| CletusTheDwarf | 05-08-2005 07:55 PM |
Recomend an autox racing harness
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I'm thinking that it would be nice to have a racing harness to use during autox, so i no longer have to have bruises on my knee from bracing myself after a day of autox. Can i get some recomentations of 3 point harnesses that aren't expensive, hold you in place well, and are easily removable? I'm not getting one for safety, just to hold me against the seat for autox.
Thanks.
Thanks.
| mykrrrr | 05-08-2005 08:39 PM |
Schroth makes some good 3 pt harnesses.
Check soloracer.com Brett has decent $$$ and great customer service. :D
I run a Schroth Profi II 4 pt harness and I love it. Need the sub belt to make it better.
-mykr.
Check soloracer.com Brett has decent $$$ and great customer service. :D
I run a Schroth Profi II 4 pt harness and I love it. Need the sub belt to make it better.
-mykr.
| CletusTheDwarf | 05-08-2005 08:40 PM |
could you give some details on how they detach quickly for when not autoxing?
| Scoobie Doogie | 05-08-2005 08:46 PM |
You could just use a child safety seat strap lock or get a CG-Lock. [url]www.cglock.com[/url]
I use the CG-Lock as does Brian Garfield and several others that are more notable than I.
Dave M
DS-ITR
I use the CG-Lock as does Brian Garfield and several others that are more notable than I.
Dave M
DS-ITR
| cgroppi | 05-08-2005 08:47 PM |
I have a Schroth Autocontrol in my car, and I love it. It is a 3 point harness with a electrically locking retractor. A switch allows you to lock and release the retractor, making it very easy to get in and out. The retractor belt can disconnect from the harness, and gets spooled up out of the way. You can then stuff the harness under the drivers seat when you're not using it. It also comes with a g-sensor. I wired this in, but never use it because I use the harness only fully locked. Took about 2 hours to install. You can see a thread on the install [URL=http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=536482&highlight=schroth]here.[/URL]
This meets all your criteria except cheap. They MSRP for over $200. I got mine on clearance from HMS motorsports in a weird color for $60, but they're all long gone. Schroth also makes a non-retracting harness for less money (the Rallye 3). They go for $150 or so, and are also easy to "remove" (i.e. put away), but they're not as convenient as the autocontrol.
Both these designs use your normal seatbelt anchors, and are easy to install. They don't interfere with the use of the factory belts.
This meets all your criteria except cheap. They MSRP for over $200. I got mine on clearance from HMS motorsports in a weird color for $60, but they're all long gone. Schroth also makes a non-retracting harness for less money (the Rallye 3). They go for $150 or so, and are also easy to "remove" (i.e. put away), but they're not as convenient as the autocontrol.
Both these designs use your normal seatbelt anchors, and are easy to install. They don't interfere with the use of the factory belts.
| Gspot | 05-08-2005 09:08 PM |
Cg Lock, $40
| CletusTheDwarf | 05-09-2005 01:16 AM |
so when you say put away, you mean the harness will just be hanging there unused, when you use the regular belt instead, right? Do they make any that you can just snap in and out quickly, only leaving in a small adapter of some sort?
| DRWRX28 | 05-09-2005 03:08 AM |
sparco belt, and use the c clips, like the ones that rock climbers use, and lock them into the child restaints, that way u can clip it in and out fast.
| Calamity Jesus | 05-09-2005 09:36 AM |
[QUOTE=CletusTheDwarf]so when you say put away, you mean the harness will just be hanging there unused, when you use the regular belt instead, right? Do they make any that you can just snap in and out quickly, only leaving in a small adapter of some sort?[/QUOTE]
I've got a Schroth Rallye 3 that I only use for autocross. The lap and shoulder belts spend 99% of the time in the floor behind the front seat. The link that connects the shoulder straps to the 3rd mounting point lays across the rear seat. When I had the belts mounted in my wagon, I'd actually take the time to stuff them underneath the seat when I wasn't using them. Since nobody ever sits behind me in my coupe, they're fine in the floor.
It takes me 20 seconds to get the harness ready before a race. All you need to do is pull the harness up and over the seat-back, and then thread the latch through the headrest and snap it into the rear link.
I've got a Schroth Rallye 3 that I only use for autocross. The lap and shoulder belts spend 99% of the time in the floor behind the front seat. The link that connects the shoulder straps to the 3rd mounting point lays across the rear seat. When I had the belts mounted in my wagon, I'd actually take the time to stuff them underneath the seat when I wasn't using them. Since nobody ever sits behind me in my coupe, they're fine in the floor.
