=http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61977-2004Jan29?language=printer]teh 2[/URL]
the second one has a more in context quote.
| finnRex | 12-17-2004 08:02 AM |
Hey, how about that. White trash in Pennsylvania...guess they're not only in the south:rolleyes:.
"Spencer, 46, a native of Berwick, Pa., "...."According to the San Antonio Express-News, Spencer replied: "Those sons of b#^%^&$ bombed Pearl Harbor, don't forget."
Yup, the country's gonna move ahead with brilliance like that...
Borti, thanks for the links..
Mika
"Spencer, 46, a native of Berwick, Pa., "...."According to the San Antonio Express-News, Spencer replied: "Those sons of b#^%^&$ bombed Pearl Harbor, don't forget."
Yup, the country's gonna move ahead with brilliance like that...
Borti, thanks for the links..
Mika
| wrrrx | 12-17-2004 09:21 AM |
Yeah, what a [I]tool[/I]!
God knows what he'd say if [B]Daimler-Chrysler[/B] entered some vehicles in NACRAP!?!
Oh... uhhhh.... waittaminnit... :p :lol:
Russ R
God knows what he'd say if [B]Daimler-Chrysler[/B] entered some vehicles in NACRAP!?!
Oh... uhhhh.... waittaminnit... :p :lol:
Russ R
| fireball_jones | 12-17-2004 09:23 AM |
NASCAR is impressive, in some sense, but wheel to wheel road racing is much more impressive. I mean, the LeMans races are faster, longer, and the turns go both ways (and usually aren't banked).
That said, if NASCAR were more like Daytona USA, I'd watch it all the time.
That said, if NASCAR were more like Daytona USA, I'd watch it all the time.
| joey1313 | 12-17-2004 09:33 AM |
Why does everyone with an import bash NASCAR and its fans? I don't understand the mentality of people who have to crap on something they don't like. I don't like tennis, but don't think tennis players and their fans are idiots/aholes/etc because I don't enjoy it. I don't enjoy watching a NASCAR race anymore than I like watching a tennis match, but I have no need to belittle those who do enjoy it.
| runnah | 12-17-2004 09:46 AM |
[QUOTE=joey1313]Why does everyone with an import bash NASCAR and its fans?[/QUOTE]
Jealous of the coverage NASCAR gets?
Face it, NASCAR is popular because of the coverage and sponsorship dollars. From a technical standpoint NASCAR its 10x easier to shoot for TV, then say LeMans. Plus its easier for the average american (see:dumb) to grasp the point system and keep up with the races.
As far a car tech goes, people have more of an emotional reason for keeping american only cars (before toyota) and carburators. They say its for the spirit of the sport etc...blah blah blah.
Jealous of the coverage NASCAR gets?
Face it, NASCAR is popular because of the coverage and sponsorship dollars. From a technical standpoint NASCAR its 10x easier to shoot for TV, then say LeMans. Plus its easier for the average american (see:dumb) to grasp the point system and keep up with the races.
As far a car tech goes, people have more of an emotional reason for keeping american only cars (before toyota) and carburators. They say its for the spirit of the sport etc...blah blah blah.
| WRX-ECE | 12-17-2004 09:48 AM |
[QUOTE=finnRex]Hey, how about that. White trash in Pennsylvania...guess they're not only in the south:rolleyes:.
"Spencer, 46, a native of Berwick, Pa., "...."According to the San Antonio Express-News, Spencer replied: "Those sons of b#^%^&$ bombed Pearl Harbor, don't forget."
Yup, the country's gonna move ahead with brilliance like that...
Borti, thanks for the links..
Mika[/QUOTE]
Between Philly and Pittsburg lie an often under appreciated part of my great state, Pennsyl-tuky.
"Spencer, 46, a native of Berwick, Pa., "...."According to the San Antonio Express-News, Spencer replied: "Those sons of b#^%^&$ bombed Pearl Harbor, don't forget."
Yup, the country's gonna move ahead with brilliance like that...
Borti, thanks for the links..
