| wrx2.0 555 | 06-07-2005 08:46 AM |
Need your opinion on regional auto-x scheduling debate/conflict.
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Heres the deal:
Our local site is a military site (Whitehouse for those that have been there).
Our next event was scheduled for June 26th.
About a week ago, due to military issues of some sort, the event had to be rescheduled. Our chairman chose to reschedule it for the prior weekend of June 18th/19th.
This is the same weekend as the Southeast Divisional in Atlanta.
Some have had the opinion that the Chairman did what he had to and the competitors need to "decide whats more important" and attend that appropriate event.
MY opinion is---we shouldnt be forced to choose at all. If your only option was schedule on top of the Divisional, then dont schedule it at all---schedule two for next month.
Scheduling it for next month allows for sufficient time to prepare for the change and eliminates the conflict with the SeDiv event.
IMO--leaving it the way it is, is a no win situation---its too short of notice and conflicts with the SeDiv.
I am quite curious--from more seasoned auto-xer's what your opinions are of the situation. This cant be the first time something like this has happened, so what have others done in an attempt to eliminate the conflicts.
Scott
Our local site is a military site (Whitehouse for those that have been there).
Our next event was scheduled for June 26th.
About a week ago, due to military issues of some sort, the event had to be rescheduled. Our chairman chose to reschedule it for the prior weekend of June 18th/19th.
This is the same weekend as the Southeast Divisional in Atlanta.
Some have had the opinion that the Chairman did what he had to and the competitors need to "decide whats more important" and attend that appropriate event.
MY opinion is---we shouldnt be forced to choose at all. If your only option was schedule on top of the Divisional, then dont schedule it at all---schedule two for next month.
Scheduling it for next month allows for sufficient time to prepare for the change and eliminates the conflict with the SeDiv event.
IMO--leaving it the way it is, is a no win situation---its too short of notice and conflicts with the SeDiv.
I am quite curious--from more seasoned auto-xer's what your opinions are of the situation. This cant be the first time something like this has happened, so what have others done in an attempt to eliminate the conflicts.
Scott
| KC | 06-07-2005 08:51 AM |
I agree with your line of thinking, however were the days available next month to shedule the cancelled event on? Or later in the year? I think it would be a poor conflict, especially if the 'core' workers are planning on attending the Div.
That'll leave the event with something that might be understaffed and under attended. I would have pushed the date out too.
--kC
That'll leave the event with something that might be understaffed and under attended. I would have pushed the date out too.
--kC
| del105 | 06-07-2005 08:56 AM |
The thing I've learned by being on Teamsolo in Atlanta is; everyone has a ****ing opinion on how they would handle something. If you don't like the way Julius (thats the bucaneer region chair person right?) is running things, volunteer your time and help setup events. Bitching at volunteers if its warranted or not ****ty. You can't please everyone. IMO if your just going to an event and driving you have no room to say ****.
If you don't like the way your region is being run you have 2 choices volunteer or quit.
If you don't like the way your region is being run you have 2 choices volunteer or quit.
| joey1313 | 06-07-2005 09:07 AM |
We had similar experience in our region this year. We also run on a military base and we have to schedule according to their schedule. We rescheduled the autox on the same day as a divisional, but being that it was 12 hours away we only had a few people that were going to the divisional anyway. With access to military bases the way it is, the RE's only choice may have been to reschedule it on a certain date or have 1 less autox for the year.
| wrx2.0 555 | 06-07-2005 09:10 AM |
[QUOTE=del105]The thing I've learned by being on Teamsolo in Atlanta is; everyone has a ****ing opinion on how they would handle something. If you don't like the way Julius (thats the bucaneer region chair person right?) is running things, volunteer your time and help setup events. Bitching at volunteers if its warranted or not ****ty. You can't please everyone. IMO if your just going to an event and driving you have no room to say a ****.
If you don't like the way your region is being run you have 2 choices volunteer or quit.[/QUOTE]
I find it quite hard to be an ass back---BUT---
Let me put it this way....I am asking because I know there are veterans of the sport on the board and I seek their opinion so I may compare it to mine. I am curious if my line of thinking is or is not in tune with what might be a good decision on a matter like this.
