| spazegun2213 | 09-08-2006 10:13 AM |
how many have build race cars? how long did it take?
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So, i have this really, REALLY stupid idea in my head. I'm thinking about building a race car (yes another one). Don't every try to tell me to buy one :rolleyes:, I know its easier, cheaper, faster, etc. Right now i just want to see how long its taken you to build the car.
I'm thinking full engine out strip down, Race motor, Cage, suspension, etc. I realize it would probably cost me $texas :( , but it would be mine. I would know exactly what went in to it and [I]I[/I] would get to build up a lot of it. I realize this could take me several years to do, and this is why I'm asking how long it took you?
thanks!!
I'm thinking full engine out strip down, Race motor, Cage, suspension, etc. I realize it would probably cost me $texas :( , but it would be mine. I would know exactly what went in to it and [I]I[/I] would get to build up a lot of it. I realize this could take me several years to do, and this is why I'm asking how long it took you?
thanks!!
| sachilles | 09-08-2006 10:25 AM |
.....still building.
Lot of factors. Money, time, knowledge.
Technology has changed enough in the timespan that I've been building, I have to re-do some of the stuff just to keep up.:lol:
Lot of factors. Money, time, knowledge.
Technology has changed enough in the timespan that I've been building, I have to re-do some of the stuff just to keep up.:lol:
| SWortham | 09-08-2006 10:33 AM |
At first I thought you were talking about building a car from scratch.
What would you build?
What would you build?
| Chuck H | 09-08-2006 10:35 AM |
It all depends on whether you do it all yourself, or have it done. Figure on spending WAY more than you ever thought.
I made the mistake of turning my 97 ACR Neon into a race car. I did the whole bolt-on route first, had some fun with that, then had someone re-do the engine for me with high compression and race cams, and had some more fun with that, and finally decided to bite the bullet and go for an all-out race car.
Well, the 3 month engine re-building project (by the same guy) took 2 years. The 3-4 week roll-cage building project took about a year. I've only driven the car about 30 miles between shops in the last 3 years, and it hasn't seen one second of track time. And I'm probably 30 grand in the hole at this point.
I know it's not what you want to hear, but if you actually want to race this car, then buy someone else's pre-built car, and let them take the financial beating. If you just want it for a project, then knock yourself out, but realize that it will probably be 2-5 years getting it all together and that you'll never even come close to recovering your investment.
I made the mistake of turning my 97 ACR Neon into a race car. I did the whole bolt-on route first, had some fun with that, then had someone re-do the engine for me with high compression and race cams, and had some more fun with that, and finally decided to bite the bullet and go for an all-out race car.
Well, the 3 month engine re-building project (by the same guy) took 2 years. The 3-4 week roll-cage building project took about a year. I've only driven the car about 30 miles between shops in the last 3 years, and it hasn't seen one second of track time. And I'm probably 30 grand in the hole at this point.
I know it's not what you want to hear, but if you actually want to race this car, then buy someone else's pre-built car, and let them take the financial beating. If you just want it for a project, then knock yourself out, but realize that it will probably be 2-5 years getting it all together and that you'll never even come close to recovering your investment.
| KIDREX | 09-08-2006 10:38 AM |
I'm planning on building one this winter. I know it won't be a well sorted out build for a long time but it'll be out on the track. I'm planning on tearing it completely down, painting, engine rebuild, suspension, limited slip install, all safety equipment, and well pretty much everything. Just want to get it out on the track as soon as possible but with a quality job done. As far as builds for me this is fairly simple as not alot of custom work will need to be done thereby cutting down on build time drastically. The money is the issue, not time if you have the necessary experience.
Time to sell my WRX...:mad:
Time to sell my WRX...:mad:
| blind26 | 09-08-2006 10:39 AM |
/been building since February... Not near completion... (site hasnt been updated in a bit, but is farther along than this)
[url]http://blind.4nracing.com[/url]
[url]http://blind.4nracing.com[/url]
| spazegun2213 | 09-08-2006 11:04 AM |
To give you all a few more details I'm think about another 944 (this one would be a turbo though).