Mika[/QUOTE]
Between Philly and Pittsburg lie an often under appreciated part of my great state, Pennsyl-tuky.
| artkevin | 12-17-2004 09:48 AM |
[QUOTE=joey1313]Why does everyone with an import bash NASCAR and its fans? I don't understand the mentality of people who have to crap on something they don't like. I don't like tennis, but don't think tennis players and their fans are idiots/aholes/etc because I don't enjoy it. I don't enjoy watching a NASCAR race anymore than I like watching a tennis match, but I have no need to belittle those who do enjoy it.[/QUOTE]
We are over run with NASCAR unlike tennis. I also think that if you go back, not too many us are bashing NASCAR, we are simply saying we don't like it. Well at least I'm not. This board is here for "like minded" people. I can assume that we all enjoy WRC at least and then ALMS, F1 and SCCA and the sort. I guess living Texas all I hear about is NASCAR and drag racing. I get nothing from these two sports. More power to the people that do like them but it is so frustraing to see a sport that I see as kind of contrieved to do so well in the mass media.
Kevin
We are over run with NASCAR unlike tennis. I also think that if you go back, not too many us are bashing NASCAR, we are simply saying we don't like it. Well at least I'm not. This board is here for "like minded" people. I can assume that we all enjoy WRC at least and then ALMS, F1 and SCCA and the sort. I guess living Texas all I hear about is NASCAR and drag racing. I get nothing from these two sports. More power to the people that do like them but it is so frustraing to see a sport that I see as kind of contrieved to do so well in the mass media.
Kevin
| hillman | 12-17-2004 03:52 PM |
[quote]
When the NASCAR boys head to Sears Point, which is a challenging course for any driver, those with road racing experience come to the fore. Guys like old Ernie Irvan, and current top hot shoes like Jeff Gordon and Dale Earnhardt look pretty good.
[/quote]
<equal time>They also have to beat Ron Fellow's ( or insert other road-course specialist here ) car into the ground, and hope it doesn't make the finish, because otherwise, he'd the lap the field.
</equal time>
I'm not saying the NASCAR regulars aren't good drivers, but they do not test nor practice on road courses, and some of them have done nothing but turn left their entire career. They probably could be good road course drivers, but the fact is, they are not, for most part. Competent, yes, but not good. Watch them. The Sears Point and Watkins Glen races are very entertaining, but these guys don't hit their marks nearly has often as the hit each other.
Earnhardt Junior runs the Corvette because Chevy spends millions on the Corvette program and is trying to increase the exposure. With 50 million NASCAR fans who want to know the color of the **** their favorite driver took this morning, they are a useful tool for advertising other programs.
Personally, I have a hard time figuring why anyone watches any sort of racing regularly, instead of getting out and racing themself... but if you are going to watch racing, the appeal of circles mystifies me. And, that said, some of the racing I do is very close to oval racing ( track varies, but often has barely one right turn ). Racing in a circle is still fun and challenging... but not as much as turning both ways. And the reason is very simple, with turns in both directions, drivers have twice as many ways to setup and execute passes, which makes for far more interesting action.
When the NASCAR boys head to Sears Point, which is a challenging course for any driver, those with road racing experience come to the fore. Guys like old Ernie Irvan, and current top hot shoes like Jeff Gordon and Dale Earnhardt look pretty good.
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<equal time>They also have to beat Ron Fellow's ( or insert other road-course specialist here ) car into the ground, and hope it doesn't make the finish, because otherwise, he'd the lap the field.
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I'm not saying the NASCAR regulars aren't good drivers, but they do not test nor practice on road courses, and some of them have done nothing but turn left their entire career. They probably could be good road course drivers, but the fact is, they are not, for most part. Competent, yes, but not good. Watch them. The Sears Point and Watkins Glen races are very entertaining, but these guys don't hit their marks nearly has often as the hit each other.
Earnhardt Junior runs the Corvette because Chevy spends millions on the Corvette program and is trying to increase the exposure. With 50 million NASCAR fans who want to know the color of the **** their favorite driver took this morning, they are a useful tool for advertising other programs.
Personally, I have a hard time figuring why anyone watches any sort of racing regularly, instead of getting out and racing themself... but if you are going to watch racing, the appeal of circles mystifies me. And, that said, some of the racing I do is very close to oval racing ( track varies, but often has barely one right turn ). Racing in a circle is still fun and challenging... but not as much as turning both ways. And the reason is very simple, with turns in both directions, drivers have twice as many ways to setup and execute passes, which makes for far more interesting action.
| Calamity Jesus | 12-17-2004 04:13 PM |
[QUOTE=joey1313]I don't like tennis, but don't think tennis players and their fans are idiots/aholes/etc because I don't enjoy it.[/QUOTE]
Well, when you're aching to watch a football game, and you flip thru the channels, and you don't see football, or even basketball.. or even curling.. you just see tennis... you'd be excited to see the downfall of tennis someday.
