| Twrx8 | 06-20-2006 07:50 AM |
R8 vs. GT40
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Whilst watching the late, late coverage of the 24 hours of Le Mans the other day, one of the 'Radio Lemans' commentators stated something to effect of:
"The Audi R10 has some big shoes to fill, since the Audi R8 is probably the [I]best sports car ever[/I]"
And I agreed with him until I remembered the Ford GT40. So now I'm having a hard time deciding, R8 or GT40 ??
your thoughts?
[IMG]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b365/Twrx8/R8.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b365/Twrx8/GT40.jpg[/IMG]
"The Audi R10 has some big shoes to fill, since the Audi R8 is probably the [I]best sports car ever[/I]"
And I agreed with him until I remembered the Ford GT40. So now I'm having a hard time deciding, R8 or GT40 ??
your thoughts?
[IMG]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b365/Twrx8/R8.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b365/Twrx8/GT40.jpg[/IMG]
| KC | 06-20-2006 08:02 AM |
Neither.
| mofugga | 06-20-2006 08:04 AM |
the clk that could fly wins that title hands down!
| Twrx8 | 06-20-2006 08:05 AM |
through minor searching:
GT40 (including the MKII & MKIV) = 4 Lemans wins '66, '67, '68, '69
R8 = 5 Lemans wins '00, '01, '02, '04, '05
not to mention ALMS wins and championships...
GT40 (including the MKII & MKIV) = 4 Lemans wins '66, '67, '68, '69
R8 = 5 Lemans wins '00, '01, '02, '04, '05
not to mention ALMS wins and championships...
| MattNJ2.8 | 06-20-2006 09:23 AM |
[QUOTE=mofugga]the clk that could fly wins that title hands down![/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0c/CLR_Flip.jpg/180px-CLR_Flip.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.manicmotors.com/endurance/lemans24/pics/LeMansPreview_PeterDumbreckTakesOff.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://80.229.155.158/videos/Sports/Mercedes%20CLK%20GTR%20Flips%20at%20LeMans.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.motorpride.com/5thelement/video/Mercedes%20Benz%20CLK-GTR%20flip%20at%20the%2024%20Hours%20of%20Le%20Mans.jpg[/IMG]
Thank God Dumbreck was ok!!
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0c/CLR_Flip.jpg/180px-CLR_Flip.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.manicmotors.com/endurance/lemans24/pics/LeMansPreview_PeterDumbreckTakesOff.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://80.229.155.158/videos/Sports/Mercedes%20CLK%20GTR%20Flips%20at%20LeMans.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.motorpride.com/5thelement/video/Mercedes%20Benz%20CLK-GTR%20flip%20at%20the%2024%20Hours%20of%20Le%20Mans.jpg[/IMG]
Thank God Dumbreck was ok!!
| woody06967 | 06-20-2006 09:27 AM |
[QUOTE=Twrx8]Whilst watching the late, late coverage of the 24 hours of Le Mans the other day, one of the 'Radio Lemans' commentators stated something to effect of:
"The Audi R10 has some big shoes to fill, since the Audi R8 is probably the [B][I]best sports car ever[/I]"[/B]
And I agreed with him until I remembered the Ford GT40. So now I'm having a hard time deciding, R8 or GT40 ??
your thoughts?
[IMG]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b365/Twrx8/R8.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b365/Twrx8/GT40.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Neither... the Porsche 917
"The Audi R10 has some big shoes to fill, since the Audi R8 is probably the [B][I]best sports car ever[/I]"[/B]
And I agreed with him until I remembered the Ford GT40. So now I'm having a hard time deciding, R8 or GT40 ??
your thoughts?
[IMG]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b365/Twrx8/R8.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b365/Twrx8/GT40.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Neither... the Porsche 917
| deebee8 | 06-20-2006 09:58 AM |
Bentely Lemans car. WAY WAY Over engineered. did you know that bentley uses the smallest size bolts possible to reduce weight, while audi uses allthe same bolts to save time? Just an interesting fact!
| TubeDriver | 06-20-2006 10:14 AM |
seconded.