Thanks for the stories, and this is EXACTLY what i wanted to hear. I know, its much better to just buy a car (and now that I've done that i know what to do next time), but i think I'm starting to get the point :)
Thanks for the stories, and this is EXACTLY what i wanted to hear. I know, its much better to just buy a car (and now that I've done that i know what to do next time), but i think I'm starting to get the point :)
| mykrrrr | 09-08-2006 11:41 AM |
What kind of car? What race series?
| spazegun2213 | 09-08-2006 11:46 AM |
[QUOTE=mykrrrr;15174110]What kind of car? What race series?[/QUOTE]
944 turbo for PCA GT3/Nasa GTS/scca ITE/nasa 944cup extreme (if this class ever happens). In my head i have a 300whp 2200lb beast with coilovers and 17x9s' F and 17x10s rear :D
but really I'm just looking for stories about cars, the problems putting it all together the 6figure price tag when its done :lol:
944 turbo for PCA GT3/Nasa GTS/scca ITE/nasa 944cup extreme (if this class ever happens). In my head i have a 300whp 2200lb beast with coilovers and 17x9s' F and 17x10s rear :D
but really I'm just looking for stories about cars, the problems putting it all together the 6figure price tag when its done :lol:
| RB5 Clone | 09-08-2006 11:55 AM |
answer depends on:
--do you have a shop, the skills, and tools and KNOW-HOW to build it yourself?
--do you have the patience? (learning whle you build = 3x time you originally thought)
--what series are you building for? higher spec series = longer build times, more $$$
my rally car started life as somebody's bottom-feeder el cheapo Impreza. It got built up in less than a year, thanks to original owner's shop and dedicated work. If I analyze how much time is spent wrenching on the car vs time spent hauling ass thru the forest, it makes me want to think about something else...:rolleyes:
realistically speaking, you need to realize you are never ever truly "done" with any race car...at some point you just have to load it on the trailer and go racing the way it is. after the race there is ALWAYS more stuff to do to it!
Dave G
--do you have a shop, the skills, and tools and KNOW-HOW to build it yourself?
--do you have the patience? (learning whle you build = 3x time you originally thought)
--what series are you building for? higher spec series = longer build times, more $$$
my rally car started life as somebody's bottom-feeder el cheapo Impreza. It got built up in less than a year, thanks to original owner's shop and dedicated work. If I analyze how much time is spent wrenching on the car vs time spent hauling ass thru the forest, it makes me want to think about something else...:rolleyes:
realistically speaking, you need to realize you are never ever truly "done" with any race car...at some point you just have to load it on the trailer and go racing the way it is. after the race there is ALWAYS more stuff to do to it!
Dave G
| roofis | 09-08-2006 12:10 PM |
I've built a rally car within the past few months. Up until then I was negotiating with a seller of a pre built RS rally car and it just didn't work out. It came close, real close but in the end it just fell apart. By then I was sick of talking with people whose cars weren't exactly what I was looking for and worrying about how to get a car in the midwest or southeast to the northwest was an ongoing challenge.
So I finally stopped looking at the classifieds and just built my own car. It's a production class Impreza L. It doesn't handle like a monorail and it doesn't accelerate like a space shuttle but it's a rally car. It works, it meets all safety requirements of the sanctioning bodies and it's gotten me all over the NW and western Canada to and from events with no problems at all.
I wouldn't say at all that I've spent WAYYYY more than I planned on spending but at the same time, my unplanned spending was realizing that I'd have to buy a $70 jigsaw to cut out my mudflaps or a $10 sheet of exhaust gasket material because my initial idea of using copper wire didn't work as well as I thought. Stuff like that. Going into the project I had a very good idea of what I'd pay for certain things and also what I was going to put larger amounts of money into vs. going with the lesser brand name or the model with less features & options. For example, Sparco seats in place of less expensive Momo's which I've never sat in; simple elecrical Autometer gauges instead of flashy Defi BF gauges for $200 a piece.
Also for parts, shop around. As much as we like supporting the NASIOC vendors, or the local guys, they don't always have the greatest prices so the 2 hours you spend looking for the lowest price on harnesses will be rewarded with a gem that's way below what the mainstream vendors are asking. All that adds up to be a pretty significant saved amount.
