| Orion | 08-19-2005 12:20 AM |
October Fastrack out
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In the ST world: Treadwear change had been withdrawn.
Stock: Lots of recommendations and withdrawals based on member coments, Subies staying put but others around them will be moving possibly. I'm stuck in GS so it looks like another year of local autoxing only, thankfully we have a decent RallyX program building too. Too bad Topeka can't get RallyX classing right either.....:lol:
[url="http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/05-10-fastrack.pdf"]http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/05-10-fastrack.pdf[/url]
Stock: Lots of recommendations and withdrawals based on member coments, Subies staying put but others around them will be moving possibly. I'm stuck in GS so it looks like another year of local autoxing only, thankfully we have a decent RallyX program building too. Too bad Topeka can't get RallyX classing right either.....:lol:
[url="http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/05-10-fastrack.pdf"]http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/05-10-fastrack.pdf[/url]
| rankink | 08-19-2005 07:18 AM |
For AS they are waiting until Nationals to decide on moving the Camaro SS and Firebird WS6 to FS, and proposing moving the Mustang Cobra there too. I agree with all of those. They withdrew moving the C4 to SS, S2000 to BS, C5 (non Z06) to AS and 911 to AS. I still have to deal with those pesky Hondas in AS.
| KC | 08-19-2005 07:57 AM |
Yeah, that treadwear proposal was just a *tad* over the edge. I think it's good that it got squashizziled fo shizzle.
--kC
--kC
| TheWRX | 08-19-2005 08:19 AM |
"The SPAC is reviewing member proposals regarding a class for very high-powered FWD and/or AWD turbo cars." Sounds like a new SP class for the STi/Evo isn't completely out of the question.
| GRMPer | 08-19-2005 09:00 AM |
Interesting that a bunch of the other GS--->HS moves didn't happen....
Yea HS MINI!
Per
Yea HS MINI!
Per
| KC | 08-19-2005 09:08 AM |
Ooohhh... IonRedline, Cobalt SS and SRT-4 to GS. GS mini days are numbered.
--kC
--kC
| GRMPer | 08-19-2005 09:13 AM |
But....Cooper S to D pending after nationals...so it's numbered anyway!
| KC | 08-19-2005 09:27 AM |
[QUOTE=GRMPer]But....Cooper S to D pending after nationals...so it's numbered anyway![/QUOTE]
That.. I don't understand. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I mean, it's a good move, but if they did that, they should leave at least the SRT4 in DS.
--kC
That.. I don't understand. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I mean, it's a good move, but if they did that, they should leave at least the SRT4 in DS.
--kC
| CamaroFS34 | 08-19-2005 11:25 AM |
[QUOTE=rankink]For AS they are waiting until Nationals to decide on moving the Camaro SS and Firebird WS6 to FS, and proposing moving the Mustang Cobra there too. I agree with all of those.[/QUOTE]
I don't agree with the SS move to FS. I used to, until the full scope of the "problem" with the SS became clear -- severe lack of documentation for the changes, especially in terms of updated differentials (T2 vs. Auburn Pro for the 96-98).
But this isn't FRRAX, so I'm not going to go into the issues here.
Karen
I don't agree with the SS move to FS. I used to, until the full scope of the "problem" with the SS became clear -- severe lack of documentation for the changes, especially in terms of updated differentials (T2 vs. Auburn Pro for the 96-98).
But this isn't FRRAX, so I'm not going to go into the issues here.
Karen
| Draken | 08-19-2005 11:31 AM |
Seems strange that DS was created to have the new hot pocket rockets in it. Yet since they can't run with a Type R or 330, they all get shuffled down to GS.
Also, Mx-6 and Probe too fast for HS...yet '02 Civic Si and RSX non-S go to HS? I can think of several 160hp 2700-2800lb cars in GS, why are these two Honda products so special?
Chris H.
Also, Mx-6 and Probe too fast for HS...yet '02 Civic Si and RSX non-S go to HS? I can think of several 160hp 2700-2800lb cars in GS, why are these two Honda products so special?
