| Sc00byD00d | 08-18-2006 10:46 AM |
Rally / Rallycross Advice
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Ok, so I have ready all the FAQs, bounced around the internet reading everything I can find, and am ready to take the slow and steady approach to entering the Rally world.
I seriously considered going the autocross route instead, but it just doesn't make me all warm and fuzzy the way off-road racing does. All this said I plan to attend Tim O'Neil's rally experience 1 day class in October and one of the 4 day classes in the spring.
I plan to go with either a NA AWD car or a FWD model. What I'd like to know is if there are any particular models you think I should include in my search? I'd like something with decent low end torque but since this is my starter car it doesn't need to be beefy. Price isn't too big of a deal, although staying under 10k would leave me more money for the suspension and safety mods needed.
Here's my list so far:
1980-2000
Impreza L
Audio Quattro 4000
BMW 318TI
VW GTI
Acura Integra
DSM (Talon, Laser, Eclipse)
- John
I seriously considered going the autocross route instead, but it just doesn't make me all warm and fuzzy the way off-road racing does. All this said I plan to attend Tim O'Neil's rally experience 1 day class in October and one of the 4 day classes in the spring.
I plan to go with either a NA AWD car or a FWD model. What I'd like to know is if there are any particular models you think I should include in my search? I'd like something with decent low end torque but since this is my starter car it doesn't need to be beefy. Price isn't too big of a deal, although staying under 10k would leave me more money for the suspension and safety mods needed.
Here's my list so far:
1980-2000
Impreza L
Audio Quattro 4000
BMW 318TI
VW GTI
Acura Integra
DSM (Talon, Laser, Eclipse)
- John
| Howl | 08-18-2006 11:25 AM |
Look at the entry list for any performance rally (particularly the local/regional events). See what other people are using. Why are they using them? Because they are the best platforms for the money. Occasionally you'll see someone come along in a unique car, which is cool, but they inevitably end up spending a lot of money for a car that is not really competitive.
From your list the Impreza, VW GTI and DSM (Talon, Laser, Eclipse) are all common entrants. The BMW, Integra and Audi Quattro 4000, while nice cars, are not.
RallyX is another matter. Bring whatever you got and have fun.
From your list the Impreza, VW GTI and DSM (Talon, Laser, Eclipse) are all common entrants. The BMW, Integra and Audi Quattro 4000, while nice cars, are not.
RallyX is another matter. Bring whatever you got and have fun.
| Sc00byD00d | 08-18-2006 11:45 AM |
[QUOTE=Howl]Look at the entry list for any performance rally (particularly the local/regional events). See what other people are using. Why are they using them? Because they are the best platforms for the money. Occasionally you'll see someone come along in a unique car, which is cool, but they inevitably end up spending a lot of money for a car that is not really competitive.
From your list the Impreza, VW GTI and DSM (Talon, Laser, Eclipse) are all common entrants. The BMW, Integra and Audi Quattro 4000, while nice cars, are not.
RallyX is another matter. Bring whatever you got and have fun.[/QUOTE]
I don�t know why I didn�t think to look at entry lists. Thanks for the tip.
I included the 4000 Quattro because that�s the Car of choice at Tim O�Neil�s schools and the Integra because it�s relatively torquey and exceedingly common to find used.
With regards to RallyX� I have an 04� STi and an 07� Quest neither of which I�d feel comfortable taking to the dirt.
[QUOTE=aspect]I would decide if you want FWD or AWD. In AWD, you are pretty much stuck with a 2.5RS if you want to go N/A, there arn't too many other cars that can be competitive in that class and not have a turbo. If you are going FWD, the GTi is a favorite everywhere, as well as civics to a lesser extent. Some guys up here just put an RSX motor into a mid ninties civic hatch for group 2, it's silly fast.
Have you considered just buying a car that's already prepped? There are quite a few nice 2wd examples floating around as people often move up to a turbo AWD car after a few years in a GTI.[/QUOTE]
I think I�d like to wait on a turboed car. I�d rather learn to drive correctly before I learn to drive quickly. I did look around for some used rally cars and couldn�t seem to find any. I even tried a few of the dedicated race car classified boards and all the rally sections were empty. That�s not a big deal though I�d kind of like to learn as I build out my own.
- Scooby
From your list the Impreza, VW GTI and DSM (Talon, Laser, Eclipse) are all common entrants. The BMW, Integra and Audi Quattro 4000, while nice cars, are not.
RallyX is another matter. Bring whatever you got and have fun.[/QUOTE]
I don�t know why I didn�t think to look at entry lists. Thanks for the tip.
