| dFunk | 08-27-2005 01:15 PM |
know what this is? (paint related) how to get rid of it
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hey guys, i bought my car two weeks ago. when i picked it up, it was all waxed and nicely detailed. after a few days of rain we had, these little dots started to show up on the paint. it's ALL over my trunk, hood, and roof. they're not water spots because they're a lot smaller. i have no idea what it is and if any of you guys know what it is and what i could do to get rid of it, please tell me. or else i'll probably just end up going to the dealer and ask them. would they fix it under warranty though?
here are the pics
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/phanomenon/DSC01511.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/phanomenon/DSC01513.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/phanomenon/DSC01514.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/phanomenon/DSC01512.jpg[/IMG]
help!
here are the pics
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/phanomenon/DSC01511.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/phanomenon/DSC01513.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/phanomenon/DSC01514.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/phanomenon/DSC01512.jpg[/IMG]
help!
| Xymox | 08-27-2005 01:16 PM |
Sap? Acid rain?
| thisisbrock | 08-27-2005 01:19 PM |
i see swirls....and the other stuff........is it in the paint? have you tried to claybar?
| advanracing62 | 08-27-2005 02:20 PM |
buff job?
| jamesonc | 08-27-2005 02:29 PM |
I'd try claying that thing first, then maybe some cutting polish with a cutting pad if the claybar doesn't take it off, PM me if you have any questions.
| 03STAGE2 | 08-27-2005 07:54 PM |
Where do you park it? It looks like pine sap.
Is there any on the glass?
Is there any on the glass?
| joeyb7 | 08-28-2005 12:10 AM |
try clay for sure... looks like sap or rain spots....clay, polish & wax.
| dFunk | 08-28-2005 09:49 AM |
there's none on the glass, i park in my driveway but this has never happened to my old car or anyone else who's parked in the driveway. do you think if the claybar doesn't work, the dealership would take care of it?
| darknightohio | 08-28-2005 10:04 AM |
I have the exact same problem with my paint. I tried paint cleaner, polish and clay bar, but none of them worked. dFunk let me know if you solve the problem.
| dFunk | 08-28-2005 12:31 PM |
[QUOTE=darknightohio]I have the exact same problem with my paint. I tried paint cleaner, polish and clay bar, but none of them worked. dFunk let me know if you solve the problem.[/QUOTE]
are yours as bad as mine are? this really sucks, and on top of that, it being a black car :mad:
are yours as bad as mine are? this really sucks, and on top of that, it being a black car :mad:
| KamiKaziBoarder | 08-28-2005 03:25 PM |
I usually use the Zymal Cleaner wax to get out all the water spots. It works well. My car is spotless.
| dFunk | 08-28-2005 03:29 PM |
thing is, i don't think they're water spots, they're much smaller and just looks different
| jamesonc | 08-28-2005 04:45 PM |
[url]www.poorboysworld.com[/url] order some ssr 2.5 and some 2.0. That stuff's the best cutting polish on the friggin market in my opinion.
| jetfan2207 | 08-28-2005 04:53 PM |
Try washing it, claybaring it, etc. If it's still there, bring it to the dealer. if they give you a problem (which they probably will) then contact SOA. keep us posted.
good luck,
Steve
good luck,
Steve
| joeyb7 | 08-28-2005 04:54 PM |
[QUOTE=jamesonc][url]www.poorboysworld.com[/url] order some ssr 2.5 and some 2.0. That stuff's the best cutting polish on the friggin market in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I agree... even SSR 2.5 by hand will help for sure.
I agree... even SSR 2.5 by hand will help for sure.
| dFunk | 08-28-2005 04:59 PM |
what do you mean they'll give me a problem? perhaps saying it was my fault? i'll try to clean it again and then i'll probably bring it to the dealer tomorrow afternoon.
| jetfan2207 | 08-28-2005 07:20 PM |
[QUOTE=dFunk]what do you mean they'll give me a problem? perhaps saying it was my fault? i'll try to clean it again and then i'll probably bring it to the dealer tomorrow afternoon.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I do not think they'll be like "yeah, it's a paint problem from the factory, we'll repaint your car under warranty." I think they will either say it's not our(Subaru's problem) or blame you for parking under a tree, or something like that. Being that the car is new, if they give you a problem and are unwilling to correct the problem, I would contact SOA and tell them your story (they usually get back to me within 24 hours of me sending them an e-mail).
