| nate49509 | 04-03-2005 05:40 PM |
Nascar at Bristol: Your Thoughts
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Just wondering what everyone thought of the race? Personally I fell a sleep. :lol: :p
How do people watch this stuff for 500 laps? :huh:
How do people watch this stuff for 500 laps? :huh:
| Opie | 04-03-2005 06:08 PM |
I love Bristol, came home from the St. Pete Grand Prix to catch it on TV. Tight, short course, high speeds, all kinds of action all over the track. Almost as good as the Speed World Challenge Races I went to see earlier today!
| Amazake | 04-03-2005 06:20 PM |
I watched this race. It was a typical Bristol race, accident after accident.
I heard that a ticket to Bristol is the most exclusive ticket of any US sporting event. I only watch because the Kentucky transplants @ work started a pool 3 years ago. $5 a driver 14 entrants per week
There is a strategy in Nascar and some of these guys can drive especially when something goes wrong. #20 spun out and still finished thrid and my guy #16 Greg Biffle went 100+ laps on some worn tires. Many of the drivers had problems due to tire chunking. Bristol has high banks and they need to run high negative camber. Goodyear released a new tire designed for the track. The tire allows someone who cut a tire to ride the car to the bottom of the track rather than spin and hit the wall. I think the new tire gave many teams a hard time. For all of the anti Nascar people, who claim that Nascar is not real racing, should remember all of the safety advances that are finanaced and innovated by Nascar. There was a head on collision today @ 100+mph and both guys walked away! I had the same "hillbilly sport" mentality as many of you. Now I give credit where credit is due. As Nascar grows interest in all motorsports grows.
I heard that a ticket to Bristol is the most exclusive ticket of any US sporting event. I only watch because the Kentucky transplants @ work started a pool 3 years ago. $5 a driver 14 entrants per week
There is a strategy in Nascar and some of these guys can drive especially when something goes wrong. #20 spun out and still finished thrid and my guy #16 Greg Biffle went 100+ laps on some worn tires. Many of the drivers had problems due to tire chunking. Bristol has high banks and they need to run high negative camber. Goodyear released a new tire designed for the track. The tire allows someone who cut a tire to ride the car to the bottom of the track rather than spin and hit the wall. I think the new tire gave many teams a hard time. For all of the anti Nascar people, who claim that Nascar is not real racing, should remember all of the safety advances that are finanaced and innovated by Nascar. There was a head on collision today @ 100+mph and both guys walked away! I had the same "hillbilly sport" mentality as many of you. Now I give credit where credit is due. As Nascar grows interest in all motorsports grows.
| nate49509 | 04-03-2005 07:00 PM |
I will admit of all the NASCAR tracks Bristol is one of more entertaining ones, but its still a yawn. Its fun to watch them on the road courses though.
| WRXMaster | 04-03-2005 08:55 PM |
Its soooooo freaking boring to watch ...I dont see how everyone likes this stuff.... Its just like watching california traffic... Its more interesting to watch somethign like rally where they have to really drive the cars
btw the IRL race was pretty good race to watch today
btw the IRL race was pretty good race to watch today
| FlyinbySTi | 04-03-2005 10:41 PM |
I Like bristol, dover, and darlington. The short tracks are great, the wreck are fun. I like watching the truck races
| elgorey | 04-03-2005 10:51 PM |
A passing glance at an F1 race, SWC race, even an ALMS race is boring also.
Like any sport, when you put some time into learning the drivers, tracks strategies, etc it becomes much more exciting. Its a different approach than road racing, in that in an oval your main focus is the other drivers more than the track (although most of you would be very surprised how difficult an oval is to drive, and how on the ragged edge these guys are driving them). There is a ton of passing and action in a nascar race, even if the track is an oval.
Remember, the nascar boys won Michelin Race of Champions a couple years ago, so saying they cant drive or nascar takes no skill is just ignorance.
And this is coming from a hardcore roadrace fan (and participant :) ) who not too long ago hated nascar (more out of bitterness that it gets all the attention and $$ in this country!)
but if you put some time into it, you will realize that it is good racing
Like any sport, when you put some time into learning the drivers, tracks strategies, etc it becomes much more exciting. Its a different approach than road racing, in that in an oval your main focus is the other drivers more than the track (although most of you would be very surprised how difficult an oval is to drive, and how on the ragged edge these guys are driving them). There is a ton of passing and action in a nascar race, even if the track is an oval.