917-30
[QUOTE=woody06967]Neither... the Porsche 917[/QUOTE]
917-30
[QUOTE=woody06967]Neither... the Porsche 917[/QUOTE]
| Homemade WRX | 06-20-2006 11:06 AM |
[QUOTE=deebee8]Bentely Lemans car. WAY WAY Over engineered. did you know that bentley uses the smallest size bolts possible to reduce weight, while audi uses allthe same bolts to save time? Just an interesting fact![/QUOTE]
this made me think of one team at competition who was using a 3/8" bolt per wheel as it was all that was needed...it didn't break...they also didn't corner hard :devil:
this made me think of one team at competition who was using a 3/8" bolt per wheel as it was all that was needed...it didn't break...they also didn't corner hard :devil:
| ghschirtz | 06-20-2006 11:34 AM |
Well, if you want to talk sports car, you have to include Cobra's in that. Prototypes, I think the 917, in all it's formats, has it. Remember Porsche has like 15 Le Mans wins, and humbled the Can-Am series competition with the 917.
At least the GT40 spawned road versions, then and now. Nothing from Audi along those lines. No 917's either, but you could argue 917 technology flowed into the 959 and other road-going animals. For pure sex appeal, the Ferrari 330 P4 sure looks, sounds and smells right, even if not so successful.
George
At least the GT40 spawned road versions, then and now. Nothing from Audi along those lines. No 917's either, but you could argue 917 technology flowed into the 959 and other road-going animals. For pure sex appeal, the Ferrari 330 P4 sure looks, sounds and smells right, even if not so successful.
George
| SiFuSpEc | 06-20-2006 11:39 AM |
917!
GT40? in that era, was successful
GT40? in that era, was successful
| buzz313th | 06-20-2006 12:07 PM |
[QUOTE=Twrx8]through minor searching:
GT40 (including the MKII & MKIV) = 4 Lemans wins '66, '67, '68, '69
R8 = 5 Lemans wins '00, '01, '02, '04, '05
not to mention ALMS wins and championships...[/QUOTE]
That is not a fair comparrison, since the FIA banned the GT40 after it's last win...
Who know's how long it would of kept winning.
JB
GT40 (including the MKII & MKIV) = 4 Lemans wins '66, '67, '68, '69
R8 = 5 Lemans wins '00, '01, '02, '04, '05
not to mention ALMS wins and championships...[/QUOTE]
That is not a fair comparrison, since the FIA banned the GT40 after it's last win...
Who know's how long it would of kept winning.
JB
| Draken | 06-20-2006 12:15 PM |
The GT40 wasn't so much banned, as it was the sporting body changing the engine regulations, to 5-liter I believe. By then, the Mark IV was using the 7.0 liter.
But the same could be said later, when the engine rule was changed from 5 liter to 3 liter, making the 917 a no-show. Enter the Matra...
Basically all these sports cars have a shelf life, usualy 5 or so years based on history.
And for what it is worth, I think the Porsche 956/962 combo has them all beat.
Chris H.
PS: Hi Jeff
But the same could be said later, when the engine rule was changed from 5 liter to 3 liter, making the 917 a no-show. Enter the Matra...
Basically all these sports cars have a shelf life, usualy 5 or so years based on history.
And for what it is worth, I think the Porsche 956/962 combo has them all beat.
Chris H.
PS: Hi Jeff
| Sharky NRK | 06-20-2006 12:17 PM |
if I had to choose between those two the R8
| CirrusWRX | 06-20-2006 12:29 PM |
Which race was it that allowed Audi to pit and wash the cars so they could look all shiny for the checkered flag???
| kfoote | 06-20-2006 12:31 PM |
Between those two, the R8, which I think is well within the top 5 of best ever.
For most dominant car at Le Mans, I'll throw in the Porsche 956/962 with 1-2-3 overall finishes from 1982-86, and a lowly 1-2-4 finish in 1987.
The only thing the Porsche 917/30 had going against it was that it was so dominant, it killed the series. IMO, it was the most dominant spotrs car ever.
For most dominant car at Le Mans, I'll throw in the Porsche 956/962 with 1-2-3 overall finishes from 1982-86, and a lowly 1-2-4 finish in 1987.
The only thing the Porsche 917/30 had going against it was that it was so dominant, it killed the series. IMO, it was the most dominant spotrs car ever.
| Yotsuya | 06-20-2006 12:32 PM |
[QUOTE=woody06967]Neither... the Porsche 917[/QUOTE]
Yeah, 917L all the way
Yeah, 917L all the way
| buzz313th | 06-20-2006 12:33 PM |
[QUOTE=Draken]The GT40 wasn't so much banned, as it was the sporting body changing the engine regulations, to 5-liter I believe. By then, the Mark IV was using the 7.0 liter.
