| Call_me_Tom | 07-01-2005 10:14 PM |
How can I fix this?
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How can I fix this using the least amount of money possible?
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| Uncle Scotty | 07-01-2005 10:19 PM |
....take the bumper cover off and take it to somebody to get re-sprayed and then put it back on.
| piker28 | 07-01-2005 10:21 PM |
leave it duhh
in real life..youll need a new bumper and to paint it obviously
in real life..youll need a new bumper and to paint it obviously
| ludecrous | 07-01-2005 10:22 PM |
Least amount of money.... hum.
1) friend who works in a body shop
2) Go to your nearest chain bookstore grab some coffee and read all the books you can find about bodywork, painting, filling and repair. Buy some supplies froma local store and some color matched paint from a specialty autostore and go about trying it yourself. It won't be perfect but it won't cost you much and if it really comes out bad you can always have it done over by a pro.
3) I would guess that something like this would run you $250-300 at a body place as they will have to repair the area and clear coat the entire bumper, most likely while it's still on the car.
just my $0.02
1) friend who works in a body shop
2) Go to your nearest chain bookstore grab some coffee and read all the books you can find about bodywork, painting, filling and repair. Buy some supplies froma local store and some color matched paint from a specialty autostore and go about trying it yourself. It won't be perfect but it won't cost you much and if it really comes out bad you can always have it done over by a pro.
3) I would guess that something like this would run you $250-300 at a body place as they will have to repair the area and clear coat the entire bumper, most likely while it's still on the car.
just my $0.02
| ludecrous | 07-01-2005 10:24 PM |
ifyou get a quote from a bodyshop that says replace the bumper i.e. new, then I think they are ripping you. Most places can fix that using a little mud, a little sanding and repaint and clear.
| Call_me_Tom | 07-01-2005 10:33 PM |
Thanks everyone.
Scotty I expected more of a retort from you...what's the world coming to?
lude thanks for the advice I'll start looking into either having a shop do it for cheap or I'll try it myself.
Scotty I expected more of a retort from you...what's the world coming to?
lude thanks for the advice I'll start looking into either having a shop do it for cheap or I'll try it myself.
| kcook | 07-01-2005 11:11 PM |
it'll buff right out
| DrD | 07-01-2005 11:15 PM |
If you are comfortable painting it yourself, get a can from paintscratch.com - paint and clear will run you $50 or so - sand it smooth in the damaged area, prime the bare plastic, paint the area (blending into the bumper) then clear coat it - probably won't get body-shop perfect, but it will look 100% better than it does now...
| joeyb7 | 07-01-2005 11:58 PM |
This question is so open-ended. What is your meaning of "fixed?" It could look o.k. if you did it yourself, but are you satisfied with that type or result?
| Call_me_Tom | 07-02-2005 12:07 AM |
[QUOTE=joeyb7]This question is so open-ended. What is your meaning of "fixed?" It could look o.k. if you did it yourself, but are you satisfied with that type or result?[/QUOTE]
This is my baby so of course anything less then perfect is going to be just that...less then perfect.
My problem is that my cash funds are low. My next check was going to go to some suspension upgrades and a good alignment. I would still like to get those things and also to get this fixed on the same check.
I'll shop around for a few estimates next week but if they want an arm and a leg then I'll just end up doing it myself.
This is my baby so of course anything less then perfect is going to be just that...less then perfect.
My problem is that my cash funds are low. My next check was going to go to some suspension upgrades and a good alignment. I would still like to get those things and also to get this fixed on the same check.
I'll shop around for a few estimates next week but if they want an arm and a leg then I'll just end up doing it myself.
| Call_me_Tom | 07-02-2005 12:11 AM |
[QUOTE=DrD]If you are comfortable painting it yourself, get a can from paintscratch.com - paint and clear will run you $50 or so - sand it smooth in the damaged area, prime the bare plastic, paint the area (blending into the bumper) then clear coat it - probably won't get body-shop perfect, but it will look 100% better than it does now...[/QUOTE]
What would you suggest using to fill it in i.e. bondo, some form of clay, etc. Also what type of sand paper would I need to use to smooth everything out before I paint.
I read an article awhile back about different types of primer...does anyone have a link or know anything about this?
Paintscratch.com looks like a good bet so I'll take a look at that after this.
What would you suggest using to fill it in i.e. bondo, some form of clay, etc. Also what type of sand paper would I need to use to smooth everything out before I paint.
I read an article awhile back about different types of primer...does anyone have a link or know anything about this?
