| OCD | 11-02-2003 02:24 PM |
Mud flaps
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just wondering what mudflaps you guys suggest getting, i have a 04 wrx and i go to school in upstate new york and we get a lot of snow up here and i was thinking about maybe getting the fastline rally mud flaps, suggestions please, thanks
| DrD | 11-02-2003 02:53 PM |
This comes up now and then - look at [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=429276&highlight=mudflaps]this thread[/URL] or [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=341181&highlight=mudflaps]this one[/URL]
| Samirr76 | 11-02-2003 02:57 PM |
Pep Boys/Autozone/Advance/Wal-Mart should all have some universal fit flaps that will do just fine. :cool:
| 4wheelflyer | 11-02-2003 03:55 PM |
sparco makes a set just like the STI mud flaps but for a much better price
| OCD | 11-02-2003 04:27 PM |
where can u get the sparco ones from
| LimeyWRX | 11-02-2003 06:14 PM |
these are the ones you want but the 04 WRX/STI are still being developed
[url]http://www.subietech.com/About_Us.html[/url]
[url]http://www.subietech.com/About_Us.html[/url]
| hugoshi | 07-06-2004 08:25 PM |
hey um.. to any of you who have made your own mudflaps.. how do you bolt them on for the front?
I found the pushclips, and I can remove them...but theyr'e not very long.. so I don't think they'll work with the mudguards I have. Do you guys use bolts? if you use bolts, where do you put the nut? cause I can't get behind there to place the nut.
thanks
I've searched for this for quite a while.. so don't yell at me
I found the pushclips, and I can remove them...but theyr'e not very long.. so I don't think they'll work with the mudguards I have. Do you guys use bolts? if you use bolts, where do you put the nut? cause I can't get behind there to place the nut.
thanks
I've searched for this for quite a while.. so don't yell at me
| NeoteriX | 07-06-2004 08:48 PM |
I have the fastlines. I like 'em, though my friends sometimes give me flack for having huge truck like mudflaps that stick out. However, that's the only way they'll catch anything. :)
You can't see them too well, but they're there.
[img]http://server6.uploadit.org/files/NeoteriX-mycarnew1d.jpg[/img]
You can't see them too well, but they're there.
[img]http://server6.uploadit.org/files/NeoteriX-mycarnew1d.jpg[/img]
| satrya | 07-06-2004 09:00 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hugoshi [/i]
[B]hey um.. to any of you who have made your own mudflaps.. how do you bolt them on for the front?[/B][/QUOTE]
It's been a while so I'm not 100% sure of this. Iirc, on the impreza, the mudflap can be bolted to the inner fender liner, which is made of plastic. The liner fastens to the fender by means of those clips, but if you remove them, you should be able to bend the liner a bit to access the back side, enabling you to tighten up a nut-washer-bolt combination.
On the forester, I recall inserting the mudflaps between the liner and fender, and the clips can take the additional material (meaning the clips aren't too short to function with the mudflap material inserted between the liner & fender).
[B]hey um.. to any of you who have made your own mudflaps.. how do you bolt them on for the front?[/B][/QUOTE]
It's been a while so I'm not 100% sure of this. Iirc, on the impreza, the mudflap can be bolted to the inner fender liner, which is made of plastic. The liner fastens to the fender by means of those clips, but if you remove them, you should be able to bend the liner a bit to access the back side, enabling you to tighten up a nut-washer-bolt combination.
On the forester, I recall inserting the mudflaps between the liner and fender, and the clips can take the additional material (meaning the clips aren't too short to function with the mudflap material inserted between the liner & fender).
| hugoshi | 07-06-2004 09:10 PM |
hmm... but aren't those clips important to hold the fender liner on to the fender? so did you just use those 2 holes in the fender liner? or did you also use the 1 in that goes into the side skirt.
does that create a secure enough fit?
does that create a secure enough fit?
| migs76 | 07-06-2004 09:23 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NeoteriX[/i]
[B] I have the fastlines. I like 'em, though my friends sometimes give me flack for having huge truck like mudflaps that stick out. However, that's the only way they'll catch anything. :)
You can't see them too well, but they're there.
[img]http://server6.uploadit.org/files/NeoteriX-mycarnew1d.jpg[/img] [/B][/QUOTE]
this is my dilemma. can't decide between these and the new rallyarmor mudflaps. the rallyarmor look more visually appealing but the fastlines look like they perform better.
[B] I have the fastlines. I like 'em, though my friends sometimes give me flack for having huge truck like mudflaps that stick out. However, that's the only way they'll catch anything. :)
You can't see them too well, but they're there.
