| powerlabs | 04-06-2006 01:47 AM |
JDM Swap; what class in autox?
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In what class would a 1999 2.5RS running a 1999 JDM WRX engine run in autocross? I would imagine SM since its got an engine swap, but appearently there is some kind of catch with using JDM engines?
| Butt Dyno | 04-06-2006 01:55 AM |
[url]http://www.scca.com/_filelibrary/File/2006_solo_rules.pdf[/url]
| zzyzx | 04-06-2006 02:00 AM |
SM. No, there's no "catch".
| DrBiggly | 04-06-2006 10:24 AM |
[QUOTE=zzyzx]SM. No, there's no "catch".[/QUOTE]
That's pretty well my thought on it. :)
-Biggly
That's pretty well my thought on it. :)
-Biggly
| fliz | 04-06-2006 10:36 AM |
Did you replace the front crossmember? If so, you're not technically eligible for SM.
Nobody's going to call you for it at a local event, however.
Nobody's going to call you for it at a local event, however.
| powerlabs | 04-06-2006 12:15 PM |
Thanks, that's what I've always thought and run. I think my friend who said this is just looking for an excuse to put me in a higher PAX time class :lol:
| Storm | 04-06-2006 12:38 PM |
The weenie who files paper for a crossmember that only provides clearance for exhaust without changing any geometry should be pummeled by the rest of the class.... Piss-ant protest imho.....
Jay Storm
Jay Storm
| SloRice | 04-06-2006 01:18 PM |
^^^^SHUSH!!! I don't want any GC8's with STI engine and drivetrains in my class....my car is still fat. :lol:
| Scoobyslack1 | 04-06-2006 02:24 PM |
[QUOTE=SloRice]^^^^SHUSH!!! I don't want any GC8's with STI engine and drivetrains in my class....my car is still fat. :lol:[/QUOTE]
that's your own fault ;)
[SIZE=2](says the guy w/sub 2700lb turbo GC)[/SIZE]
that's your own fault ;)
[SIZE=2](says the guy w/sub 2700lb turbo GC)[/SIZE]
| powerlabs | 04-06-2006 02:35 PM |
[QUOTE=Scoobyslack1]that's your own fault ;)
[SIZE=2](says the guy w/sub 2700lb turbo GC)[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Wow, how did you get yours so light?
Mine weights 2880LBS with 1/4 tank. :D
[SIZE=2](says the guy w/sub 2700lb turbo GC)[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Wow, how did you get yours so light?
Mine weights 2880LBS with 1/4 tank. :D
| Kostamojen | 04-06-2006 02:48 PM |
What sucks is my RS swaped L runs in SM too :( Its basically JUST an RS, minus ABS and ~150lbs...
Anyway, more info on your car powerlabs and we can figure out how to save some weight. My guess is partially that you do have the 97-01 chassis not the 93-96... But I dont remember what slack has exactly.
Anyway, more info on your car powerlabs and we can figure out how to save some weight. My guess is partially that you do have the 97-01 chassis not the 93-96... But I dont remember what slack has exactly.
| adhowe70 | 04-06-2006 04:08 PM |
[QUOTE=Storm]The weenie who files paper for a crossmember that only provides clearance for exhaust without changing any geometry should be pummeled by the rest of the class.... Piss-ant protest imho.....
Jay Storm[/QUOTE]
I disagree. The rule is what it is. There is a legal way to run a turbo in a GC chassis. It involves a custom up pipe. That's legal.
Andy H.
3 liters, 2500 pounds, SM legal
Jay Storm[/QUOTE]
I disagree. The rule is what it is. There is a legal way to run a turbo in a GC chassis. It involves a custom up pipe. That's legal.
Andy H.
3 liters, 2500 pounds, SM legal
| powerlabs | 04-06-2006 04:15 PM |
[QUOTE=Kostamojen]What sucks is my RS swaped L runs in SM too :( Its basically JUST an RS, minus ABS and ~150lbs...
Anyway, more info on your car powerlabs and we can figure out how to save some weight. My guess is partially that you do have the 97-01 chassis not the 93-96... But I dont remember what slack has exactly.[/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.powerlabs.org/jdmsubaru.htm]All the info you could possibly hope for on my car[/URL]
Anyway, more info on your car powerlabs and we can figure out how to save some weight. My guess is partially that you do have the 97-01 chassis not the 93-96... But I dont remember what slack has exactly.[/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.powerlabs.org/jdmsubaru.htm]All the info you could possibly hope for on my car[/URL]
| Scoobyslack1 | 04-06-2006 05:28 PM |
[QUOTE=powerlabs]Wow, how did you get yours so light?