I included the 4000 Quattro because that�s the Car of choice at Tim O�Neil�s schools and the Integra because it�s relatively torquey and exceedingly common to find used.
With regards to RallyX� I have an 04� STi and an 07� Quest neither of which I�d feel comfortable taking to the dirt.
[QUOTE=aspect]I would decide if you want FWD or AWD. In AWD, you are pretty much stuck with a 2.5RS if you want to go N/A, there arn't too many other cars that can be competitive in that class and not have a turbo. If you are going FWD, the GTi is a favorite everywhere, as well as civics to a lesser extent. Some guys up here just put an RSX motor into a mid ninties civic hatch for group 2, it's silly fast.
Have you considered just buying a car that's already prepped? There are quite a few nice 2wd examples floating around as people often move up to a turbo AWD car after a few years in a GTI.[/QUOTE]
I think I�d like to wait on a turboed car. I�d rather learn to drive correctly before I learn to drive quickly. I did look around for some used rally cars and couldn�t seem to find any. I even tried a few of the dedicated race car classified boards and all the rally sections were empty. That�s not a big deal though I�d kind of like to learn as I build out my own.
- Scooby
| Kitsune | 08-18-2006 11:58 AM |
O'Neil loves his VW/Audis but an old Quattro might be a potential PITA in maintaining. If you want to go rallyx in AWD, get a Impreza L, it will be cheaper then an RS to buy and the power differance is not that significant. Plus the L is a bit lighter, and you have less body kit whatever bits to worry about breaking off the car. You can do a little bit of "OEM" work to the car and maintain a production class legality.
I'm am bias of course since my L has provided me with much success and zero problems. RS is a good choice of course, but I'm partial to my car. ;)
If you want to go FWD, an old VW Golf is a very popular choice. You could maybe find an old Rabbit, they are less stable then the Golf, but that might be an advantage for rallyx as the courses are usually tight. If you decide to go stage rally though, the Golf is the much better option over the Rabbit, as Rabbits can get a bit unruley at high speed. An old Honda is a good choice as well, as they are reliable beaters.
If you are just going to rallycross, you don't need a rally-car. You can pickup a rallycar later if you decide stepping up to stage rally is what you really want to do. Keep in mind, RallyX to stage rally is a MUCH bigger step then say autoX-trackday-roadrace.
You got a good attitude about wanting to learn to drive right before buying a fast car. Slow cars teach you a lot more about driving fast then you'd learn just jumping into the latest hot kit on the market.
I'm am bias of course since my L has provided me with much success and zero problems. RS is a good choice of course, but I'm partial to my car. ;)
If you want to go FWD, an old VW Golf is a very popular choice. You could maybe find an old Rabbit, they are less stable then the Golf, but that might be an advantage for rallyx as the courses are usually tight. If you decide to go stage rally though, the Golf is the much better option over the Rabbit, as Rabbits can get a bit unruley at high speed. An old Honda is a good choice as well, as they are reliable beaters.
If you are just going to rallycross, you don't need a rally-car. You can pickup a rallycar later if you decide stepping up to stage rally is what you really want to do. Keep in mind, RallyX to stage rally is a MUCH bigger step then say autoX-trackday-roadrace.
You got a good attitude about wanting to learn to drive right before buying a fast car. Slow cars teach you a lot more about driving fast then you'd learn just jumping into the latest hot kit on the market.
| bjorn240 | 08-18-2006 12:04 PM |
Here's your refined list:
1980-2000
Impreza L
VW GTI
Acura Integra
Honda Civic
DSM's are ok, but they're really small inside.
1980-2000
Impreza L
VW GTI
Acura Integra
Honda Civic
DSM's are ok, but they're really small inside.
| Sc00byD00d | 08-18-2006 12:18 PM |
[QUOTE=aspect]
Kitsune is bang on, a rallyx car is very different than a prorally car. To be sucessful at rallyx you need a decent car, dirt tires, a skidplate, and maybe some stiffer springs/struts. For prorally you need to spend 10-15k on car prep, tires, suspension, racing suits, helmets, etc etc. And that's just to go rallying, doesn't mean you are going to be competitive :) It does help a lot if you are a welder, or if you are a good mechanic. I am neither! :disco:
[/QUOTE]
I am leaning heavily into just starting at Rallyx, I realize there this a big difference between that and Staged Rally but I just want to do this slow and steady. Money isn't really a big deal for me so long as I'm not just throwing it away without any ROI (the return being having fun).