Chris H.
| thrdeye | 08-19-2005 11:51 AM |
Anyone have any info on the Mazdaspeed Protege move to GS?
| ratt_finkel | 08-19-2005 11:58 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]Ooohhh... IonRedline, Cobalt SS and SRT-4 to GS. GS mini days are numbered.
--kC[/QUOTE]
And everything else is GS. Honestly KC, I think the 05 MCS could and would take the current DS Champ.
--kC[/QUOTE]
And everything else is GS. Honestly KC, I think the 05 MCS could and would take the current DS Champ.
| 10th Warrior | 08-19-2005 12:00 PM |
not to mention the Celica GT to DS possibly! yet, the SRT4 should go to G :rolleyes:
and what about the proposed move for the 6th gen celica to HS?
and what about the proposed move for the 6th gen celica to HS?
| CamaroFS34 | 08-19-2005 05:34 PM |
Or the 200SX SE-R to HS, while it's Sentra SE-R and NX2000 brethren languish in GS? :lol:
C'mon, guys! You're acting like Solo2 stock category classing is supposed to make [i]sense[/i]! ;)
Karen
C'mon, guys! You're acting like Solo2 stock category classing is supposed to make [i]sense[/i]! ;)
Karen
| trhoppe | 08-19-2005 05:43 PM |
At least we got an Oil cooler for T2 :banana:
-Tom
-Tom
| MrDestructo | 08-19-2005 07:23 PM |
[font=BookmanOldStyle][size=2]So what does:[/size][/font]
" Previously published items, being recommended to BOD"
actually mean?
(scca noob here)..
" Previously published items, being recommended to BOD"
actually mean?
(scca noob here)..
| CamaroFS34 | 08-19-2005 08:39 PM |
[QUOTE=MrDestructo][font=BookmanOldStyle][size=2]So what does:[/size][/font]
" Previously published items, being recommended to BOD"
actually mean?
(scca noob here)..[/QUOTE]
It means that the board in charge (Solo Events Board, for the autocross stuff) has sent those recommendations to the Board of Directors, who has the final say. Usually, the BOD approves anything "recommended" to it, but there are the occasional times where it does not (a huge Prepared category upheaval being a recent case with autocross).
If something has been recommended to the BOD, any last ditch effort to get it "taken care of" by members must take the form of letters to the BOD, explaining why your think the SEB (or the club racing board or the RRB or whatever) is wrong.
Once the BOD approves it, it becomes a rule.
Karen
" Previously published items, being recommended to BOD"
actually mean?
(scca noob here)..[/QUOTE]
It means that the board in charge (Solo Events Board, for the autocross stuff) has sent those recommendations to the Board of Directors, who has the final say. Usually, the BOD approves anything "recommended" to it, but there are the occasional times where it does not (a huge Prepared category upheaval being a recent case with autocross).
If something has been recommended to the BOD, any last ditch effort to get it "taken care of" by members must take the form of letters to the BOD, explaining why your think the SEB (or the club racing board or the RRB or whatever) is wrong.
Once the BOD approves it, it becomes a rule.
Karen
| EHK | 08-21-2005 11:43 PM |
all that and the pathetic SpecV is still a DS car?
Yea, I bet they run DS and GS in the same heat on the same days at Nationals to really see how they stack up. And FS and SS too. How about AS and BS, or maybe ESP and BSP. Geez, you would think someone other than Suzy Johnson from Topeka Kansas has a brain (btw, she put the Pixies Surfa Rosa into Gold Record early in June!!!)
Ahh, to be in the 'club'
Yea, I bet they run DS and GS in the same heat on the same days at Nationals to really see how they stack up. And FS and SS too. How about AS and BS, or maybe ESP and BSP. Geez, you would think someone other than Suzy Johnson from Topeka Kansas has a brain (btw, she put the Pixies Surfa Rosa into Gold Record early in June!!!)
Ahh, to be in the 'club'
| CamaroFS34 | 08-22-2005 07:54 AM |
[QUOTE=EHK]all that and the pathetic SpecV is still a DS car?[/QUOTE]
I don't know, Eric... maybe if you stopped beating up on all the Hype[color=red][b]R[/b][/color]s in the DC region, the SEB would consider moving it. ;) :lol:
Karen
I don't know, Eric... maybe if you stopped beating up on all the Hype[color=red][b]R[/b][/color]s in the DC region, the SEB would consider moving it. ;) :lol:
Karen
| Scoobie Doogie | 08-22-2005 09:47 AM |
Ouch...that hurt Karen. :lol: Eric is an unusually fast driver in his Spec V. I bet they do run GS and DS close to see where to put the Mini though. We've seen Chiles and Garfield out do DS several times in DC. Apparently Fitz was beat by a GS Mini as well.