Mine weights 2880LBS with 1/4 tank. :D[/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.pastelitoracing.com/forum/garage.php?mode=view_vehicle&CID=27&sid=46c0bc137385bcb5395df88900b6ee9a]my car[/URL]
not SM legal anymore, now in XP....almost down to 2600lbs in race trim now :devil:
Mine weights 2880LBS with 1/4 tank. :D[/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.pastelitoracing.com/forum/garage.php?mode=view_vehicle&CID=27&sid=46c0bc137385bcb5395df88900b6ee9a]my car[/URL]
not SM legal anymore, now in XP....almost down to 2600lbs in race trim now :devil:
| flyboymike | 04-06-2006 05:32 PM |
[QUOTE=Kostamojen]What sucks is my RS swaped L runs in SM too :( Its basically JUST an RS, minus ABS and ~150lbs...
Anyway, more info on your car powerlabs and we can figure out how to save some weight. My guess is partially that you do have the 97-01 chassis not the 93-96... But I dont remember what slack has exactly.[/QUOTE]
Could you run it in the Street Prepared category that the RS is allowed into, or are they not on the same line?
Anyway, more info on your car powerlabs and we can figure out how to save some weight. My guess is partially that you do have the 97-01 chassis not the 93-96... But I dont remember what slack has exactly.[/QUOTE]
Could you run it in the Street Prepared category that the RS is allowed into, or are they not on the same line?
| Kostamojen | 04-06-2006 10:37 PM |
[QUOTE=powerlabs][URL=http://www.powerlabs.org/jdmsubaru.htm]All the info you could possibly hope for on my car[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Scoobyslack1][URL=http://www.pastelitoracing.com/forum/garage.php?mode=view_vehicle&CID=27&sid=46c0bc137385bcb5395df88900b6ee9a]my car[/URL]
not SM legal anymore, now in XP....almost down to 2600lbs in race trim now :devil:[/QUOTE]
I would say 2860lbs would be about right for your car Powerlabs. You could take some stuff out of your trunk, loose the rear seats, run the RS wheels more often (dont know which wheels you weighed the car with) and maybe loose the stereo and extra equipment to get to 2800lbs.
Slack has the '96 which means the chassis weighs less to start with. He also doesnt have ABS, much of an interior, or any of his stock (heavy) seats. Plus, he has a modified bumper beam, coilover suspension (lighter), and 2-pot WRX brakes instead...
I definatly see ~200lbs of difference there, even though slack has a rollcage :p
[QUOTE=Scoobyslack1][URL=http://www.pastelitoracing.com/forum/garage.php?mode=view_vehicle&CID=27&sid=46c0bc137385bcb5395df88900b6ee9a]my car[/URL]
not SM legal anymore, now in XP....almost down to 2600lbs in race trim now :devil:[/QUOTE]
I would say 2860lbs would be about right for your car Powerlabs. You could take some stuff out of your trunk, loose the rear seats, run the RS wheels more often (dont know which wheels you weighed the car with) and maybe loose the stereo and extra equipment to get to 2800lbs.
Slack has the '96 which means the chassis weighs less to start with. He also doesnt have ABS, much of an interior, or any of his stock (heavy) seats. Plus, he has a modified bumper beam, coilover suspension (lighter), and 2-pot WRX brakes instead...
I definatly see ~200lbs of difference there, even though slack has a rollcage :p
| Kostamojen | 04-06-2006 10:39 PM |
[QUOTE=flyboymike]Could you run it in the Street Prepared category that the RS is allowed into, or are they not on the same line?[/QUOTE]
I'd have to check, but IIRC, since I have an L and not an RS, its not a model update so I have to go to SM for sure...
I'm curious now if you could run the 06 WRX motor in an 02 WRX and if it would be considered an update?
I'd have to check, but IIRC, since I have an L and not an RS, its not a model update so I have to go to SM for sure...
I'm curious now if you could run the 06 WRX motor in an 02 WRX and if it would be considered an update?
| Calamity Jesus | 04-06-2006 11:05 PM |
[QUOTE=Storm]The weenie who files paper for a crossmember that only provides clearance for exhaust without changing any geometry should be pummeled by the rest of the class.... Piss-ant protest imho.....