Paintscratch.com looks like a good bet so I'll take a look at that after this.
| piker28 | 07-02-2005 12:13 AM |
if your anal about your car get the work done by a professsional you will never get it looking right..
personally what is done is done id prob rock with it for awhile till i found a used wrb bumper around or till i felt like paying to fix it.. suspension upgrades are much more worth it
ps- mess up bumpers RULE, my rear one is ugly in a few places now im not worry to back into things since it is messed up anyway hah...fun to roll back alot and scare the car behind you and i dont have to worry cause if i hit em the bumper is screwed either way and they rearended me!
personally what is done is done id prob rock with it for awhile till i found a used wrb bumper around or till i felt like paying to fix it.. suspension upgrades are much more worth it
ps- mess up bumpers RULE, my rear one is ugly in a few places now im not worry to back into things since it is messed up anyway hah...fun to roll back alot and scare the car behind you and i dont have to worry cause if i hit em the bumper is screwed either way and they rearended me!
| Call_me_Tom | 07-02-2005 12:16 AM |
[QUOTE=piker28]if your anal about your car get the work done by a professsional you will never get it looking right..
personally what is done is done id prob rock with it for awhile till i found a used wrb bumper around or till i felt like paying to fix it.. suspension upgrades are much more worth it
ps- mess up bumpers RULE, my rear one is ugly in a few places now im not worry to back into things since it is messed up anyway hah...fun to roll back alot and scare the car behind you and i dont have to worry cause if i hit em the bumper is screwed either way and they rearended me![/QUOTE]
Very good point.
I'm in the process of doing a HELOC so I should have some more funds in the near future. I just hate spending money on stuff that I normally wouldn't have to.
personally what is done is done id prob rock with it for awhile till i found a used wrb bumper around or till i felt like paying to fix it.. suspension upgrades are much more worth it
ps- mess up bumpers RULE, my rear one is ugly in a few places now im not worry to back into things since it is messed up anyway hah...fun to roll back alot and scare the car behind you and i dont have to worry cause if i hit em the bumper is screwed either way and they rearended me![/QUOTE]
Very good point.
I'm in the process of doing a HELOC so I should have some more funds in the near future. I just hate spending money on stuff that I normally wouldn't have to.
| stonecutter29 | 07-02-2005 12:27 AM |
i have similar damage to my front bumper
can i have the bodyshop repair the damage without respraying the whole bumper
how good does this look and what do you think it would cost
thanks
can i have the bodyshop repair the damage without respraying the whole bumper
how good does this look and what do you think it would cost
thanks
| DrD | 07-02-2005 12:34 AM |
How good really depends on the shop and how well they match and blend the paint - odds are it's not going to be perfect if they try to do a small area like the corner of the bumper - but it'll probably be good enough that you won't even notice it. Some colors are harder to work with than others - and some people are more sensitive to small differences in paint color/shade than others.
If you pull the bumper cover, sand it smooth, and ask them to paint/blend the shell, then it shouldn't be too expensive - probably $100-200 around here to get that done.
If you pull the bumper cover, sand it smooth, and ask them to paint/blend the shell, then it shouldn't be too expensive - probably $100-200 around here to get that done.
| piker28 | 07-02-2005 12:34 AM |
depends on the damage most of the time there is piece of the bumper grooved out
so in the end it is cheaper to just get a whole new bumper, least thats how insurance looks at it
not sure if its paid for privately,
so in the end it is cheaper to just get a whole new bumper, least thats how insurance looks at it
not sure if its paid for privately,
| veightkiller | 07-02-2005 12:37 AM |
buy yourself a nice huge sticker that will cover that thing..
| DrD | 07-02-2005 12:41 AM |
[QUOTE=krazyK1371]What would you suggest using to fill it in i.e. bondo, some form of clay, etc. Also what type of sand paper would I need to use to smooth everything out before I paint.[/QUOTE]
I probably wouldn't bother with filler - just sand it smooth as you can (600 grit wet/dry should be fine - pick it up anywhere - you could use a heavier grit to go faster, but 400 or 600 will be easier to work with (they don't remove material as quickly)
For the primer, get a flexible primer (any parts store will have it - or you can buy it from paintscratch as well)
It might not be perfect, but it should look good enough.
Watching the for-sale forums for someone parting out a crashed WRX is probably easier...
Here's one which might be ok...