For the first year and half or so of my auto-xing, all I did was show up and run. A lot of times, thats all I do now. We generally have a set group of people that fill certain positions at each event.
In the last year, I have started attending the monthly meetings and participating when I feel necessary.
Getting a broader range of opinions--via this thread--may help me understand if my "opinion" is within reason or not.
I am in no way bashing Julius. This thread was started for the specific reason mentioned above and nothing more.
Scott
If you don't like the way your region is being run you have 2 choices volunteer or quit.[/QUOTE]
I find it quite hard to be an ass back---BUT---
Let me put it this way....I am asking because I know there are veterans of the sport on the board and I seek their opinion so I may compare it to mine. I am curious if my line of thinking is or is not in tune with what might be a good decision on a matter like this.
For the first year and half or so of my auto-xing, all I did was show up and run. A lot of times, thats all I do now. We generally have a set group of people that fill certain positions at each event.
In the last year, I have started attending the monthly meetings and participating when I feel necessary.
Getting a broader range of opinions--via this thread--may help me understand if my "opinion" is within reason or not.
I am in no way bashing Julius. This thread was started for the specific reason mentioned above and nothing more.
Scott
| del105 | 06-07-2005 09:16 AM |
you asked for opinions I gave you mine.
| Scooby Freak | 06-07-2005 09:22 AM |
There is going to be conflicts. My region (philly) intends on running 15 points events this season. You can't schedule 15 events without them overlapping with a divisional or national tour/pro. There is so many other variables that dictate which days we can get, including Ripkens baseball schedule and the other clubs that rent the lot. We take what we can get, avoid what we can & allow three drops for the season.
Philly region & NNJR both have events the weekend of the NE divisional. I can either choose to run with the competition at the divisional or stay home & try to get points. I'm thinking the divisional will be a lot more intense & fun. Better competition & a better site to race at.
Philly region & NNJR both have events the weekend of the NE divisional. I can either choose to run with the competition at the divisional or stay home & try to get points. I'm thinking the divisional will be a lot more intense & fun. Better competition & a better site to race at.
| wrx2.0 555 | 06-07-2005 09:28 AM |
[QUOTE=del105]you asked for opinions I gave you mine.[/QUOTE]
You did a lot more than offer an opinion--you made extreme conclusions for no reason and were downright mean about it...
Way out of line IMO.....
Scott
You did a lot more than offer an opinion--you made extreme conclusions for no reason and were downright mean about it...
Way out of line IMO.....
Scott
| jcroy66 | 06-07-2005 09:31 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]I agree with your line of thinking, however were the days available next month to shedule the cancelled event on? Or later in the year? I think it would be a poor conflict, especially if the 'core' workers are planning on attending the Div.
That'll leave the event with something that might be understaffed and under attended. I would have pushed the date out too.[/QUOTE]
I agree with KC. But if your region's core workers don't attend a lot of "away" events, it may not matter as much.
FWIW, my personal order of priority these days is:[list=1][*]ProFinale[*]ProSolos[*]National Championship[*]"local" National Tours (within 5 hours or so)[*]CenDiv Championship[*]"local" CenDiv Series events (within 5 hours)[*]NWOR airport events[*]OVR Cooper Stadium events[*]Other NWOR or OVR events[*]Steel Cities BeaveRun events
[*]Anything else
[/list]FWIW, only #11 contains geographically-local events. And that means that to date, we've made it to exactly one local event this season, and that was only because Phil had driven across Florida that week for work, so didn't want to drive to the OVR event at OSU.
I'm accustomed to a lot of overlap. In years past, it meant we didn't do the larger events, because they conflicted with locals. Last year we decided our priorities were flipped. :)
That'll leave the event with something that might be understaffed and under attended. I would have pushed the date out too.[/QUOTE]
I agree with KC. But if your region's core workers don't attend a lot of "away" events, it may not matter as much.