Dave
Dave
| thrdeye | 08-22-2005 09:59 AM |
cough cough
[QUOTE=thrdeye]Anyone have any info on the Mazdaspeed Protege move to GS?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=thrdeye]Anyone have any info on the Mazdaspeed Protege move to GS?[/QUOTE]
| KC | 08-22-2005 10:03 AM |
From reading SCCA forums:
[QUOTE] I think something got seriously lost in the translation between what the SAC recommended and what got published in Fastrack. Several of the items listed as previously published (e.g. non-Z06 C5 Corvette to AS, S2000 to BS) were member letters written to the SEB; they were never published as proposals for member comment in Fastrack. As for the Celica GT move to DS, this was never the SAC's intent; we summarily rejected the one letter we received suggesting this.
I'll find out what happened and report back.
Steve
- SAC
[/QUOTE]
Haven't heard back yet. Looks like something communications-wise failed... miserably.
[QUOTE] I think something got seriously lost in the translation between what the SAC recommended and what got published in Fastrack. Several of the items listed as previously published (e.g. non-Z06 C5 Corvette to AS, S2000 to BS) were member letters written to the SEB; they were never published as proposals for member comment in Fastrack. As for the Celica GT move to DS, this was never the SAC's intent; we summarily rejected the one letter we received suggesting this.
I'll find out what happened and report back.
Steve
- SAC
[/QUOTE]
Haven't heard back yet. Looks like something communications-wise failed... miserably.
| AUTOwrXER | 08-22-2005 11:06 AM |
[QUOTE=TheWRX]"The SPAC is reviewing member proposals regarding a class for very high-powered FWD and/or AWD turbo cars." Sounds like a new SP class for the STi/Evo isn't completely out of the question.[/QUOTE]
That's not a good thing. STi/Evo versus cars that cost 5 times as much makes for a terrible money class. I'm thinking Lambo Gallardo, Porsche 911 Turbo, etc. 500+ whp with 335s > 370 whp with 285s.
That's not a good thing. STi/Evo versus cars that cost 5 times as much makes for a terrible money class. I'm thinking Lambo Gallardo, Porsche 911 Turbo, etc. 500+ whp with 335s > 370 whp with 285s.
| DrBiggly | 08-22-2005 11:12 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]From reading SCCA forums:
Haven't heard back yet. Looks like something communications-wise failed... miserably.[/QUOTE]
OMG!! A first! :p
Haven't heard back yet. Looks like something communications-wise failed... miserably.[/QUOTE]
OMG!! A first! :p
| z3coupe | 08-22-2005 12:05 PM |
What was 05-170 (WRX STi classing), and why was it not reccomended?
| KC | 08-22-2005 12:15 PM |
Rocky: [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10802750&postcount=22[/url]
| CamaroFS34 | 08-22-2005 12:32 PM |
[QUOTE=z3coupe]What was 05-170 (WRX STi classing), and why was it not reccomended?[/QUOTE]
If I had to guess, it was a certain person's proposal that the STi be moved to [i][b]A[/i][/b]SP instead of BSP.
Karen
If I had to guess, it was a certain person's proposal that the STi be moved to [i][b]A[/i][/b]SP instead of BSP.
Karen
| AUTOwrXER | 08-22-2005 02:28 PM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]If I had to guess, it was a certain person's proposal that the STi be moved to [i][b]A[/i][/b]SP instead of BSP.
Karen[/QUOTE]
I wonder who that could be...