- Scooby
Kitsune is bang on, a rallyx car is very different than a prorally car. To be sucessful at rallyx you need a decent car, dirt tires, a skidplate, and maybe some stiffer springs/struts. For prorally you need to spend 10-15k on car prep, tires, suspension, racing suits, helmets, etc etc. And that's just to go rallying, doesn't mean you are going to be competitive :) It does help a lot if you are a welder, or if you are a good mechanic. I am neither! :disco:
[/QUOTE]
I am leaning heavily into just starting at Rallyx, I realize there this a big difference between that and Staged Rally but I just want to do this slow and steady. Money isn't really a big deal for me so long as I'm not just throwing it away without any ROI (the return being having fun).
- Scooby
| Sc00byD00d | 08-18-2006 12:21 PM |
BTW... I have noticed alot of ralliers from Western Canada, is this because the roads haven't been paved up there yet? :p
- Scooby
- Scooby
| RallyCat66 | 08-18-2006 12:25 PM |
While the Audi's are fun, they really are not a good choice to rally. They are getting long inthe tooth, harder to find good parts for, and will be a PITA to keep running strong. Yea, Tim O' loves his Quattros, but even he is starting to use Imprezas more and more.
Keep in mind that you probably will not be allowed to Stage rally an AWD/Turbo car when you first start out. You must get some experience in P or G2 first (NASA is looking to adopt similar rules very soon). Look for a good FWD car (VW's are very popular and easy to prepare) to start out in. Bet bet is to find something already prepared and buy it - just make sure it's log booked and the cage is up to current specs!
As for rallycross - just go for it. As everyone else has said, you don't need a full rally car to do it and the car set up is different if you are aiming to be competitive. You want a car that rotates very easily for most rallycrosses, but the same car on stage will feel way to squirrelly.
When you go up to O'Neil's, talk to the instructors about what to look for and what you're goals are. They usually steer you in the right direction.
Tim
Keep in mind that you probably will not be allowed to Stage rally an AWD/Turbo car when you first start out. You must get some experience in P or G2 first (NASA is looking to adopt similar rules very soon). Look for a good FWD car (VW's are very popular and easy to prepare) to start out in. Bet bet is to find something already prepared and buy it - just make sure it's log booked and the cage is up to current specs!
As for rallycross - just go for it. As everyone else has said, you don't need a full rally car to do it and the car set up is different if you are aiming to be competitive. You want a car that rotates very easily for most rallycrosses, but the same car on stage will feel way to squirrelly.
When you go up to O'Neil's, talk to the instructors about what to look for and what you're goals are. They usually steer you in the right direction.
Tim
| Kitsune | 08-18-2006 12:28 PM |
Would like to add about the DSMs, I think they are really good cars, I like em, but true are very cramped. I'm only 5'9 and can fit inside one alright, but that roof line being that close to your head does not inspire confidence.
SD: Are you from Maryland? If so have you checked out New England Region's info yet? ww.ner.org
I'm not a huge SCCA fan, but, I always had a great time at NER's events and they have great organization and competition, cool people. Plus they sometimes run at O'Neils which is one awesome fun course.
I'll also vouch for O'Neil's classes. Great instructors and atmosphere, and you might even get O'Neil himself doing some instructing, which can be a bit itimidating. :o
SD: Are you from Maryland? If so have you checked out New England Region's info yet? ww.ner.org
I'm not a huge SCCA fan, but, I always had a great time at NER's events and they have great organization and competition, cool people. Plus they sometimes run at O'Neils which is one awesome fun course.
I'll also vouch for O'Neil's classes. Great instructors and atmosphere, and you might even get O'Neil himself doing some instructing, which can be a bit itimidating. :o
| Sc00byD00d | 08-18-2006 12:38 PM |
[QUOTE=RallyCat66]
Keep in mind that you probably will not be allowed to Stage rally an AWD/Turbo car when you first start out. You must get some experience in P or G2 first (NASA is looking to adopt similar rules very soon). Look for a good FWD car (VW's are very popular and easy to prepare) to start out in. Bet bet is to find something already prepared and buy it - just make sure it's log booked and the cage is up to current specs!
Tim[/QUOTE]
When I make the decision to give Stage Rally a try I plan to enter at the G2 level. This was the suggestion made by the folks in Dayton, NH. Since I started this thread today I am actually looking at a Mazda 323. It's slready been set up for G2. The problem is that it's in Cali and I'm in MD.
- Scooby
Keep in mind that you probably will not be allowed to Stage rally an AWD/Turbo car when you first start out. You must get some experience in P or G2 first (NASA is looking to adopt similar rules very soon). Look for a good FWD car (VW's are very popular and easy to prepare) to start out in. Bet bet is to find something already prepared and buy it - just make sure it's log booked and the cage is up to current specs!
