| WagonMonster | 01-29-2003 06:25 PM |
I Predict Mitsubishi Will Take The SCCA Championship This Year
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With Ralliart Prepping the cars and Diggins and O'Sullivan Driving, plus the fact that SRTUSA can't seem to keep their cars in one piece, I predict that Mitsubishi will take the Championship this year.
That is all...
But the SRT-4 is still faster :lol:
That is all...
But the SRT-4 is still faster :lol:
| nate49509 | 01-29-2003 10:18 PM |
Well Its kinda early in the season to be making predictions but I'm going with Diggins,Laukkanen, or Lovell. And for the manufacters championship I think Subaru.
| dwx | 01-29-2003 11:28 PM |
I think Lagemann and Lovell are both better than O'Sullivan (Lagemann due to experience in an open class car), but nobody out there is as good as Diggins. If the car doesn't break, he'll win hands down. I think it'll be a tight race for manufacturer, but Mitsubishi has the #1 driver so they'll likely win it. O'Neil could throw a wrench into the works, I don't know if Laukkanen is driving anything but sno*drift for AV Sport.
Also, Milner will win the Group N title. I think Utecht, who I'd love to see win, and the other guys will duke it out for second. I don't know if any of those guys is running a real full-spec FIA GrpN car like Milner is.
Also, Milner will win the Group N title. I think Utecht, who I'd love to see win, and the other guys will duke it out for second. I don't know if any of those guys is running a real full-spec FIA GrpN car like Milner is.
| nate49509 | 01-30-2003 12:18 AM |
Yea, I wasn't sure if Laukkanen was going to continue driving for av sport after sno-drift, but I hope he does.
| mykrrrr | 01-30-2003 09:31 AM |
I think it's still too early to predict a winner but...
Here are my favs:
Open
1) Diggins
2) Tapio (if he gets a full season w/AV)
3) Lovell or O'Sullivan
Grp. N
1) Milner
2) Utecht
G2
1) Anderson/Rodriguez :lol:
G5
???
Production GT
1) Thomas
2) ???
Production
???
-mykr.
Here are my favs:
Open
1) Diggins
2) Tapio (if he gets a full season w/AV)
3) Lovell or O'Sullivan
Grp. N
1) Milner
2) Utecht
G2
1) Anderson/Rodriguez :lol:
G5
???
Production GT
1) Thomas
2) ???
Production
???
-mykr.
| dch | 01-30-2003 11:45 AM |
The official unofficial rumor mill has it that SRT USA will show up with WRC cars at Rim, sans of course the electronic diffs and sequential gearboxes. This should up the reliability of the cars as the WRC H-pattern gearboxes as well as the rest of the bits are more substantial than what was being used. So you may want to factor that into your predictions, or not... :D
-Doug
-Doug
| 10th Warrior | 01-30-2003 12:19 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dch [/i]
[B]The official unofficial rumor mill has it that SRT USA will show up with WRC cars at Rim, sans of course the electronic diffs and sequential gearboxes. This should up the reliability of the cars as the WRC H-pattern gearboxes as well as the rest of the bits are more substantial than what was being used. So you may want to factor that into your predictions, or not... :D
-Doug [/B][/QUOTE]
2003 Rally rulebook. 10.2 B 6 (pg. 93)
they won't be racing them unless they make them comply with all the Open class rules.
[B]The official unofficial rumor mill has it that SRT USA will show up with WRC cars at Rim, sans of course the electronic diffs and sequential gearboxes. This should up the reliability of the cars as the WRC H-pattern gearboxes as well as the rest of the bits are more substantial than what was being used. So you may want to factor that into your predictions, or not... :D
-Doug [/B][/QUOTE]
2003 Rally rulebook. 10.2 B 6 (pg. 93)
they won't be racing them unless they make them comply with all the Open class rules.
| Jaxx | 01-30-2003 12:35 PM |
oh they will .. dch is abit of an insider
dch:
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dch:
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| Subie Gal | 01-30-2003 01:03 PM |
yeah Doug!!
rally-america.com kicks it!! :D
hmmmmmmmmmm
i am gonna go out on a limb here and stay Subaru loyal!
Pick one... AV Sport... or Subaru USA....
