| makofoto | 06-18-2006 10:44 AM |
Pulling AC for STX/STU :-(
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Do you guys feel that it's excessive to allow the AC to be pulled in ST classes? Seems like the ST classes should be for cars that very well might be daily drivers. In lots of parts of the country not having an AC might very well mean that your AX'er can't be your daily driver.
Things are heating up so much in STU in our area of Southern CA that we will soon have our first trailer queen, 100% STU BMW.
Things are heating up so much in STU in our area of Southern CA that we will soon have our first trailer queen, 100% STU BMW.
| mccanixx | 06-18-2006 11:03 AM |
Odd, yes. Excessive, I don't think so.
I've often wondered how/why it's a rule in ST. I for one have removed it, and have a dedicated ST, trailer queen. It's a luxury for me not to have to use it as a DD. I think within any rule set you'll have people willing to go just a little farther than someone else. If it's not the A/C, it would be some other non-practical street car item. Aggresive alignments, shaved soft tires, fixed thinly padded seats, etc.
[I]I [/I] don't think it's excessive, like I said just, odd. FWIW I get beat regularly by people who still have their A/C. I think it's more a phycological thing for me. I think I have a real race car, because I removed it. :lol: Weight is weight, I'm gonna get it out of the car however I can within the rules. I thought more about the parasitic effect of the drive pulley as well. It wasn't as much weight as I thought/hoped. ~ 35-40#'s.
I doubt it could be taken back now.
I've often wondered how/why it's a rule in ST. I for one have removed it, and have a dedicated ST, trailer queen. It's a luxury for me not to have to use it as a DD. I think within any rule set you'll have people willing to go just a little farther than someone else. If it's not the A/C, it would be some other non-practical street car item. Aggresive alignments, shaved soft tires, fixed thinly padded seats, etc.
[I]I [/I] don't think it's excessive, like I said just, odd. FWIW I get beat regularly by people who still have their A/C. I think it's more a phycological thing for me. I think I have a real race car, because I removed it. :lol: Weight is weight, I'm gonna get it out of the car however I can within the rules. I thought more about the parasitic effect of the drive pulley as well. It wasn't as much weight as I thought/hoped. ~ 35-40#'s.
I doubt it could be taken back now.
| PhilC | 06-18-2006 11:33 AM |
We kept ours, our trailer queen is still Jen's daily driver when it's not being towed to events and even in Ohio I think AC is a must have in the daily driver. Do I think the weight is hurting us? Eh, maybe but probably not, if I felt my driving was consistent enough and good enough that I needed those last few hundreths I might change my mind though.
| DrBiggly | 06-18-2006 02:11 PM |
[QUOTE=PhilC]We kept ours, our trailer queen is still Jen's daily driver when it's not being towed to events and even in Ohio I think AC is a must have in the daily driver. Do I think the weight is hurting us? Eh, maybe but probably not, if I felt my driving was consistent enough and good enough that I needed those last few hundreths I might change my mind though.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I see no point in pulling mine ever really unless I have extra cars. Were it an ST* Honda, I'd likely pull the A/C (who cares, whole car for $1200 right?) but not in a Subaru. :)
-Biggly
Exactly. I see no point in pulling mine ever really unless I have extra cars. Were it an ST* Honda, I'd likely pull the A/C (who cares, whole car for $1200 right?) but not in a Subaru. :)
-Biggly
| makofoto | 06-18-2006 03:15 PM |
One of our STU STI's won a recent event by 0.001 seconds. The difference between 2nd (BMW) and 3rd (STI) at the last STU event was 0.001. You can understand why we are concerned that one of the top STU BMW's is "going all the way."
| flyboymike | 06-18-2006 05:05 PM |
I do think pulling a/c isn't really consistent with the spirit of the Street Touring classes. Ideally, they should be daily drivers with bolt-on modifications. But, it's pretty irrelevant one way or the other. The guys who are good enough for pulled a/c to matter are probably trailering the car anyway. I'm probably not going to be able to look at my car and say I lost because I left in the a/c for about half a decade, so it stays in.