Tim[/QUOTE]
When I make the decision to give Stage Rally a try I plan to enter at the G2 level. This was the suggestion made by the folks in Dayton, NH. Since I started this thread today I am actually looking at a Mazda 323. It's slready been set up for G2. The problem is that it's in Cali and I'm in MD.
- Scooby
| AlbaScoob | 08-18-2006 01:00 PM |
as everyone will tell you, if you plan on doing RA events forget about AWD
buy a Gp2 car but you already know that
if you want to just do rallycross get a WRX and set it up to the limit of PA rules...
just my opinion...based on what I'm doing
buy a Gp2 car but you already know that
if you want to just do rallycross get a WRX and set it up to the limit of PA rules...
just my opinion...based on what I'm doing
| lummer shawn | 08-18-2006 01:34 PM |
[QUOTE=Sc00byD00d]BTW... I have noticed alot of ralliers from Western Canada, is this because the roads haven't been paved up there yet? :p
- Scooby[/QUOTE]
yes
and bjorn240 made a good ammended list.
ALSO, remember, you can get a FWD impreza too, to start off with, and then when you have the money/want to go AWD all the parts are like lego and you can swap in the AWD drivetrain. :)
- Scooby[/QUOTE]
yes
and bjorn240 made a good ammended list.
ALSO, remember, you can get a FWD impreza too, to start off with, and then when you have the money/want to go AWD all the parts are like lego and you can swap in the AWD drivetrain. :)
| LyveWRX | 08-18-2006 01:35 PM |
[quote]"I am leaning heavily into just starting at Rallyx,"[/quote]
Two things:
1) Ya make us proud by doing your research. I say Three Cheers For the Noob who Knows!!!!
Hip Hip Hooray!
2) You alos might want to investigate TSD Rally, slower speeds, but still real cars on real roads. (And it'll help you with in-car team work.)
[url]http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/moose/plug.html[/url]
[url]http://www.jcna.com/library/rally/index.php[/url]
[url]http://www.mco.org/files/rally/TSD_TheVeryBasics.pdf[/url]
[url]http://www.goss.com/rally.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.reasonability.net/~fairbank/tsd.html[/url]
[url]http://www.scca.com/Rally/RoadRally.asp[/url]
Two things:
1) Ya make us proud by doing your research. I say Three Cheers For the Noob who Knows!!!!
Hip Hip Hooray!
2) You alos might want to investigate TSD Rally, slower speeds, but still real cars on real roads. (And it'll help you with in-car team work.)
[url]http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/moose/plug.html[/url]
[url]http://www.jcna.com/library/rally/index.php[/url]
[url]http://www.mco.org/files/rally/TSD_TheVeryBasics.pdf[/url]
[url]http://www.goss.com/rally.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.reasonability.net/~fairbank/tsd.html[/url]
[url]http://www.scca.com/Rally/RoadRally.asp[/url]
| Sc00byD00d | 08-18-2006 02:03 PM |
[QUOTE=LyveWRX]Two things:
1) Ya make us proud by doing your research. I say Three Cheers For the Noob who Knows!!!!
Hip Hip Hooray!
2) You alos might want to investigate TSD Rally, slower speeds, but still real cars on real roads. (And it'll help you with in-car team work.)
[/QUOTE]
My Co-driver/navigator is my wife and we've done Road Rallies in the past. They are definitely challenging, well at least to place high, but don't offer the reflex test I am looking for. As an aside my wife will be attending the 4 day rally class with me in the spring so hopefully that'll greatly improve our "communcation" skills.
Another question for those of you doing RallyX... is there a point to having a passenger in these events or are they just along for the ride, and can the same car be entered by two participants?
- Scooby
1) Ya make us proud by doing your research. I say Three Cheers For the Noob who Knows!!!!
Hip Hip Hooray!
2) You alos might want to investigate TSD Rally, slower speeds, but still real cars on real roads. (And it'll help you with in-car team work.)
[/QUOTE]
My Co-driver/navigator is my wife and we've done Road Rallies in the past. They are definitely challenging, well at least to place high, but don't offer the reflex test I am looking for. As an aside my wife will be attending the 4 day rally class with me in the spring so hopefully that'll greatly improve our "communcation" skills.
Another question for those of you doing RallyX... is there a point to having a passenger in these events or are they just along for the ride, and can the same car be entered by two participants?