Remember, the nascar boys won Michelin Race of Champions a couple years ago, so saying they cant drive or nascar takes no skill is just ignorance.
And this is coming from a hardcore roadrace fan (and participant :) ) who not too long ago hated nascar (more out of bitterness that it gets all the attention and $$ in this country!)
but if you put some time into it, you will realize that it is good racing
| WRXMaster | 04-04-2005 09:57 AM |
[QUOTE=elgorey]A passing glance at an F1 race, SWC race, even an ALMS race is boring also.
Like any sport, when you put some time into learning the drivers, tracks strategies, etc it becomes much more exciting. Its a different approach than road racing, in that in an oval your main focus is the other drivers more than the track (although most of you would be very surprised how difficult an oval is to drive, and how on the ragged edge these guys are driving them). There is a ton of passing and action in a nascar race, even if the track is an oval.
Remember, the nascar boys won Michelin Race of Champions a couple years ago, so saying they cant drive or nascar takes no skill is just ignorance.
And this is coming from a hardcore roadrace fan (and participant :) ) who not too long ago hated nascar (more out of bitterness that it gets all the attention and $$ in this country!)
but if you put some time into it, you will realize that it is good racing[/QUOTE]
I have watched nascar and learned about the drivers ect ... My neighbor drives in Arca Remax ... I have even raced his car around a oval track for fun...The car was pretty damn easy to drive around the oval..I just think its a 3 hour informercial... The cars are all setup to be easy to drive .. They have 4 gears .. Full camber and supsension setup to turn left.. You basically have to turn the wheel to the right on the straights... Nascar is more setup of the car vs the driver...The skill level required in nascar is minimal.. Almost anyone could hop into one of those cars and learn how to drive a oval track in a couple of hours.. The brakes on Nascars are tiny for a reason "they never use them" I would have more respect for the series if they really used production cars like V8 touring cars "that is good racing"
BTW ... Now about the Race of Champions ... .The american team only won because of the Texas Tornado who won all his races... The nascar drivers had a full day to practice that course over and over again.. I heard that marcus gronholm didnt practice the course once and still beat the nascar boys badly ... There are some talented drivers in nascar "both gordons, Jimmy Johnson ect " But they got there talent from other motorsports
Like any sport, when you put some time into learning the drivers, tracks strategies, etc it becomes much more exciting. Its a different approach than road racing, in that in an oval your main focus is the other drivers more than the track (although most of you would be very surprised how difficult an oval is to drive, and how on the ragged edge these guys are driving them). There is a ton of passing and action in a nascar race, even if the track is an oval.
Remember, the nascar boys won Michelin Race of Champions a couple years ago, so saying they cant drive or nascar takes no skill is just ignorance.
And this is coming from a hardcore roadrace fan (and participant :) ) who not too long ago hated nascar (more out of bitterness that it gets all the attention and $$ in this country!)
but if you put some time into it, you will realize that it is good racing[/QUOTE]
I have watched nascar and learned about the drivers ect ... My neighbor drives in Arca Remax ... I have even raced his car around a oval track for fun...The car was pretty damn easy to drive around the oval..I just think its a 3 hour informercial... The cars are all setup to be easy to drive .. They have 4 gears .. Full camber and supsension setup to turn left.. You basically have to turn the wheel to the right on the straights... Nascar is more setup of the car vs the driver...The skill level required in nascar is minimal.. Almost anyone could hop into one of those cars and learn how to drive a oval track in a couple of hours.. The brakes on Nascars are tiny for a reason "they never use them" I would have more respect for the series if they really used production cars like V8 touring cars "that is good racing"
BTW ... Now about the Race of Champions ... .The american team only won because of the Texas Tornado who won all his races... The nascar drivers had a full day to practice that course over and over again.. I heard that marcus gronholm didnt practice the course once and still beat the nascar boys badly ... There are some talented drivers in nascar "both gordons, Jimmy Johnson ect " But they got there talent from other motorsports
| greg donovan | 04-04-2005 10:08 AM |
so you are saying that navigating through a field of 40 some other drivers at speeds ranging from 80-200 mph depending on the track requires minimal skill?