Jay Storm[/QUOTE]It also allows for a large front swaybar. ;)
Jay Storm[/QUOTE]It also allows for a large front swaybar. ;)
| powerlabs | 04-06-2006 11:20 PM |
[QUOTE=Beaverboy]It also allows for a large front swaybar. ;)[/QUOTE]
You can run a larger front swaybar on a stock crossmember too. Whiteline makes them.
You can run a larger front swaybar on a stock crossmember too. Whiteline makes them.
| Homemade WRX | 04-06-2006 11:36 PM |
[QUOTE=Scoobyslack1][URL=http://www.pastelitoracing.com/forum/garage.php?mode=view_vehicle&CID=27&sid=46c0bc137385bcb5395df88900b6ee9a]my car[/URL]
not SM legal anymore, now in XP....almost down to 2600lbs in race trim now :devil:[/QUOTE]
I love it...makes me want to get a coupe again...but then I'd have to move my swap/parts over to that...
my car is 2750, but needs to go on a diet...I still have the non functioning ABS crap sitting in it...
not SM legal anymore, now in XP....almost down to 2600lbs in race trim now :devil:[/QUOTE]
I love it...makes me want to get a coupe again...but then I'd have to move my swap/parts over to that...
my car is 2750, but needs to go on a diet...I still have the non functioning ABS crap sitting in it...
| Storm | 04-06-2006 11:39 PM |
[QUOTE=flyboymike]Could you run it in the Street Prepared category that the RS is allowed into, or are they not on the same line?[/QUOTE]The rulebook only calls out Impreza, 2.5 for DSP. There is no "RS" designation in the rulebook.....:rolleyes:
FSP only says Impreza, NOC. So if the DSP line is supposed to automatically identify only the RS... Where does the new 2.5i go? FSP? It is not a 2.5RS as called out in DSP. Unless DSP is supposed to now include Impreza 2.5, [I]all[/I] which would be quite interesting.....
;)
Jay Storm
FSP only says Impreza, NOC. So if the DSP line is supposed to automatically identify only the RS... Where does the new 2.5i go? FSP? It is not a 2.5RS as called out in DSP. Unless DSP is supposed to now include Impreza 2.5, [I]all[/I] which would be quite interesting.....
;)
Jay Storm
| fliz | 04-07-2006 01:00 AM |
[QUOTE=adhowe70]I disagree. The rule is what it is. There is a legal way to run a turbo in a GC chassis. It involves a custom up pipe. That's legal.
Andy H.
3 liters, 2500 pounds, SM legal[/QUOTE]
No need for a custom uppipe. Clearancing the stock crossmember for exhaust fitment is perfectly legal.
Andy H.
3 liters, 2500 pounds, SM legal[/QUOTE]
No need for a custom uppipe. Clearancing the stock crossmember for exhaust fitment is perfectly legal.
| Storm | 04-07-2006 01:05 AM |
[QUOTE=fliz]No need for a custom uppipe. Clearancing the stock crossmember for exhaust fitment is perfectly legal.[/QUOTE]That would be the route I would take. It does question whether an OEM part that does the same thing without any geometry changes or reduction in weight should be allowed.
Rules is rules...but I wouldn't throw paper at it.:rolleyes:
Rules is rules...but I wouldn't throw paper at it.:rolleyes:
| powerlabs | 04-07-2006 11:22 AM |
Another Autox related question:
What if the engine I am swapping in is newer than the car? E.G. A Version 8 JDM STI block on a 1999 RS?
What if the engine I am swapping in is newer than the car? E.G. A Version 8 JDM STI block on a 1999 RS?
| fliz | 04-07-2006 11:25 AM |
[QUOTE=powerlabs]Another Autox related question:
What if the engine I am swapping in is newer than the car? E.G. A Version 8 JDM STI block on a 1999 RS?[/QUOTE]
Makes no difference...still SM. Any mfr. engine within the displacement limits is within SM rules.
For example, Phil's '04 USDM STi block in his RS is SM legal. Or it would be if he took the engine off a stand and put it in the car. ;)
What if the engine I am swapping in is newer than the car? E.G. A Version 8 JDM STI block on a 1999 RS?[/QUOTE]
Makes no difference...still SM. Any mfr. engine within the displacement limits is within SM rules.
For example, Phil's '04 USDM STi block in his RS is SM legal. Or it would be if he took the engine off a stand and put it in the car. ;)
| powerlabs | 04-07-2006 11:56 AM |
[QUOTE=fliz]Makes no difference...still SM. Any mfr. engine within the displacement limits is within SM rules.