[img]http://www.palmfeilds.co.nz/images/inside/subaru_logo.gif[/img]
drivers have talent, teams have the knowledge...
it will happen... :)
as for me... and PGT... unless i get a sponsor who steps up with some cash... i may not be competing at the pro level this year guys.... :( very uncertain at the moment... i'm paying to REPAIR and BUILD this car, let alone RACE it... :(
but :) at least i'm out there doin it!
Jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
rally-america.com kicks it!! :D
hmmmmmmmmmm
i am gonna go out on a limb here and stay Subaru loyal!
Pick one... AV Sport... or Subaru USA....
[img]http://www.palmfeilds.co.nz/images/inside/subaru_logo.gif[/img]
drivers have talent, teams have the knowledge...
it will happen... :)
as for me... and PGT... unless i get a sponsor who steps up with some cash... i may not be competing at the pro level this year guys.... :( very uncertain at the moment... i'm paying to REPAIR and BUILD this car, let alone RACE it... :(
but :) at least i'm out there doin it!
Jamie
[url]www.subiegalracing.com[/url]
| WagonMonster | 01-30-2003 02:31 PM |
I'm still supporting Subaru, I'm just saying that if I were to place bets on the season, I'd put them on Mitsu.
Remember, I'm the one who, after Sweden 2002, predicted Solberg would finish in the top 3 for the 2002 WRC Season.
mark my words! :D
[SIZE=1]SRT-4[/SIZE]
Remember, I'm the one who, after Sweden 2002, predicted Solberg would finish in the top 3 for the 2002 WRC Season.
mark my words! :D
[SIZE=1]SRT-4[/SIZE]
| mykrrrr | 01-31-2003 08:50 AM |
Jamie - Do the sponsor thing like I mentioned to you before. It might work. :rolleyes:
[b]IF[/b] SRT USA needs to bring modified WRC cars over to beat the other teams; I'd lose alot of respect for them. :(
I want AV to pull through with a full ride for Tapio and a new shell for him to win in. :D
-mykr.
[b]IF[/b] SRT USA needs to bring modified WRC cars over to beat the other teams; I'd lose alot of respect for them. :(
I want AV to pull through with a full ride for Tapio and a new shell for him to win in. :D
-mykr.
| ConeMasher | 01-31-2003 01:39 PM |
Why would you lose respect?
If the cars follow the rules, then more power to them! If a competitor doesn't have a car prepared to the fullest limit of a given set of rules, that's their problem.
-- Gary
If the cars follow the rules, then more power to them! If a competitor doesn't have a car prepared to the fullest limit of a given set of rules, that's their problem.
-- Gary
| Zahnster | 01-31-2003 01:47 PM |
[QUOTE]IF SRT USA needs to bring modified WRC cars over to beat the other teams; I'd lose alot of respect for them. [/QUOTE]
How do you think Subaru entered prorally in the first place?
I think in order to make a WRC car and Open class car, it's mostly about letting the engine make more power.
How do you think Subaru entered prorally in the first place?
I think in order to make a WRC car and Open class car, it's mostly about letting the engine make more power.
| Kha0S | 01-31-2003 01:51 PM |
Rare mistake last weekend for Tim O'Neil -- I wouldn't count on a repeat.
I predict him putting in a solid run for the driver championship. He's probably the single most consistent driver running Open this year.
He nearly managed a Grp N season win last year without running all the events, and with a suspension that wasn't tuned until October.
/Andrew
I predict him putting in a solid run for the driver championship. He's probably the single most consistent driver running Open this year.
He nearly managed a Grp N season win last year without running all the events, and with a suspension that wasn't tuned until October.
/Andrew
| WHTWRX | 01-31-2003 03:31 PM |
AV Sport baby!
| WagonMonster | 01-31-2003 03:52 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Zahnster [/i]
[B]
How do you think Subaru entered prorally in the first place?
I think in order to make a WRC car and Open class car, it's mostly about letting the engine make more power. [/B][/QUOTE]
Dan is correct.
At Rim 2001, Mark Lovell drove a real WRC Spec Car.
Here's a pic, note the Hood and Fenders...
[IMG]http://www.mongomotorsports.com/images/rim/saturday/lovell_mtn.jpg[/IMG]
[B]
How do you think Subaru entered prorally in the first place?
I think in order to make a WRC car and Open class car, it's mostly about letting the engine make more power. [/B][/QUOTE]
Dan is correct.