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I probably wouldn't bother with filler - just sand it smooth as you can (600 grit wet/dry should be fine - pick it up anywhere - you could use a heavier grit to go faster, but 400 or 600 will be easier to work with (they don't remove material as quickly)
For the primer, get a flexible primer (any parts store will have it - or you can buy it from paintscratch as well)
It might not be perfect, but it should look good enough.
Watching the for-sale forums for someone parting out a crashed WRX is probably easier...
Here's one which might be ok...
[url="http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794186"]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794186[/url]
| ludecrous | 07-02-2005 01:52 PM |
the problem with doing most of these repairs is the actual end step, the clear coat. Reason why I say this is because you can sand, mud (if required), prime and blend color paint yourself, but when you get to do the clear coat is when it get's tricky, as most pro places will end up clearcoating the whole bumper so you don't see witness lines. If you try and clear coat just a patch you will be able to see faint lines in the clear where it has not "merged" with the existing clear in the good areas. Of course there are exceptions and i'm sure there are good paint guys who can patch the clear coat, but normally they have years of experience in painting unlike yourself.
Maybe you could do all the hand work yourself and get the color down and blended then just take to a shop for the clearcoating. This may be the cheapest option with a good clearcoat finish.
Maybe you could do all the hand work yourself and get the color down and blended then just take to a shop for the clearcoating. This may be the cheapest option with a good clearcoat finish.
| AirForge | 07-07-2005 01:00 AM |
I had very similar damage on my rear bumper cover, just on the right-side corner instead. Mine was actually a bit worse. The damage doesn�t look to bad in the pictures but pictures don�t always do paint damage justice. If you find that you need to use a filler, you need to get a special plastic filler made for bumpers. What I did to fix mine was sand the damaged area with some 400 grit wet or dry. Feather it out real good so it feels nice and smooth. Then prime the area where the black bumper is showing. There is really no need for a flex additive in the paint or primer in this situation. After the primer I cut it briefly with some 400 grit and final sanded with 600. Next you MUST scuff the rest of the bumper with some 600 grit (I actually used a scotchbrite pad). You need to remove the shine from the bumper while scuffing it. The hardest part comes next with the blending. You need to go to a good paint supply store before hand and show those people your paint and they will match it pretty darn close. You need to just sort of blend the paint out by playing with the trigger on your paint gun. Go slow and ease the trigger to full open as you go across the damage. Just use some common sense and you will be fine. After you repair the damage with the base paint go back and clear the ENTIRE bumper. I�ve never heard of anyone successfully blending clearcoat so don�t even try it.
I will post some pics of my repair you might find help full.
The damage:
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After sanding:
[IMG]http://webpages.charter.net/airforge/DSCF0340small.jpg[/IMG]
After priming:
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Done:
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As you can see it was night time when i got finished so the pics are a little dark, but i can assure you it worked very well and the repair is undetectable.
Total cost: $58
I will post some pics of my repair you might find help full.
The damage:
[IMG]http://webpages.charter.net/airforge/PHTO0006small.jpg[/IMG]
After sanding:
[IMG]http://webpages.charter.net/airforge/DSCF0340small.jpg[/IMG]
After priming:
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Done:
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[IMG]http://webpages.charter.net/airforge/DSCF0384small.jpg[/IMG]
As you can see it was night time when i got finished so the pics are a little dark, but i can assure you it worked very well and the repair is undetectable.
Total cost: $58
| eqlized_aero | 07-07-2005 01:39 AM |
^^^ That's the spirit!
Spend $50 trying to repair it yourself and if it doesn't turn out you can bring it to a body shop. They'll probably laugh at your failed attempt, but oh well.
I've been painting motorcycles, cars, and all sorts of other motor vehicles as a hobby for 5-6 years now. There is a learning curve, but it doesn't take too many attempts before you start getting some pretty good results. I repainted my motorcycle 3 times and by the 3rd time I had exactly the color I wanted and had enough experience building a paint booth and painting that it turned out flawlessly. The best part is you're able to lay down as many coats of clear as you want when you do a repair yourself. A whole lot of layers will give you plenty of wiggle room if you ever get a decent scratch on the area you repaired.
The main thing to realize is that if you mess up it is correctable, either by you or a body shop.
Spend $50 trying to repair it yourself and if it doesn't turn out you can bring it to a body shop. They'll probably laugh at your failed attempt, but oh well.
I've been painting motorcycles, cars, and all sorts of other motor vehicles as a hobby for 5-6 years now. There is a learning curve, but it doesn't take too many attempts before you start getting some pretty good results. I repainted my motorcycle 3 times and by the 3rd time I had exactly the color I wanted and had enough experience building a paint booth and painting that it turned out flawlessly. The best part is you're able to lay down as many coats of clear as you want when you do a repair yourself. A whole lot of layers will give you plenty of wiggle room if you ever get a decent scratch on the area you repaired.