good luck,
Steve
Yeah, I do not think they'll be like "yeah, it's a paint problem from the factory, we'll repaint your car under warranty." I think they will either say it's not our(Subaru's problem) or blame you for parking under a tree, or something like that. Being that the car is new, if they give you a problem and are unwilling to correct the problem, I would contact SOA and tell them your story (they usually get back to me within 24 hours of me sending them an e-mail).
good luck,
Steve
| jamesonc | 08-28-2005 07:26 PM |
Why not try what I said and save all that hassle?
| dFunk | 08-28-2005 07:33 PM |
[QUOTE=jamesonc]Why not try what I said and save all that hassle?[/QUOTE]
i'm not what you say, the detailer. plus i'll just see if i can get it fixed by the dealership or soa and then i'll see
i'm not what you say, the detailer. plus i'll just see if i can get it fixed by the dealership or soa and then i'll see
| Vew | 08-29-2005 10:39 AM |
Damn, and I thought it was just me. Pretty much a month after buying my car a little over a year ago I have the same thing. I've washed, claybar'ed, and put a good 3 coats of wax and still there today. It's like... under the clearcoat. I have a silver car so I've been kinda ignoring it. I might take it into Subaru this week.
Jon
Jon
| Justin80 | 08-29-2005 10:49 AM |
[QUOTE=Vew]Damn, and I thought it was just me. Pretty much a month after buying my car a little over a year ago I have the same thing. I've washed, claybar'ed, and put a good 3 coats of wax and still there today. It's like... under the clearcoat. I have a silver car so I've been kinda ignoring it. I might take it into Subaru this week.
Jon[/QUOTE]
Contact a local detailer. They'll charge about $150 for a quality inside & out job. It's the polishing that will get the oxidation and all of that other crap out. Using the claybar and wax alone will not get the desired results.
Jon[/QUOTE]
Contact a local detailer. They'll charge about $150 for a quality inside & out job. It's the polishing that will get the oxidation and all of that other crap out. Using the claybar and wax alone will not get the desired results.
| pdippel | 08-29-2005 12:24 PM |
Is the car brand new? What is the build date? It looks like it was parked under a tree for a long time (months) before it was cleaned and what ever was on it etched itself into the paint. Is it just on the top surfaces; hood, roof, trunk, or do you see it on any vertical surfaces?
I would use the claybar on a small section for an extended time ( 1/2 hour or more). If that doesn't do anything, you are going to have to take off some clear coat by polishing/compounding.
I would use the claybar on a small section for an extended time ( 1/2 hour or more). If that doesn't do anything, you are going to have to take off some clear coat by polishing/compounding.
| TooColdScorpio | 08-29-2005 01:17 PM |
I have that same stuff on The Roof of My car, Dont know what it is. Its an 05 too :(
| bfarm | 08-29-2005 01:42 PM |
I figured I would chime in also. I have the same problem. It may have been on my car when I picked it up, but it was washed and waxed and in bright sunlight. My spots look almost identical. It is MUCH more visible in the shade and, by god, don't go look at it under a flourescent light.
I have now had 2 detailers try to buff/polish it out with rotary buffers. It lessened it some, but not much. I'm just trying to deal with it now. See my thread on the subject here:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=822494[/url]
Let me know if you solve it or if you get any feedback from the dealer. I have an Obsidian Black Pearl 2005 STi. I have the damage on the hood, roof, and trunk. The vertical sides are untouched, and the pieces between the roof and windows have less dense damage but it's still there. I picked up the car at the end of July, it's mfg date is 04/05.
I have now had 2 detailers try to buff/polish it out with rotary buffers. It lessened it some, but not much. I'm just trying to deal with it now. See my thread on the subject here:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=822494[/url]
Let me know if you solve it or if you get any feedback from the dealer. I have an Obsidian Black Pearl 2005 STi. I have the damage on the hood, roof, and trunk. The vertical sides are untouched, and the pieces between the roof and windows have less dense damage but it's still there. I picked up the car at the end of July, it's mfg date is 04/05.
| Phy6 | 08-29-2005 02:20 PM |
tree sap or car measles. I get the same thing on my glass. Is it on vertical panels too, or just horizontal?
| dFunk | 08-29-2005 02:25 PM |
o ok, i thought i was the only person who had these. it's only on the horizontal panels (trunk, hood, and roof). at the time for a test drive, it was parked in an empty parking lot where all the other cars were. but who knows if it was somewhere else before that.
| TacticalNuke | 08-29-2005 02:26 PM |
Looks like it could be over-powdering during painting, and would thus be under the clearcoat. It would, if this is the case, be impossible to eliminate.
