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opinion/experience with clear bras part 1

wrxxed 03-02-2004 04:26 PM

opinion/experiance with clear bras
The ones for your car,not your chest(although a clear one of those would be great) any have an opinion ,I'm thinking of putting one on my sti?
Thanks:lol:
cnk 03-02-2004 04:32 PM

Well worth it. I put it on my car 2 weeks after purchasing it and haven't had any problems. Wish they made it for the entire hood as I've picked up little nicks here and there. I got the hood, fenders, and side mirrors. If I were you, I'd get the bumper as well. i didn't get it done and it looks pretty bad up close now.

Calvin
Subie Gal 03-02-2004 06:04 PM

have had my Stongard for about a year now:

[img]http://www.subiegal.com/images/car%20stuff/rs/rs_2004/impreza_badge2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.subiegal.com/images/events/subarism_feb04/impreza_25rs2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.subiegal.com/images/car%20stuff/rs/rs_2003/subaru_impreza_fog.jpg[/img]

love the stuff. kit includes:
door handles
door edges
mirrors
hood scoop
hood and fender edges
entire front bumper assy

excellent stuff.
Jamie
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
reno_bk 03-02-2004 06:34 PM

I put a full StonGard kit on the front of my WRX right after I bought it last year and I have mixed feelings about it. Does it offer more protection than naked paint? Absolutely. But...

After a winter of commuting over Donner Pass from Sacramento to Reno in the snow, the 3m film on front of the car is looking a little sand-blasted. Sure, the paint underneath the film is likely okay, but since the film is showing the same kind of pitting as the paint would, I don't know if I came out ahead. I imagined the film would be a great deal tougher than it really is...even the super thick film on the headlights is showing the same pitting as the rest of the film.

The film is good stuff and it will definitely save the paint from a great deal of wear, but for the money I'm not so sure I'd do it again. The front of my car's already looking a little ratty after one winter and I think that after a few more, I'll have to have the clear bra replaced (which costs almost as much as repainting). If I lived somewhere that didn't sand the roads for 5 months a year, then I think the 3m film would be a lot more durable and probably look new for many years.

Brian
satrya 03-02-2004 06:59 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by reno_bk [/i]
[B]After a winter of commuting over Donner Pass from Sacramento to Reno in the snow, the 3m film on front of the car is looking a little sand-blasted. [/B][/QUOTE]
Perhaps this is a somewhat extreme example of severe road condition (in terms of the amount & adversity of road debris on the vehicle).

For my regular commute (highway, no snow/salt, occasional pebble shower from gravel-carrying-trucks on the highway), the 3M Scotchcal has done a commendable job. 2 1/4 years on my GD impreza, and about 1 1/2 years on my SG forester. Thus far, there have been only minor nicks on the 3M Scotchcal sheet, while the unprotected parts of the hood + front bumper cover show much more road debris impact. The lens protection on the headlights & fogs have not shown much degradation.

As reno_bk said, the clearbra material is a good & useful material for paint & lens protection. However, there may be a cost issue.

Depending on the cost of hood + front bumper cover repaint vs. a clearbra install, clearbra is not always the answer. I know for a fact that I would rather do a DIY 3M Scotchcal install (which brings the cost down significantly) than do a DIY front bumper cover + hood repaint (which would probably result in sub par finish and a lot of mess for not so much cost savings). On the DIY clearbra install route, there's also the raw material that you can buy instead of the pre-cut sheets. That plus DIY install pushes down the cost far below a repaint job imho.
mindchatter 03-03-2004 02:15 PM

The posts above are all good advice, so I won't repeat what they advised. I would warn that when/if you get the clearbra installed you go somewhere that has done at least one, if not several, STi's. When I got mine done the installer hadn't yet done an STi and I don't feel mine came out too well....I have bubbles and some dirt trapped under the film. Still protecting....but it looks sorta ghetto....which drives me nuts. HTH.
satrya 03-03-2004 02:55 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by STiDayDreamin' [/i]
[B]I would warn that when/if you get the clearbra installed you go somewhere that has done at least one, if not several, STi's. [/B][/QUOTE]
Reasonable note imho. However, a not-so-experienced installer may cause the same missteps no matter how many identical installs he/she has done.