The main thing to realize is that if you mess up it is correctable, either by you or a body shop.
| ludecrous | 07-07-2005 10:28 AM |
Airforge, nice job, did you have access to a spray gun by any chance ? wondering how you applied the clearcoat so well , also what brand of clearcoat did you use?
| calib17a | 07-07-2005 11:52 AM |
Take your car or just the bumper to a community college with a body and paint program. Talk to the instructor first ask if they have pictures of previous work done. It will save you money and work will be supervised by the instructor.
| djerickd | 07-07-2005 12:14 PM |
[QUOTE=AirForge]
Done:
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[IMG]http://webpages.charter.net/airforge/DSCF0384small.jpg[/IMG]
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Whoa!! come do my door ding! :banana:
Done:
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[IMG]http://webpages.charter.net/airforge/DSCF0384small.jpg[/IMG]
[/QUOTE]
Whoa!! come do my door ding! :banana:
| AirForge | 07-07-2005 12:23 PM |
[QUOTE=ludecrous]Airforge, nice job, did you have access to a spray gun by any chance ? wondering how you applied the clearcoat so well , also what brand of clearcoat did you use?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I have a few spray guns. I just used some cheap knockoff gun; I don�t even know the brand. I bought it from my local paint supplier for around $80 I believe. Clear coat is a very tricky demon, much harder then any basecoat in my opinion. I just put the clearcoat on in just a normal spray pattern over the entire bumper, it�s just like shooting basecoat accept it leaves much less room for mistakes. All the paint/cc I used was crossfire brand, never mix brands and always use the tech sheets and it really doesn�t matter what brand you use. Everyone seems to agree the Omni brand is the easiest to shoot though. :disco:
Yes, I have a few spray guns. I just used some cheap knockoff gun; I don�t even know the brand. I bought it from my local paint supplier for around $80 I believe. Clear coat is a very tricky demon, much harder then any basecoat in my opinion. I just put the clearcoat on in just a normal spray pattern over the entire bumper, it�s just like shooting basecoat accept it leaves much less room for mistakes. All the paint/cc I used was crossfire brand, never mix brands and always use the tech sheets and it really doesn�t matter what brand you use. Everyone seems to agree the Omni brand is the easiest to shoot though. :disco:
| ludecrous | 07-07-2005 03:48 PM |
Good deal, I know how tricky clear can be, after learning the hard way and having to knock down and re clear several times !!! I've only used PPG products.
| Call_me_Tom | 07-15-2005 11:13 PM |
I clean it up with a little rubbing compound. It looks a little better. I'll post occasionally as I progress through the process. Sorry for the bad pic...cheap camera.
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| vatir | 09-08-2005 07:10 PM |
Well this one looks pretty minor but it came from an idiot who nicked me at right about 95 then tried to run. My big question is if I have someone completely repaints the bumper will anyone be able to tell it was ever repaired?
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| DrD | 09-08-2005 08:30 PM |
[QUOTE=vatir]Well this one looks pretty minor but it came from an idiot who nicked me at right about 95 then tried to run. My big question is if I have someone completely repaints the bumper will anyone be able to tell it was ever repaired?
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depends on how well they match the paint and blend into adjacent panels. If they do a good job, whether or not it's noticeable depends on how hard you look and if you know what to look for.
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depends on how well they match the paint and blend into adjacent panels. If they do a good job, whether or not it's noticeable depends on how hard you look and if you know what to look for.
| vatir | 09-09-2005 06:21 AM |
The car is very new about 5k miles total so hopefully not much blending I am guessing and they say they will be using factory paint. If those are the case is they any real chance it will be completely unnoticeable to a trained eye?
| DrD | 09-09-2005 09:33 AM |
there is always a chance it will be perfect. Thing is with metallic paints, there's more to matching the paint than just the color - the way the metallic flakes sit can make things look differently (which is why they need to blend) - also, they will be using whatever paint they have, colormatched to your car (they have the recipie for your paint color from the paint code) - they can't get factory paint (not that it matters, though) - also, even factory paint has variations from day to day, etc. at the production plant, so it's often not as easy as mixing it up and you are good to go.
| saldunn83 | 09-09-2005 02:58 PM |
Wish I had researched this process before i spent $260 for the same exact thing!....D'OH!
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