| jcroy66 | 06-18-2006 07:36 PM |
Personally, I think having the A/C is a performance ADVANTAGE. While Greg will be dying of heat exhaustion in his car on Saturday at DC, I'm gonna be sighing contently and enjoying having the A/C blow on my face, on my hands. Keep me cool, calm, and concentrating on the course, instead of on "ugh, I'm so hot I want to barf."
| RacerMike | 06-18-2006 08:47 PM |
Think about some of the cars that run in ST...its definitely not excessive and within the spirit of the rules. An example, 88-91 Civics: all of them have R-12 systems that are impossible or exceedingly expensive to recharge. Why keep A/C in a car when it doesn't blow cold air? Additionally, *most* cars can be ordered without A/C; yes it might cost you more to get the car without A/C, but last I checked it was an OPTION on most cars. Its absolutely a viable rule.
Mike
(no A/C in the M3, will be sweating and barfing in DC)
Mike
(no A/C in the M3, will be sweating and barfing in DC)
| Rasmusson14 | 06-18-2006 09:28 PM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]While Greg will be dying of heat exhaustion in his car on Saturday at DC, I'm gonna be sighing contently and enjoying having the A/C blow on my face, on my hands. Keep me cool, calm, and concentrating on the course, instead of on "ugh, I'm so hot I want to barf."[/QUOTE]
That is what the tow vehical (the mighty white van) is for!!! :p
That is what the tow vehical (the mighty white van) is for!!! :p
| PhilC | 06-18-2006 09:58 PM |
[QUOTE=RacerMike]Think about some of the cars that run in ST...its definitely not excessive and within the spirit of the rules. An example, 88-91 Civics: all of them have R-12 systems that are impossible or exceedingly expensive to recharge. Why keep A/C in a car when it doesn't blow cold air? Additionally, *most* cars can be ordered without A/C; yes it might cost you more to get the car without A/C, but last I checked it was an OPTION on most cars. Its absolutely a viable rule.
Mike
(no A/C in the M3, will be sweating and barfing in DC)[/QUOTE]
I'm curious to see what competitive STX or STU cars you can come up with that A/C wasn't standard on. Other than the '97 TypeR I can't think of one. A/C was standard on all of the E36 BMWs as far as I remember, I know it wasn't a line option on our '93 325i. In fact I don't know of any currently sold STX/STU competitive car that A/C delete is an option. Happy to be prooven wrong on this one if you can but saying A/C is an option on most cars is a BIG stretch.
Mike
(no A/C in the M3, will be sweating and barfing in DC)[/QUOTE]
I'm curious to see what competitive STX or STU cars you can come up with that A/C wasn't standard on. Other than the '97 TypeR I can't think of one. A/C was standard on all of the E36 BMWs as far as I remember, I know it wasn't a line option on our '93 325i. In fact I don't know of any currently sold STX/STU competitive car that A/C delete is an option. Happy to be prooven wrong on this one if you can but saying A/C is an option on most cars is a BIG stretch.
| RacerMike | 06-19-2006 05:47 AM |
I'm not an expert on what and wasn't an option on every car made, but certainly it was an option on the STS Civics, and STS was the first ST class. Are you advocating a different A/C rule for STX?
Oh, and 1998 Type-R :p
Mike
Oh, and 1998 Type-R :p
Mike
| mccanixx | 06-19-2006 07:02 AM |
[QUOTE=jcroy66]Personally, I think having the A/C is a performance ADVANTAGE. While Greg will be dying of heat exhaustion in his car on Saturday at DC, I'm gonna be sighing contently and enjoying having the A/C blow on my face, on my hands. Keep me cool, calm, and concentrating on the course, instead of on "ugh, I'm so hot I want to barf."[/QUOTE]
And I'll be thinking, Forget to turn it off, forget to turn it off. :lol:
Just make sure your wipers work, for this weekend. :rolleyes:
And I'll be thinking, Forget to turn it off, forget to turn it off. :lol:
Just make sure your wipers work, for this weekend. :rolleyes:
| KC | 06-19-2006 07:31 AM |
[QUOTE=makophoto]Do you guys feel that it's excessive to allow the AC to be pulled in ST classes? Seems like the ST classes should be for cars that very well might be daily drivers. In lots of parts of the country not having an AC might very well mean that your AX'er can't be your daily driver.[/QUOTE]
Do you guys feel that it's excessive to allow the suspension to be changed in ST classes? Seems like the ST classes should be for cars that very well might be daily drivers. In lots of parts of the country not having an stock suspension very well mean that your AX'er can't be your daily driver because it can be too stiff.