[QUOTE][B]I have bubbles and some dirt trapped under the film. Still protecting....but it looks sorta ghetto....which drives me nuts. HTH. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm sure Rockblocker or other pro installers can give you advice on this, but there's a special tool you can get that looks like a pen. It has a pin with a specific shape and length that can poke a breather hole on bubbles without scratching/marring the paint surface. Perhaps you'd want to try that on the trapped bubbles; that is if the install was recent. It probably won't work if the clearbra has been installed for a while.
ERIC DRAVEN 03-03-2004 06:36 PM

if you are in the Bay Area call Vince at Omega tint works.Do a search and you can find his #.i got mine done there does very good work.it is still cheaper than repainting:D
wrxxed 03-03-2004 07:13 PM

Thanks for all the great input!! I was concerned the NYC traffic/weather would do the same to my new sti that it did to my 02 wrx wagon. But I think the silver will hide a lot of the stuff that stood out on MBP. Thanks! I think I'll opt not to put it on.:rolleyes:
RockBlocker 03-04-2004 10:52 AM

wrxxed,

It looks like everyone has given you a lot of good feedback on the clear bra. Whether it is for or against getting the product.

As a user/installer and designer of the product I cant tell how great it is to have it on the car. You dont get pissed off at all the chips on your car, the cost to repaint is not there and to top it off the resale value will increase. If you can live with the chips then this product is not for you. If someone tells you the clear bra costs as much as a paint job then they either are not getting a full kit or they must have a hook up at the bodyshop.

I am getting my entire front end worked on right now (brush in the snow) They are repainting the hood, fenders, front panels and front bumper. The cost is $1200. The rockblocker full kit is only $266 plus install which is well below the repaint costs.

From working at dealerships a long time ago the used car managers I dealt with looked at the product as a $500 upgrade and benefit. The reason is simple, they could sell the car to a second owner for $1000-1500 more since it didnt have any rock chips.

There are several things that are very important when buying the product.

- Know what you are getting for your money
- Having it installed by a professional ( Lee Berrebi for you in NJ)
- Making sure that you clean and wax the product like you do to the rest of car. Sure idrt builds up, but if you take an extra second as you are washing and make sure to clean the edges it will be all good.

If you have any questions on the product please feel free to check out our site or email me. I never try to talk anyone into getting the product if they are unsure, because it can bit you in the long run.

Of course my opinion might look biased and I am not trying to come across that way just to educate people.

my.02
Sith_Lord 03-04-2004 12:55 PM

User bedabi has one of those on his car. I saw it at a meet last year. It was all yellow (I assume form the sun). In my opinion, I'd rather have some touchup paint visible on my hood than a slightly piss color hood.
cnk 03-04-2004 12:58 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sith_Lord [/i]
[B]User bedabi has one of those on his car. I saw it at a meet last year. It was all yellow (I assume form the sun). In my opinion, I'd rather have some touchup paint visible on my hood than a slightly piss color hood. [/B][/QUOTE]

That's weird. . .where did he get his from? I've had mine on for almost 2 years and there is no yellowing. . .looks just as good as the day I put it on.

Calvin
RockBlocker 03-04-2004 11:19 PM

Mine neither on 5 vehicles including silver.

3M states 1 in 20,000 kits will yellow for an unknown reason. That is whay we guarantee the film will not yellow for as long as you own the car just in case.

Another thought of how the material can yellow is if you are on the freeway a lot with diesel trucks on the roads. They omit fumes that can cause the material to yellow.

my .02
Just Be 03-05-2004 11:09 AM

Are there certain car colors that look better and show less signs of wear after installing a clear bra/Rockblocker?
garlo 03-05-2004 01:55 PM

I purchased a full kit from RockBlocker for my �04 STi. The kit fit great. There is no way you could get the same fitment using bulk material. I did purchase some additional bulk material in 6�, 4� and 2� widths. I used the 6� to cover the rocker panels and bumper behind the rear wheels. I used the 4� on the �A� pillars and the 2� on the edge of the wheel wells. For my first time doing it I was pretty pleased with the results. I have to admit I�m not sure if I do it again myself. I used the mirrors as my trial-and-error point because it was easy to cut out additional pieces from the bulk material if I needed to (4 times) and it was one of the most difficult spots to do because of the compound curves. I figured if I could master the mirror I should be OK on the rest of the installation. The one piece on the front bumper was a little tricky because it�s so big. But, with a lot of patience and always remembering to keep the material and my hands wet with the water solution it turned out fine.