FWIW, my personal order of priority these days is:[list=1][*]ProFinale[*]ProSolos[*]National Championship[*]"local" National Tours (within 5 hours or so)[*]CenDiv Championship[*]"local" CenDiv Series events (within 5 hours)[*]NWOR airport events[*]OVR Cooper Stadium events[*]Other NWOR or OVR events[*]Steel Cities BeaveRun events
[*]Anything else
[/list]FWIW, only #11 contains geographically-local events. And that means that to date, we've made it to exactly one local event this season, and that was only because Phil had driven across Florida that week for work, so didn't want to drive to the OVR event at OSU.
I'm accustomed to a lot of overlap. In years past, it meant we didn't do the larger events, because they conflicted with locals. Last year we decided our priorities were flipped. :)
| KC | 06-07-2005 09:32 AM |
I sort of agree with Del on this. I thought you were asking as if you were on the solo board. (There are people in this forum that are on solo-boards in their regions). So I responded as if you were.
[QUOTE]The thing I've learned by being on Teamsolo in Atlanta is; everyone has a ****ing opinion on how they would handle something. If you don't like the way Julius (thats the bucaneer region chair person right?) is running things, volunteer your time and help setup events. Bitching at volunteers if its warranted or not ****ty. You can't please everyone. IMO if your just going to an event and driving you have no room to say ****. [/QUOTE]
However Del, (as a counterpoint) if someone is not on the board, any and all members can inform the board of their opinions. The board then judges if they think it right. Agreed the boards have a tough job to do as voluenteers in their spare time, but if SCCA members cannot suggest things to the board and just have to roll with the punches, then what good is having a board in the 1st place? IMHO, you just painted the picture that if you're not on the board, you cannot effect change, you're nobody. That's not very becoming and certinaly does not help effect change.
I would think the solo board would welcome feedback on the event from ANY dues paying member.. not just those that upped their voluenteerism at an event.
--KC
[QUOTE]The thing I've learned by being on Teamsolo in Atlanta is; everyone has a ****ing opinion on how they would handle something. If you don't like the way Julius (thats the bucaneer region chair person right?) is running things, volunteer your time and help setup events. Bitching at volunteers if its warranted or not ****ty. You can't please everyone. IMO if your just going to an event and driving you have no room to say ****. [/QUOTE]
However Del, (as a counterpoint) if someone is not on the board, any and all members can inform the board of their opinions. The board then judges if they think it right. Agreed the boards have a tough job to do as voluenteers in their spare time, but if SCCA members cannot suggest things to the board and just have to roll with the punches, then what good is having a board in the 1st place? IMHO, you just painted the picture that if you're not on the board, you cannot effect change, you're nobody. That's not very becoming and certinaly does not help effect change.
I would think the solo board would welcome feedback on the event from ANY dues paying member.. not just those that upped their voluenteerism at an event.
--KC
| wrx2.0 555 | 06-07-2005 09:33 AM |
Thanks to everyone for your opinions and comments----
I apologize if I miss communicated my objective with the initial post. I hope my follow-up comments have cleared up my objective with this thread.
I apologize if I miss communicated my objective with the initial post. I hope my follow-up comments have cleared up my objective with this thread.
| BriDrive | 06-07-2005 09:40 AM |
Those who skipped their meds this morning should go take them....NOW!
What are you afraid of wrx2.0 555? Someone's gonna stay home and walk with the points for catch up? :D
BriDrive
What are you afraid of wrx2.0 555? Someone's gonna stay home and walk with the points for catch up? :D
BriDrive
| del105 | 06-07-2005 09:46 AM |
After reading it again I guess it did sound that way. I just kind of felt like the original post was calling out the chairperson. In reality the only people that matter when it comes to making this decision are bucaneer region people. I personally would have sent Julius an email and asked him. Just didn't see the point of why it was on this board.
This statement may make me look like a jerk but, if your not putting in time and making your region run better your opinion matters less than the people that do. Thats how I feel.
[QUOTE=KC]I sort of agree with Del on this. I thought you were asking as if you were on the solo board. (There are people in this forum that are on solo-boards in their regions). So I responded as if you were.