But the same could be said later, when the engine rule was changed from 5 liter to 3 liter, making the 917 a no-show. Enter the Matra...
Basically all these sports cars have a shelf life, usualy 5 or so years based on history.
And for what it is worth, I think the Porsche 956/962 combo has them all beat.
Chris H.
PS: Hi Jeff[/QUOTE]
Again Chris you are correct. After seeing a documentary on the GT40 glory years, I was under the impression they had banned the GT40, but infact it was a change in legal displacement size. Still, I feel the Gulf GT40's would have continued to dominate given the rule had not happened.
Chris, How's everything?
JB
PS. I read some funny post where you chewed into Jason I. I laughed pretty hard.
But the same could be said later, when the engine rule was changed from 5 liter to 3 liter, making the 917 a no-show. Enter the Matra...
Basically all these sports cars have a shelf life, usualy 5 or so years based on history.
And for what it is worth, I think the Porsche 956/962 combo has them all beat.
Chris H.
PS: Hi Jeff[/QUOTE]
Again Chris you are correct. After seeing a documentary on the GT40 glory years, I was under the impression they had banned the GT40, but infact it was a change in legal displacement size. Still, I feel the Gulf GT40's would have continued to dominate given the rule had not happened.
Chris, How's everything?
JB
PS. I read some funny post where you chewed into Jason I. I laughed pretty hard.
| 10th Warrior | 06-20-2006 12:38 PM |
[quote]R8 = 5 Lemans wins '00, '01, '02, '04, '05[/quote]
well, the Speed 8, while its own car, was originally derived from the R8, so one could argue that the 03 win went to the Audi's cousin :)
Too many awesome sports cars to pick the best, IMHO. There have been several that were fantastic, but you can't look at LM wins as the sole metric, since regulations change and wins are also dependent on your competition :) Its also very difficult to compare a car from the '50's or '60's to a modern one; so much has changed.
well, the Speed 8, while its own car, was originally derived from the R8, so one could argue that the 03 win went to the Audi's cousin :)
Too many awesome sports cars to pick the best, IMHO. There have been several that were fantastic, but you can't look at LM wins as the sole metric, since regulations change and wins are also dependent on your competition :) Its also very difficult to compare a car from the '50's or '60's to a modern one; so much has changed.
| buzz313th | 06-20-2006 12:44 PM |
A quote from a spectator while watching the 917/30 at watkins glen.
"I saw Mark Donohue race this car at the Watkins Glen Can-Am in 1973 -- AWESOME! FRIGHTENING!! He was lapping cars by the 3rd lap, passed several cars every lap and nearly lapped the field. Eerily quiet, too -- the turbos swallowed the exhaust noise. Most dominating car I ever saw. "
JB
"I saw Mark Donohue race this car at the Watkins Glen Can-Am in 1973 -- AWESOME! FRIGHTENING!! He was lapping cars by the 3rd lap, passed several cars every lap and nearly lapped the field. Eerily quiet, too -- the turbos swallowed the exhaust noise. Most dominating car I ever saw. "
JB
| REX8 | 06-20-2006 12:51 PM |
[QUOTE=deebee8]Bentely Lemans car. WAY WAY Over engineered. did you know that bentley uses the smallest size bolts possible to reduce weight, while audi uses allthe same bolts to save time? Just an interesting fact![/QUOTE]
If you wanted to go purely on engineering (engineering that WON races) the R8 wins in that department hands down.
Changing out the trans/rear end in a matter of MINUTES. The R8 was so dominant in fact, in its engineering, that they had to change the rules this year to take away much of the original R8's advantages.
If you wanted to go purely on engineering (engineering that WON races) the R8 wins in that department hands down.
Changing out the trans/rear end in a matter of MINUTES. The R8 was so dominant in fact, in its engineering, that they had to change the rules this year to take away much of the original R8's advantages.
| leecea | 06-20-2006 12:57 PM |
Not sure if the "sports car" classification works back then, but the Bugatti Type 35 is credited with an awful lot of race wins.
| STi-MAN | 06-20-2006 01:00 PM |
r8 ftw! its so beautifully engineered.
| deebee8 | 06-20-2006 01:07 PM |
What about some of the japanese Group C Cars. 1000 Plus horsepower. BEASTS!!!