Do you guys feel that it's excessive to allow the drivers seat to be changed in ST classes? Seems like the ST classes should be for cars that very well might be daily drivers. In lots of parts of the country not having a stock drivers seat very well mean that your AX'er can't be your daily driver, especailly if you have a bad back.
Do you guys feel that it's excessive to allow the exhaust to be changed in ST classes? Seems like the ST classes should be for cars that very well might be daily drivers. In lots of parts of the country not having an stock exhaust very well mean that your AX'er can't be your daily driver because it exceeds the sounds in some states.
Mako,
You have a car that's being prepped the rules. Either adapt to the rules, make the conscious choice to choose which parts you want/don't want, or find someplace else to play. I can come up with a reason to disallow ANYTHING that is allowed in ST, but to make a rule change because [quote=makophoto]Things are heating up so much in STU in our area of Southern CA that we will soon have our first trailer queen, 100% STU BMW.[/QUOTE] is absurd. And I can pretty much tell you this... if someone can prove to me that removal of the AC is a *must have* mod, I'd more than likely go along with it. However, I'm going to b ehard pressed to agree if the best evidence you have is that you're losing by .001 to a car without it, I very highly doubt that it was because the AC was deleted. That is something that can be overcome by driving better.
Towing a car is a whole 'nother ball of wax. People do that yes, to have AC in their tow vehicles with their AC removed cars, but to also make SURE they can get home *IF* something breaks. When you have a car that's prepped to the rules, and only run at events (not on the road) it's a 100% probability that if something breaks, it'll be AT an event.
You cannot, repeat, cannot legislate cars not to be towed in ANY class.
KC officially dubs this thread as an official whining bullcrap thread. If you're losing, drive better.
--kC
Do you guys feel that it's excessive to allow the suspension to be changed in ST classes? Seems like the ST classes should be for cars that very well might be daily drivers. In lots of parts of the country not having an stock suspension very well mean that your AX'er can't be your daily driver because it can be too stiff.
Do you guys feel that it's excessive to allow the drivers seat to be changed in ST classes? Seems like the ST classes should be for cars that very well might be daily drivers. In lots of parts of the country not having a stock drivers seat very well mean that your AX'er can't be your daily driver, especailly if you have a bad back.
Do you guys feel that it's excessive to allow the exhaust to be changed in ST classes? Seems like the ST classes should be for cars that very well might be daily drivers. In lots of parts of the country not having an stock exhaust very well mean that your AX'er can't be your daily driver because it exceeds the sounds in some states.
Mako,
You have a car that's being prepped the rules. Either adapt to the rules, make the conscious choice to choose which parts you want/don't want, or find someplace else to play. I can come up with a reason to disallow ANYTHING that is allowed in ST, but to make a rule change because [quote=makophoto]Things are heating up so much in STU in our area of Southern CA that we will soon have our first trailer queen, 100% STU BMW.[/QUOTE] is absurd. And I can pretty much tell you this... if someone can prove to me that removal of the AC is a *must have* mod, I'd more than likely go along with it. However, I'm going to b ehard pressed to agree if the best evidence you have is that you're losing by .001 to a car without it, I very highly doubt that it was because the AC was deleted. That is something that can be overcome by driving better.
Towing a car is a whole 'nother ball of wax. People do that yes, to have AC in their tow vehicles with their AC removed cars, but to also make SURE they can get home *IF* something breaks. When you have a car that's prepped to the rules, and only run at events (not on the road) it's a 100% probability that if something breaks, it'll be AT an event.
You cannot, repeat, cannot legislate cars not to be towed in ANY class.
KC officially dubs this thread as an official whining bullcrap thread. If you're losing, drive better.