However Del, (as a counterpoint) if someone is not on the board, any and all members can inform the board of their opinions. The board then judges if they think it right. Agreed the boards have a tough job to do as voluenteers in their spare time, but if SCCA members cannot suggest things to the board and just have to roll with the punches, then what good is having a board in the 1st place? IMHO, you just painted the picture that if you're not on the board, you cannot effect change, you're nobody. That's not very becoming and certinaly does not help effect change.
I would think the solo board would welcome feedback on the event from ANY dues paying member.. not just those that upped their voluenteerism at an event.
--KC[/QUOTE]
This statement may make me look like a jerk but, if your not putting in time and making your region run better your opinion matters less than the people that do. Thats how I feel.
[QUOTE=KC]I sort of agree with Del on this. I thought you were asking as if you were on the solo board. (There are people in this forum that are on solo-boards in their regions). So I responded as if you were.
However Del, (as a counterpoint) if someone is not on the board, any and all members can inform the board of their opinions. The board then judges if they think it right. Agreed the boards have a tough job to do as voluenteers in their spare time, but if SCCA members cannot suggest things to the board and just have to roll with the punches, then what good is having a board in the 1st place? IMHO, you just painted the picture that if you're not on the board, you cannot effect change, you're nobody. That's not very becoming and certinaly does not help effect change.
I would think the solo board would welcome feedback on the event from ANY dues paying member.. not just those that upped their voluenteerism at an event.
--KC[/QUOTE]
| CamaroFS34 | 06-07-2005 09:50 AM |
Scott,
First off, ignore Andrew (del). He tends to be a bit grumpy early in the morning. ;)
Secondly, I've found that many regions just don't care about things going on outside their little one hour radius. Divisional? Who cares! It's more than an hour away!
I'm serious. DC Region is one of the biggest regions in the country, and draws in 250+ people to a local event. Yet probably less than 10% of those people ever travel more than an hour to an event. They won't even drive 90 minutes to go to an event in Aberdeen, Maryland (just north of Baltimore). When things were changed so that people had to run by class instead of choosing the heat they run, a lot of the regulars actually just stopped coming to the SCCA events -- they still run the "council" events, but because things aren't run as if the world revolves around them and their concerns (as opposed to being fair and equitable conditions for all, and everyone having to do a work assignment, etc., etc.), they don't play with the SCCA any more.
Anyway, sorry to digress, but it basically seems like your region (Buccaneer?) doesn't really care about the Divisional series. They held their Divisional in March (which, BTW, was scheduled the same weekend as a National Tour in Arkansas... gee, wonder why some of the SEDiv regulars weren't in Jacksonville?), and now it seems that they are done with it. Go to the one that is more important to you, and realize that regional championships are the end-all-be-all for some people who will never take that next step to push themselves to become better drivers.
Karen
First off, ignore Andrew (del). He tends to be a bit grumpy early in the morning. ;)
Secondly, I've found that many regions just don't care about things going on outside their little one hour radius. Divisional? Who cares! It's more than an hour away!
I'm serious. DC Region is one of the biggest regions in the country, and draws in 250+ people to a local event. Yet probably less than 10% of those people ever travel more than an hour to an event. They won't even drive 90 minutes to go to an event in Aberdeen, Maryland (just north of Baltimore). When things were changed so that people had to run by class instead of choosing the heat they run, a lot of the regulars actually just stopped coming to the SCCA events -- they still run the "council" events, but because things aren't run as if the world revolves around them and their concerns (as opposed to being fair and equitable conditions for all, and everyone having to do a work assignment, etc., etc.), they don't play with the SCCA any more.
Anyway, sorry to digress, but it basically seems like your region (Buccaneer?) doesn't really care about the Divisional series. They held their Divisional in March (which, BTW, was scheduled the same weekend as a National Tour in Arkansas... gee, wonder why some of the SEDiv regulars weren't in Jacksonville?), and now it seems that they are done with it. Go to the one that is more important to you, and realize that regional championships are the end-all-be-all for some people who will never take that next step to push themselves to become better drivers.
Karen
| zoomfactor | 06-07-2005 09:56 AM |
My $.02...
You run close to Atlanta. I would hope that when the event was re-scheduled to conflict with the Divisional, that this was considered. But, how many of your local club members have National/Regional aspirations? How many are going to the Divisional? If the vast majority of your members are staying local then the rescheduling seems reasonable.