At Rim 2001, Mark Lovell drove a real WRC Spec Car.
Here's a pic, note the Hood and Fenders...
[IMG]http://www.mongomotorsports.com/images/rim/saturday/lovell_mtn.jpg[/IMG]
| mykrrrr | 01-31-2003 05:25 PM |
[quote]How do you think Subaru entered prorally in the first place?
[/quote] I know that they brought over modified WRC cars but look @ how they destroyed the competition. I didn't just jump on the rally bandwagon like many... :p
I'm saying they should build fresh shells into Open Class SCCA cars and not just go into the UK closet and take a left over Solberg car.
Mitsu probably had the EVO built over in the UK but atleast it's not a thinly vailed WRC car.
Anyway...
-mykr.
[/quote] I know that they brought over modified WRC cars but look @ how they destroyed the competition. I didn't just jump on the rally bandwagon like many... :p
I'm saying they should build fresh shells into Open Class SCCA cars and not just go into the UK closet and take a left over Solberg car.
Mitsu probably had the EVO built over in the UK but atleast it's not a thinly vailed WRC car.
Anyway...
-mykr.
| dch | 01-31-2003 05:33 PM |
WRC car in ProRally
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If you take a WRC car, and remove the yaw computer along with the trick differentials and sequential gearbox, it will meet all of the open class requirements (as long as it weighs in 2700 lbs. or more). Basically it becomes just a very beefy, standard drivetrain type rally car. All of the magic is in the computer controlling the gearbox & diffs to get the phenomenal handling. As for power, they'll be able to run the motor with a 40mm restrictor instead of the normal 34mm, so power should be up from standard WRC spec. Unless they choose not to mess with a known good setup. It's a very good strategy to achieve reliability. It doesn't necessarily mean they'll kick everybody's butt, but it should mean they can get more than 70 stage miles out of a gearbox for Mr. Lovell...
FWIW, there are ongoing discussions in the SCCA about allowing [b]manually shifted[/b] sequential gearboxes in Open class for 2004... The key being no electronic or hydraulic servos allowed to actuate the gear lever. Apparently the argument involves whether it is more or less expensive to produce a manually operated sequential box as opposed to an H-pattern box. Personally I'd love to play with a sequential box, but I don't know where I'd go to get one, or I'd be able to tell you whether it's cheaper than my current box or not.
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Parker, Kristi, Heidi, Al and Pricey did a great job at Sno*Drift with those updates for Rally America. Look for much improvement by Rim, and maybe some information from 100 Acre Wood as well.
-Doug
(yeah I know the web page is ugly, but we'll get to it eventually!)
And from what I could tell, the new Mitsu's are basically brand new Group N cars, with some parts upgraded (probably to Group A). They're absolutely beautiful, and extremely well prepped. They'll continue to get better and better as they have a chance to fine tune 'em as well. Formiddable. It should be a great battle...
FWIW, there are ongoing discussions in the SCCA about allowing [b]manually shifted[/b] sequential gearboxes in Open class for 2004... The key being no electronic or hydraulic servos allowed to actuate the gear lever. Apparently the argument involves whether it is more or less expensive to produce a manually operated sequential box as opposed to an H-pattern box. Personally I'd love to play with a sequential box, but I don't know where I'd go to get one, or I'd be able to tell you whether it's cheaper than my current box or not.
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Parker, Kristi, Heidi, Al and Pricey did a great job at Sno*Drift with those updates for Rally America. Look for much improvement by Rim, and maybe some information from 100 Acre Wood as well.
-Doug
(yeah I know the web page is ugly, but we'll get to it eventually!)
And from what I could tell, the new Mitsu's are basically brand new Group N cars, with some parts upgraded (probably to Group A). They're absolutely beautiful, and extremely well prepped. They'll continue to get better and better as they have a chance to fine tune 'em as well. Formiddable. It should be a great battle...
| WagonMonster | 01-31-2003 06:11 PM |
FYI
The WRC Car that Lovell drove for the first half of the 2001 SCCA Season, as pictured above, had the full WRC-Spec Sequential transmission.