For example, Phil's '04 USDM STi block in his RS is SM legal. Or it would be if he took the engine off a stand and put it in the car. ;)[/QUOTE]
Thanks.
Oh, and Phil's car is still not done??? :eek:
For example, Phil's '04 USDM STi block in his RS is SM legal. Or it would be if he took the engine off a stand and put it in the car. ;)[/QUOTE]
Thanks.
Oh, and Phil's car is still not done??? :eek:
| Chin | 04-07-2006 01:07 PM |
[QUOTE=powerlabs]Wow, how did you get yours so light?
Mine weights 2880LBS with 1/4 tank. :D[/QUOTE]
My '00 RS is just under 2700# in DSP trim (no swap). You can loose weight....
Christian
Mine weights 2880LBS with 1/4 tank. :D[/QUOTE]
My '00 RS is just under 2700# in DSP trim (no swap). You can loose weight....
Christian
| powerlabs | 04-07-2006 01:17 PM |
[QUOTE=Chin]My '00 RS is just under 2700# in DSP trim (no swap). You can loose weight....
Christian[/QUOTE]
What did you remove?
Christian[/QUOTE]
What did you remove?
| Chin | 04-07-2006 01:21 PM |
[QUOTE=powerlabs]What did you remove?[/QUOTE]
Lots.... ;)
A/C
Race Bucket (driver only, now)
All stereo equipment
Spare/Jack/etc
LW Flywheel (only ~8lb savings)
Rear seatbelts
...more that I cannot remember right now.
Christian
Lots.... ;)
A/C
Race Bucket (driver only, now)
All stereo equipment
Spare/Jack/etc
LW Flywheel (only ~8lb savings)
Rear seatbelts
...more that I cannot remember right now.
Christian
| adhowe70 | 04-07-2006 03:27 PM |
Where do the SP rules allow removal of the rear seatbelts? I don't recall seeing that. SM permits it, but I don't think SP does.
| Chin | 04-07-2006 03:34 PM |
[QUOTE=adhowe70]Where do the SP rules allow removal of the rear seatbelts? I don't recall seeing that. SM permits it, but I don't think SP does.[/QUOTE]
E. Any front seat may be used, provided the seating surface is fully
upholstered. This does not permit the substitution of a
passenger�s seat with a child or miniature seat of any type. Any
substituted passenger�s seat must be sufficiently large and
strong to be capable of adequately accommodating an adult,
such that it could be used as the driver�s seat. Cars may have no
fewer than the original number of seats. The seat tracks are
considered part of the seat and may be substituted. Alternate
seat tracks may serve no other purpose. The OE seat belts may
be removed to facilitate the installation of alternate restraints
complying with safety requirements.
That is where it came from (several years back)...now I have to look into this since I didn't replace them.....why I thought this was ok when I did it, I don't remember.
Christian
E. Any front seat may be used, provided the seating surface is fully
upholstered. This does not permit the substitution of a
passenger�s seat with a child or miniature seat of any type. Any
substituted passenger�s seat must be sufficiently large and
strong to be capable of adequately accommodating an adult,
such that it could be used as the driver�s seat. Cars may have no
fewer than the original number of seats. The seat tracks are
considered part of the seat and may be substituted. Alternate
seat tracks may serve no other purpose. The OE seat belts may
be removed to facilitate the installation of alternate restraints
complying with safety requirements.
That is where it came from (several years back)...now I have to look into this since I didn't replace them.....why I thought this was ok when I did it, I don't remember.
Christian
| Storm | 04-07-2006 03:54 PM |
I think what is in question above is the allowance to remove the REAR belts which would not be covered by the replacement of the FRONT belts with a harness. I'm pretty sure you need to retain the rear belts....especially since you must retain the rear seat.
They don't weigh that much anyway. Our 98RS was under 2700 as well in DSP trim with 16x7 RH CP-035 and 245-45 A3SO3s, although the current wheel/tire combo probably brings us right up to 2700 again.
They don't weigh that much anyway. Our 98RS was under 2700 as well in DSP trim with 16x7 RH CP-035 and 245-45 A3SO3s, although the current wheel/tire combo probably brings us right up to 2700 again.
| Chin | 04-07-2006 04:04 PM |
[QUOTE=Storm]I think what is in question above is the allowance to remove the REAR belts which would not be covered by the replacement of the FRONT belts with a harness. I'm pretty sure you need to retain the rear belts....especially since you must retain the rear seat.