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I've been to 1 Winston-Cup race at Charlotte. Boring.. glad I had brought a case of beer in with me. The fans were more interested in the driver parade at the start than the actual races. I definitely agree that most NASCAR fans are more interested in the ongoing driver saga than anything else.
The night before that race, I went to a World of Outlaws race at the Charlotte Dirt Track. Simply amazing to witness. I'll never forget that spectacle... I've already forgotten most of the Winston race. :alien:
My favorite type of event to watch?... Figure 8 School Bus Racing. :D
Well, when you're aching to watch a football game, and you flip thru the channels, and you don't see football, or even basketball.. or even curling.. you just see tennis... you'd be excited to see the downfall of tennis someday.
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I've been to 1 Winston-Cup race at Charlotte. Boring.. glad I had brought a case of beer in with me. The fans were more interested in the driver parade at the start than the actual races. I definitely agree that most NASCAR fans are more interested in the ongoing driver saga than anything else.
The night before that race, I went to a World of Outlaws race at the Charlotte Dirt Track. Simply amazing to witness. I'll never forget that spectacle... I've already forgotten most of the Winston race. :alien:
My favorite type of event to watch?... Figure 8 School Bus Racing. :D
| joey1313 | 12-17-2004 05:41 PM |
I guess its just not that big of a deal to me. If Speed has on something interesting i'll watch it. If they have on NASCAR coverage, I keep flipping channels. I don't mind all the coverage that NASCAR gets. It pays the bills on Speedtv. I am happy that I do get to see some coverage of what I like(WRC,F1,ALMS,SCCA Runoffs). Without NASCAR on Speedtv the only coverage we would get is RPM2Nite. We should thank NASCAR and its fans for the coverage we do get. Remember what it was like to watch racing 10 years ago on TV? Very little if any sportscar racing at all.
| hillman | 12-17-2004 06:37 PM |
[QUOTE=joey1313]I guess its just not that big of a deal to me. If Speed has on something interesting i'll watch it. If they have on NASCAR coverage, I keep flipping channels. I don't mind all the coverage that NASCAR gets. It pays the bills on Speedtv. I am happy that I do get to see some coverage of what I like(WRC,F1,ALMS,SCCA Runoffs). Without NASCAR on Speedtv the only coverage we would get is RPM2Nite. We should thank NASCAR and its fans for the coverage we do get. Remember what it was like to watch racing 10 years ago on TV? Very little if any sportscar racing at all.[/QUOTE]
Speedvision survived and even thrived without much NASCAR programming at all. Then it was acquired by FOX, re-named SpeedTV, and devoted largely to circles.
This is actually why a lot of people who hate NASCAR hate NASCAR. You
used to be able to turn on Speedvision on a weeknight and watch some racing. Not since it got NASCAR-ised though.
Speedvision survived and even thrived without much NASCAR programming at all. Then it was acquired by FOX, re-named SpeedTV, and devoted largely to circles.
This is actually why a lot of people who hate NASCAR hate NASCAR. You
used to be able to turn on Speedvision on a weeknight and watch some racing. Not since it got NASCAR-ised though.
| LatentWagen | 12-17-2004 07:09 PM |
iirc jeff gordon won that french drivers tourney last year, no? on all the different surfaces and different cars? i have respect for the guys... i just cant imagine going around in a circle all day.
| dorrington | 12-18-2004 02:21 AM |
[QUOTE=ratt_finkel]It's not even a hurdle. I still can't understand why they use carburators.[/QUOTE]
that was sarcasm, btw
I drive an import so...NASCAR SUCKS!!!
No, I mean, I do think NASCAR sucks, but not because I drive an import. Theres no technology involved, nothing that affects us as the consumer. Other motorsports' tech leaks into everyday driving eventually. NASCAR is still stuck in the past, and even worse not even representative of actual 'stock' cars.
that was sarcasm, btw
I drive an import so...NASCAR SUCKS!!!
No, I mean, I do think NASCAR sucks, but not because I drive an import. Theres no technology involved, nothing that affects us as the consumer. Other motorsports' tech leaks into everyday driving eventually. NASCAR is still stuck in the past, and even worse not even representative of actual 'stock' cars.
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