The WRC Car that Lovell drove for the first half of the 2001 SCCA Season, as pictured above, had the full WRC-Spec Sequential transmission.
| MJH | 01-31-2003 08:24 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Planet Telex [/i]
[B]FYI
The WRC Car that Lovell drove for the first half of the 2001 SCCA Season, as pictured above, had the full WRC-Spec Sequential transmission. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not to get too overly-technical, but they actually started the year in GC-8's as their presence wasn't "official" until after that rally.
Lovell ran Sno-Drift in a warmed-over Group N car.
[B]FYI
The WRC Car that Lovell drove for the first half of the 2001 SCCA Season, as pictured above, had the full WRC-Spec Sequential transmission. [/B][/QUOTE]
Not to get too overly-technical, but they actually started the year in GC-8's as their presence wasn't "official" until after that rally.
Lovell ran Sno-Drift in a warmed-over Group N car.
| dch | 02-02-2003 02:10 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Planet Telex [/i]
[B]FYI
The WRC Car that Lovell drove for the first half of the 2001 SCCA Season, as pictured above, had the full WRC-Spec Sequential transmission. [/B][/QUOTE]
Which is what prompted the new rules excluding sequential gearboxes and electronic controls. It wasn't much of a competition, unless you could show up in your own all-doing WRC car too.
That white N car Lovell started in was an awesome car. It had gone through an extensive weight reduction program, and handled extremely well. Lovell said he really loved that car... He also said that with the WRC car, there were other issues to contend with. On one stage that was delayed long enough to warrant shutting off the motor, the control worker announced that they would be starting the stage in two minutes (Lovell was first on the road). Lovell told the worker "I can't even get the car [b]started[/b] in two minutes!" Apparently there's a lot of mumbo-jumbo you need to do with all of the various on-board computers... Everything has its tradeoffs, eh?
-Doug
[B]FYI
The WRC Car that Lovell drove for the first half of the 2001 SCCA Season, as pictured above, had the full WRC-Spec Sequential transmission. [/B][/QUOTE]
Which is what prompted the new rules excluding sequential gearboxes and electronic controls. It wasn't much of a competition, unless you could show up in your own all-doing WRC car too.
That white N car Lovell started in was an awesome car. It had gone through an extensive weight reduction program, and handled extremely well. Lovell said he really loved that car... He also said that with the WRC car, there were other issues to contend with. On one stage that was delayed long enough to warrant shutting off the motor, the control worker announced that they would be starting the stage in two minutes (Lovell was first on the road). Lovell told the worker "I can't even get the car [b]started[/b] in two minutes!" Apparently there's a lot of mumbo-jumbo you need to do with all of the various on-board computers... Everything has its tradeoffs, eh?
-Doug
| Jaxx | 02-02-2003 06:43 PM |
Doug does Rally-America need volunteers there is no contact info on the web site ..
I will be at am going to try and be at rim/pikes peak/Oregon trail/wild west
-Jared
I will be at am going to try and be at rim/pikes peak/Oregon trail/wild west
-Jared
| Keith99RS | 02-02-2003 07:35 PM |
Somebody needs to raise the bar or American Rallying will stagnate. Good for Subaru for encouraging it. If Mitsubishi is smart, it will follow Subaru's lead and get more factory involvement going. Especially with the EVO coming. The idea of racing is to follow the rules and be faster than everybody else, not waterdown all the cars so they run the same speed. Look at how boring restrctor plate racing is for NASCAR.
| mykrrrr | 02-03-2003 08:43 AM |
WOW...I never thought my comments would spark such debate. :lol:
I never said to "dumb down" the SCCA Open class but to come with a full WRC car is rediculous. Unless you DNF, you're gonna win.
One of the GC8s that Prodrive campaigned @ Sno*Drift 2 yrs. ago was the one the Tapio took 2nd place @ Sno*Drift this year. :D
It's now being retired by AV Sport...wish it was being "retired" to me. :lol:
-mykr.
I never said to "dumb down" the SCCA Open class but to come with a full WRC car is rediculous. Unless you DNF, you're gonna win.