They don't weigh that much anyway. Our 98RS was under 2700 as well in DSP trim with 16x7 RH CP-035 and 245-45 A3SO3s, although the current wheel/tire combo probably brings us right up to 2700 again.[/QUOTE]
Agreed....however, if I was replacing the rear seatbelts with harnesses, that would be a different story... ;)
Christian
They don't weigh that much anyway. Our 98RS was under 2700 as well in DSP trim with 16x7 RH CP-035 and 245-45 A3SO3s, although the current wheel/tire combo probably brings us right up to 2700 again.[/QUOTE]
Agreed....however, if I was replacing the rear seatbelts with harnesses, that would be a different story... ;)
Christian
| Storm | 04-07-2006 04:48 PM |
[QUOTE=Chin]Agreed....however, if I was replacing the rear seatbelts with harnesses, that would be a different story... ;)
Christian[/QUOTE]I was gonna write that exception in my above post...but since you aren't talking about an STi or an EVO....I figured who else would put harnesses in the front and back. Those 2 cars are instant carnival rides when packed full.....:lol:
Christian[/QUOTE]I was gonna write that exception in my above post...but since you aren't talking about an STi or an EVO....I figured who else would put harnesses in the front and back. Those 2 cars are instant carnival rides when packed full.....:lol:
| flyboymike | 04-08-2006 01:43 AM |
[QUOTE=Kostamojen]I'd have to check, but IIRC, since I have an L and not an RS, its not a model update so I have to go to SM for sure...
I'm curious now if you could run the 06 WRX motor in an 02 WRX and if it would be considered an update?[/QUOTE]
I thought the WRX for all years was on the same line in ESP... I thought it was something you could do. That would be a lot of fun.
I'm curious now if you could run the 06 WRX motor in an 02 WRX and if it would be considered an update?[/QUOTE]
I thought the WRX for all years was on the same line in ESP... I thought it was something you could do. That would be a lot of fun.
| 575rider | 04-08-2006 02:31 AM |
[QUOTE=flyboymike]I thought the WRX for all years was on the same line in ESP... I thought it was something you could do. That would be a lot of fun.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure it would put you in SM since the 06 motor is 2.5L and would probably classify as internal engine modifications.
I'm pretty sure it would put you in SM since the 06 motor is 2.5L and would probably classify as internal engine modifications.
| Pakin | 04-08-2006 03:58 AM |
Now how about a GD-based Crossmemeber on a GC/GM chassis accomodating a swap?
| cowapult | 04-08-2006 09:18 PM |
[QUOTE=Scoobyslack1][url="http://www.pastelitoracing.com/forum/garage.php?mode=view_vehicle&CID=27&sid=46c0bc137385bcb5395df88900b6ee9a"]my car[/url]
not SM legal anymore, now in XP....almost down to 2600lbs in race trim now :devil:[/QUOTE]
Your car is exactly what I'd like to do - get my RS and my SS together, play a little Barry White, and make a 22B WannaB.
Do you know a good writeup anwhere of what it takes to swap SS parts into an old Impreza?
not SM legal anymore, now in XP....almost down to 2600lbs in race trim now :devil:[/QUOTE]
Your car is exactly what I'd like to do - get my RS and my SS together, play a little Barry White, and make a 22B WannaB.
Do you know a good writeup anwhere of what it takes to swap SS parts into an old Impreza?
| Kostamojen | 04-08-2006 09:36 PM |
[QUOTE=cowapult]
Do you know a good writeup anwhere of what it takes to swap SS parts into an old Impreza?[/QUOTE]
What year?
Do you know a good writeup anwhere of what it takes to swap SS parts into an old Impreza?[/QUOTE]
What year?
| cowapult | 04-08-2006 09:50 PM |
Any Pre-OBDII year. I know there's probably lots of posts and threads about it, but I'm asking about a pretty comprehensive how-to
| adhowe70 | 04-08-2006 11:02 PM |
[QUOTE=Pakin]Now how about a GD-based Crossmemeber on a GC/GM chassis accomodating a swap?[/QUOTE]
SM does not allow alternate subframes / crossmembers. Period.
There is an allowance for modifying the OE part but significant restrictions on the how and why of the modifying.
SM does not allow alternate subframes / crossmembers. Period.
There is an allowance for modifying the OE part but significant restrictions on the how and why of the modifying.
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