--kC
| solo-x | 06-19-2006 09:32 AM |
+1 for the old man's post.
get a data logger. you'll be blown away when you realize how much time variance a top driver has from run to run, element to element. .001?? my 60' times at pro solo's vary by more then that.
get a data logger. you'll be blown away when you realize how much time variance a top driver has from run to run, element to element. .001?? my 60' times at pro solo's vary by more then that.
| DrBiggly | 06-19-2006 10:09 AM |
[QUOTE=solo-x]+1 for the old man's post.
get a data logger. you'll be blown away when you realize how much time variance a top driver has from run to run, element to element. .001?? my 60' times at pro solo's vary by more then that.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. :)
-Biggly
get a data logger. you'll be blown away when you realize how much time variance a top driver has from run to run, element to element. .001?? my 60' times at pro solo's vary by more then that.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. :)
-Biggly
| TubeDriver | 06-19-2006 10:43 AM |
We have a bunch of those trailer queen cars in the DC region already. [shrugs shoulders]. I would like to trailer my AS car just so I don't have to swap out the Hoosiers (I actually drive 15 minutes on the highway to the event with them on).
[QUOTE=makofoto]Do you guys feel that it's excessive to allow the AC to be pulled in ST classes? Seems like the ST classes should be for cars that very well might be daily drivers. In lots of parts of the country not having an AC might very well mean that your AX'er can't be your daily driver.
Things are heating up so much in STU in our area of Southern CA that we will soon have our first trailer queen, 100% STU BMW.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=makofoto]Do you guys feel that it's excessive to allow the AC to be pulled in ST classes? Seems like the ST classes should be for cars that very well might be daily drivers. In lots of parts of the country not having an AC might very well mean that your AX'er can't be your daily driver.
Things are heating up so much in STU in our area of Southern CA that we will soon have our first trailer queen, 100% STU BMW.[/QUOTE]
| CamaroFS34 | 06-20-2006 09:12 AM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]Do you guys feel that it's excessive to allow the AC to be pulled in ST classes? [/QUOTE]
No. You can pull it in Stock class, if the car you're driving didn't come with AC standard. Considering most of the ST cars can legally remove it in Stock already, I don't really see a problem with it.
I don't use AC unless it's extreme circumstances, even in my daily driver, even when I drive it out to Wendover in the middle of summer. Honestly, relying on AC just makes you more dependent on it, and less tolerant to heat.
Karen
No. You can pull it in Stock class, if the car you're driving didn't come with AC standard. Considering most of the ST cars can legally remove it in Stock already, I don't really see a problem with it.
I don't use AC unless it's extreme circumstances, even in my daily driver, even when I drive it out to Wendover in the middle of summer. Honestly, relying on AC just makes you more dependent on it, and less tolerant to heat.
Karen
| KC | 06-20-2006 09:29 AM |
[QUOTE=CamaroFS34]I don't use AC unless it's extreme circumstances, even in my daily driver, even when I drive it out to Wendover in the middle of summer. Honestly, relying on AC just makes you more dependent on it, and less tolerant to heat.
Karen[/QUOTE]The body is an amazing thing. That's the truth. Last week, it was in the 80s in my office and I was hot. (AC goes in this week).
This weekend we had an event that was 95 degrees and I was only in the AC in my car right before I ran.
Last night, it was 80 degrees in the office and I felt 'comfortable'.
What sucks is I work in a temp controlled environment that's kept at a steady 68 degrees with low-mid humidity. Sometimes I wish I didn't.. especially when you go outside and it's 85% humidity at 85 degrees.
--kC
Karen[/QUOTE]The body is an amazing thing. That's the truth. Last week, it was in the 80s in my office and I was hot. (AC goes in this week).
This weekend we had an event that was 95 degrees and I was only in the AC in my car right before I ran.
Last night, it was 80 degrees in the office and I felt 'comfortable'.
What sucks is I work in a temp controlled environment that's kept at a steady 68 degrees with low-mid humidity. Sometimes I wish I didn't.. especially when you go outside and it's 85% humidity at 85 degrees.