Karen[/QUOTE]
I wonder who that could be...
| trhoppe | 08-22-2005 02:33 PM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]I wonder who that could be...[/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
They should list the names like they do in the Club Racing one. I already got crap for asking for suspension mods to the STi in T2 ;) :lol:
-Tom
:lol: :lol: :lol:
They should list the names like they do in the Club Racing one. I already got crap for asking for suspension mods to the STi in T2 ;) :lol:
-Tom
| sciolist | 08-22-2005 04:15 PM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]I wonder who that could be...[/QUOTE]
Presumably someone who either lacks an understanding of ASP performance levels, or with an axe to grind against the STi.
Presumably someone who either lacks an understanding of ASP performance levels, or with an axe to grind against the STi.
| AUTOwrXER | 08-23-2005 11:37 AM |
Actually I know exactly who it is. It's a certain Corvette-lover in my region who wants to protect the C4s in BSP.
| sciolist | 08-23-2005 11:54 AM |
[QUOTE=AUTOwrXER]Actually I know exactly who it is. It's a certain Corvette-lover in my region who wants to protect the C4s in BSP.[/QUOTE]
Hmmm. I'm going to take that as an informed statement of good faith that the STi actually has a serious chance in national BSP events.
Hmmm. I'm going to take that as an informed statement of good faith that the STi actually has a serious chance in national BSP events.
| KC | 08-23-2005 12:03 PM |
[QUOTE=sciolist]Hmmm. I'm going to take that as an informed statement of good faith that the STi actually has a serious chance in national BSP events.[/QUOTE]
No, it's an informed statement that a certain corvette lover doesn't want STis in the class he runs in.
No, it's an informed statement that a certain corvette lover doesn't want STis in the class he runs in.
| sciolist | 08-23-2005 12:09 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]No, it's an informed statement that a certain corvette lover doesn't want STis in the class he runs in.[/QUOTE]
Well, from what I've seen, some of the BSP Vettes don't appear to need much protection from STi's - boost restrictions or not. :(
Well, from what I've seen, some of the BSP Vettes don't appear to need much protection from STi's - boost restrictions or not. :(
| CamaroFS34 | 08-23-2005 12:21 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]No, it's an informed statement that a certain corvette lover doesn't want STis in the class he runs in.[/QUOTE]
*ding*ding*ding*!!! :)
Karen
*ding*ding*ding*!!! :)
Karen
| crystalhelix | 08-23-2005 03:23 PM |
[QUOTE=sciolist]Well, from what I've seen, some of the BSP Vettes don't appear to need much protection from STi's - boost restrictions or not. :([/QUOTE]
I think it will depend greatly on the region. I am running ESP this year, car not even fully ESP prepared and I have averaged 2.474 seconds better than local BSP best raw times. It all depends on how much you put into your driving and how well you prepare your car within the rules. I got smashed by 14 people at nationals in my class yet this is how it stacks up local for me. But I guess when people talk classes on this forum that they are thinking on the "national" level. ;)
J
I think it will depend greatly on the region. I am running ESP this year, car not even fully ESP prepared and I have averaged 2.474 seconds better than local BSP best raw times. It all depends on how much you put into your driving and how well you prepare your car within the rules. I got smashed by 14 people at nationals in my class yet this is how it stacks up local for me. But I guess when people talk classes on this forum that they are thinking on the "national" level. ;)
J
| WRX_Mundi | 08-24-2005 12:45 AM |
[QUOTE=crystalhelix]I think it will depend greatly on the region. I am running ESP this year, car not even fully ESP prepared and I have averaged 2.474 seconds better than local BSP best raw times. [...][/quote]I believe sciolist was thinking of Harold Olsen in his BSP Vette. Just a [i]bit[/i] faster than local east coast Vettes.
One problem with the forums is that you rarely know if someone is talking locally or nationally. Knowing some of the people's names you can get a better idea, and most of the people here are talking about national level. Local reslts are mostly meaningless as it really depends who's in the class -- I normally win ESP here by 3+ seconds, but that says much more about my competors than it does about me (car underprepared, 1 second per side behind Navid at Pro).
At least one "protect the endangered BSP Corvette" thread was up at sccaforums. Even with boost control I don't have high hopes at a national level, though obviously it's much better than without! Locally it'll be fun with boost control but won't really change any results for me.