You run close to Atlanta. I would hope that when the event was re-scheduled to conflict with the Divisional, that this was considered. But, how many of your local club members have National/Regional aspirations? How many are going to the Divisional? If the vast majority of your members are staying local then the rescheduling seems reasonable.
| thechickencow | 06-07-2005 09:59 AM |
Personally I say its just the choice you'd have to make. If you're a person thats going to be competing divisionally your choice should be easy. I do see your point though IF there are other dates availiable.
| BriDrive | 06-07-2005 09:59 AM |
A good point zoomfactor. In Buccaneer Region, I would venture to say less than 10 of the 85~100 regular participants will be effected (ie...are going to Atlanta).
| wrx2.0 555 | 06-07-2005 10:08 AM |
[QUOTE=BriDrive]A good point zoomfactor. In Buccaneer Region, I would venture to say less than 10 of the 85~100 regular participants will be effected (ie...are going to Atlanta).[/QUOTE]
I believe you are probably right.
I would definetely prefer to run against the likes of TH in Atlanta than to stay home.
Bri and I are each others toughest competition at home, so if one or the other isnt there then.....................well you get the point.......
Divisional's here I come----------TH.......look out....... :lol:
I believe you are probably right.
I would definetely prefer to run against the likes of TH in Atlanta than to stay home.
Bri and I are each others toughest competition at home, so if one or the other isnt there then.....................well you get the point.......
Divisional's here I come----------TH.......look out....... :lol:
| zoomfactor | 06-07-2005 10:08 AM |
OT - I love Whitehouse. It's so nice to have all that concrete in awesome condition. Down at the south end of the State we have busted expansion joints 3+ inches wide with chunks flying around.
| thrdeye | 06-07-2005 10:17 AM |
I think that they should attempt to schedule the event when there isn't something else going on.
That said, sometimes this is impossible to do. ETR has an event the Sunday of the Atlanta SeDiv. It was the only way we could get 12 events. Go to the meetings and make your voice heard. They may or may not make a change, but at least you tried.
I'll be at the SeDiv (w00t! first ever higher-level event) and will be missing out on the local event. We drop quite a few of your lowest finishes, so missing the local event will not hurt anything.
That said, sometimes this is impossible to do. ETR has an event the Sunday of the Atlanta SeDiv. It was the only way we could get 12 events. Go to the meetings and make your voice heard. They may or may not make a change, but at least you tried.
I'll be at the SeDiv (w00t! first ever higher-level event) and will be missing out on the local event. We drop quite a few of your lowest finishes, so missing the local event will not hurt anything.
| Impala SS AutoXer | 06-07-2005 11:49 AM |
Just a suggestion as relates to how we do it out in San Francisco Region.
Yes, we try to schedule events (approx 16/year in our "regular season" series from Jan to August, and 6-7/year in our "slush" series from Oct to Dec) so they don't conflict with other events.
Reality says : conflict is gonna happen ;).
Therefore, for series points we build in so that you get a "drop" every 4 events. So on a 16 event season, this means that there would be 4 drops and only your top 12 finishes count. If it ends up being a 15 (or 14 or 13 or 12) event season, there'd be 3 drops.
Net result : IF a conflict happens (either another autocross or that pesky "real world" interfering with racing :) ), it isn't the end of the world. Just catch you next event.
Yes, we try to schedule events (approx 16/year in our "regular season" series from Jan to August, and 6-7/year in our "slush" series from Oct to Dec) so they don't conflict with other events.
Reality says : conflict is gonna happen ;).
Therefore, for series points we build in so that you get a "drop" every 4 events. So on a 16 event season, this means that there would be 4 drops and only your top 12 finishes count. If it ends up being a 15 (or 14 or 13 or 12) event season, there'd be 3 drops.
Net result : IF a conflict happens (either another autocross or that pesky "real world" interfering with racing :) ), it isn't the end of the world. Just catch you next event.
| Roy Dietsch | 06-07-2005 12:23 PM |
The good guys go to the bigger event and the others get to save money and still have fun at home...since all the good guys are gone who cares if a 950 driver gets 1000 points in class, or what they could do is make it a no points event...not all want to drive that far and I think its unfair to the other 180 people to sacrifice and event becuase 20 are going to the bigger one...