Contact SOA.
I have the same problem (to a much lesser degree) and am in the process of dealing with it through SOA.
Contact SOA.
I have the same problem (to a much lesser degree) and am in the process of dealing with it through SOA.
| dFunk | 08-29-2005 02:47 PM |
please tell me how it goes with SOA because i just called my dealer to see what they can do but i only left a voice message since no one picked up. so i'm waiting for a call back. if it doesn't go very well, i'll then contact SOA, i can do that by e-mail right?
[QUOTE=TacticalNuke]Looks like it could be over-powdering during painting, and would thus be under the clearcoat. It would, if this is the case, be impossible to eliminate.
Contact SOA.
I have the same problem (to a much lesser degree) and am in the process of dealing with it through SOA.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TacticalNuke]Looks like it could be over-powdering during painting, and would thus be under the clearcoat. It would, if this is the case, be impossible to eliminate.
Contact SOA.
I have the same problem (to a much lesser degree) and am in the process of dealing with it through SOA.[/QUOTE]
| jetfan2207 | 08-29-2005 05:10 PM |
[QUOTE=dFunk]please tell me how it goes with SOA because i just called my dealer to see what they can do but i only left a voice message since no one picked up. so i'm waiting for a call back. if it doesn't go very well, i'll then contact SOA, i can do that by e-mail right?[/QUOTE]
go to subaru.com then scroll down and click on "contact us" on the bottom right of the page, fill out the form and press send. They usually get back to me within 24 hours on weekdays.
good luck,
Steve
go to subaru.com then scroll down and click on "contact us" on the bottom right of the page, fill out the form and press send. They usually get back to me within 24 hours on weekdays.
good luck,
Steve
| subywrx | 08-29-2005 06:37 PM |
That's why I don't get black color cars and knowing I park outside. If you live in the bay area I know a detail guy that can get that stuff off. He details for Porsche and Audi. With low price.
| dFunk | 08-29-2005 06:47 PM |
i'm not in the bay area but do u know what he does to get it off?
[QUOTE=subywrx]That's why I don't get black color cars and knowing I park outside. If you live in the bay area I know a detail guy that can get that stuff off. He details for Porsche and Audi. With low price.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=subywrx]That's why I don't get black color cars and knowing I park outside. If you live in the bay area I know a detail guy that can get that stuff off. He details for Porsche and Audi. With low price.[/QUOTE]
| PKSJ4 | 08-29-2005 06:53 PM |
[QUOTE=dFunk]i'm not in the bay area but do u know what he does to get it off?[/QUOTE]
you need to color sand it.
you need to color sand it.
| singletrack | 08-29-2005 09:20 PM |
Try claybar and scratch-x first. If it still looks bad you can try a random-orbital and a cutting foam pad (various products to use with it). If that still doesn't take it out, you need a pro with a buffer.
To me it looks like the paint has no wax on it and water got burnt into it. Do you have acid rain there? Do you park near sprinklers?
Good luck.
To me it looks like the paint has no wax on it and water got burnt into it. Do you have acid rain there? Do you park near sprinklers?
Good luck.
| dFunk | 08-29-2005 09:23 PM |
i've tried the claybar and it doesn't work. i'm not really comfortable with a buffer since i've never used one and wouldn't wanna make any more swirls than there already are.
when i picked it up it has wax on it, it was very smooth and uber shiny. we don't have acid rain and i don't park near sprinklers, if i were to park next to sprinklers the marks would be on the side of my car also, not just the top parts.
this is so irritating!
when i picked it up it has wax on it, it was very smooth and uber shiny. we don't have acid rain and i don't park near sprinklers, if i were to park next to sprinklers the marks would be on the side of my car also, not just the top parts.
this is so irritating!
| badgerwrx | 08-30-2005 12:29 AM |
I can tell you by living in a friggen cluster of pine trees that those marks are not caused by sap. Sap would not leave such a widely distributed pattern like that unless you parked litterally right next to a tree and kept it there.
Most people have acid rain unless you live in Alaska or something crazy like that. Most just have it to a lesser degree that doesn't really affect the paint. Where do you live exactly... that might help us clue in to the problem.
I would also say it's not a painting/clearcoat problem from the factory otherwise it would be everywhere on your car.
Does the dealer have a lot of trees near their place?
Let us know what you find.
Most people have acid rain unless you live in Alaska or something crazy like that. Most just have it to a lesser degree that doesn't really affect the paint. Where do you live exactly... that might help us clue in to the problem.