[img]http://server6.uploadit.org/files/NeoteriX-mycarnew1d.jpg[/img] [/B][/QUOTE]
this is my dilemma. can't decide between these and the new rallyarmor mudflaps. the rallyarmor look more visually appealing but the fastlines look like they perform better.
| hugoshi | 07-06-2004 09:30 PM |
are the fastlines problematic aerodynamically when you're on the highway?
alright this is sort of a dumb question, but does it really help that much to have really wide mudflaps?
if a rock is heading from your wheel to the outside edge of a wide mudflap, shouldn't it also be heading away from the rest of your vehicle?
alright this is sort of a dumb question, but does it really help that much to have really wide mudflaps?
if a rock is heading from your wheel to the outside edge of a wide mudflap, shouldn't it also be heading away from the rest of your vehicle?
| Edvig | 07-06-2004 10:39 PM |
Hey Dan,
What about the Rally Armor ones?
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=585512[/url]
What about the Rally Armor ones?
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=585512[/url]
| satrya | 07-07-2004 12:05 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hugoshi [/i]
[B]so did you just use those 2 holes in the fender liner? or did you also use the 1 in that goes into the side skirt.[/B][/QUOTE]
I'd have to take a look (tomorrow perhaps) to be sure.
At the very least, I know for sure I didn't get rid of the clips. What I don't recall is the precise mounting method.
If you attempt to sandwich the liner between the mudflap and the fender, then the added thickness may be a problem, as you previously mentioned.
Iirc, I mounted the front mudlfaps in my forester (more recent) the same way I did in my impreza, and the mudflap material gets inserted between the fender and the liner. So, the 2 clips and one that goes into the sideskirt were the only ones that secure the front flaps.
[QUOTE][B]does that create a secure enough fit? [/B][/QUOTE]
More than 2 years of regular road use on the impreza (& almost 2 years on the forester) so far without problems.
[QUOTE][B] ...but does it really help that much to have really wide mudflaps?[/B][/QUOTE]
Regarding wide mudflaps, there are 2 things to consider:
(1) The bottom profile of the sideskirt / lower door area curves inward, such that pebbles thrown by the front wheel can reach those areas.
(2) There are lighter particles (like mud or tar from hot asphalt) that would splatter all over, and the wide mudflaps significantly reduce the amount of such partciles from adhering to the body panels. I know I don't see as much tar on the sides after having mudflaps installed.
[B]so did you just use those 2 holes in the fender liner? or did you also use the 1 in that goes into the side skirt.[/B][/QUOTE]
I'd have to take a look (tomorrow perhaps) to be sure.
At the very least, I know for sure I didn't get rid of the clips. What I don't recall is the precise mounting method.
If you attempt to sandwich the liner between the mudflap and the fender, then the added thickness may be a problem, as you previously mentioned.
Iirc, I mounted the front mudlfaps in my forester (more recent) the same way I did in my impreza, and the mudflap material gets inserted between the fender and the liner. So, the 2 clips and one that goes into the sideskirt were the only ones that secure the front flaps.
[QUOTE][B]does that create a secure enough fit? [/B][/QUOTE]
More than 2 years of regular road use on the impreza (& almost 2 years on the forester) so far without problems.
[QUOTE][B] ...but does it really help that much to have really wide mudflaps?[/B][/QUOTE]
Regarding wide mudflaps, there are 2 things to consider:
(1) The bottom profile of the sideskirt / lower door area curves inward, such that pebbles thrown by the front wheel can reach those areas.
(2) There are lighter particles (like mud or tar from hot asphalt) that would splatter all over, and the wide mudflaps significantly reduce the amount of such partciles from adhering to the body panels. I know I don't see as much tar on the sides after having mudflaps installed.
| OCD | 07-07-2004 12:08 AM |
the rally ones look pretty good and if they are less than 100 they are worth it, i mean i dont' know if they will protect as well as the fastline though, but they dont' look like trucker flaps like the fastline ones i used this winter (Which were awesome, barely any scratches on the side of my car). So if i was to do it again i may have gone towards the rally ones, not sure though, ill have to see them in person.
Dan
Dan
| NeoteriX | 07-07-2004 03:00 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hugoshi[/i]
[B] are the fastlines problematic aerodynamically when you're on the highway?[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how I could tell if they did :) The WRX is an aerodynamic nightmare anyway, I'm sure they don't make that much of a difference.
Besides, I like the look of the wide mudflaps, the look is functional and resembles that of the WRC rally cars.
Also, they add a little piece of mind when I'm parallel parking or whatever. They scrape the curb before my wheels/tires get a chance to! (and Fastline offers free replacement for messed up mudflaps)
edit: cortlandt manor? :) Whenever I'm home from school, I go to the movie theatre there all the time.