--kC
| MFR Sweep | 06-20-2006 09:29 AM |
I threw the AC on at my last AX because of the humidity (although that was just while staging) and there was a timing error so I was sitting for a while
| jcroy66 | 06-20-2006 09:45 AM |
Yeah, I almost never use A/C in my car during my daily commute. If it's hot, I usually just open the windows (or at least crack them). But I have to admit - I do like having it as an option. First, for days when I don't want to open the windows. I drive past a water treatment plant that is often WAY over capacity in the summer and when that happens, the smell lasts for miles and makes me seriously want to puke. Second, for days when it's just extremely hot or humid. And third, for the reason I already stated - because I do like having it as an option during those last few moments in grid. At big events, I have a hard enough time calming down. The last thing I need is to be a mega-b*tch because I'm hot. :) I'm usually cranky enough all on my own. ;)
| flyboymike | 06-20-2006 09:59 AM |
Running at an autocross is almost the only time I don't have my A/C running... y'all must be cold-blooded or something. ;) To me, it's worth burning the extra gas and having to adapt to whatever conditions are outside to be completely comfortable while I'm operating 1.5 tons of machinery that could kill me very quickly given poor decisionmaking.
| PKer | 06-20-2006 01:19 PM |
Thank god for A/C, without it I wouldn't be able to sit in the car with cold air blowing on my face while the workers clean my grid spot!:lol:
| wrx2.0 555 | 06-20-2006 01:44 PM |
The overall idea and comments in this thread are just ridiculous, even from my non-nationally competitive point of view......
......."stock" allows race tires.......what in the hell makes sense about that given some of the opinions noted in this thread...
[QUOTE]Seems like the ST classes should be for cars that very well might be daily drivers.[/QUOTE]
...right and "Stock" cars should be cars that actually ARE daily drivers and would NEVER actually come equiped with race tires.... :alien: :alien: the only smilie appropriate... :alien: :alien:
.....btw....a/c has been removed in my '89 Civic...
......."stock" allows race tires.......what in the hell makes sense about that given some of the opinions noted in this thread...
[QUOTE]Seems like the ST classes should be for cars that very well might be daily drivers.[/QUOTE]
...right and "Stock" cars should be cars that actually ARE daily drivers and would NEVER actually come equiped with race tires.... :alien: :alien: the only smilie appropriate... :alien: :alien:
.....btw....a/c has been removed in my '89 Civic...
| Sideshowbob | 06-20-2006 01:46 PM |
A/C is for pussies.....
.....which is why if I remove it for AutoX the fiancee will kill me.
.....which is why if I remove it for AutoX the fiancee will kill me.
| zzyzx | 06-20-2006 02:00 PM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]One of our STU STI's won a recent event by 0.001 seconds. The difference between 2nd (BMW) and 3rd (STI) at the last STU event was 0.001. You can understand why we are concerned that one of the top STU BMW's is "going all the way."[/QUOTE]
I missed 4th in STS at Solo Nationals by 0.001 seconds one year... and that was for the two courses combined.
Yet, I don't recall complaining about A/C removal yada yada yada... I'm afraid I'll have to agree with KC on this one.
I missed 4th in STS at Solo Nationals by 0.001 seconds one year... and that was for the two courses combined.
Yet, I don't recall complaining about A/C removal yada yada yada... I'm afraid I'll have to agree with KC on this one.
| Student Driver | 06-20-2006 02:14 PM |
I live in AZ, where A/C is required. :) We're in the 80's before 9:00am, and driving an hour or so to events in the area pretty much requires it.
| jamesohoh7 | 06-21-2006 08:13 AM |
I would never pull the AC in my car, but likewise more power to the guy that goes that extra step if they think it gives them the edge. I'm not now, nor never I will be a nationally competitive driver, so :meh: ...
on another forum (sccaforums maybe) someone posted that the drivers of most cars could probably stand to lose a few pounds to make up the difference :)
<-- carries a bit of a spare tire he doesn't need to.
on another forum (sccaforums maybe) someone posted that the drivers of most cars could probably stand to lose a few pounds to make up the difference :)
<-- carries a bit of a spare tire he doesn't need to.
| GEARHEAD23 | 06-21-2006 12:21 PM |
^^^^ I have had in my class, drivers, tell me I have an unfair advantage over them b/c I only weight 140 :huh: , and they are over 200lbs. Yet they will do everything to make their car lighter, but wont go on a diet to lose weight. Oh I love my A/C for those over 100 days in Fontana. It stays.
| CirrusWRX | 06-21-2006 12:59 PM |
They were commenting this past weekend at 24 hours of Le Mans about POSSIBLY [b]requiring[/b] A/C next year. It's obviously not a gauranteed pass (then again, they passed the rule to ban "tire spinning" in the pits, so who knows!)
