| KC | 11-28-2002 11:26 AM |
Mitsu's possible answer to the 206?
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[url]http://www.autoindex.org/news.plt?no=148#[/url]
Not much info.. bot looks good. :)
Not much info.. bot looks good. :)
| SubEd | 11-28-2002 11:45 AM |
I'd buy one! :)
[IMG]http://www.champlainsoftware.com/Ed/xceed.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.champlainsoftware.com/Ed/xceed.jpg[/IMG]
| trinidriver | 11-28-2002 02:41 PM |
Better looking than the Lancer!
| johnfelstead | 11-28-2002 03:41 PM |
the real news is that Mitsubishi has setup a dedicated motorsport department in Europe that will liase (and control to a certain extent) the activities of Ralliart.
One thing they are doing is carying out a 4 month study of the Colt as a posible replacement for the lancer evolution in the WRC.
from autosport.com
Mitsubishi has announced a reorganisation of its motorsport business, after a disastrous season campaigning the Lancer WRC in 2002.
Ralliart Europe will continue to run the cars, but will do so under the supervision of Mitsubishi Motorsport, a new company formed by the Japanese manufacturer to oversee all its motorsport activities.
This season Mitsubishi scored only nine points and finished joint bottom of the WRC manufacturers standings, tied with Skoda. It was the team's first full season campaigning the WRC-spec Lancer, which has replaced its highly successful Group A machines.
Speaking of the team's current form, Mitsubishi senior vice-president Ulrich Walker said: "We are concerned. I am more than nervous about the current situation. For a couple of years we have been winning, and maybe one of the reasons [why Mitsubishi had a poor season] was they have had too much success in the past. If you have too much success you forget the competition."
"But we are committed to the WRC for three to five years," he added. "However, we have to win within three to five years and for me that means to be in the top three manufacturers."
The company also revealed that it was considering switching from running the Lancer to a Colt WRC. The head of Mitsubishi Motorsport, Sven Quandt, said: "We are investigating everything. The Colt is currently under a very detailed study, we are asking what will be all the consequences for this car, on the engineering side and on the marketing side. But we also know that in the WRC, the Lancer has a heritage, especially in Japan. We expect to make a decision within the next four months."
One thing they are doing is carying out a 4 month study of the Colt as a posible replacement for the lancer evolution in the WRC.
from autosport.com
Mitsubishi has announced a reorganisation of its motorsport business, after a disastrous season campaigning the Lancer WRC in 2002.
Ralliart Europe will continue to run the cars, but will do so under the supervision of Mitsubishi Motorsport, a new company formed by the Japanese manufacturer to oversee all its motorsport activities.
This season Mitsubishi scored only nine points and finished joint bottom of the WRC manufacturers standings, tied with Skoda. It was the team's first full season campaigning the WRC-spec Lancer, which has replaced its highly successful Group A machines.
Speaking of the team's current form, Mitsubishi senior vice-president Ulrich Walker said: "We are concerned. I am more than nervous about the current situation. For a couple of years we have been winning, and maybe one of the reasons [why Mitsubishi had a poor season] was they have had too much success in the past. If you have too much success you forget the competition."
"But we are committed to the WRC for three to five years," he added. "However, we have to win within three to five years and for me that means to be in the top three manufacturers."
The company also revealed that it was considering switching from running the Lancer to a Colt WRC. The head of Mitsubishi Motorsport, Sven Quandt, said: "We are investigating everything. The Colt is currently under a very detailed study, we are asking what will be all the consequences for this car, on the engineering side and on the marketing side. But we also know that in the WRC, the Lancer has a heritage, especially in Japan. We expect to make a decision within the next four months."
| Zahnster | 11-28-2002 03:52 PM |
My Mom used to own a Dodge Colt. It's hard to see it as a WRC car.
I guess it's like that top gear review of the Focus RS: "The thing about the civic is, my mom drives one"
I guess it's like that top gear review of the Focus RS: "The thing about the civic is, my mom drives one"
| KC | 11-28-2002 04:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Zahnster [/i]
[B]My Mom used to own a Dodge Colt. It's hard to see it as a WRC car.
I guess it's like that top gear review of the Focus RS: "The thing about the civic is, my mom drives one" [/B][/QUOTE]The colt/mirage H/B was an easy car to turbocharge... I cannot remember if it did have or could be easily swapped with a 4G63 turbo engine. :)
NOw if everyone goes to a hot hatch.... imagine a Subaru AWD Turbo hatch... YUM.
--kC
[B]My Mom used to own a Dodge Colt. It's hard to see it as a WRC car.