I would also say it's not a painting/clearcoat problem from the factory otherwise it would be everywhere on your car.
Does the dealer have a lot of trees near their place?
Let us know what you find.
| dFunk | 08-30-2005 02:25 PM |
[QUOTE=badgerwrx]I can tell you by living in a friggen cluster of pine trees that those marks are not caused by sap. Sap would not leave such a widely distributed pattern like that unless you parked litterally right next to a tree and kept it there.
Most people have acid rain unless you live in Alaska or something crazy like that. Most just have it to a lesser degree that doesn't really affect the paint. Where do you live exactly... that might help us clue in to the problem.
I would also say it's not a painting/clearcoat problem from the factory otherwise it would be everywhere on your car.
Does the dealer have a lot of trees near their place?
Let us know what you find.[/QUOTE]
i live in Northern Virginia, no where near a lot of forests or trees and stuff. this hasn't happened to the other cars near my house so i'm sure it's not the area i park at. The car, before i bought it, was parked inside a parking lot, like the ones in the mall, that was rented so they could put the dealer cars there since they didn't have much room on the lot. so basically it was inside a parking lot.
also, out of curiousity, what exactly is 'color sanding'?
Most people have acid rain unless you live in Alaska or something crazy like that. Most just have it to a lesser degree that doesn't really affect the paint. Where do you live exactly... that might help us clue in to the problem.
I would also say it's not a painting/clearcoat problem from the factory otherwise it would be everywhere on your car.
Does the dealer have a lot of trees near their place?
Let us know what you find.[/QUOTE]
i live in Northern Virginia, no where near a lot of forests or trees and stuff. this hasn't happened to the other cars near my house so i'm sure it's not the area i park at. The car, before i bought it, was parked inside a parking lot, like the ones in the mall, that was rented so they could put the dealer cars there since they didn't have much room on the lot. so basically it was inside a parking lot.
also, out of curiousity, what exactly is 'color sanding'?
| deoreo | 08-30-2005 03:06 PM |
Those look like water spots, or etch marks from
water spots.
Check out the Autopia Car Care site.
Try the white vinegar rinse, and then polish to see if that helps.
This got rid of stubborn water spots on my car.
[url]http://www.autopia-carcare.com/horeswmawasp.html[/url]
Steve
water spots.
Check out the Autopia Car Care site.
Try the white vinegar rinse, and then polish to see if that helps.
This got rid of stubborn water spots on my car.
[url]http://www.autopia-carcare.com/horeswmawasp.html[/url]
Steve
| badgerwrx | 08-30-2005 03:52 PM |
Did a google search and this is the first one I found - Granted this is a report from 2001 or 02 but I HIGHLY doubt the acid rain problem has been solved in your area... and if you still doubt it, do some more searching and you'll find other reports.
Study: Virginia Has Unfinished Business on Acid Rain
New Science Shows that Mid-Atlantic Ecosystems Won�t
Recover for Decades Without Tougher New Laws
Charlottesville � A new study released today by the Virginia Clean Air Now Campaign shows some of the most compelling evidence yet that the Clean Air Act�s much-lauded Acid Rain program will not deliver recovery of damaged forests, lakes and streams in our lifetimes.
The Clear the Air report, Unfinished Business: Why the Acid Rain Problem is Not Solved, shows that a decade after the program went into effect, although emissions have declined, [B]rain more acidic than orange juice continues to fall on Virginia�s rivers, lakes, and forests.[/B] :huh: :huh: :huh:
Sorry to break the news to you... but you said you noticed the spots after a couple days of rain... this looks like your culprit.
Good luck. BTW I really am a biologist and no I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night :D
Study: Virginia Has Unfinished Business on Acid Rain
New Science Shows that Mid-Atlantic Ecosystems Won�t
Recover for Decades Without Tougher New Laws
Charlottesville � A new study released today by the Virginia Clean Air Now Campaign shows some of the most compelling evidence yet that the Clean Air Act�s much-lauded Acid Rain program will not deliver recovery of damaged forests, lakes and streams in our lifetimes.
The Clear the Air report, Unfinished Business: Why the Acid Rain Problem is Not Solved, shows that a decade after the program went into effect, although emissions have declined, [B]rain more acidic than orange juice continues to fall on Virginia�s rivers, lakes, and forests.[/B] :huh: :huh: :huh:
Sorry to break the news to you... but you said you noticed the spots after a couple days of rain... this looks like your culprit.