Roy
Roy
| TheWRX | 06-07-2005 12:38 PM |
My view on this is similar to a few previous posters. You try your best to avoid date conflicts. But with a full regional schedule, divisionals, national events, other types of local car events (like rally-x or road races), it's difficult. Add boundary conditions like site availability, holidays, and other series changing their schedules, and you're going to have conflicts.
A local event and an event of your own division on the same day sounds like a very unfortunate conflict, though. I think that should be avoided whenever possible.
A local event and an event of your own division on the same day sounds like a very unfortunate conflict, though. I think that should be avoided whenever possible.
| ExitVisa | 06-07-2005 06:54 PM |
[QUOTE=wrx2.0 555]Heres the deal:
Our local site is a military site (Whitehouse for those that have been there).
Our next event was scheduled for June 26th.
About a week ago, due to military issues of some sort, the event had to be rescheduled. Our chairman chose to reschedule it for the prior weekend of June 18th/19th.
This is the same weekend as the Southeast Divisional in Atlanta.
Some have had the opinion that the Chairman did what he had to and the competitors need to "decide whats more important" and attend that appropriate event.
MY opinion is---we shouldnt be forced to choose at all. If your only option was schedule on top of the Divisional, then dont schedule it at all---schedule two for next month. Scott[/QUOTE]
In a perfect, Walgreens-esque (is that even a word??) perfect world you wouldn't have to choose. Nor would the SoloII chair have balance the desires of strictly local regulars & hot-shoes, who can afford to drive all over the country, when he/she has to reschedule an event. The site owners wouldn't have anything scheduled for the next month, there wouldn't be any major holidays on the weekends, there wouldn't be a National tour, ProSolo, Divisional, or Regional the next month, I would win the Powerball every single week and - um, nm.
I can understand your disappointment with not being able to attend all the local events, the Divisionals, etc. but hey, life isn't always fair. :)
Our local site is a military site (Whitehouse for those that have been there).
Our next event was scheduled for June 26th.
About a week ago, due to military issues of some sort, the event had to be rescheduled. Our chairman chose to reschedule it for the prior weekend of June 18th/19th.
This is the same weekend as the Southeast Divisional in Atlanta.
Some have had the opinion that the Chairman did what he had to and the competitors need to "decide whats more important" and attend that appropriate event.
MY opinion is---we shouldnt be forced to choose at all. If your only option was schedule on top of the Divisional, then dont schedule it at all---schedule two for next month. Scott[/QUOTE]
In a perfect, Walgreens-esque (is that even a word??) perfect world you wouldn't have to choose. Nor would the SoloII chair have balance the desires of strictly local regulars & hot-shoes, who can afford to drive all over the country, when he/she has to reschedule an event. The site owners wouldn't have anything scheduled for the next month, there wouldn't be any major holidays on the weekends, there wouldn't be a National tour, ProSolo, Divisional, or Regional the next month, I would win the Powerball every single week and - um, nm.
I can understand your disappointment with not being able to attend all the local events, the Divisionals, etc. but hey, life isn't always fair. :)
| PKer | 06-07-2005 07:32 PM |
[QUOTE=Roy Dietsch]The good guys go to the bigger event and the others get to save money and still have fun at home...since all the good guys are gone who cares if a 950 driver gets 1000 points in class, or what they could do is make it a no points event...not all want to drive that far and I think its unfair to the other 180 people to sacrifice and event becuase 20 are going to the bigger one...