One of the GC8s that Prodrive campaigned @ Sno*Drift 2 yrs. ago was the one the Tapio took 2nd place @ Sno*Drift this year. :D
It's now being retired by AV Sport...wish it was being "retired" to me. :lol:
-mykr.
| Jaxx | 02-03-2003 11:41 AM |
hmmm ok ... so pardon my ignorance but what is the differance between the WRC car and the "normal" scca spec car (with the transmission/differntial exceptions)
i got to paw around one at oregon trail
the suspesnions are totaly custom .. new cross members a-arms basicly 100% differnt than a stock WRX
have a LARGER restrictor than a WRC car
brakes = the same
can't speak for the engine .. but it uses the same piping/intake/headders as a wrc car
the only real differnt i can tell is the body work .. but since its at minimum weight carbon friber woudn't make that much of a differncnce any way .. perhaps the new giant wing/scoop will help..
i got to paw around one at oregon trail
the suspesnions are totaly custom .. new cross members a-arms basicly 100% differnt than a stock WRX
have a LARGER restrictor than a WRC car
brakes = the same
can't speak for the engine .. but it uses the same piping/intake/headders as a wrc car
the only real differnt i can tell is the body work .. but since its at minimum weight carbon friber woudn't make that much of a differncnce any way .. perhaps the new giant wing/scoop will help..
| Templar | 02-04-2003 10:53 AM |
Ok, I may be way off here since I don't follow the rules of SCCA pro-rally that much, but isn't an open class car allowed on adjusted displacement of 5.1 liters. Which means that Subaru could be running the STi engine (2.5 x1.7=4.25). Heck, that engine could be easily modified to produce way more horsepower than the WRC cars are running. And of course, Mitsubishi doesn't have the option of falling back on new WRC technology anymore, since the no longer have a program, at least for this season.(Tommi leaves and everything goes to hell).
I personally loved it when Subaru brought the WRC car over. It made everyone sit up and take notice. I, to be perfectly honest didn't care until Subaru started backing a factory team. I wish that they would ALL bring there WRC cars over, Subaru, Ford...everybody. Then we could see the sport pushing the envelope, and I would be more than willing to be that attendance and viewership (which are already on the rise) would skyrocket. Watch out NASCAR cause drivers with real talent, and cars with technology that is newer than 40 years old are coming.
I personally loved it when Subaru brought the WRC car over. It made everyone sit up and take notice. I, to be perfectly honest didn't care until Subaru started backing a factory team. I wish that they would ALL bring there WRC cars over, Subaru, Ford...everybody. Then we could see the sport pushing the envelope, and I would be more than willing to be that attendance and viewership (which are already on the rise) would skyrocket. Watch out NASCAR cause drivers with real talent, and cars with technology that is newer than 40 years old are coming.
| Thug | 02-04-2003 11:28 AM |
I suspect they'll continue to use the 2.0L because it is more bulletproof than the 2.5L.
And the reason every team doesnt bring their WRC cars over is because they cost near $1 Million each.
And the reason every team doesnt bring their WRC cars over is because they cost near $1 Million each.
| dch | 02-04-2003 03:24 PM |
Jaxx, and anybody else that's interested, Rally America (the hyphen is only for the web address) will be doing updates from Rim. If you're out there and you've got a good story or a cool photo and you want to post it in an update, by all means cruise into the commo van. Al will be manning the "console" and provided we have the proper assortment of memory card readers up and running he should be able to make it happen. We need all the info we can get!
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Stock STi bits are stronger than stock non-STi bits that we get on our cars here. Since Group N is basically a production class (in the rest of the world), a Group N Subaru will be made with mostly STi bits. Prodrive takes stock STi bits, and modifies or re-engineers them to produce higher levels of bits such as Group A or WRC. Group A is sort of defunct now, but the bits are significantly stronger than Group N bits. Before WRC, Group A & B were the schiznit. WRC sort of replaced Group A as the premier level of the sport overseas, and Prodrive has continued to evolve the WRC parts lineup as well as expand into the computer controlled aspect. So the new Subaru WRC cars to be run in the SCCA will contain the latest, beefiest Prodrive engineered components from the highest level (WRC) minus the electronic stuff. They're going to run older ('98?) WRC gearboxes that are H-pattern custom designed Prodrive jobbies without the electronic controls. They're flippin' expensive but are basically from that whole Group A era and will supposedly last a whole season before they need a rebuild. Last years cars (and mine) contain a smattering of STi, Group A and WRC bits. Gearboxes are 6-speed STi boxes with 5-speed dog gearsets and some internal machining/bearing rework. Hewland manufactures the gears exclusively for Prodrive, and between the two of them they don't quite have it all figured out yet because Lovell gets about 70 stage miles from one of those boxes. So what they're after is increased reliability, as they didn't have a whole lot of it last year.