Ever watched any videos of the group c's? Simply spectacular almost scary how fast they are.
Ever watched any videos of the group c's? Simply spectacular almost scary how fast they are.
| Patrick L | 06-20-2006 01:35 PM |
[QUOTE=TubeDriver]seconded.
917-30[/QUOTE]
a third
On a side note. Doesn't Porsche have the most Le Man wins at 15
917-30[/QUOTE]
a third
On a side note. Doesn't Porsche have the most Le Man wins at 15
| deebee8 | 06-20-2006 02:04 PM |
Just took a look at the 917. HOLY CRAP THATS A NICE CAR!!!!!!!!
| Draken | 06-20-2006 04:40 PM |
[QUOTE=buzz313th]
Chris, How's everything?
JB
PS. I read some funny post where you chewed into Jason I. I laughed pretty hard.[/QUOTE]
Jeff: Things are good. I think the STi is sold, will know this week. I'm heading out to Kansas City this weekend to pick up my new car. A 1972 Fiat 128 Sedan vintage racer. No, I'm not joking. I'll take pics when I get back. And yeah, Jason I. always bugs me with his little digs about STU. Maybe if/when he comesinto the class and dominates, he can mouth off, but until then, he is going to get E-Thug'd.
Porsche Won LeMans with the:
917 (2)
936 (3)
935 (1)
956 (4)
962 (5)
GT1 (1)
The 962 was essentially a developement of the 956, so technically, that car had 9 overall Lemans Wins, including 6 in a row.
Chris H.
Chris, How's everything?
JB
PS. I read some funny post where you chewed into Jason I. I laughed pretty hard.[/QUOTE]
Jeff: Things are good. I think the STi is sold, will know this week. I'm heading out to Kansas City this weekend to pick up my new car. A 1972 Fiat 128 Sedan vintage racer. No, I'm not joking. I'll take pics when I get back. And yeah, Jason I. always bugs me with his little digs about STU. Maybe if/when he comesinto the class and dominates, he can mouth off, but until then, he is going to get E-Thug'd.
Porsche Won LeMans with the:
917 (2)
936 (3)
935 (1)
956 (4)
962 (5)
GT1 (1)
The 962 was essentially a developement of the 956, so technically, that car had 9 overall Lemans Wins, including 6 in a row.
Chris H.
| LGT-FST | 06-20-2006 06:33 PM |
Audi
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Wow imagine that everyone on the scooby board praising the 4 rings. Yes I love mine and it races well also. :D
| Chromer | 06-20-2006 07:49 PM |
And now the question on everyone's lips:
Will the R10 live up to expectations?
<shakes magic 8-ball>
Signs point to yes.
I do wonder if the ACO's equivalency regulations between diesel and gas might need tweaking.
Will the R10 live up to expectations?
<shakes magic 8-ball>
Signs point to yes.
I do wonder if the ACO's equivalency regulations between diesel and gas might need tweaking.
| wvallwheeldrive | 06-20-2006 07:52 PM |
i don't know the pescarolas where not that far off of the r10s and next year peguot(sp) will have a diesal LMP1 car
| solo2wrx | 06-20-2006 07:56 PM |
If your talking success for me it would be the Porsche 917 but if your talking my favorite racer it has to be the Silk Cut Jaguar GTP cars. Nothing sounds like a Jag V12 at full song going down the back straight at Watkins Glen at about 230 mph (Before the chicane was put in).
| REXLR8 | 06-20-2006 08:13 PM |
956/962 for life
| StuBeck | 06-20-2006 08:55 PM |
The R8 wins because of the intense level of competition now. Sure there have been other cars which have dominated but not to the affect of the R8. It would start on pole, hit a wall going 80 mph and STILL win the damn race. With the other racers out their the abilitiy of the car to dominant like it has is much more impressive.
The R8 has also changed the way the race is run, it used to be run slowly for the first half, but now it is basically a sprint race the entire time.