I forgot which team actually installed it this year, but they were talking to the driver after a nice 2 hour stint and he looked fresh as a daisy and commented on how nice it was to have A/C. Last year, (again, i forget which car- Aston? Corvette?) were reporting cockpit temps in the 170* F range. :eek: Had several heat stroke incidents too.
I know autox is only 30-60 seconds long which is way different than 2 hours before a break, but still, I think a "fresher" driver is a better driver and can't see the 40lbs making a difference between "dammit - I'm so hot and can't focus" and "Dammit - I'm so nice and comfortable right now, I wish I didn't have to lug that extra 40lbs..."
Ask SubieGal about stage rally and A/C.
I forgot which team actually installed it this year, but they were talking to the driver after a nice 2 hour stint and he looked fresh as a daisy and commented on how nice it was to have A/C. Last year, (again, i forget which car- Aston? Corvette?) were reporting cockpit temps in the 170* F range. :eek: Had several heat stroke incidents too.
I know autox is only 30-60 seconds long which is way different than 2 hours before a break, but still, I think a "fresher" driver is a better driver and can't see the 40lbs making a difference between "dammit - I'm so hot and can't focus" and "Dammit - I'm so nice and comfortable right now, I wish I didn't have to lug that extra 40lbs..."
Ask SubieGal about stage rally and A/C.
| jamesohoh7 | 06-21-2006 08:09 PM |
[QUOTE=GEARHEAD23]^^^^ I have had in my class, drivers, tell me I have an unfair advantage over them b/c I only weight 140 :huh: , and they are over 200lbs. Yet they will do everything to make their car lighter, but wont go on a diet to lose weight. Oh I love my A/C for those over 100 days in Fontana. It stays.[/QUOTE]
:lol: that's just nuts that they'd say that, but opens the door to lots o' funny! :...
If I were you, I'd seek out sponorship from Nutri-System or something similar and plaster huge stickers/magnetics on your car about it. When they bitch again, point to you car... or hand them a pamphlett... and carry on with your day :)
:lol: that's just nuts that they'd say that, but opens the door to lots o' funny! :...
If I were you, I'd seek out sponorship from Nutri-System or something similar and plaster huge stickers/magnetics on your car about it. When they bitch again, point to you car... or hand them a pamphlett... and carry on with your day :)
| makofoto | 06-21-2006 08:24 PM |
Gearhead not only doesn't weigh much ... he invites you over to his house to eat pizza so that one gains even more weight! He also encourages lots of beer drinking after every event! :-)
Tom is so light that his D Stock car accelerates as fast as my STX WRX ... oh ... I guess that means I SHOULD go on a diet! ... hehe ... which I have been. ;-)
Tom is so light that his D Stock car accelerates as fast as my STX WRX ... oh ... I guess that means I SHOULD go on a diet! ... hehe ... which I have been. ;-)
| OneArmedScissor | 06-21-2006 11:02 PM |
without a/c in texas, you actually will die in your car.
| makofoto | 06-22-2006 02:23 AM |
Drivers from other parts of the country are loving that fact. :-( They have no compassion for the drivers from AZ and TX. I guess all is fair in Love and War and AX ...
| KC | 06-22-2006 07:35 AM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]Drivers from other parts of the country are loving that fact. :-( They have no compassion for the drivers from AZ and TX. I guess all is fair in Love and War and AX ...[/QUOTE]
Yep! You got that right. You guys complain about having to have to keep your AC while on the other hand, you get to run Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, & March. :D
Yep! You got that right. You guys complain about having to have to keep your AC while on the other hand, you get to run Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, & March. :D
| solo-x | 06-22-2006 07:38 AM |
[QUOTE=makofoto]Drivers from other parts of the country are loving that fact. :-( They have no compassion for the drivers from AZ and TX. I guess all is fair in Love and War and AX ...[/QUOTE]
cry me a river.