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The SCCA rules talk about "adjusted displacement". For Open class, the factor is 1.7 times displacement for a turbo motor. Adjusted displacement must be below 5100cc, which means in theory you could run up to a 3.0L turbo motor. However, there's another clause in the rules that says if you're over 4000cc adjusted displacement, you have to run a 36mm restrictor instead of the 40mm so it won't breathe as well. My guess is Subaru will show up with a 2.0L WRC motor re-mapped for a 40mm restrictor. They may just say good enough is good enough because of the extensive time spent mapping the motor for a 34mm restrictor though (I believe they left the 34mm restrictor on the original all-singing all-dancing WRC car they brought over previously). I'll let you know if I hear which way they're going to go...
-Doug
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Stock STi bits are stronger than stock non-STi bits that we get on our cars here. Since Group N is basically a production class (in the rest of the world), a Group N Subaru will be made with mostly STi bits. Prodrive takes stock STi bits, and modifies or re-engineers them to produce higher levels of bits such as Group A or WRC. Group A is sort of defunct now, but the bits are significantly stronger than Group N bits. Before WRC, Group A & B were the schiznit. WRC sort of replaced Group A as the premier level of the sport overseas, and Prodrive has continued to evolve the WRC parts lineup as well as expand into the computer controlled aspect. So the new Subaru WRC cars to be run in the SCCA will contain the latest, beefiest Prodrive engineered components from the highest level (WRC) minus the electronic stuff. They're going to run older ('98?) WRC gearboxes that are H-pattern custom designed Prodrive jobbies without the electronic controls. They're flippin' expensive but are basically from that whole Group A era and will supposedly last a whole season before they need a rebuild. Last years cars (and mine) contain a smattering of STi, Group A and WRC bits. Gearboxes are 6-speed STi boxes with 5-speed dog gearsets and some internal machining/bearing rework. Hewland manufactures the gears exclusively for Prodrive, and between the two of them they don't quite have it all figured out yet because Lovell gets about 70 stage miles from one of those boxes. So what they're after is increased reliability, as they didn't have a whole lot of it last year.
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The SCCA rules talk about "adjusted displacement". For Open class, the factor is 1.7 times displacement for a turbo motor. Adjusted displacement must be below 5100cc, which means in theory you could run up to a 3.0L turbo motor. However, there's another clause in the rules that says if you're over 4000cc adjusted displacement, you have to run a 36mm restrictor instead of the 40mm so it won't breathe as well. My guess is Subaru will show up with a 2.0L WRC motor re-mapped for a 40mm restrictor. They may just say good enough is good enough because of the extensive time spent mapping the motor for a 34mm restrictor though (I believe they left the 34mm restrictor on the original all-singing all-dancing WRC car they brought over previously). I'll let you know if I hear which way they're going to go...
-Doug
| aspera | 02-21-2003 03:23 AM |
Is there any way a person could tell by looking what size motor or restrictor the car is running? Aside from finding an "EJ25" stamped on the block, is there another way? Would a noticeably larger turbo be a giveaway?
| aspera | 02-24-2003 01:20 AM |
DSMs and EVOs galore
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I saw more EVOs at the 100 Acre Woods Rally this weekend than I've ever seen in my life. Few Scoobs finished the race.:( The neat thing about the EVOs is just how nasty they sound. They sound mean.
| Jewbaru | 02-24-2003 12:41 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by y2k4door [/i]
[B]I suspect they'll continue to use the 2.0L because it is more bulletproof than the 2.5L.
And the reason every team doesnt bring their WRC cars over is because they cost near $1 Million each. [/B][/QUOTE]
that, and didn't they change the rules to outlaw things like the manumatic tranny, and the differential setup to prevent what happened when Subaru decided to show off the WRC car here?
[B]I suspect they'll continue to use the 2.0L because it is more bulletproof than the 2.5L.
And the reason every team doesnt bring their WRC cars over is because they cost near $1 Million each. [/B][/QUOTE]
that, and didn't they change the rules to outlaw things like the manumatic tranny, and the differential setup to prevent what happened when Subaru decided to show off the WRC car here?
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