- Scooby
| bjorn240 | 08-18-2006 02:17 PM |
Scooby,
There is not much point to a co-driver at a rallycross, but two people can usually share a car. If you decide to enter stage rally events, and your wife wants some co-driving instruction specific to stage rallying, I am happy to help.
(I'm a good co-driver.)
- Christian
There is not much point to a co-driver at a rallycross, but two people can usually share a car. If you decide to enter stage rally events, and your wife wants some co-driving instruction specific to stage rallying, I am happy to help.
(I'm a good co-driver.)
- Christian
| RallyCat66 | 08-18-2006 02:27 PM |
[QUOTE=Sc00byD00d]Another question for those of you doing RallyX... is there a point to having a passenger in these events or are they just along for the ride, and can the same car be entered by two participants?
- Scooby[/QUOTE]
Depends on who you talk to. :devil: There usually isn't a point to a passenger except to give them a fun ride. But, going for rides before taking your runs and having a "co-driver" feeding you reminders about parts of the course can definitely help - we're only talking tenths of a second here, but sometimes that's all it takes. Hence the restriction on passengers at Divisional and National events now.
And yes, you can share a ride. Here in NER we allow up to three people running in the same car.
- Scooby[/QUOTE]
Depends on who you talk to. :devil: There usually isn't a point to a passenger except to give them a fun ride. But, going for rides before taking your runs and having a "co-driver" feeding you reminders about parts of the course can definitely help - we're only talking tenths of a second here, but sometimes that's all it takes. Hence the restriction on passengers at Divisional and National events now.
And yes, you can share a ride. Here in NER we allow up to three people running in the same car.
| Sc00byD00d | 08-18-2006 02:43 PM |
[QUOTE=RallyCat66]Depends on who you talk to. :devil: There usually isn't a point to a passenger except to give them a fun ride. But, going for rides before taking your runs and having a "co-driver" feeding you reminders about parts of the course can definitely help - we're only talking tenths of a second here, but sometimes that's all it takes. Hence the restriction on passengers at Divisional and National events now.
And yes, you can share a ride. Here in NER we allow up to three people running in the same car.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bjorn240]Scooby,
There is not much point to a co-driver at a rallycross, but two people can usually share a car.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
My wife wants to give it a go at RallyX events but is too chicken to try the big boy(or girl) races. I want her to site side-saddle on my RallyX events just so she gets used to being in the co-pilot seat. BTW Bjorn she's 4 months pregger so if I do any winter events I may need a "good co-driver" (all expenses paid).
- Scooby
And yes, you can share a ride. Here in NER we allow up to three people running in the same car.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bjorn240]Scooby,
There is not much point to a co-driver at a rallycross, but two people can usually share a car.
- Christian[/QUOTE]
My wife wants to give it a go at RallyX events but is too chicken to try the big boy(or girl) races. I want her to site side-saddle on my RallyX events just so she gets used to being in the co-pilot seat. BTW Bjorn she's 4 months pregger so if I do any winter events I may need a "good co-driver" (all expenses paid).
- Scooby
| randy zimmer | 08-18-2006 04:35 PM |
NA 4WD has been OK'd by RA.
A 2.2 Impreza is a great way to start.
rz
A 2.2 Impreza is a great way to start.
rz
| greg donovan | 08-18-2006 09:43 PM |
[QUOTE=Sc00byD00d]My wife wants to give it a go at RallyX events but is too chicken to try the big boy(or girl) races. I want her to site side-saddle on my RallyX events just so she gets used to being in the co-pilot seat. BTW Bjorn she's 4 months pregger so if I do any winter events I may need a "good co-driver" (all expenses paid).
- Scooby[/QUOTE]
"good co-driver" is a massive understatement on christian's part.
[SIZE=1]he is Travis Pastrana's co-driver.[/SIZE]
- Scooby[/QUOTE]
"good co-driver" is a massive understatement on christian's part.
[SIZE=1]he is Travis Pastrana's co-driver.[/SIZE]
| Sc00byD00d | 08-18-2006 11:11 PM |
[QUOTE=greg donovan]"good co-driver" is a massive understatement on christian's part.
[SIZE=1]he is Travis Pastrana's co-driver.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
LOL, is that 'MY" foot in my mouth?! Who knew I could get my all 5 toes in there?! Sorry Christian!
- Scooby
[SIZE=1]he is Travis Pastrana's co-driver.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
LOL, is that 'MY" foot in my mouth?! Who knew I could get my all 5 toes in there?! Sorry Christian!
- Scooby
| bjorn240 | 08-18-2006 11:24 PM |
No worries; I meant it - I'm happy to teach people co-driving. Teaching someone what you know is a really good way of reinforcing the details to yourself.