Part of the reason I�m responding to this post is to expound on another plus to having a RockBlocker kit on the car. The other day I was pulling into a parking spot at the mall as usual at least a � mile away from anyone else. It was a corner spot with a curb in front and on the side. My girlfriend was telling me to park in a different spot when suddenly I heard the dreaded scraping sound of the front air dam hitting the curb. I backed up, parked the car and got out to take a look. Ugh! The air dam was scraped about 1� up and about a foot across on the right corner. It was a high curb and it looked like it really ripped into the plastic. Well, low and behold, upon further examination it turns out all the shredding I saw was the protective film! Other then a small scrap about 1� wide there was no damage at all! All I had to do was peel off the film and patch in a 1-foot piece of the 2� bulk material I had left over.

In addition to having RockBlocker on the car the other thing I do to help alleviate stone chips is to leave as much distance between me and the car in front of me. I realize it is not always possible to have this kind of spacing between cars with drivers constantly looking for open spaces in traffic, but I do it when I can. Of course, this method has no effect with curbs.:)
RockBlocker 03-06-2004 10:27 AM

[QUOTE]Are there certain car colors that look better and show less signs of wear after installing a clear bra/Rockblocker?[/QUOTE]

The myth of certain colors looking better than others is really a false belief in my opinion.

If you keep your car clean as well as the product with regular waxes then it doesnt matter what color you have the product on. If yoiu dont ever wash and wax the car then I would say silver is the best color to have, but we all know that we wash and wax our cars reguraly, right?

Garlo,

Thanks for chiming in and giving your input on the product and what it has done for you. That is great!!!
pjdwrx 03-06-2004 02:29 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by garlo [/i]
[B]My girlfriend was telling me to park in a different spot when suddenly I heard the dreaded scraping sound of the front air dam hitting the curb. [/B][/QUOTE]
So basically, it's your girlfriends fault you curbed the STi.

Dump her.

J/K ;)

I'm about to the point of doing the entire car with it. People are SO RUDE about just bashing other cars with their doors. Far as I can tell, it hasn't happened to mine yet, but I know it's out there....just waiting to happen. :furious:
RockBlocker 03-06-2004 08:28 PM

You know we can make that happen this week. Cover the entire car with clear bra that is, LOL

see you Monday night ;)
SilverBoosted 03-07-2004 08:29 AM

I had my Renegade done about 3 weeks ago... Last week had the headlight,foglights and marker lights done as well.... It looks awsome and so far so good....
drees 03-07-2004 11:39 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by pjdwrx [/i]
[B]I'm about to the point of doing the entire car with it. People are SO RUDE about just bashing other cars with their doors. Far as I can tell, it hasn't happened to mine yet, but I know it's out there....just waiting to happen. :furious: [/B][/QUOTE] That's a great idea, I bet a 4-6" strip down the doors and a 2" strip along the edges of the fenders would take care of most of the scratches that occur from door dings, and the extra padding should help prevent door dings, too.
RockBlocker 03-07-2004 11:42 AM

We got bulk material too if you need or want to do the sides.

[URL=http://www.rockblocker.com/bulkmaterial.htm]Click Here[/URL]
wrxxed 03-10-2004 07:21 PM

Ive changed my mind ,I'll be ordering some 8mil soon. Thanks for all the input guys!
RockBlocker 03-10-2004 08:32 PM

Glad everyone was able to help ya...

Good Luck and let me know if we can do anything else for you!

Amber:)
satrya 03-10-2004 09:25 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrxxed [/i]
[B]Ive changed my mind ,I'll be ordering some 8mil soon. Thanks for all the input guys! [/B][/QUOTE]
Here's a suggestion.

Although you've already decided to go ahead with it, if you're not that worried about chipping given the silver body color, you might want to try to install it on only half of the vehicle (e.g. split the hood protector in half and install only the passenger side), and then observe the difference as time goes by. The result is probably something that a lot of people here would be interested to know.

On the other hand, you could just install them completely and compare with unprotected areas which supposedly get less debris impact. In my case, I see quite a bit of chips on the upper (unprotected) portion of the hood & fenders from highway driving, and convinces me enough that it works to some extent. However, the half install suggestion I made above is probably a better measure of the degree of protection the 3Ms provide.

It's not perfect, and it's not cheap, but it's worth it imho.
WRX4me 03-10-2004 09:26 PM

I was looking for a clear bra installer 3 years ago when I bought my '02. Unfortunately, there wasn't anybody local (back then) who could do it. Ironically, I'm a 3M installer now and have been for about a year and I've worked on everything from Scions to Stradales.

The first piece I laid down was on my hood, (after 2 years of sandblasting), and I left my bumper, fenders, and mirrors unprotected. I have to admit, after washing my car after all the snow we had this winter, I have so much more sandblasting on the exposed surface. I was a little upset at first but now I use it as a, "don't let this happen to you" selling point. This is my daily driver so I know it's gonna get some road abuse.