| Opie | 04-04-2005 10:24 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXMaster]The cars are all setup to be easy to drive .. They have 4 gears .. Full camber and supsension setup to turn left.. You basically have to turn the wheel to the right on the straights... Nascar is more setup of the car vs the driver...The skill level required in nascar is minimal.. Almost anyone could hop into one of those cars and learn how to drive a oval track in a couple of hours.. The brakes on Nascars are tiny for a reason "they never use them" I would have more respect for the series if they really used production cars like V8 touring cars "that is good racing"[/QUOTE]
That has got to be the single most ignorant comment I've heard about Nascar.
That has got to be the single most ignorant comment I've heard about Nascar.
| Celly | 04-04-2005 10:44 AM |
People don't respect NASCAR becuase of how Simplistic it looks on TV. Thats fine. Bristol is a good course. Last week Harvick went from dead last, to first. Avoiding 14? wrecks, and 17? Cautions. If there are 14 wrecks in an F1 race, that usually means that there are no cars left on the track.. ;)
Wrecks aren't all racing is about. But they sure do make it a little more interesting.. ;)
Wrecks aren't all racing is about. But they sure do make it a little more interesting.. ;)
| Calamity Jesus | 04-04-2005 10:58 AM |
I've been known to say some harsh things about NASCAR drivers because of the way many of them can't seem to shift or brake correctly on the road courses.. but going fast on an oval is not easy. Watching a driver like Jeff Gordon, whether you like him or not, recover his car after being slammed hard by some traffic, is amazing. It takes excellent car control at those speeds.. and if they were easy to drive, they wouldn't go as fast. "Fast is loose" (oversteer). The fastest drivers can ride the edge of traction around the track all day long while decifering traffic and aerodynamics. I think it's boring to watch for hours on end too, but it's not easy.
Bristol is a very neat track. All the way through the turns, the drivers are using the top 1" of their windsheilds to see where they're going. I've ridden around the track with one of Bristol's PR men in his Trailblazer.. and I have to admit.. even at 70 in a trailblazer, it's all you can do to sink down in your seat so that you can see far enough ahead to brake, should something occur ahead... and a trailblazer doesn't have a roofline trimmed down for low drag at 185mph.
There isn't a bad seat in the house (out of 160,000) and ticket costs are incredible. Ticket sales are granted according to a lottery from orders mailed in a year in advance.
Bristol is a very neat track. All the way through the turns, the drivers are using the top 1" of their windsheilds to see where they're going. I've ridden around the track with one of Bristol's PR men in his Trailblazer.. and I have to admit.. even at 70 in a trailblazer, it's all you can do to sink down in your seat so that you can see far enough ahead to brake, should something occur ahead... and a trailblazer doesn't have a roofline trimmed down for low drag at 185mph.
There isn't a bad seat in the house (out of 160,000) and ticket costs are incredible. Ticket sales are granted according to a lottery from orders mailed in a year in advance.
| WRXMaster | 04-04-2005 11:10 AM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]so you are saying that navigating through a field of 40 some other drivers at speeds ranging from 80-200 mph depending on the track requires minimal skill?[/QUOTE]
You dont have much car control at 200mph .. You can only put small inputs into the steering ...Which means missing a car in a wreck is normally what we call luck... Watch a Nascar race and count how many times you see a nascar driver overcorrect and send themselves into a spin "which is sloppy" Watch how much steering input they put in an oval track "
The sport is mostly luck and having a good car setup
You dont have much car control at 200mph .. You can only put small inputs into the steering ...Which means missing a car in a wreck is normally what we call luck... Watch a Nascar race and count how many times you see a nascar driver overcorrect and send themselves into a spin "which is sloppy" Watch how much steering input they put in an oval track "
The sport is mostly luck and having a good car setup
| nKoan | 04-04-2005 01:17 PM |
First off, most people tend to use one period to end sentences, not two or three.