Building the car has been great, I like smashing my head off cage bars while trying to fit a self made wiring harness or crushing my fingers replacing motor mounts & various hard to get to pieces in the engine bay. It's trying at times though. Little sleep, and the fumes from paint, fresh welds & simple green are bound to still be exponentially reducing my brain mass as we speak.
Make sure you have a good source of outlets and other things to go to when you're frustrated or just plain need a break from wrenching in the garage. I've gotten sloppy cause I was pissed and just wanted to get the work done for the day and on some things it shows. They don't affect structural integrity or stuff like that, but mostly paint overspray I've had to rub down the next day and redo.
Hope that gives you some positive outlook. Too many people say, as they have told me, that building isn't worth it and is one of the worst things you could do to yourself. I don't agree with that at all.
Good luck.
So I finally stopped looking at the classifieds and just built my own car. It's a production class Impreza L. It doesn't handle like a monorail and it doesn't accelerate like a space shuttle but it's a rally car. It works, it meets all safety requirements of the sanctioning bodies and it's gotten me all over the NW and western Canada to and from events with no problems at all.
I wouldn't say at all that I've spent WAYYYY more than I planned on spending but at the same time, my unplanned spending was realizing that I'd have to buy a $70 jigsaw to cut out my mudflaps or a $10 sheet of exhaust gasket material because my initial idea of using copper wire didn't work as well as I thought. Stuff like that. Going into the project I had a very good idea of what I'd pay for certain things and also what I was going to put larger amounts of money into vs. going with the lesser brand name or the model with less features & options. For example, Sparco seats in place of less expensive Momo's which I've never sat in; simple elecrical Autometer gauges instead of flashy Defi BF gauges for $200 a piece.
Also for parts, shop around. As much as we like supporting the NASIOC vendors, or the local guys, they don't always have the greatest prices so the 2 hours you spend looking for the lowest price on harnesses will be rewarded with a gem that's way below what the mainstream vendors are asking. All that adds up to be a pretty significant saved amount.
Building the car has been great, I like smashing my head off cage bars while trying to fit a self made wiring harness or crushing my fingers replacing motor mounts & various hard to get to pieces in the engine bay. It's trying at times though. Little sleep, and the fumes from paint, fresh welds & simple green are bound to still be exponentially reducing my brain mass as we speak.
Make sure you have a good source of outlets and other things to go to when you're frustrated or just plain need a break from wrenching in the garage. I've gotten sloppy cause I was pissed and just wanted to get the work done for the day and on some things it shows. They don't affect structural integrity or stuff like that, but mostly paint overspray I've had to rub down the next day and redo.
Hope that gives you some positive outlook. Too many people say, as they have told me, that building isn't worth it and is one of the worst things you could do to yourself. I don't agree with that at all.
Good luck.
| platypus | 09-08-2006 02:45 PM |
if you don't weld, it'll most likely be worth your while to learn how and get yourself a welder. Other than buying replacement parts, paying someone to do welding on my car has been my biggest outlay of cash.
No race car is ever finished. You simply run out of time or money and have to stop working on it and take the thing racing.
As far as budget, I've noticed (at least for rally), that if you double the purchase price of the car (blue book-ish type values) and then add another $1000 or so on top of that you'll have a rough estimate of what it'll cost to turn it into a competition-ready car. Not competitive, mind you, just ready for the stages.
YMMV.
No race car is ever finished. You simply run out of time or money and have to stop working on it and take the thing racing.
As far as budget, I've noticed (at least for rally), that if you double the purchase price of the car (blue book-ish type values) and then add another $1000 or so on top of that you'll have a rough estimate of what it'll cost to turn it into a competition-ready car. Not competitive, mind you, just ready for the stages.
YMMV.
| sachilles | 09-08-2006 03:55 PM |
Although I will add that a cage is no place for a rookie welder.
| Chuck H | 09-08-2006 03:55 PM |
The most difficult thing to do yourself (IMO) is the roll cage. I went with a well-known cage maker and spent a small fortune having a custom cage done, but I figured that was one place I didn't want to scrimp. It's probably only legal for HPDE events, because it's tied into the chassis in WAY too many places for most spec series, and stiffens the car up MUCH more than any legal cage would.