I guess it's like that top gear review of the Focus RS: "The thing about the civic is, my mom drives one" [/B][/QUOTE]The colt/mirage H/B was an easy car to turbocharge... I cannot remember if it did have or could be easily swapped with a 4G63 turbo engine. :)
NOw if everyone goes to a hot hatch.... imagine a Subaru AWD Turbo hatch... YUM.
--kC
| ChrisDP | 11-28-2002 05:04 PM |
The older Colt turbo came with a 4G61. I believe it was a 1.6 liter variant of the DSM motor, so it's probably swappable with the full-on 4G63 without much difficulty.
| Chunky_Chicken | 11-28-2002 08:50 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]"We are investigating everything. The Colt is currently under a very detailed study, we are asking what will be all the consequences for this car, on the [I]engineering side and on the marketing side[/I] . But we also know that in the WRC, the Lancer has a heritage, especially in Japan. We expect to make a decision within the next four months." [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats gonna be the kicker IMO. The colt will likely outperform the EVO because of its tighter package. They still have to meet the weight requirements so its not like its any lighter. But its sure easier to place additional mass than try to put a car on a diet.
I really can't see Ralliart dropping the EVO as the WRC entry, it just seems too bizzare.
-Pete
[B]"We are investigating everything. The Colt is currently under a very detailed study, we are asking what will be all the consequences for this car, on the [I]engineering side and on the marketing side[/I] . But we also know that in the WRC, the Lancer has a heritage, especially in Japan. We expect to make a decision within the next four months." [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats gonna be the kicker IMO. The colt will likely outperform the EVO because of its tighter package. They still have to meet the weight requirements so its not like its any lighter. But its sure easier to place additional mass than try to put a car on a diet.
I really can't see Ralliart dropping the EVO as the WRC entry, it just seems too bizzare.
-Pete
| Lou | 11-28-2002 09:53 PM |
The only thing I have a problem with is that all of the new WRC cars coming out do not have mass produced road going counterparts (Focus, 206, Xsara, Accent). They are basically becoming silhouette cars. I prefer the days of Group A which the Lancer and Imreza hark back to when the cars still had a road going version that used the same driveline and/or engine package. I dont know why, just keeps the sport more pure I guess.
| Warp3 | 11-28-2002 10:18 PM |
:eek: Sweeeeeeeeeet...
Shane -- [url]http://www.warpthree.com[/url]
Shane -- [url]http://www.warpthree.com[/url]
| Impreza01 | 11-29-2002 01:06 AM |
I second Lou... Having Group A helped improve the "breed" of the production cars... Psssh, anyone ever drive one of those Focuses or 206s? Fun to do left and right but painful when accelerating...
| aspera | 11-29-2002 08:00 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]NOw if everyone goes to a hot hatch.... imagine a Subaru AWD Turbo hatch... YUM.
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
been there, imagined that:)
...but Subaru already has its facelifted WRC car built. It had better be well along with preproduction of the hot hatch if it wants to base its WRC car on it. Subaru might just find itself being the last sports sedan in a hatchback series.
Now if the rules allowed the Pleo to compete with an Impreza/Legacy drivetrain...:)
[B]NOw if everyone goes to a hot hatch.... imagine a Subaru AWD Turbo hatch... YUM.
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
been there, imagined that:)
...but Subaru already has its facelifted WRC car built. It had better be well along with preproduction of the hot hatch if it wants to base its WRC car on it. Subaru might just find itself being the last sports sedan in a hatchback series.
Now if the rules allowed the Pleo to compete with an Impreza/Legacy drivetrain...:)
| jdmhebek9 | 11-29-2002 08:38 AM |
Is it just me or????
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Does that colt share the same body lines front bumper and side view mirrors as a honda Civic EG 92-95 and the side windows of an Ek 96-00 hatchback.. I love the way that Colt looks but it looks like they took two hondas and morphed them into the COLT..
| Chunky_Chicken | 11-29-2002 09:47 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by aspera [/i]
[B]
Subaru might just find itself being the last sports sedan in a hatchback series.[/B][/QUOTE]
If the Colt replaces the EVO, Subaru will have the only sedan. Skoda is switching to the Fabia from the sounds of it.... I'm starting to get worried.
I still don't see them dropping the EVO, but I would like to see them make homologation cars. How many did they have to sell for Group A?
-Pete
[B]
Subaru might just find itself being the last sports sedan in a hatchback series.[/B][/QUOTE]
If the Colt replaces the EVO, Subaru will have the only sedan. Skoda is switching to the Fabia from the sounds of it.... I'm starting to get worried.