One problem with the forums is that you rarely know if someone is talking locally or nationally. Knowing some of the people's names you can get a better idea, and most of the people here are talking about national level. Local reslts are mostly meaningless as it really depends who's in the class -- I normally win ESP here by 3+ seconds, but that says much more about my competors than it does about me (car underprepared, 1 second per side behind Navid at Pro).
At least one "protect the endangered BSP Corvette" thread was up at sccaforums. Even with boost control I don't have high hopes at a national level, though obviously it's much better than without! Locally it'll be fun with boost control but won't really change any results for me.
| crystalhelix | 08-24-2005 08:57 AM |
Yep. I would like to open up boost control just so I could figure out my UTEC a little easier. I am picking one up off a friend and I need to disable the UTEC boost controlling feature and it sounds a little tricky. Next year it would be nice to tune the boost as well. Any more assurance as to whether or not this rule will take place. STi-->BSP
Also...I know this may sound strange but....As I said above, I am afraid that next year I will have 5 or 6 BSP drivers pissed that I am in their class. I like the local ESP crew because they are good drivers, and good competition, and we talk openly. The BSP crew locally are good drivers as well but I think they aren't as "prepared" as I am and most of them are running street tires in BSP? Anyways, I am saying I'd rather race with people that want to race against me rather than people that will gripe all the time and not talk to me.
Also...I know this may sound strange but....As I said above, I am afraid that next year I will have 5 or 6 BSP drivers pissed that I am in their class. I like the local ESP crew because they are good drivers, and good competition, and we talk openly. The BSP crew locally are good drivers as well but I think they aren't as "prepared" as I am and most of them are running street tires in BSP? Anyways, I am saying I'd rather race with people that want to race against me rather than people that will gripe all the time and not talk to me.
| AUTOwrXER | 08-25-2005 10:16 AM |
If they're not prepared, then they don't have a leg to stand on in that argument. I easily beat non-prepared ASP and SM cars. The 'Vettes and good M3s will be a challenge in BSP, but with the move to asphalt I think it closes the gap. FWIW, Olsen is damn fast but my money is on Mitchell.
Justin - disabling boost control in the UTEC is very easy. Just take the wastegate solenoid wire from the factory harness and wire it directly to the factory ECU, bypassing the UTEC. Now the UTEC has no way of modifying boost, and you can run as many maps as you want.
-Joel
Justin - disabling boost control in the UTEC is very easy. Just take the wastegate solenoid wire from the factory harness and wire it directly to the factory ECU, bypassing the UTEC. Now the UTEC has no way of modifying boost, and you can run as many maps as you want.
-Joel
| KC | 08-25-2005 10:41 AM |
Corrections to the Oct Fastrack have been posted on the SCCA site: [url]http://www.scca.org/garage/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2547&PN=1&TPN=1[/url]
--kC
--kC
| crystalhelix | 08-25-2005 11:04 AM |
[QUOTE]Member letter 05-170 - Reclassify Subaru WRX STi to Super Stock - Not recommended [/QUOTE]
Ha!!!!! That's just funny. Someone in AS must be getting spanked by a good STi driver.
J
Ha!!!!! That's just funny. Someone in AS must be getting spanked by a good STi driver.
J
| sciolist | 08-25-2005 12:01 PM |
[QUOTE=WRX_Mundi]I believe sciolist was thinking of Harold Olsen in his BSP Vette. Just a [i]bit[/i] faster than local east coast Vettes.[/QUOTE]
Indeed.
Obviously there's a great deal of variation in the drivers and the cars showing up at local events. Regardless of one's desire to compete beyond the local level, I think the national-level results give a better illustration of a given car's competitiveness in a given class. Presumably the national contenders are a little more uniformly prepared - drivers and cars.
Indeed.
Obviously there's a great deal of variation in the drivers and the cars showing up at local events. Regardless of one's desire to compete beyond the local level, I think the national-level results give a better illustration of a given car's competitiveness in a given class. Presumably the national contenders are a little more uniformly prepared - drivers and cars.
| jcroy66 | 08-25-2005 01:26 PM |
[QUOTE=crystalhelix]Ha!!!!! That's just funny. Someone in AS must be getting spanked by a good STi driver.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that was my reaction too. "Some random guy is getting spanked at local events by an STi and so decides "they're just too fast for AS". :lol:
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