BTW, where in Maryland are you?
BTW, where in Maryland are you?
| Jtree | 08-18-2006 11:59 PM |
all expenses paid said you? as a navvie ho, thems musical words. sitting w/ an experienced co-driver is a good idea for yer first race or two, it'll help ya get up to speed and perhaps feel a bit more comfortable with the inevitable little problems that will occur.
JTree
JTree
| greg donovan | 08-19-2006 10:27 AM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240]No worries; I meant it - I'm happy to teach people co-driving. Teaching someone what you know is a really good way of reinforcing the details to yourself.
BTW, where in Maryland are you?[/QUOTE]
the co-driver tips you offer on [url]www.christianedstrom.com[/url] are really helpfull. wish i had some of that info on my first co driving adventures.
BTW, where in Maryland are you?[/QUOTE]
the co-driver tips you offer on [url]www.christianedstrom.com[/url] are really helpfull. wish i had some of that info on my first co driving adventures.
| bjorn240 | 08-19-2006 12:12 PM |
Greg, I'm actually updating that site with lots more information about things I do on transits, how to make recce easier, a new movement schedule, and some other information in the next few weeks.
| ROC pit-bull | 08-19-2006 09:45 PM |
impreza 2.2
legacy 2.2
impreza 2.5
a used legacy will be less money then an impreza, and "basicly" the same car. But the legacy's are easier to find with front and read discs. Many imprezas have drums in the rear.
if you want to go 2wd
civic
crx
VW
I havn't seen that many DSM's do well consistantly. I'd avoid them if rallying with the car.
legacy 2.2
impreza 2.5
a used legacy will be less money then an impreza, and "basicly" the same car. But the legacy's are easier to find with front and read discs. Many imprezas have drums in the rear.
if you want to go 2wd
civic
crx
VW
I havn't seen that many DSM's do well consistantly. I'd avoid them if rallying with the car.
| greg donovan | 08-20-2006 01:36 AM |
[QUOTE=ROC pit-bull]impreza 2.2
legacy 2.2
impreza 2.5
a used legacy will be less money then an impreza, and "basicly" the same car. But the legacy's are easier to find with front and read discs. Many imprezas have drums in the rear.
if you want to go 2wd
civic
crx
VW
I havn't seen that many DSM's do well consistantly. I'd avoid them if rallying with the car.[/QUOTE]
for rallyx i would put the VW ahead of the civic as well as a FWD legacy. my 90 FWD legacy is pretty competitive in rallyx and thanks to the new RA G2 rules can run as big as a 3.0 liter flat 6 and still be in G2 for stage rally. granted the ej25 in that car would be awesome for G2.
legacy 2.2
impreza 2.5
a used legacy will be less money then an impreza, and "basicly" the same car. But the legacy's are easier to find with front and read discs. Many imprezas have drums in the rear.
if you want to go 2wd
civic
crx
VW
I havn't seen that many DSM's do well consistantly. I'd avoid them if rallying with the car.[/QUOTE]
for rallyx i would put the VW ahead of the civic as well as a FWD legacy. my 90 FWD legacy is pretty competitive in rallyx and thanks to the new RA G2 rules can run as big as a 3.0 liter flat 6 and still be in G2 for stage rally. granted the ej25 in that car would be awesome for G2.
| greg donovan | 08-20-2006 01:40 AM |
[QUOTE=bjorn240]Greg, I'm actually updating that site with lots more information about things I do on transits, how to make recce easier, a new movement schedule, and some other information in the next few weeks.[/QUOTE]
cool, i will be on the lookout for it. i almost got us really lost on a transit because Jim Cox and i started chatting about god knows waht and missed a turn. that should be transit tip #1. the transit is still part of the rally, so PAY ATTENTION!
have you seen rob bohn's co-driver intro web slideshow?
cool, i will be on the lookout for it. i almost got us really lost on a transit because Jim Cox and i started chatting about god knows waht and missed a turn. that should be transit tip #1. the transit is still part of the rally, so PAY ATTENTION!
have you seen rob bohn's co-driver intro web slideshow?
| Fred | 08-20-2006 09:50 AM |
You need to go to the [url]www.dcrally.com[/url] events at Oakland Acres, VA. Lots of fun, and good people. I'll hopefully be up there for the rest of the events this year, and can ride along with you and tell you what to do to go fast.