Secondly, I thought the race was quite fun to watch. After a day of Auto-x, we went back to my friends house to watch GP Bahrain and Bristol (as well as a few hours of Ice Racing) on his DVR. It was pretty fun to watch, I must admit. There were a few spots in the middle I had to get up and fight boredom but it was entertaining. I don't know if I could watch it by myself or anything, but it was fun watching it with some NASCAR fans (well, motorsports fans that also like NASCAR, not NASCAR fanatics).
Secondly, I thought the race was quite fun to watch. After a day of Auto-x, we went back to my friends house to watch GP Bahrain and Bristol (as well as a few hours of Ice Racing) on his DVR. It was pretty fun to watch, I must admit. There were a few spots in the middle I had to get up and fight boredom but it was entertaining. I don't know if I could watch it by myself or anything, but it was fun watching it with some NASCAR fans (well, motorsports fans that also like NASCAR, not NASCAR fanatics).
| Bonzo | 04-04-2005 01:49 PM |
[QUOTE=Opie]That has got to be the single most ignorant comment I've heard about Nascar.[/QUOTE]
Word! A perfect example of motorsports ignorance.
I keep going back to what Boris Said, said on his radio in his first cup race. iirc it was just screaming like a baby.
The precision and discipline to complete a competetitve lap at any nascar track is beyond my ability to comprehension. imho road racing is easy compartively. This opinion is based from my expreince in the pc sim world which I spend a lot of time racing. One minisucle mistake on an oval and your getting lapped, whereas on a road course you can make up for small mistakes on other corners and still be in the hunt. I'm can hold my own on road courses. I suck on ovals.
Nothing compares to the competitiveness of Nascar when 30 cars are separated by 3/4ths of a second.
190 mph average on a 1.5 mile track (Atl) is truely hairball fast :eek:
Word! A perfect example of motorsports ignorance.
I keep going back to what Boris Said, said on his radio in his first cup race. iirc it was just screaming like a baby.
The precision and discipline to complete a competetitve lap at any nascar track is beyond my ability to comprehension. imho road racing is easy compartively. This opinion is based from my expreince in the pc sim world which I spend a lot of time racing. One minisucle mistake on an oval and your getting lapped, whereas on a road course you can make up for small mistakes on other corners and still be in the hunt. I'm can hold my own on road courses. I suck on ovals.
Nothing compares to the competitiveness of Nascar when 30 cars are separated by 3/4ths of a second.
190 mph average on a 1.5 mile track (Atl) is truely hairball fast :eek:
| cooleyjb | 04-04-2005 01:57 PM |
F1 was really fun to watch last year. Schumuacher wins again. Wow really tight racing there. Nascar is at least competitive every race between more than 4-6 drivers.
NASCAR is like hockey and horse racing. Not as much fun on TV but in person it is something you can really have fun at.
NASCAR is like hockey and horse racing. Not as much fun on TV but in person it is something you can really have fun at.
| WRXMaster | 04-04-2005 02:03 PM |
[QUOTE=Bonzo]Word!
The precision and discipline to complete a competetitve lap at any nascar track is beyond my ability to comprehension. imho road racing is easy compartively. This opinion is based from my expreince in the pc sim world which I spend a lot of time racing. One minisucle mistake on an oval and your getting lapped, whereas on a road course you can make up for small mistakes on other corners and still be in the hunt. I'm can hold my own on road courses. I suck on ovals.
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Precision to complete a competetive lap? Daytona you never lift and you can run any freaking line you want to. Bristol you never touch the brake just lift at certain points that you have set in your mind. Road racing you are more busy in the car then with nascar "which means in nascar all they are doing most of the time is just concentrating not hitting each other" This is just my opinion about the world of nascar. I feel that anybody with any racing experience can come to this sport and dominate with a good car. Try shifter kart racing where it takes more time to get up to speed.
The precision and discipline to complete a competetitve lap at any nascar track is beyond my ability to comprehension. imho road racing is easy compartively. This opinion is based from my expreince in the pc sim world which I spend a lot of time racing. One minisucle mistake on an oval and your getting lapped, whereas on a road course you can make up for small mistakes on other corners and still be in the hunt. I'm can hold my own on road courses. I suck on ovals.