The R8 has also changed the way the race is run, it used to be run slowly for the first half, but now it is basically a sprint race the entire time.
| Canonshooter | 06-20-2006 09:15 PM |
As a former Ford guy, and as a young teenager when the Ford GT40/Mk ll/Mk lV was kicking Ferrari's back side, the 7 liter Ford was just a NASCAR engine stuffed into a Ford GT concept car chassis. Big, somewhat crude, and by more modern standards, a dinosaur. Technolgy kept evolving and I think the days of GT40 dominance were in their twilight anyway, ban or not. Remember in the 1969 LeMans, Jackie Ickx (sp?) just barely outran the Porsche in a Gulf oil GT40 for the win, and only becuase he could brake later and go into corners hotter.
BTW, I loved those GT40s as a kid and would buy a new Ford GT in a heartbeat if I could! In the meantime, my WRX will have to do.
BTW, I loved those GT40s as a kid and would buy a new Ford GT in a heartbeat if I could! In the meantime, my WRX will have to do.
| ghschirtz | 06-20-2006 10:57 PM |
^^Still a Ford guy, of similar vintage. Nothing sounds quite like a Ferrari 12 or a small block Ford, both are music past understanding. Until I have the scratch for a Ford GT, I will dream and still love my WRX.
George
George
| pittspilot | 06-21-2006 12:11 AM |
You people have no idea what you are talking about.
[IMG]http://www.a2zracer.com/img396.jpg[/IMG]
Or maybe
[IMG]http://www.vieux-volants.com/Galerie%20photos/Le%20Mans%20Classic%202004/Ferrari%20512%20S%201970.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.a2zracer.com/img396.jpg[/IMG]
Or maybe
[IMG]http://www.vieux-volants.com/Galerie%20photos/Le%20Mans%20Classic%202004/Ferrari%20512%20S%201970.jpg[/IMG]
| silentbob343 | 06-21-2006 01:01 AM |
Mmmm 4 rotor 26B
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b9/787Blarge.jpg/800px-787Blarge.jpg[/img]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b9/787Blarge.jpg/800px-787Blarge.jpg[/img]
| Draken | 06-21-2006 01:16 AM |
Index of Performance owns you all
DB Panhard
[img]http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_13865.jpeg[/img]
DB Panhard
[img]http://www.bilnorge.no/export/bb_13865.jpeg[/img]
| Cloaked | 06-21-2006 03:04 AM |
IMO the toyota GT one was the best car it just had bad luck in the way of a crash and a flat tire in '99. I think it was faster and yes it looked better for what that's worth. If only the rules and the option to go to F1 hadn't occurred who knows what that car would have done.
| Cloaked | 06-21-2006 03:11 AM |
great little car only won because the all the Mercedes broke and the Jags had their mechanical issues but winning is winning. The MAZDA ;)
| Twrx8 | 06-21-2006 08:25 AM |
[QUOTE=silentbob343]Mmmm 4 rotor 26B
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b9/787Blarge.jpg/800px-787Blarge.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
best japanese sports car maybe?
i love the 787 also :banana:
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b9/787Blarge.jpg/800px-787Blarge.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
best japanese sports car maybe?
i love the 787 also :banana:
| ghschirtz | 06-21-2006 12:06 PM |
The best Ferrari 512 was Penske's. Similarly, the Lola 70 Coupe was a beautiful car that never really did well except with Donohue. The ill-fated Ford F3L, with a Cosworth DFV, was also nice to look at, fast when it was sorted, but the DFV could not stand the pace, never was a successful endurance motor that I know of. Ditto the Ferrari 312 that followed the 512, nice looking, occasionally fast but not real successful, if better than the Ford entry.
Best Japanese, have to figure between the Mazda, Toyota and Nissan run by Gurney.
Good memories....
George
Best Japanese, have to figure between the Mazda, Toyota and Nissan run by Gurney.
Good memories....
George
| kfoote | 06-21-2006 12:20 PM |
repost
| kfoote | 06-21-2006 12:20 PM |
One other car I'll throw out as a candidate, since it hasn't been mentioned yet:
1993 Toyota Eagke Mk III.
IMO, if you were to take cars throughout history, put equal tires on them, and reinforce the suspension on them enough so they won't rip out of the car, the Toyota Eagle Mk III at full boost would be the fastest sports car ever, followed by the Porsche 917/30. In 1993, PJ Jones ran a 43.112 second lap at Lime Rock (yes, with the chicaine), 4 sec/lap faster than the ALMS pole there last year. Keep in mind, tire technology has improved A LOT since then.