I could have saved a lot of money doing the motor myself, but didn't think I was up to it. On hindsight, considering what it cost me and the quality of the engine-builder's work, I would have done that part myself. Other than that, stripping out the interior, and doing the suspension is pretty easy stuff -- just time consuming.
Once my daughter is out of college in a few years, I think I'm going to just get rid of the Neon and get myself a turn-key FFR Cobra replica for a track car. That way I can just enjoy driving it, instead of spending all my time building and fixing it. Plus it's always been my dream car, and I should finally be able to afford one. ;)
I could have saved a lot of money doing the motor myself, but didn't think I was up to it. On hindsight, considering what it cost me and the quality of the engine-builder's work, I would have done that part myself. Other than that, stripping out the interior, and doing the suspension is pretty easy stuff -- just time consuming.
Once my daughter is out of college in a few years, I think I'm going to just get rid of the Neon and get myself a turn-key FFR Cobra replica for a track car. That way I can just enjoy driving it, instead of spending all my time building and fixing it. Plus it's always been my dream car, and I should finally be able to afford one. ;)
| STiShawn | 09-08-2006 04:12 PM |
I've been building my RM4 rallycross dedictaed racer for the last 2 years and still work on it to much for my own good. You dont need some huge shop with every tool known to man to build one, it just takes dedication and enginuity. Fwiw I built mine with no air tools, using simple hand tools, a dremel tool, power drill and perserverance (sp?).
[url]http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2297291[/url]
This thread has all my build up threads thus far. Hoping ti have a great weekend on the 16-17th.
[url]http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2297291[/url]
This thread has all my build up threads thus far. Hoping ti have a great weekend on the 16-17th.
| REX8 | 09-08-2006 04:13 PM |
[IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/johnjanick/2003car.jpg[/IMG]
Does SAE count? This is one of 3...with a little help from 4 friends...
I'm doing another one, similar to this size right now...should take 2-3 years...
Does SAE count? This is one of 3...with a little help from 4 friends...
I'm doing another one, similar to this size right now...should take 2-3 years...
| kfoote | 09-08-2006 04:39 PM |
6 people + 18 hour days = 2 BMW E46 World Challenge cars in 2 weeks.
My Miata took me about 3 months.
My Miata took me about 3 months.
| MattSTi | 09-08-2006 09:05 PM |
I've been working on my Miata on and off for about 3 months and It's not too far from being track ready. However, I'm actually going to "rebuild" it after it's gone through the SCCA licensing school because of time constraints. Also, building a spec miata is a relatively simple and quick project, depending on how much attention to detail one has. I've heard of miatas being race-ready in 20 man hours, not including the 25 or so hours of fabrication for the cage and seat mount.
-Matt
-Matt
| V6TurboTA | 09-08-2006 09:23 PM |
By "race" do you mean
"Go really fast (60mph :lol: ) around cones in a parking lot"?
~v6
"Go really fast (60mph :lol: ) around cones in a parking lot"?
~v6
| rex-ya | 09-08-2006 09:25 PM |
I've never heard anyone say the car they built was "done".
| blue blurr | 09-08-2006 10:03 PM |
I'm in the process of building a Spec Miata, here is a picture I took 5 minutes ago after painting half the cage.
[IMG]http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m155/blueblurr2/IMG_9199.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m155/blueblurr2/IMG_9199.jpg[/IMG]
| M | 09-09-2006 10:02 AM |
it all depends on what car and class you are building for, your level of knowledge and skill, and how fast you actually work. There's no short answer but i've built a fair bit of racecars and car tell you, anything that i liked or considered good took about 2-3 man years with people that already knew what they were doing. To build a spec miata i would say you should budget 1 man year. that should be your point of reference.
| ptclaus98 | 09-09-2006 10:33 AM |
[QUOTE=platypus;15176901]if you don't weld, it'll most likely be worth your while to learn how and get yourself a welder. Other than buying replacement parts, paying someone to do welding on my car has been my biggest outlay of cash.
No race car is ever finished. You simply run out of time or money and have to stop working on it and take the thing racing.