[B] are the fastlines problematic aerodynamically when you're on the highway?[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how I could tell if they did :) The WRX is an aerodynamic nightmare anyway, I'm sure they don't make that much of a difference.
Besides, I like the look of the wide mudflaps, the look is functional and resembles that of the WRC rally cars.
Also, they add a little piece of mind when I'm parallel parking or whatever. They scrape the curb before my wheels/tires get a chance to! (and Fastline offers free replacement for messed up mudflaps)
edit: cortlandt manor? :) Whenever I'm home from school, I go to the movie theatre there all the time.
| satrya | 07-07-2004 11:38 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hugoshi [/i]
[B]so did you just use those 2 holes in the fender liner? or did you also use the 1 in that goes into the side skirt.[/B][/QUOTE]
Correction.
My previous response was the way I fastened the front flaps on my forester. On my impreza, I replaced the 2 clips with 2 sets of screw-washer-fastener (called speed fastener iirc). I also made a small tab cut on the flaps that gets inserted in the gap between the sideskirt and the wheel well liner.
The fastener looks something like the green drawing below, with the dark green part having some thread for the screw (colored light orange below) to fasten to.
The tab cutout (light blue) inserts as shown. I marked a solid black line indicating where the sideskirt material becomes visible because of the tab (light blue) on the mudflap.
Hope this makes sense.
[IMG]http://mechatro2.me.berkeley.edu/~satrya/pics/photos/frontflaps.jpg[/IMG]
[B]so did you just use those 2 holes in the fender liner? or did you also use the 1 in that goes into the side skirt.[/B][/QUOTE]
Correction.
My previous response was the way I fastened the front flaps on my forester. On my impreza, I replaced the 2 clips with 2 sets of screw-washer-fastener (called speed fastener iirc). I also made a small tab cut on the flaps that gets inserted in the gap between the sideskirt and the wheel well liner.
The fastener looks something like the green drawing below, with the dark green part having some thread for the screw (colored light orange below) to fasten to.
The tab cutout (light blue) inserts as shown. I marked a solid black line indicating where the sideskirt material becomes visible because of the tab (light blue) on the mudflap.
Hope this makes sense.
[IMG]http://mechatro2.me.berkeley.edu/~satrya/pics/photos/frontflaps.jpg[/IMG]
| hugoshi | 07-07-2004 01:00 PM |
wow thanks a bunch for all the diagrams.
just to check though, so the fastener goes around the fender liner? with the part with the threads lying between the fender liner and the fender?
in that case, it seems like something is still needed to hold the fender liner to the fender? am I missing something? the screw will go all the way through but there's nothing with threads on the other side of the fender to hold everything together.
just to check though, so the fastener goes around the fender liner? with the part with the threads lying between the fender liner and the fender?
in that case, it seems like something is still needed to hold the fender liner to the fender? am I missing something? the screw will go all the way through but there's nothing with threads on the other side of the fender to hold everything together.
| satrya | 07-07-2004 01:30 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hugoshi [/i]
[B]just to check though, so the fastener goes around the fender liner?[/B][/QUOTE]
In my haste to sketch the fastener, I forgot that the orientation should be 180 degrees rotated along the longitudinal axis (along the bolt).
So the "U" portion of the fastener "wraps" around the fender material that folds into the wheel well.
[B]just to check though, so the fastener goes around the fender liner?[/B][/QUOTE]
In my haste to sketch the fastener, I forgot that the orientation should be 180 degrees rotated along the longitudinal axis (along the bolt).
So the "U" portion of the fastener "wraps" around the fender material that folds into the wheel well.
| bluestone | 07-07-2004 02:20 PM |
in the 30 seconds i skimmed the above, didn't bother to understand any of it. i have the same flaps, secured with 'e clips' and screws. the e clip is is like a flat piece of metal bent in half with a hole in it. just clip it onto the fender where the screws are shown above, lining up the holes. then put a screw through the flap and into the fender/eclip sandwich. the flaps where $6 at pep boys/autozone.
| hugoshi | 07-07-2004 02:32 PM |
now I completely understand. thanks a bunch.
| aerofan897 | 07-07-2004 05:04 PM |
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| fastsubie | 07-07-2004 05:38 PM |
I love the prodrive ones but they are salty! :eek:
Fess
Fess
| hugoshi | 07-07-2004 05:41 PM |
for those of you with mudflaps, they protect your paint., but is gravel that hits the underside of your car a problem? as far as rust and corrosion goes? did you guys just pick up skid plates? or just.. I dunno. replace the OEM factory rust proof coating before winter?
| satrya | 07-07-2004 05:53 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hugoshi [/i]
[B]as far as rust and corrosion goes? did you guys just pick up skid plates? or just.. I dunno. replace the OEM factory rust proof coating before winter? [/B][/QUOTE]
Afaik there are no skid plates available that can offer full underpan protection short of the actual rally skidplates.