I still don't see them dropping the EVO, but I would like to see them make homologation cars. How many did they have to sell for Group A?
-Pete
| NC2.5RS | 11-29-2002 12:21 PM |
Im liking that Colt.
| Impreza01 | 11-29-2002 09:19 PM |
Seeing how wimpy and thin the bumpy looks, I doubt it'll ever get past the 5mph crash test for US without modifications...
| aspera | 11-29-2002 09:42 PM |
Aspera loves to be quoted!:)
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Chunky_Chicken [/i]
[B]
If the Colt replaces the EVO, Subaru will have the only sedan. Skoda is switching to the Fabia from the sounds of it.... I'm starting to get worried.
I still don't see them dropping the EVO, but I would like to see them make homologation cars. How many did they have to sell for Group A?
-Pete [/B][/QUOTE]
Tell me more of this Fabia. Is it a Skoda-fied version of a VW Polo or something?
I wonder if this is how the Legacy fans felt years ago when Subaru went with its smaller Impreza WRC car.
[B]
If the Colt replaces the EVO, Subaru will have the only sedan. Skoda is switching to the Fabia from the sounds of it.... I'm starting to get worried.
I still don't see them dropping the EVO, but I would like to see them make homologation cars. How many did they have to sell for Group A?
-Pete [/B][/QUOTE]
Tell me more of this Fabia. Is it a Skoda-fied version of a VW Polo or something?
I wonder if this is how the Legacy fans felt years ago when Subaru went with its smaller Impreza WRC car.
| meebs | 11-29-2002 10:47 PM |
That little red Colt looks better than this one...
[url]http://www.mitsubishi-colt.co.jp/[/url]
I can't fancy that as a rally car. :)
[url]http://www.mitsubishi-colt.co.jp/[/url]
I can't fancy that as a rally car. :)
| ecfitzgerald | 11-30-2002 09:18 AM |
Yes the Fabia is a Polo sibling.
| sjt | 11-30-2002 01:27 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by meebs [/i]
[B]That little red Colt looks better than this one...
[url]http://www.mitsubishi-colt.co.jp/[/url]
I can't fancy that as a rally car. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
The red must be the Colt Evolution I!!!
[B]That little red Colt looks better than this one...
[url]http://www.mitsubishi-colt.co.jp/[/url]
I can't fancy that as a rally car. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
The red must be the Colt Evolution I!!!
| aspera | 11-30-2002 02:59 PM |
Rallye Race Altered, X for Experimental
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I was thinking about that.
Mitsubishi took the Lancer name from Dodge. There were Lancers before there were Lancer EVOs. Dodge also used the Colt name as early as the '70s, but on a Mitsubishi built car. It would almost make sense that they all-of-the-sudden start making EVOlutions of the car. They might have to call it something else, because it's hard not to think of the Lancer when you hear EVO. The Colt WRC would be the second Mitsubishi car to be EVOlved. It could be called a 2nd Gen EVO 1.
Subaru likes to use "Version", "Type", and "Spec".
Toyota likes to use "Mark".
Honda is big on using the word "Type".
Generation or "Gen" is pretty universal.
I say they should use 'em all.:)
Mitsubishi Ralliart Colt WRC 2nd Gen EVO I V.1 Mk.1 Type RRA Spec X
Mitsubishi took the Lancer name from Dodge. There were Lancers before there were Lancer EVOs. Dodge also used the Colt name as early as the '70s, but on a Mitsubishi built car. It would almost make sense that they all-of-the-sudden start making EVOlutions of the car. They might have to call it something else, because it's hard not to think of the Lancer when you hear EVO. The Colt WRC would be the second Mitsubishi car to be EVOlved. It could be called a 2nd Gen EVO 1.
Subaru likes to use "Version", "Type", and "Spec".
Toyota likes to use "Mark".
Honda is big on using the word "Type".
Generation or "Gen" is pretty universal.