As far as budget, I've noticed (at least for rally), that if you double the purchase price of the car (blue book-ish type values) and then add another $1000 or so on top of that you'll have a rough estimate of what it'll cost to turn it into a competition-ready car. Not competitive, mind you, just ready for the stages.
YMMV.[/QUOTE]
What if the KBB is ~$2K?
I'm planning on building a rally S12 sometime within the next couple of years.
No race car is ever finished. You simply run out of time or money and have to stop working on it and take the thing racing.
As far as budget, I've noticed (at least for rally), that if you double the purchase price of the car (blue book-ish type values) and then add another $1000 or so on top of that you'll have a rough estimate of what it'll cost to turn it into a competition-ready car. Not competitive, mind you, just ready for the stages.
YMMV.[/QUOTE]
What if the KBB is ~$2K?
I'm planning on building a rally S12 sometime within the next couple of years.
| sb427f-car | 09-09-2006 12:02 PM |
[QUOTE=spazegun2213;15172813]So, i have this really, REALLY stupid idea in my head. I'm thinking about building a race car (yes another one). Don't every try to tell me to buy one :rolleyes:, I know its easier, cheaper, faster, etc. Right now i just want to see how long its taken you to build the car.
I'm thinking full engine out strip down, Race motor, Cage, suspension, etc. I realize it would probably cost me $texas :( , but it would be mine. I would know exactly what went in to it and [I]I[/I] would get to build up a lot of it. I realize this could take me several years to do, and this is why I'm asking how long it took you?
thanks!![/QUOTE]
And you wagered Texas with a dollar sign in front of it.
I'm thinking full engine out strip down, Race motor, Cage, suspension, etc. I realize it would probably cost me $texas :( , but it would be mine. I would know exactly what went in to it and [I]I[/I] would get to build up a lot of it. I realize this could take me several years to do, and this is why I'm asking how long it took you?
thanks!![/QUOTE]
And you wagered Texas with a dollar sign in front of it.
| sb427f-car | 09-09-2006 12:05 PM |
[QUOTE=REX8;15178287][IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y5/johnjanick/2003car.jpg[/IMG]
Does SAE count? This is one of 3...with a little help from 4 friends...
I'm doing another one, similar to this size right now...should take 2-3 years...[/QUOTE]
Now that I would like to see, and have thought about doing something like that in the future myself.
How much do you have invested in it and what bike motor did you use?
Does SAE count? This is one of 3...with a little help from 4 friends...
I'm doing another one, similar to this size right now...should take 2-3 years...[/QUOTE]
Now that I would like to see, and have thought about doing something like that in the future myself.
How much do you have invested in it and what bike motor did you use?
| DrBiggly | 09-09-2006 12:53 PM |
[QUOTE=sb427f-car;15184773]And you wagered Texas with a dollar sign in front of it.[/QUOTE]
Perfect quote. :lol:
-Biggly
Perfect quote. :lol:
-Biggly
| ChrisDP | 09-09-2006 03:29 PM |
Put it this way... I bought a pro-built racecar for less than HALF of what went into it when it was built... 1.5 years ago. Just another data point...
| PA04STI | 09-09-2006 04:08 PM |
I always wanted to built a Factory Five car:
[url]http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/GTM/GTMkit.html[/url]
or this one:
[url]http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/coupe/coupekit.html[/url]
but would still be a pain in the arse...
Matt
[url]http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/GTM/GTMkit.html[/url]
or this one:
[url]http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/coupe/coupekit.html[/url]
but would still be a pain in the arse...
Matt
| STiShawn | 09-09-2006 11:14 PM |
If all goes well Im about to build an IT GTI
| REX8 | 09-10-2006 05:39 PM |
[QUOTE=sb427f-car;15184792]Now that I would like to see, and have thought about doing something like that in the future myself.
How much do you have invested in it and what bike motor did you use?[/QUOTE]
Not using 4130 I think you could do it for 10-12k with a diff, your own machining of course. That one runs an R6 engine, custom FI (and at one point had a turbo), a friend an I are designing one now with a turbo'd R1 (should be fun).