Roy[/QUOTE]
True, I view local events that conflict with national events as a chance to finally win. (doesn't actually work though) :o
Roy[/QUOTE]
True, I view local events that conflict with national events as a chance to finally win. (doesn't actually work though) :o
| Fred | 06-07-2005 11:25 PM |
THSCC is not affiliated with SCCA, so we don't really put a huge emphasis on scheduling around their little events. :p :lol: What we doodoo, is try to make sure that [B]our [/B] various programs' (track, autox, rallyx) events don't get scheduled on the same day. Sometimes we've had track days during an autox - guess what? People choose between them & get on with their lives. There will always be something going on somewhere else in the world while you're doing what you choose to be doing. You just have to decide what's important to YOU and go. If there's a huge uproar over it, then I would say there should be a change. But if 5 people want to reschedule an event that 150 people will compete in regardless of whether the SCCA is doing something somewhere else in the world... :)
I'm really getting into rallycross recently, but I had volunteered months ago to co-chair an autox school & autox October 8 & 9 with my local club. Now SCCA goes & schedules a rallycross national championship during my event. Should I tell SCCA to reschedule it so I can attend both? :lol: (I'm a member of SCCA, too - so my input should be welcomed, right? :lol: )
What I'm basically saying is that it is much more important to make it easy on the VOLUNTEERS who are putting their hard work into the event than to accomodate a few people who would choose the other event anyway, even if they were both held on the same day. :)
I'm really getting into rallycross recently, but I had volunteered months ago to co-chair an autox school & autox October 8 & 9 with my local club. Now SCCA goes & schedules a rallycross national championship during my event. Should I tell SCCA to reschedule it so I can attend both? :lol: (I'm a member of SCCA, too - so my input should be welcomed, right? :lol: )
What I'm basically saying is that it is much more important to make it easy on the VOLUNTEERS who are putting their hard work into the event than to accomodate a few people who would choose the other event anyway, even if they were both held on the same day. :)
| zzyzx | 06-08-2005 02:05 AM |
[QUOTE=wrx2.0 555]I am quite curious--from more seasoned auto-xer's what your opinions are of the situation. This cant be the first time something like this has happened, so what have others done in an attempt to eliminate the conflicts.[/QUOTE]
We have a lot of this this year and it's only that way due to lot availability and other issues out of our control. I'm sure it's the same way in your Region. Those of us making decisions about such things do everything humanly possible to please people like you.
I'm both suprised this is the first time you've had to make such a choice and amused that you feel put out about it. Above all, remember that an event, local or otherwise, isn't all about you. If you did a head count of all those that feel impacted by the situation, I'm sure you'd find you're by far in the minority.
We have a lot of this this year and it's only that way due to lot availability and other issues out of our control. I'm sure it's the same way in your Region. Those of us making decisions about such things do everything humanly possible to please people like you.
I'm both suprised this is the first time you've had to make such a choice and amused that you feel put out about it. Above all, remember that an event, local or otherwise, isn't all about you. If you did a head count of all those that feel impacted by the situation, I'm sure you'd find you're by far in the minority.
| turboICE | 06-08-2005 02:19 AM |
[QUOTE=del105]If you don't like the way your region is being run you have 2 choices volunteer or quit.[/QUOTE]Finally someone came out and spoke the SCCA mantra publicly.
I too think the thread initiation is whining, but that is a person's right to do so. It is also your right to respond and respond how you wish - however in responding as you did your are discouraging your implied intent within the post. I too think that people should get involved but not at the expense of your alternative.
I also think that the SCCA is so inudated with people of your poor attitude that in reality none of you want anyone else that is not a cronny involved because you all want the club run with the 1959 view of the car world. It is hard enough just grinning and bearing it going to an event ran by people with your attitude - working with people with this attitude is beyond unbearable.
I too think the thread initiation is whining, but that is a person's right to do so. It is also your right to respond and respond how you wish - however in responding as you did your are discouraging your implied intent within the post. I too think that people should get involved but not at the expense of your alternative.
I also think that the SCCA is so inudated with people of your poor attitude that in reality none of you want anyone else that is not a cronny involved because you all want the club run with the 1959 view of the car world. It is hard enough just grinning and bearing it going to an event ran by people with your attitude - working with people with this attitude is beyond unbearable.
| wrx2.0 555 | 06-08-2005 06:41 AM |
[QUOTE=zzyzx]We have a lot of this this year and it's only that way due to lot availability and other issues out of our control. I'm sure it's the same way in your Region. Those of us making decisions about such things do everything humanly possible to please people like you.