I can't really recommend anything other than a 2000-01 2.5RS for AWD rallyx, because I don't want to put you at a huge disadvantage. ;) It would make a good rally car, too - if you're not trying to keep up with STi's. For 2WD rallyx, the early 90's Sentra SE-R usually dominates in my area, with a Focus or Neon making it to the top periodically. You could do the spec-Focus rally car thing if you're more interested in 2WD.
I can't really recommend anything other than a 2000-01 2.5RS for AWD rallyx, because I don't want to put you at a huge disadvantage. ;) It would make a good rally car, too - if you're not trying to keep up with STi's. For 2WD rallyx, the early 90's Sentra SE-R usually dominates in my area, with a Focus or Neon making it to the top periodically. You could do the spec-Focus rally car thing if you're more interested in 2WD.
| DiscoGsus | 08-20-2006 10:06 AM |
I'm with Fred. Those early Sentra SE-R's, and even just XE's are pretty fast. they have a good chasis and thats the most important. Stock for stock the SE-R's are going to faster then the hondas.
| greg donovan | 08-20-2006 11:15 AM |
dont rule out an old Merkur XR4TI for rally and rallyx. if you can find one that isnt rusted away to nothingness.
| anders8 | 08-21-2006 12:40 AM |
[QUOTE=RallyCat66]Keep in mind that you probably will not be allowed to Stage rally an AWD/Turbo car when you first start out. You must get some experience in P or G2 first[/quote]
This is true for Rally-America events.
[QUOTE=RallyCat66]NASA is looking to adopt similar rules very soon.[/QUOTE]
No.
They.
Aren't.
Surprisingly, this is the second time in a couple of weeks that I've heard this from folks mainly involved with Rally-America events. I don't know why. I've recently discussed the issue with other NASA officials, and none of us knew where this was coming from. In any case NASA Rally Sport plans on continuing to allow people to drive what they bring.
Cheers,
Anders, NASA Rally Sport Southeast Competitor Liaison
This is true for Rally-America events.
[QUOTE=RallyCat66]NASA is looking to adopt similar rules very soon.[/QUOTE]
No.
They.
Aren't.
Surprisingly, this is the second time in a couple of weeks that I've heard this from folks mainly involved with Rally-America events. I don't know why. I've recently discussed the issue with other NASA officials, and none of us knew where this was coming from. In any case NASA Rally Sport plans on continuing to allow people to drive what they bring.
Cheers,
Anders, NASA Rally Sport Southeast Competitor Liaison
| ROC pit-bull | 08-21-2006 09:51 AM |
I only put the Honda's over the VW's because I like honda's better, not because there a better platform
Anders, I sent an email to some one in the NASA org. about the seats. I was hoping I'd be able to use my cordeau FX1 seats. No FIA aproval stamp on them, but I'd be able to run in RA with them.
Anders, I sent an email to some one in the NASA org. about the seats. I was hoping I'd be able to use my cordeau FX1 seats. No FIA aproval stamp on them, but I'd be able to run in RA with them.
| RallyCat66 | 08-21-2006 09:53 AM |
[QUOTE=anders8]
Surprisingly, this is the second time in a couple of weeks that I've heard this from folks mainly involved with Rally-America events. I don't know why. I've recently discussed the issue with other NASA officials, and none of us knew where this was coming from. In any case NASA Rally Sport plans on continuing to allow people to drive what they bring.
Cheers,
Anders, NASA Rally Sport Southeast Competitor Liaison[/QUOTE]
I'll stand corrected on that one then. I've heard this several times over the past year, both in person and via forums, but if it's rumor, then it's just rumor. You're much closer to the horse's mouth than I am. :lol:
Surprisingly, this is the second time in a couple of weeks that I've heard this from folks mainly involved with Rally-America events. I don't know why. I've recently discussed the issue with other NASA officials, and none of us knew where this was coming from. In any case NASA Rally Sport plans on continuing to allow people to drive what they bring.