Good luck. BTW I really am a biologist and no I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night :D
| dFunk | 08-30-2005 03:57 PM |
hmm, if it WAS acid rain, what could i do to actually get rid of it? and wouldn't it also have to happen to the other cars around me? i have a couple other cars in my household and they show no signs unlike mine.
i'm not saying it was because of the rain, but it was just after the days it rained that it showed up, again, not knowing if it was the rain or not.
i'm still waiting for SOA to get back to me and my local dealer to see what they can do, if anything.
i'm not saying it was because of the rain, but it was just after the days it rained that it showed up, again, not knowing if it was the rain or not.
i'm still waiting for SOA to get back to me and my local dealer to see what they can do, if anything.
| badgerwrx | 08-30-2005 06:27 PM |
Ahhh, do you see the light? This goes back to the fact that Subaru paint = poo. That is the reason why other cars in your area don't necessarily have the same problem. Couple this with the fact that every car is slightly different, including paint and if your individual car was on the bottom end of Subaru's inspection parameters... you have spots on your car.
What should you do? I don't know much about fixing paint/clearcoat but I would contact local well established detailers and mention you believe your car has acid rain damage and what should you do? If there truly is a acid rain problem in your area, they will definitely know about it.
- David
What should you do? I don't know much about fixing paint/clearcoat but I would contact local well established detailers and mention you believe your car has acid rain damage and what should you do? If there truly is a acid rain problem in your area, they will definitely know about it.
- David
| dFunk | 09-13-2005 05:52 PM |
well, today i just went to the dealership and they said they'd have to buff the whole car. and to prevent swirl marks from the buffer, they'd use some sort of glaze. so i'm gonna have to drop the car off tomorrow night and they'll work on it tomorrow. so wish me luck!
oh yeah, when some of u got loaner cars, what did u get? i remember someone saying they got a minivan as a loaner, wouldn't wanna get that
oh yeah, when some of u got loaner cars, what did u get? i remember someone saying they got a minivan as a loaner, wouldn't wanna get that
| turbokonejo | 09-13-2005 08:25 PM |
You ask what exactly is 'color sanding'?
AKA Wet sanding, sand your finish with a fine grit paper like 2000 then you would have to buff the shine back. I think it would work if its not under the clear. Good luck with that buff goob your getting and most Glaze body shops use leaves masive swirl marks.
AKA Wet sanding, sand your finish with a fine grit paper like 2000 then you would have to buff the shine back. I think it would work if its not under the clear. Good luck with that buff goob your getting and most Glaze body shops use leaves masive swirl marks.
| Phy6 | 09-13-2005 08:49 PM |
I might expect hail damage to look like that, when the hail isn't large enough to actually dent the metal.
| WRXDriftR | 09-13-2005 10:11 PM |
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/phanomenon/DSC01512.jpg[/IMG]
i like that pic :lol:
sorry, but i doubt thats covered under warranty :(
i like that pic :lol:
sorry, but i doubt thats covered under warranty :(
| dFunk | 09-15-2005 03:51 PM |
ok, so i just called today to see if they were done, and my sales rep said he'll call me back. about 20 minutes later he calls and says that they couldn't get the dots off the paint. so what they're going to do is repaint the whole car. now, to me that doesn't sound like a bad idea, since it's all covered under warranty. just that i'll have to part with my car for maybe 5 days if that, not so sure about the time frame yet. i'm about to go down there and pick up a loaner. i love free things AND WARRANTY (right now at least when my car is stock :) )
| Hank3 | 09-15-2005 04:36 PM |
Good to hear the dealer is taking of care of this situation :) Post pics and keep us updated. It's always good to hear GOOD dealership/warranty stories.
| darknightohio | 01-31-2006 09:10 PM |
Bump, has anyone else had luck with the dealer repainting their car due to this problem? I am pretty sure this is a paint defect because my sisters car sits outside right next to my car and that car has no spots....
| rockywrx | 01-31-2006 09:40 PM |
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i had similar problems but i had alot of swirls in my paint...the problem is that the dealerships "detail the car " before u pick it up..they use the same dirty water that they had been using all day to wash the car first then they buff it with a crappy polish but they do not even work it in....i work at a detail shop and to truly buff a car it takes hours..the dealerships do it in like 15 min...they just cover up the mistakes instead of getting rid of them....yes i could have fixed my car by myself but i argued with the dealership for over a month untill they took my car to their body shop and had their painter compound the car first and then polish and wax it....they had it for 3 days and @ 160 a day i was glad the dealership was paying for it...so if it was like that when u picked it up if u argue enough the dealership should fix it
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