:[/QUOTE]
Precision to complete a competetive lap? Daytona you never lift and you can run any freaking line you want to. Bristol you never touch the brake just lift at certain points that you have set in your mind. Road racing you are more busy in the car then with nascar "which means in nascar all they are doing most of the time is just concentrating not hitting each other" This is just my opinion about the world of nascar. I feel that anybody with any racing experience can come to this sport and dominate with a good car. Try shifter kart racing where it takes more time to get up to speed.
| Crash477 | 04-04-2005 02:09 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXMaster] Bristol you never touch the brake just lift at certain points that you have set in your mind. [/QUOTE]
you obviously have never watched a race at Bristol
you obviously have never watched a race at Bristol
| Bonzo | 04-04-2005 02:13 PM |
For the record you do have to lift at daytona if uopu get offline and when running in the pack.
The brakes they use at Bristol are by far the biggest and most durable they use for any track on the sced. The reason is they use them A LOT!
Try again.
The brakes they use at Bristol are by far the biggest and most durable they use for any track on the sced. The reason is they use them A LOT!
Try again.
| WickedSTI | 04-04-2005 06:29 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXMaster]I have watched nascar and learned about the drivers ect ... My neighbor drives in Arca Remax ... I have even raced his car around a oval track for fun...The car was pretty damn easy to drive around the oval..I just think its a 3 hour informercial... The cars are all setup to be easy to drive .. They have 4 gears .. Full camber and supsension setup to turn left.. You basically have to turn the wheel to the right on the straights... Nascar is more setup of the car vs the driver...The skill level required in nascar is minimal.. Almost anyone could hop into one of those cars and learn how to drive a oval track in a couple of hours.. The brakes on Nascars are tiny for a reason "they never use them" I would have more respect for the series if they really used production cars like V8 touring cars "that is good racing"
BTW ... Now about the Race of Champions ... .The american team only won because of the Texas Tornado who won all his races... The nascar drivers had a full day to practice that course over and over again.. I heard that marcus gronholm didnt practice the course once and still beat the nascar boys badly ... There are some talented drivers in nascar "both gordons, Jimmy Johnson ect " But they got there talent from other motorsports[/QUOTE]LMAO you drove a Arca car at what speed?You all are crazy as hell if you think a cup car is ez to drive fast.If you were in a f14 at 20,000 feet and took over for a few miles are you flying?And saying the breaks are tiny were did you hear that speedway breaks are small but tiny look at a short track break and talk to be abought tiny.Learn a little more before you try to say how ez everthing is.I would slow down but i dont use my little breaks.Brad p.s went to the Hooters Cup race Sat night at GSP the leader said he won becouse he never did break not one time on the 1/2 mile track lmao :devil:
BTW ... Now about the Race of Champions ... .The american team only won because of the Texas Tornado who won all his races... The nascar drivers had a full day to practice that course over and over again.. I heard that marcus gronholm didnt practice the course once and still beat the nascar boys badly ... There are some talented drivers in nascar "both gordons, Jimmy Johnson ect " But they got there talent from other motorsports[/QUOTE]LMAO you drove a Arca car at what speed?You all are crazy as hell if you think a cup car is ez to drive fast.If you were in a f14 at 20,000 feet and took over for a few miles are you flying?And saying the breaks are tiny were did you hear that speedway breaks are small but tiny look at a short track break and talk to be abought tiny.Learn a little more before you try to say how ez everthing is.I would slow down but i dont use my little breaks.Brad p.s went to the Hooters Cup race Sat night at GSP the leader said he won becouse he never did break not one time on the 1/2 mile track lmao :devil:
| mno | 04-04-2005 09:11 PM |
[QUOTE=Opie]That has got to be the single most ignorant comment I've heard about Nascar.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.... I would say that after a couple of hours everyone on this board would not be close to the times a prodrive would tear off.