You could do a spool (no diff), cheaper steel, OTS uprights/brakes/etc. for below 10k. Heck, if weight really wasn't a bid deal, I bet you could do it for That one weighs 460 lbs wet.
The last one we did came is at 301 lbs...but ran a 450 single. (:eek: ).
If I were you, I'd shoot for 500-600 lbs...that and 120+ HP is plenty to get the blood going....
How much do you have invested in it and what bike motor did you use?[/QUOTE]
Not using 4130 I think you could do it for 10-12k with a diff, your own machining of course. That one runs an R6 engine, custom FI (and at one point had a turbo), a friend an I are designing one now with a turbo'd R1 (should be fun).
You could do a spool (no diff), cheaper steel, OTS uprights/brakes/etc. for below 10k. Heck, if weight really wasn't a bid deal, I bet you could do it for That one weighs 460 lbs wet.
The last one we did came is at 301 lbs...but ran a 450 single. (:eek: ).
If I were you, I'd shoot for 500-600 lbs...that and 120+ HP is plenty to get the blood going....
| M | 09-10-2006 08:52 PM |
there is absolutely no reason to run 4130 for a car whose rules do not dictate thicker walls for mild steel. 1020 and 4130 have the same stiffness.
use mild steel.
And i've been designing an open wheel car as well. It's a lot of work if you want incredible results. just depends on the person...
use mild steel.
And i've been designing an open wheel car as well. It's a lot of work if you want incredible results. just depends on the person...
| AndyRoo | 09-10-2006 11:41 PM |
ross,
you have issues man :lol:
- drew
you have issues man :lol:
- drew
| trhoppe | 09-10-2006 11:49 PM |
I just read the thread title and have this to say.
"Don't do it. Pay someone else 1/2 of what they put in building their race car to make it your own"
-Tom
"Don't do it. Pay someone else 1/2 of what they put in building their race car to make it your own"
-Tom
| stretchsje | 09-11-2006 06:53 AM |
Spaze, have you considered getting a kit car? A Caterham, perhaps?
| sb427f-car | 09-11-2006 10:24 AM |
[QUOTE=REX8;15194487]Not using 4130 I think you could do it for 10-12k with a diff, your own machining of course. That one runs an R6 engine, custom FI (and at one point had a turbo), a friend an I are designing one now with a turbo'd R1 (should be fun).
You could do a spool (no diff), cheaper steel, OTS uprights/brakes/etc. for below 10k. Heck, if weight really wasn't a bid deal, I bet you could do it for That one weighs 460 lbs wet.
The last one we did came is at 301 lbs...but ran a 450 single. (:eek: ).
If I were you, I'd shoot for 500-600 lbs...that and 120+ HP is plenty to get the blood going....[/QUOTE]
That's just the thing...I'd look at going as cheap as possible and making as much of the stuff myself.
You could do a spool (no diff), cheaper steel, OTS uprights/brakes/etc. for below 10k. Heck, if weight really wasn't a bid deal, I bet you could do it for That one weighs 460 lbs wet.
The last one we did came is at 301 lbs...but ran a 450 single. (:eek: ).
If I were you, I'd shoot for 500-600 lbs...that and 120+ HP is plenty to get the blood going....[/QUOTE]
That's just the thing...I'd look at going as cheap as possible and making as much of the stuff myself.
| spazegun2213 | 09-11-2006 10:36 AM |
[QUOTE=stretchsje;15199687]Spaze, have you considered getting a kit car? A Caterham, perhaps?[/QUOTE]
:lol: While i would love one, i dont have 40K for one ;)
it would be another 944. There is enough i dont like about my current race car that it would be nice to make another one. This is just a feeler though so people that have built up a car can tell me to "go for it" or "it will be a nightmare!" :lol:
either way I'm enjoying the stories and still thinking about another car.