If you're concerned about the rustproof coating from chipping off due to rocks, you can always extend the mudflaps all the way inwards, and possibly apply additional flexible rubber layers on the underpan (e.g. bondo makes them in spray cans).
[B]as far as rust and corrosion goes? did you guys just pick up skid plates? or just.. I dunno. replace the OEM factory rust proof coating before winter? [/B][/QUOTE]
Afaik there are no skid plates available that can offer full underpan protection short of the actual rally skidplates.
If you're concerned about the rustproof coating from chipping off due to rocks, you can always extend the mudflaps all the way inwards, and possibly apply additional flexible rubber layers on the underpan (e.g. bondo makes them in spray cans).
| hugoshi | 07-07-2004 06:20 PM |
well my question is, does that happen to a significant extent, the chipping off of the rustproof coating? has that been a problem for you guys? I don't drive on gravel that much, but I like to go to parks and drive on mostly dirt w/ some rocks strewn in type of roads.
| satrya | 07-07-2004 06:34 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hugoshi [/i]
[B]well my question is, does that happen to a significant extent, the chipping off of the rustproof coating?[/B][/QUOTE]
Imho, it shouldn't be a concern unless you frequently drive it through gravel roads and sandy beaches back and forth. Maybe someone with a lot of rally hours in their subarus can chime in.
[B]well my question is, does that happen to a significant extent, the chipping off of the rustproof coating?[/B][/QUOTE]
Imho, it shouldn't be a concern unless you frequently drive it through gravel roads and sandy beaches back and forth. Maybe someone with a lot of rally hours in their subarus can chime in.
| Subie Gal | 07-07-2004 06:58 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hugoshi [/i]
[B]well my question is, does that happen to a significant extent, the chipping off of the rustproof coating? has that been a problem for you guys? I don't drive on gravel that much, but I like to go to parks and drive on mostly dirt w/ some rocks strewn in type of roads. [/B][/QUOTE]
if you have a straight up rally car?
yes... you will chip off the under body corrosion coating.
But in a daily driver... i dont see that happening.
Jamie
[B]well my question is, does that happen to a significant extent, the chipping off of the rustproof coating? has that been a problem for you guys? I don't drive on gravel that much, but I like to go to parks and drive on mostly dirt w/ some rocks strewn in type of roads. [/B][/QUOTE]
if you have a straight up rally car?
yes... you will chip off the under body corrosion coating.
But in a daily driver... i dont see that happening.
Jamie
| OCD | 07-07-2004 07:38 PM |
NeoteriX
shoot me a pm next time u are in c manor, if u wanna meet up
Dan
shoot me a pm next time u are in c manor, if u wanna meet up
Dan
| hugoshi | 07-10-2004 02:08 PM |
Agh ok.. so I got the fasteners and I'm about to drill holes in the flaps and mount them..
but the fasteners were really tight(the clip ones) and I think I scratched some of the paint on the front fender while putting them on. so what should I do? I could take them off and use touch up paint.. but I think it could still risk scratching when I put the clips on again, or just in movement over time from metal against metal. I was thinking about just getting rubberized spray and just spraying down the whole fastener. My concern is corrosion. What do you guys think I should do?
thanks
but the fasteners were really tight(the clip ones) and I think I scratched some of the paint on the front fender while putting them on. so what should I do? I could take them off and use touch up paint.. but I think it could still risk scratching when I put the clips on again, or just in movement over time from metal against metal. I was thinking about just getting rubberized spray and just spraying down the whole fastener. My concern is corrosion. What do you guys think I should do?
thanks
| satrya | 07-10-2004 06:45 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by hugoshi [/i]
[B]against metal. I was thinking about just getting rubberized spray and just spraying down the whole fastener. My concern is corrosion. What do you guys think I should do?[/B][/QUOTE]
Whether you choose to use touch-up paint or rubberized spray, the important thing is to clean the scratched area first; that is if rust is a concern.
Before reinstalling the fasteners, I would:
(1) Inspect the fasteners and sand down sharp edges that may come into contact with the fenders if any.
(2) Pry the fasteners slightly wider. When the screw is tightened, since the threaded portion of the fastener is on the hidden side, the fastener will clamp on the fender just fine.
(3) Possibly put a durable tape on the inner surface of the fastener; say some cardboard or thin & tough plastic just to even out the clamping pressure.