On an installer's POV on which color hides it the best...silver wins hands down. Black is hard to do b/c all the paint imperfections show through. White is a pain b/c of all the lint that can get trapped under the film. There are a few more companies here that are starting to get into the clear bra thing, but they are no where near the level of quality we provide (pat myself on the back, hehehe). Actually, I've had many car dealerships tell me this personally. They'll do a quickie install outdoors where anything can fly under the film.

Anyway, I just wanted to give you a little info on the whole clear bra thing because it seems more and more people learn about it everyday.

:D

Edit: Satrya, now I'm gonna have to take pics and post them up!
satrya 03-10-2004 10:07 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WRX4me [/i]
[B]Edit: Satrya, now I'm gonna have to take pics and post them up! [/B][/QUOTE]
Please do :)

[QUOTE][B]On an installer's POV on which color hides it the best...silver wins hands down. Black is hard to do b/c all the paint imperfections show through. White is a pain b/c of all the lint that can get trapped under the film. [/QUOTE][/B]
Don't forget light (blaze) yellow. Even if the clear material turns light yellow, it will still look the same. (DIY-cut 3M on: hood, fenders, headlights, fogs, Genome grille & grille side pieces, fog trim, & some bumper strips)

[img]http://mechatro2.me.berkeley.edu/~satrya/pics/photos/wrx200307frontlip/frontlip02.jpg[/img]
RockBlocker 03-10-2004 10:41 PM

I second that I would like to see pics as well of installs you have done.
WRX4me 03-11-2004 08:47 AM

I took some pics this morning, super close, hi-res. I'm trying to find a site that will host them for me...Keep in mind I did not wash my car...heheh, but I'll try to grab some pics of the cars that we work on today. Thanks for being patient, I will try to get the pics up asap. I might be a little busy today so I probably won't be able to check the forums until after work.
WRX4me 03-11-2004 11:15 PM

A friend of mine was nice enough to host the pics for me. I got a couple of shots of the cars I worked on today, also you will find pics of my car with damage from road debris. I tried to get good pics of the hood and headlight protected but I think I was too close to the car for the pics to come out. I will try to get better pics tomorrow.

Anyway, here's the link: [URL=http://homepage.mac.com/richard_friend/roadblock]http://homepage.mac.com/richard_friend/roadblock[/URL]

Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks!
satrya 03-11-2004 11:36 PM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WRX4me [/i]
[B]I got a couple of shots of the cars I worked on today, also you will find pics of my car with damage from road debris.[/B][/QUOTE]
The closeup photos on your GD is interesting. Even the fenders seem to have taken quite a beating. Too bad you don't have any surface on your GD that has been protected from the beginning for a good comparison. You mentioned in a previous post in this thread that the hood was partially protected at some point after some use. Would the hood show a noticeable difference?
WRX4me 03-12-2004 12:37 AM

I put a hood piece on about 10 months ago. It did stop the chipping on the hood no question. I just have to get some decent pics of it. I will try to get some good shots tomorrow.

If I had put on the Roadblock on from day one, I'm sure the damage you see in those pics wouldn't be there at all. I've seen cars come back after a year to get a piece replaced, most likely from curbing the bottom lip, and the protected areas show almost no paint chipping.
RockBlocker 03-12-2004 12:39 AM

[QUOTE]I'm sure the damage you see in those pics wouldn't be there at all. I've seen cars come back after a year to get a piece replaced, most likely from curbing the bottom lip, and the protected areas show almost no paint chipping.[/QUOTE]

I hear that. Once a week we have to address a customer's lower bumper that has been scraped.
WRX4me 03-13-2004 09:54 AM

Updated pics: Protected vs. Unprotected
I got a few pics showing the "protected" hood vs. the "unprotected" grill trims pieces. It was a little hard to show the detail, but I think you'll get the idea. The hood piece was installed 2 years after purcahsing the car so there is damage already under the film. Compare that to the exposed lower bumper/grill pieces, you can definitely see how the Roadblock stopped further damage to the hood.

I was also lucky enough to run into the owner of the Cobalt Blue M3, (under " More BMWs"). He obviously takes care of his car. The kit he has on his car is about 2 years old and it has very little damage to it. If you look real close in one of the pics, you can see how his aftermarket lip is taking a beating.

Anyway here are the [URL=http://homepage.mac.com/richard_friend/roadblock ]updated pics[/URL]

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