cry me a river.
| ChrisDP | 06-22-2006 08:23 AM |
LOL...
next up: All AZ/TX drivers must run snow tires while attending events in the months of Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb and March, because that's what their Northern Brethren HAVE to do during those months. Now that's "compassion" for you...
next up: All AZ/TX drivers must run snow tires while attending events in the months of Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb and March, because that's what their Northern Brethren HAVE to do during those months. Now that's "compassion" for you...
| KC | 06-22-2006 08:26 AM |
[QUOTE=ChrisDP]LOL...
next up: All AZ/TX drivers must run snow tires while attending events in the months of Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb and March, because that's what their Northern Brethren HAVE to do during those months. Now that's "compassion" for you...[/QUOTE]
Hey, I'll be nice and let them run all seasons even....
[url=http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Sizes.jsp?make=Bridgestone&model=Potenza+RE92]Spec Winter Tire for Warmer Climates[/URL]
:devil:
--kC
next up: All AZ/TX drivers must run snow tires while attending events in the months of Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb and March, because that's what their Northern Brethren HAVE to do during those months. Now that's "compassion" for you...[/QUOTE]
Hey, I'll be nice and let them run all seasons even....
[url=http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Sizes.jsp?make=Bridgestone&model=Potenza+RE92]Spec Winter Tire for Warmer Climates[/URL]
:devil:
--kC
| Turn in Concepts | 06-22-2006 08:27 AM |
This thread is funny. The more I hear about scca rules the more I want to stop atuoxing. They're really are stupid for the most part. Stock class cars having mods? what the hell is that all about. One of the reasons I like NASA classing better.
| KC | 06-22-2006 08:28 AM |
[QUOTE=Turn in Concepts]NASA[/QUOTE]
Can we leave the club bashing out of this thread please? Each club has their plusses and minuses. Let's just leave it at that.
--kC
Can we leave the club bashing out of this thread please? Each club has their plusses and minuses. Let's just leave it at that.
--kC
| jamesohoh7 | 06-22-2006 08:53 AM |
[QUOTE=KC]Yep! You got that right. You guys complain about having to have to keep your AC while on the other hand, you get to run Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, & March. :D[/QUOTE]
:lol:.. yep, 12-months of autoxing, FTW! ... hell, 12 months of multi-events-per-month autoxing even! :D ... you'd think I'd be a better driver with all the seat time, but nope!
<-- never complains about having AC on... AC in my car is proof that there is a car-god and he loves me... he won't bestow talent on me, but I just need to offer up more burnt tire-carcasses I'm told.
:lol:.. yep, 12-months of autoxing, FTW! ... hell, 12 months of multi-events-per-month autoxing even! :D ... you'd think I'd be a better driver with all the seat time, but nope!
<-- never complains about having AC on... AC in my car is proof that there is a car-god and he loves me... he won't bestow talent on me, but I just need to offer up more burnt tire-carcasses I'm told.
| ChrisDP | 06-22-2006 09:06 AM |
[QUOTE=jamesohoh7]
I just need to offer up more burnt tire-carcasses I'm told.[/QUOTE]
:lol: Now that's good stuff right there...
-Chris, hating the fact that his racecar has no A/C, the daily-driver WRX A/C needs a recharge (which hasn't been done because the racecar has been eating up all my time), it's supposed to hit 97 degrees degrees today, and the tow vehicle ate a fuel pump, so he'll probably be driving the 2.5 hours to DC Pro in the buzzbomb-loud hot racecar... :banana:
I just need to offer up more burnt tire-carcasses I'm told.[/QUOTE]
:lol: Now that's good stuff right there...
-Chris, hating the fact that his racecar has no A/C, the daily-driver WRX A/C needs a recharge (which hasn't been done because the racecar has been eating up all my time), it's supposed to hit 97 degrees degrees today, and the tow vehicle ate a fuel pump, so he'll probably be driving the 2.5 hours to DC Pro in the buzzbomb-loud hot racecar... :banana:
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