Cheers,
Anders, NASA Rally Sport Southeast Competitor Liaison[/QUOTE]
I'll stand corrected on that one then. I've heard this several times over the past year, both in person and via forums, but if it's rumor, then it's just rumor. You're much closer to the horse's mouth than I am. :lol:
| anders8 | 08-21-2006 09:58 AM |
[QUOTE=ROC pit-bull]Anders, I sent an email to some one in the NASA org. about the seats. I was hoping I'd be able to use my cordeau FX1 seats. No FIA aproval stamp on them, but I'd be able to run in RA with them.[/QUOTE]
If RA accepts them, and you get a RA log book, you can show up to any NASA event and present your RA legal car and run the event. No worries. :)
Cheers,
Anders
If RA accepts them, and you get a RA log book, you can show up to any NASA event and present your RA legal car and run the event. No worries. :)
Cheers,
Anders
| ROC pit-bull | 08-21-2006 10:13 AM |
[QUOTE=anders8]If RA accepts them, and you get a RA log book, you can show up to any NASA event and present your RA legal car and run the event. No worries. :)
Cheers,
Anders[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how all this works. Thats good I can run in NASA events. Would I be eligible to have my points be eligible for the NY championship with just a RA liscense? (my spelling is bad :D )
Cheers,
Anders[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how all this works. Thats good I can run in NASA events. Would I be eligible to have my points be eligible for the NY championship with just a RA liscense? (my spelling is bad :D )
| anders8 | 08-21-2006 10:37 AM |
[QUOTE=ROC pit-bull]Would I be eligible to have my points be eligible for the NY championship with just a RA liscense?[/QUOTE]
Honestly I don't know. Since the NY championship has split off and done it's own thing, I couldn't give you any conclusive answers. You'll have to do some investigation at rallynewyork.com.
Cheers,
Anders
Honestly I don't know. Since the NY championship has split off and done it's own thing, I couldn't give you any conclusive answers. You'll have to do some investigation at rallynewyork.com.
Cheers,
Anders
| anders8 | 08-21-2006 10:39 AM |
[QUOTE=ROC pit-bull]I'm not sure how all this works. Thats good I can run in NASA events.[/QUOTE]
Oh, forgot to mention: your car would be legal, you would still need a NASA membership to run a NASA event; that gives you access to all the event insurance.
Cheers,
Anders
Oh, forgot to mention: your car would be legal, you would still need a NASA membership to run a NASA event; that gives you access to all the event insurance.
Cheers,
Anders
| ROC pit-bull | 08-21-2006 10:49 AM |
Thanks anders. hope to see you out there when i finaly get going.
| recce02 | 08-21-2006 11:47 PM |
[QUOTE=Sc00byD00d]My Co-driver/navigator is my wife and we've done Road Rallies in the past. They are definitely challenging, well at least to place high, but don't offer the reflex test I am looking for. As an aside my wife will be attending the 4 day rally class with me in the spring so hopefully that'll greatly improve our "communcation" skills.
Another question for those of you doing RallyX... is there a point to having a passenger in these events or are they just along for the ride, and can the same car be entered by two participants?
- Scooby[/QUOTE]
Well I just read that your wife is pregnant, congrats. But i was just going to add that having a co-driver while rally-X is a great idea. I added an intercom system in the car when I first started. Your steps are very similar with the ones that I have taken.
At the Rally-X we would walk the course and make pace notes. After playing enough rally video games, I thought I knew how describe the terrain. But aparanetly I did not know jack. But after a few rally-X we started to get some of the calls right. Now I don't know if your region allows you to walk the course before hand.
It definately helps once you progress to stage rally. Do they have rally sprintsn in your region? It is kind of in between rally-X and stage rally. They do real roads at smaller distances. The speeds are supposed to be slower and all cars have to be fully prepped. Out in California they had an actual championship but competitors dwindled. I think cause all of them have moved up to stage rally. But in any case it would be worth the search.
As I have built my rally car with great friends and a lot of help it will be cheaper for you to buy a used one. And you will have your ROI a lot sooner.
Seat time is the key, more seat time = ROI :)
my 2 cents
Peace out
Marvin
Gravel Crew Rally Team USA
Another question for those of you doing RallyX... is there a point to having a passenger in these events or are they just along for the ride, and can the same car be entered by two participants?
- Scooby[/QUOTE]
Well I just read that your wife is pregnant, congrats. But i was just going to add that having a co-driver while rally-X is a great idea. I added an intercom system in the car when I first started. Your steps are very similar with the ones that I have taken.
At the Rally-X we would walk the course and make pace notes. After playing enough rally video games, I thought I knew how describe the terrain. But aparanetly I did not know jack. But after a few rally-X we started to get some of the calls right. Now I don't know if your region allows you to walk the course before hand.
It definately helps once you progress to stage rally. Do they have rally sprintsn in your region? It is kind of in between rally-X and stage rally. They do real roads at smaller distances. The speeds are supposed to be slower and all cars have to be fully prepped. Out in California they had an actual championship but competitors dwindled. I think cause all of them have moved up to stage rally. But in any case it would be worth the search.
As I have built my rally car with great friends and a lot of help it will be cheaper for you to buy a used one. And you will have your ROI a lot sooner.
Seat time is the key, more seat time = ROI :)
my 2 cents
Peace out
Marvin
Gravel Crew Rally Team USA
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