:lol: While i would love one, i dont have 40K for one ;)
it would be another 944. There is enough i dont like about my current race car that it would be nice to make another one. This is just a feeler though so people that have built up a car can tell me to "go for it" or "it will be a nightmare!" :lol:
either way I'm enjoying the stories and still thinking about another car.
| Butt Dyno | 09-11-2006 04:26 PM |
You haven't even raced the darn thing yet. It'd be a shame to waste that paintjob :lol:
john
john
| spazegun2213 | 09-11-2006 05:43 PM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno;15205919]You haven't even raced the darn thing yet. It'd be a shame to waste that paintjob :lol:
john[/QUOTE]
actually i did race it ;) just not wheel to wheel.....
john[/QUOTE]
actually i did race it ;) just not wheel to wheel.....
| Butt Dyno | 09-11-2006 05:49 PM |
Oh right, time attack. Der.
Would you sell both your current cars or just b00st one of them?
Would you sell both your current cars or just b00st one of them?
| zzyzx | 09-11-2006 06:04 PM |
[QUOTE=spazegun2213;15172813]I realize this could take me several years to do, and this is why I'm asking how long it took you?[/QUOTE]
Several years? If this is the case, I think you need to decide whether you want to build a race car... or race.
Also, as others have pointed out it depends entirely on what series/class you intend to compete in. Many "race" cars don't allow "built" motors in the first place. The smart money is on a Spec Miata. Of course, this assumes you actually want to race it, not just build it. :)
It took about 8 weeks for my RS to go from STS autox legal car to ITE Club Racing legal "race" car.
Several years? If this is the case, I think you need to decide whether you want to build a race car... or race.
Also, as others have pointed out it depends entirely on what series/class you intend to compete in. Many "race" cars don't allow "built" motors in the first place. The smart money is on a Spec Miata. Of course, this assumes you actually want to race it, not just build it. :)
It took about 8 weeks for my RS to go from STS autox legal car to ITE Club Racing legal "race" car.
| spazegun2213 | 09-11-2006 08:16 PM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno;15206989]Oh right, time attack. Der.
Would you sell both your current cars or just b00st one of them?[/QUOTE]
Yup, odds are the subaru would either get a cage :) or be sold :(
[QUOTE=zzyzx;15207183]Several years? If this is the case, I think you need to decide whether you want to build a race car... or race.
Also, as others have pointed out it depends entirely on what series/class you intend to compete in. Many "race" cars don't allow "built" motors in the first place. The smart money is on a Spec Miata. Of course, this assumes you actually want to race it, not just build it. :)
It took about 8 weeks for my RS to go from STS autox legal car to ITE Club Racing legal "race" car.[/QUOTE]
This would be in addition to a race car, basicly would be a project that would last a few years, so that when/if i feel the need to move onto something faster I can, without having to worry about buying another car.
And this is all just another hair brained idea i have. But the car would be fairly ornate, and preped to win ITS or E production or something like that.
Would you sell both your current cars or just b00st one of them?[/QUOTE]
Yup, odds are the subaru would either get a cage :) or be sold :(
[QUOTE=zzyzx;15207183]Several years? If this is the case, I think you need to decide whether you want to build a race car... or race.
Also, as others have pointed out it depends entirely on what series/class you intend to compete in. Many "race" cars don't allow "built" motors in the first place. The smart money is on a Spec Miata. Of course, this assumes you actually want to race it, not just build it. :)
It took about 8 weeks for my RS to go from STS autox legal car to ITE Club Racing legal "race" car.[/QUOTE]
This would be in addition to a race car, basicly would be a project that would last a few years, so that when/if i feel the need to move onto something faster I can, without having to worry about buying another car.
And this is all just another hair brained idea i have. But the car would be fairly ornate, and preped to win ITS or E production or something like that.
| eclip5e | 09-11-2006 09:20 PM |
ITS?/??
The only SCCA Club class i could see you going into would be T2 for an STI or T3 on a national level. If the car isn't sock, then ITE on a regional level.
Also, do you have a tow vehicle and trailor?
The only SCCA Club class i could see you going into would be T2 for an STI or T3 on a national level. If the car isn't sock, then ITE on a regional level.
Also, do you have a tow vehicle and trailor?
| spazegun2213 | 09-11-2006 09:31 PM |
[QUOTE=eclip5e;15209540]ITS?/??
The only SCCA Club class i could see you going into would be T2 for an STI or T3 on a national level. If the car isn't sock, then ITE on a regional level.