Agreed.... I would say that after a couple of hours everyone on this board would not be close to the times a prodrive would tear off.
| greg donovan | 04-04-2005 10:47 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXMaster]Precision to complete a competetive lap? Daytona you never lift and you can run any freaking line you want to. Bristol you never touch the brake just lift at certain points that you have set in your mind. Road racing you are more busy in the car then with nascar "which means in nascar all they are doing most of the time is just concentrating not hitting each other" This is just my opinion about the world of nascar. I feel that anybody with any racing experience can come to this sport and dominate with a good car. Try shifter kart racing where it takes more time to get up to speed.[/QUOTE]
i believe they use six piston alcons at bristol. and they get those suckers glowing every damn lap. and yes you do have car control at 200. i dont watch the races on sunday anymore because i enjoy the inside nextel cup highlight show on monday nights.
if you run the wrong line at daytona you are screwed.
i believe they use six piston alcons at bristol. and they get those suckers glowing every damn lap. and yes you do have car control at 200. i dont watch the races on sunday anymore because i enjoy the inside nextel cup highlight show on monday nights.
if you run the wrong line at daytona you are screwed.
| Crash477 | 04-04-2005 10:49 PM |
yeah INC rocks!!
| pittspilot | 04-05-2005 11:46 PM |
[QUOTE=WRXMaster]Precision to complete a competetive lap? Daytona you never lift and you can run any freaking line you want to. Bristol you never touch the brake just lift at certain points that you have set in your mind. Road racing you are more busy in the car then with nascar "which means in nascar all they are doing most of the time is just concentrating not hitting each other" This is just my opinion about the world of nascar. I feel that anybody with any racing experience can come to this sport and dominate with a good car. Try shifter kart racing where it takes more time to get up to speed.[/QUOTE]
Really?
I know quite a few drivers that disagree with you. I spoke with a lot of CART drivers (Can we agree that CART is not an easy car to drive at speed?) about NASCAR. A number had raced on superspeedways. Apparently the information overload is intense. You have to deal with traffic all around you, constantly changing aerodynamics, strategy, telling your crew what they need to do with car, and let's not forget the driving. For 500 miles in a tight pack. Easy? You must be joking.
On smaller tracks you have to drive within your vehicle limits, and hit your spots perfectly.
Really?
I know quite a few drivers that disagree with you. I spoke with a lot of CART drivers (Can we agree that CART is not an easy car to drive at speed?) about NASCAR. A number had raced on superspeedways. Apparently the information overload is intense. You have to deal with traffic all around you, constantly changing aerodynamics, strategy, telling your crew what they need to do with car, and let's not forget the driving. For 500 miles in a tight pack. Easy? You must be joking.
On smaller tracks you have to drive within your vehicle limits, and hit your spots perfectly.
| yosemitemtb | 04-06-2005 12:56 AM |
Not only is Nextel Cup racing competitive, it's also endurance racing...without the driver changes. Nothing easy about it, luck does play a part just like all other racing genres, but so does skill and car preparation. I have to shake my head when I hear guys complaining about Nascar being boring, then I watch an F1 race with one lead change during a pit stop sequence. I'm not saying F1 is boring, it's just a different type of car fun. Of course it's more fun when it isn't a red car on the top of the podium nearly EVERY SINGLE RACE!
And Nascar? It's selling over 100,000 very expensive tickets a week, so I suspect it doesn't suck in a lot peoples eyes.
Jerry who goes to Nascar, historic Nascar, historic sports car, Indy car, Champ car, sprint car, sports car, spec Miata, drag, motocross, go kart, local stock car, Trans Am, ALMS, trophy truck, drift, demolition derby, monster truck and bicycle races, not to mention quite a few autocrosses. It's all good! Woot, MotoGP at Laguna Seca in July!
And Nascar? It's selling over 100,000 very expensive tickets a week, so I suspect it doesn't suck in a lot peoples eyes.
Jerry who goes to Nascar, historic Nascar, historic sports car, Indy car, Champ car, sprint car, sports car, spec Miata, drag, motocross, go kart, local stock car, Trans Am, ALMS, trophy truck, drift, demolition derby, monster truck and bicycle races, not to mention quite a few autocrosses. It's all good! Woot, MotoGP at Laguna Seca in July!
| yosemitemtb | 04-06-2005 01:03 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXMaster]There are some talented drivers in nascar "both gordons, Jimmy Johnson ect " But they got there talent from other motorsports[/QUOTE]
:confused: Just like every other race car driver in an upper level series, you don't start out driving Nascar Nextel Cup just like you don't start out driving F1 or WRC.