This is a bit extreme, imho.
my 2 cents.
[B]against metal. I was thinking about just getting rubberized spray and just spraying down the whole fastener. My concern is corrosion. What do you guys think I should do?[/B][/QUOTE]
Whether you choose to use touch-up paint or rubberized spray, the important thing is to clean the scratched area first; that is if rust is a concern.
Before reinstalling the fasteners, I would:
(1) Inspect the fasteners and sand down sharp edges that may come into contact with the fenders if any.
(2) Pry the fasteners slightly wider. When the screw is tightened, since the threaded portion of the fastener is on the hidden side, the fastener will clamp on the fender just fine.
(3) Possibly put a durable tape on the inner surface of the fastener; say some cardboard or thin & tough plastic just to even out the clamping pressure.
This is a bit extreme, imho.
my 2 cents.
| hugoshi | 07-10-2004 08:22 PM |
how clean does it have to be? can I just wipe it down with a wet cloth? I'm sure there's no rust on it yet becuase I just scratched it today, and I'll put touch up paint on it on monday. I'm asking because I can't see the other side of the fender, so I can wipe that down, but that's the best I can do
also my fasteners aren't stainless steel. I coudlnt' find any, could you? my bolts are stainless steel though. I figured it woulndt' be such a big deal since the fastener is behind the fender liner, and in the worst case, if it starts to rust I can just replace it
satyra thanks for all of your help
EDIT
just to vent...
AGH I'm so mad, I just went to take the fasteners off to check for damage, and to loosen them up. I just had the most hellashish time I found out if you loosen the fasteners too much, they'll slip off and fall down into the space where the sideskirts are(duh).. and the pushclips that hold the sideskirts on are ridiculiously hard to remove, and then I lost one of the fasteners somewhere on the ground/grass.. so it took me 1/2 an hour to find them. I'm so sick of this.
I just want to go tommorow and coat the fasteners, and most of the fender area where the mudflaps are attatched with rubberized spray. isnt' that fine? my cars dry, so it shouldn't be a big deal.
also my fasteners aren't stainless steel. I coudlnt' find any, could you? my bolts are stainless steel though. I figured it woulndt' be such a big deal since the fastener is behind the fender liner, and in the worst case, if it starts to rust I can just replace it
satyra thanks for all of your help
EDIT
just to vent...
AGH I'm so mad, I just went to take the fasteners off to check for damage, and to loosen them up. I just had the most hellashish time I found out if you loosen the fasteners too much, they'll slip off and fall down into the space where the sideskirts are(duh).. and the pushclips that hold the sideskirts on are ridiculiously hard to remove, and then I lost one of the fasteners somewhere on the ground/grass.. so it took me 1/2 an hour to find them. I'm so sick of this.
I just want to go tommorow and coat the fasteners, and most of the fender area where the mudflaps are attatched with rubberized spray. isnt' that fine? my cars dry, so it shouldn't be a big deal.
| satrya | 07-11-2004 01:35 AM |
hugoshi..
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PM'ed you.
| fastline | 07-11-2004 10:29 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by migs76 [/i]
[B]this is my dilemma. can't decide between these and the new rallyarmor mudflaps. the rallyarmor look more visually appealing but the fastlines look like they perform better. [/B][/QUOTE]
Guaranteed for LIFE!!!!
yes they don't have the pretty paint on them that say my company name that will wear off and look like heck after 1 new england winter.
there made big for coverage and if there too big for you just cut them with a simple utility knife to what you like, round the corners or shape them the way you want and then beat them to death because you will never have to buy them again!
[URL=http://www.fastlineonline.com/products.php?sort=1]they are here[/URL]
thanks
Mark
[B]this is my dilemma. can't decide between these and the new rallyarmor mudflaps. the rallyarmor look more visually appealing but the fastlines look like they perform better. [/B][/QUOTE]
Guaranteed for LIFE!!!!
yes they don't have the pretty paint on them that say my company name that will wear off and look like heck after 1 new england winter.
there made big for coverage and if there too big for you just cut them with a simple utility knife to what you like, round the corners or shape them the way you want and then beat them to death because you will never have to buy them again!
[URL=http://www.fastlineonline.com/products.php?sort=1]they are here[/URL]
thanks
Mark
| Costas | 07-11-2004 11:12 AM |
FYI Rallyarmor logos are molded into the flap like the prodrive ones, not painted
| N'CTRL | 07-11-2004 12:30 PM |
Yea, I don't see whats wrong with the Rally Armor flaps. They look much stronger and the logo isn't a sticker. I like the look much better as well.
Mike~~
Mike~~
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