I say they should use 'em all.:)
Mitsubishi Ralliart Colt WRC 2nd Gen EVO I V.1 Mk.1 Type RRA Spec X
| Sauceboy01 | 11-30-2002 03:16 PM |
something is just not right about it... i dont like it.
| Lou | 11-30-2002 09:48 PM |
The more I look at that picture the funnier it looks to me. Like the intercooler is photochopped or something. Might just be my imagination.
| Adrian128 | 12-01-2002 12:03 AM |
That red one in the pic is just an old Mirage that's been out for ages. The new Colt is totally different. :)
| auricom | 12-01-2002 04:28 PM |
that is funny, old friend had one and we would joke about it being in the WRC. "Money, fall from the sky" D'oh, that didn't work.
| Chunky_Chicken | 12-01-2002 07:40 PM |
Re: Aspera loves to be quoted!:)
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by aspera [/i]
[B]Tell me more of this Fabia. Is it a Skoda-fied version of a VW Polo or something?[/B][/QUOTE]
Here's a pic (of the road car):
[IMG]http://www.gsmobil.com/gsmobil/upload/fabia.jpg[/IMG]
Not too pretty IMO, but should offer Skoda a much more competative platform.
There was a pic of the rally version in the 2nd to latest issue of XS, it was white. If I get a chance to scan it I'll post it.
-Pete
[B]Tell me more of this Fabia. Is it a Skoda-fied version of a VW Polo or something?[/B][/QUOTE]
Here's a pic (of the road car):
[IMG]http://www.gsmobil.com/gsmobil/upload/fabia.jpg[/IMG]
Not too pretty IMO, but should offer Skoda a much more competative platform.
There was a pic of the rally version in the 2nd to latest issue of XS, it was white. If I get a chance to scan it I'll post it.
-Pete
| jesse370 | 12-01-2002 09:57 PM |
who cares if what companies are using hatches or sedans...Don't they all have to be about the same size anyway?? And won't that be great for the lancer's image....this thing can't compete anymore so we are replacing it with a tiny little thing.
I too wish all the cars should have a real road going version.
I too wish all the cars should have a real road going version.
| Chunky_Chicken | 12-02-2002 03:52 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jesse370 [/i]
[B]Don't they all have to be about the same size anyway?? [/B][/QUOTE]
There is a minimum length rule. The 206 needed bumper extensions to meet it.
All the cars are pretty much at the minimum weigh (1250kg I belive). The advantage the smaller cars have is that their mass is more concentrated, which yeilds a lower polar moment of intertia. A lower polar moment makes for a car which can rotate quicker (change direction, turn in...), pretty important in rally. There was a special about the Focus WRC on Speed last year. They move the engine way back in the the engine bay to lower this polar moment.
Starting with a lighter car also gives you the advantage of being able to place any balast you may need in an optimal position.
-Pete
[B]Don't they all have to be about the same size anyway?? [/B][/QUOTE]
There is a minimum length rule. The 206 needed bumper extensions to meet it.
All the cars are pretty much at the minimum weigh (1250kg I belive). The advantage the smaller cars have is that their mass is more concentrated, which yeilds a lower polar moment of intertia. A lower polar moment makes for a car which can rotate quicker (change direction, turn in...), pretty important in rally. There was a special about the Focus WRC on Speed last year. They move the engine way back in the the engine bay to lower this polar moment.
Starting with a lighter car also gives you the advantage of being able to place any balast you may need in an optimal position.
-Pete
| Zahnster | 12-02-2002 03:54 PM |
The Peugeut has a smaller wheelbase than the rest of the field I believe. One thing about switching to a hatchback is Mistu might also gain an advantage like this.
| trinidriver | 12-02-2002 04:24 PM |
Seems like Mitsubishi is out for next year. So they'll have a whole year to consider the pros and cons!
| FaTbOyRaLLy | 12-02-2002 06:32 PM |
IT'S A CIVIC HATCHBACK, and Mitsubishi took one of their badges and stuck it on the honda. Looks cool, but it also looks like some you see on the street everyday but modified. I would still love to have one though;)
| Ryouga | 12-02-2002 11:51 PM |
There are a few more pics of the current Colt road car at:
[url]http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/COLT/style.html[/url]
[url]http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/COLT/style.html[/url]
| aspera | 12-03-2002 02:02 AM |
Both the Skoda and new Colt are U G L Y.
The new Colt has that "tall car" front end. The Civic SI has a steep hood like that. I remember reading a german car magazine that said it made like 45 pounds of front downforce. There is more than meets the eye. A new bodied Colt with a huge wing on the back might have better than expected handling.
The new Colt has that "tall car" front end. The Civic SI has a steep hood like that. I remember reading a german car magazine that said it made like 45 pounds of front downforce. There is more than meets the eye. A new bodied Colt with a huge wing on the back might have better than expected handling.
| ColinT | 12-06-2002 12:57 AM |
Hey KC
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Hey KC you are lookin for a subaru turbo hatch is old but turbo + awd is good times. A 1989 RX turbo HAtch. Rare as anthing but if you find one grab it
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