I'm both suprised this is the first time you've had to make such a choice and amused that you feel put out about it. Above all, remember that an event, local or otherwise, isn't all about you. If you did a head count of all those that feel impacted by the situation, I'm sure you'd find you're by far in the minority.[/QUOTE]
YOU GUYS ARE TAKING THIS THE WRONG WAY.............
"I" am NOT "put out" about it. Maybe I should have given more detail as to why I posted it on here.
My decision never changed or was even questioned about going to the Divisional instead of the regional. I will go to the Divisional...PERIOD...
I asked because on our yahoo email group, this topic was getting beat to death by everyone else...NOT ME...
However....because I am a part of the club and do attend the monthly member meetings, I will have the opportunity to voice my opinion of the matter. I have already voiced it once in the email group conversation.
I CAN have an opinion that doesnt agree with the decision in place whether it puts me out or not.
Regardless of how it affects me or doesnt I still plan on voicing my opinion based on how I feel its affecting everyone or could have affected me.
There are several in the group that feel the way I do about the decision.
Mike King for example could care less about regional points, but this decision was made in haste and caused a lot of contraversy, so Mike agrees with me on this.
Thanks for all the input, though---ALL opinions are always welcome---
Scott
I'm both suprised this is the first time you've had to make such a choice and amused that you feel put out about it. Above all, remember that an event, local or otherwise, isn't all about you. If you did a head count of all those that feel impacted by the situation, I'm sure you'd find you're by far in the minority.[/QUOTE]
YOU GUYS ARE TAKING THIS THE WRONG WAY.............
"I" am NOT "put out" about it. Maybe I should have given more detail as to why I posted it on here.
My decision never changed or was even questioned about going to the Divisional instead of the regional. I will go to the Divisional...PERIOD...
I asked because on our yahoo email group, this topic was getting beat to death by everyone else...NOT ME...
However....because I am a part of the club and do attend the monthly member meetings, I will have the opportunity to voice my opinion of the matter. I have already voiced it once in the email group conversation.
I CAN have an opinion that doesnt agree with the decision in place whether it puts me out or not.
Regardless of how it affects me or doesnt I still plan on voicing my opinion based on how I feel its affecting everyone or could have affected me.
There are several in the group that feel the way I do about the decision.
Mike King for example could care less about regional points, but this decision was made in haste and caused a lot of contraversy, so Mike agrees with me on this.
Thanks for all the input, though---ALL opinions are always welcome---
Scott
| turboICE | 06-08-2005 09:25 AM |
Whining comment withdrawn. :o
| zzyzx | 06-08-2005 01:22 PM |
[QUOTE=wrx2.0 555]There are several in the group that feel the way I do about the decision. Mike King for example could care less about regional points, but this decision was made in haste and caused a lot of contraversy, so Mike agrees with me on this.[/QUOTE]
There would be "several" in a similar situation here in my Region, me being one of them. To quantify several - maybe 10. Our events typically see 135 participants. That's a whopping 7% that are affected. I would say that by and large, event dates are more affected by the minority (those who compete nationally), then the average joe autocrosser. It's probably the same in your Region. Something to think about.
And, if you find yourself misunderstood, then perhaps your original message didn't convey what your message was? Also something to think about.
There would be "several" in a similar situation here in my Region, me being one of them. To quantify several - maybe 10. Our events typically see 135 participants. That's a whopping 7% that are affected. I would say that by and large, event dates are more affected by the minority (those who compete nationally), then the average joe autocrosser. It's probably the same in your Region. Something to think about.
And, if you find yourself misunderstood, then perhaps your original message didn't convey what your message was? Also something to think about.
| trhoppe | 06-08-2005 01:41 PM |
I haven't read the responses but when I autoxed with THSCC, they "tried" to not conflict dates with national/divisional events. But when they did, it was like zzyzx said, maybe only 10 out of the 150 that usually attend would be affected, so tough.
-Tom
-Tom
| cac3780 | 06-08-2005 07:37 PM |
The Philly region tried not to conflict too many dates either. I think we had one conflict when the schedule was put out. Now we have two. We have a points event during the NEDiv. Our local schedule was out before the NEDiv was scheduled though so it's not like we planned the conflict.
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