The Toyota Eagle Mk III was the ultimate Group C/GTP car, and still holds track records over 10 years later.
1993 Toyota Eagke Mk III.
IMO, if you were to take cars throughout history, put equal tires on them, and reinforce the suspension on them enough so they won't rip out of the car, the Toyota Eagle Mk III at full boost would be the fastest sports car ever, followed by the Porsche 917/30. In 1993, PJ Jones ran a 43.112 second lap at Lime Rock (yes, with the chicaine), 4 sec/lap faster than the ALMS pole there last year. Keep in mind, tire technology has improved A LOT since then.
The Toyota Eagle Mk III was the ultimate Group C/GTP car, and still holds track records over 10 years later.
| Homemade WRX | 06-21-2006 01:12 PM |
[QUOTE=ghschirtz]The best Ferrari 512 was Penske's.[/QUOTE]
get's my vote because it has run in our windtunnel.
I'm not biased...well maybe a little ;)
get's my vote because it has run in our windtunnel.
I'm not biased...well maybe a little ;)
| ghschirtz | 06-21-2006 01:13 PM |
[QUOTE=kfoote]One other car I'll throw out as a candidate, since it hasn't been mentioned yet:
1993 Toyota Eagke Mk III.
IMO, if you were to take cars throughout history, put equal tires on them, and reinforce the suspension on them enough so they won't rip out of the car, the Toyota Eagle Mk III at full boost would be the fastest sports car ever, followed by the Porsche 917/30. In 1993, PJ Jones ran a 43.112 second lap at Lime Rock (yes, with the chicaine), 4 sec/lap faster than the ALMS pole there last year. Keep in mind, tire technology has improved A LOT since then.
The Toyota Eagle Mk III was the ultimate Group C/GTP car, and still holds track records over 10 years later.[/QUOTE]
13 years ago, same circuit and still 4 sec. faster???? How many cars have done THAT?!?
1993 Toyota Eagke Mk III.
IMO, if you were to take cars throughout history, put equal tires on them, and reinforce the suspension on them enough so they won't rip out of the car, the Toyota Eagle Mk III at full boost would be the fastest sports car ever, followed by the Porsche 917/30. In 1993, PJ Jones ran a 43.112 second lap at Lime Rock (yes, with the chicaine), 4 sec/lap faster than the ALMS pole there last year. Keep in mind, tire technology has improved A LOT since then.
The Toyota Eagle Mk III was the ultimate Group C/GTP car, and still holds track records over 10 years later.[/QUOTE]
13 years ago, same circuit and still 4 sec. faster???? How many cars have done THAT?!?
| Cloaked | 06-22-2006 02:29 PM |
[QUOTE=kfoote]One other car I'll throw out as a candidate, since it hasn't been mentioned yet:
1993 Toyota Eagke Mk III.
IMO, if you were to take cars throughout history, put equal tires on them, and reinforce the suspension on them enough so they won't rip out of the car, the Toyota Eagle Mk III at full boost would be the fastest sports car ever, followed by the Porsche 917/30. In 1993, PJ Jones ran a 43.112 second lap at Lime Rock (yes, with the chicaine), 4 sec/lap faster than the ALMS pole there last year. Keep in mind, tire technology has improved A LOT since then.
The Toyota Eagle Mk III was the ultimate Group C/GTP car, and still holds track records over 10 years later.[/QUOTE]I think its safe to say that the toyota didn't really make a name for itself until Nissan left and I think its safe to say that the GTone never was on lime rock neither was the peugeot 905B which was a rocket.
1993 Toyota Eagke Mk III.
IMO, if you were to take cars throughout history, put equal tires on them, and reinforce the suspension on them enough so they won't rip out of the car, the Toyota Eagle Mk III at full boost would be the fastest sports car ever, followed by the Porsche 917/30. In 1993, PJ Jones ran a 43.112 second lap at Lime Rock (yes, with the chicaine), 4 sec/lap faster than the ALMS pole there last year. Keep in mind, tire technology has improved A LOT since then.
The Toyota Eagle Mk III was the ultimate Group C/GTP car, and still holds track records over 10 years later.[/QUOTE]I think its safe to say that the toyota didn't really make a name for itself until Nissan left and I think its safe to say that the GTone never was on lime rock neither was the peugeot 905B which was a rocket.
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