:confused: Just like every other race car driver in an upper level series, you don't start out driving Nascar Nextel Cup just like you don't start out driving F1 or WRC.
| baileypicks24 | 04-06-2005 01:05 AM |
Judging from the posts, WRXMaster is an ignorant asshat.
That is all.
That is all.
| WRXMaster | 04-06-2005 04:19 AM |
I was wrong about bristol and braking. Talked to my Arca buddy and I was wrong about that. Ok so Nascar takes alot of talent and skill....... Why do rookies win races all the time? You look at rally and f1 " they cant win because they dont have the ability to beat the more experienced drivers"
BTW I used to go to school in daytona ...... The track has no lines and you never have to lift unless trying to dodge a car "thats why they can run 2 cars wide the whole race"
BTW I used to go to school in daytona ...... The track has no lines and you never have to lift unless trying to dodge a car "thats why they can run 2 cars wide the whole race"
| nate49509 | 04-06-2005 05:00 AM |
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| AlanO | 04-06-2005 09:30 AM |
[QUOTE=WRXMaster]You look at rally and f1 " they cant win because they dont have the ability to beat the more experienced drivers"[/QUOTE]
Juan Pablo Montoya won a race in his rookie F1 season. So did Michael Schumacher. Senna came mighty close in a Toleman.
The truly talented drivers can enjoy success early in their careers, regardless of the series or car they are running.
And if it is not difficult for a novice to win in NASCAR, then why aren't [I]you[/I] doing it? There is plenty of money to be made...
Juan Pablo Montoya won a race in his rookie F1 season. So did Michael Schumacher. Senna came mighty close in a Toleman.
The truly talented drivers can enjoy success early in their careers, regardless of the series or car they are running.
And if it is not difficult for a novice to win in NASCAR, then why aren't [I]you[/I] doing it? There is plenty of money to be made...
| greg donovan | 04-06-2005 10:46 AM |
rookies win in NASCAR because they have been racing something since they were 6 years old. that means that these 25 year old "kids" have been raicing for nearly 20 years. thats why.
oh and the fact that the cars are all prepped to the exact same baseline specs.
i applaud you for admitting you were wrong wrxmaster, maybe there is hope for you yet.
regarding endurance racing. when these cup guys race in the rolex they all think the driver stints are too short and dont want to get out of the car. if they were no talent hacks they would NOT be invited to that race.
oh and the fact that the cars are all prepped to the exact same baseline specs.
i applaud you for admitting you were wrong wrxmaster, maybe there is hope for you yet.
regarding endurance racing. when these cup guys race in the rolex they all think the driver stints are too short and dont want to get out of the car. if they were no talent hacks they would NOT be invited to that race.
| pittspilot | 04-06-2005 03:51 PM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]rookies win in NASCAR because they have been racing something since they were 6 years old. that means that these 25 year old "kids" have been raicing for nearly 20 years. thats why.
oh and the fact that the cars are all prepped to the exact same baseline specs.
i applaud you for admitting you were wrong wrxmaster, maybe there is hope for you yet.
regarding endurance racing. when these cup guys race in the rolex they all think the driver stints are too short and dont want to get out of the car. if they were no talent hacks they would NOT be invited to that race.[/QUOTE]
I remember an interview of Gary Pratt, I think :p
That is the guy in charge of the Corvette C5R program. He was asked how it was to work with the Earnhardts. Dale Sr. and Jr. raced those cars in Daytona. Gary characterized them as uber professional, quick, and very easy on the cars. He was leary at first, but they both won him over.
oh and the fact that the cars are all prepped to the exact same baseline specs.
i applaud you for admitting you were wrong wrxmaster, maybe there is hope for you yet.
regarding endurance racing. when these cup guys race in the rolex they all think the driver stints are too short and dont want to get out of the car. if they were no talent hacks they would NOT be invited to that race.[/QUOTE]
I remember an interview of Gary Pratt, I think :p
That is the guy in charge of the Corvette C5R program. He was asked how it was to work with the Earnhardts. Dale Sr. and Jr. raced those cars in Daytona. Gary characterized them as uber professional, quick, and very easy on the cars. He was leary at first, but they both won him over.
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