Also, do you have a tow vehicle and trailor?[/QUOTE]
ITS for another 944, and i would build it up. As for my subaru, it would be t2, but I'm not factory backed so there would be no national leve run for me. It would be WAY cheaper to buy a T2 car (like the Go Dog Go ones) but to ber very honest, I'm no where NEAR the level to handle a sti on the track. i need a LOT more expierence before i could drive something that that speed.
oh and yes i have a truck (doubles as my motel ;)) and trailer
The only SCCA Club class i could see you going into would be T2 for an STI or T3 on a national level. If the car isn't sock, then ITE on a regional level.
Also, do you have a tow vehicle and trailor?[/QUOTE]
ITS for another 944, and i would build it up. As for my subaru, it would be t2, but I'm not factory backed so there would be no national leve run for me. It would be WAY cheaper to buy a T2 car (like the Go Dog Go ones) but to ber very honest, I'm no where NEAR the level to handle a sti on the track. i need a LOT more expierence before i could drive something that that speed.
oh and yes i have a truck (doubles as my motel ;)) and trailer
| eclip5e | 09-11-2006 09:45 PM |
I should back home with my parents, dump the girlfriend, stop eating out, stop buying groceries at whole foods, and get serious about building my car.
But then i think i'd be acceppting my obsession. I'm still in denyal.
But then i think i'd be acceppting my obsession. I'm still in denyal.
| spazegun2213 | 09-11-2006 09:54 PM |
[QUOTE=eclip5e;15209852]I should back home with my parents, dump the girlfriend, stop eating out, stop buying groceries at whole foods, and get serious about building my car.
But then i think i'd be acceppting my obsession. I'm still in denyal.[/QUOTE]
haha, 1/2 of that is true..... i mean don't get me wrong the free rent rocks but whole foods is a little over the top :lol:
In a year everything will change as well ;) and that means the race car might go :(
but until then I'll continue to dump money into the car ;)
But then i think i'd be acceppting my obsession. I'm still in denyal.[/QUOTE]
haha, 1/2 of that is true..... i mean don't get me wrong the free rent rocks but whole foods is a little over the top :lol:
In a year everything will change as well ;) and that means the race car might go :(
but until then I'll continue to dump money into the car ;)
| Derekb | 09-13-2006 02:25 AM |
After building a Lexus IS 300 for ITE and buying a top level prepped STI for T2 I would go with the latter every time. While I enjoyed the feeling of doing much of the work myself I realized I was spending too much time and $$ with my car in the garage rather than on the track.
Shopping for a good used race car is tough. There are only a handful of people I would trust with a safety cage. You need to have an engineered cage overbuilt for protection.
An interesting note about our two cars for sale is that they are street legal (in most states), have titles and can be financed through a bank just like a normal car. This makes it much easier to live with the expense of racing.
Don't worry about them being hard to drive. I've managed to stay in control of the car all season as a rookie. There is no place I'd rather be than when it's raining on the track!
-Derek
[url]www.godoggoracing.org[/url]
Shopping for a good used race car is tough. There are only a handful of people I would trust with a safety cage. You need to have an engineered cage overbuilt for protection.
An interesting note about our two cars for sale is that they are street legal (in most states), have titles and can be financed through a bank just like a normal car. This makes it much easier to live with the expense of racing.
Don't worry about them being hard to drive. I've managed to stay in control of the car all season as a rookie. There is no place I'd rather be than when it's raining on the track!
-Derek
[url]www.godoggoracing.org[/url]
| STFU STi | 09-13-2006 09:12 AM |
how about picking up a used Spec 7 (1st gen RX-7) they can be picked up with a cage.. for next to nothing.. and often times come ready to run, maybe just needing an engine, fresh dampers etc.
Spec 7 or spec-miata is the way to go.
get your seat time in.. then build a car later in life... as a project.
I am still building my RX-3 race car... (2+ years) would have been done by now, but the STi is just too fun on track to work on the other car.
Spec 7 or spec-miata is the way to go.
get your seat time in.. then build a car later in life... as a project.
I am still building my RX-3 race car... (2+ years) would have been done by now, but the STi is just too fun on track to work on the other car.
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