It takes me 20 seconds to get the harness ready before a race. All you need to do is pull the harness up and over the seat-back, and then thread the latch through the headrest and snap it into the rear link.
| arubus | 05-09-2005 10:58 AM |
A harness isn't going to help keep your knees from banging around. It will just keep your torso and butt in the seat and just allow your head, arms and legs to move. I had the Schrothe Rally 4 in my WRX and also in my MP3. It helps alot since you don't have to brace yourself with your arms.
The only way to keep your legs from banging around is to get a race seat with good side bolsters.
Godspeed.
--Wayne
The only way to keep your legs from banging around is to get a race seat with good side bolsters.
Godspeed.
--Wayne
| CletusTheDwarf | 05-09-2005 11:05 AM |
well i didn't mean my legs are banging around, it's more that i'm bracing myself with me left knee agains the door a lot, with a harness i wouldn't have to brace myself with anything.
| BIGSKYWRX | 05-13-2005 08:30 PM |
I like the idea (simplicity) of the CG lock, but as near as I can tell the lock is just for the lap belt -correct? Can it be utilized on the shoulder strap as well? Could you have two- one for the lap the other for the shoulder?
TIA
TIA
| funsti | 05-15-2005 03:44 AM |
[QUOTE=BIGSKYWRX]I like the idea (simplicity) of the CG lock, but as near as I can tell the lock is just for the lap belt -correct? Can it be utilized on the shoulder strap as well? Could you have two- one for the lap the other for the shoulder?
TIA[/QUOTE]
I have a CG-Lock and as far as I can tell no you cannot use two of them. It works by attaching to the tongue of your existing seat belt and keeps only the lap portion of the belt tight. As far as I can tell there is no way to take the play out of the shoulder belt spool without drilling holes in your car to attach something similar in function to a CG-lock right up close to the spool.
I have used the CG lock at my first two events and it is definitely a good thing to have. However it only really secures the lower portion of your torso. The G-forces still do a pretty good job of bending your upper body to the sides when cornering hard. I mean.. it does hold you in quite well but I want my upper body to also be held in just as tightly.
I'm already planning to go ahead and get some nice harnesses. The new Schroth Rallye 4 Quick Fit harnesses for the STi look like the ticket but they are in short supply right now due to high demand.
TIA[/QUOTE]
I have a CG-Lock and as far as I can tell no you cannot use two of them. It works by attaching to the tongue of your existing seat belt and keeps only the lap portion of the belt tight. As far as I can tell there is no way to take the play out of the shoulder belt spool without drilling holes in your car to attach something similar in function to a CG-lock right up close to the spool.
I have used the CG lock at my first two events and it is definitely a good thing to have. However it only really secures the lower portion of your torso. The G-forces still do a pretty good job of bending your upper body to the sides when cornering hard. I mean.. it does hold you in quite well but I want my upper body to also be held in just as tightly.
I'm already planning to go ahead and get some nice harnesses. The new Schroth Rallye 4 Quick Fit harnesses for the STi look like the ticket but they are in short supply right now due to high demand.
| BIGSKYWRX | 05-15-2005 10:20 AM |
That's what I thought- I agree the seat belt tightening would be advantageous- having both tight would be even more advantageous :)
I'm looking at the Quick Fit as well- if I understand it correctly it could be used for HPDE's as well- that would be really nice!
I'm looking at the Quick Fit as well- if I understand it correctly it could be used for HPDE's as well- that would be really nice!
| funsti | 05-15-2005 10:56 AM |
The regional place I'm going to for my first HPDE (seat-time.com) only requires that the passenger get a restraint system that is equal or better than the driver. So the passenger can have a nice harness when the driver only has the factory 3 point belt.
I'm gonna go ahead and order the passenger harness and hope to get the driver harness in time for the HPDE..
I'm gonna go ahead and order the passenger harness and hope to get the driver harness in time for the HPDE..
| BIGSKYWRX | 05-15-2005 11:24 AM |
Please post up what you think of the setup- ease of install/uninstall, ability to adjust, etc when you get it in your passenger side.
| BIGSKYWRX | 05-18-2005 10:40 AM |
I talked to Brett (soloracer.com) and evidently there were fitment problems w/ the quick fit in the US Impreza. The fitting had been done w/ a Euro car and amazingly they have a different inboard seatbelt receptacle differrent than ours. He (and Schroth) did not find this out until he already sold close to 30 sets. Schroth ahs been sent the correct receptacle (US version) and they are trying to sort it out. He's called several times, but no time frame yet :(
| fuzzy13 | 05-18-2005 02:34 PM |
[QUOTE=BIGSKYWRX]I talked to Brett (soloracer.com) and evidently there were fitment problems w/ the quick fit in the US Impreza. The fitting had been done w/ a Euro car and amazingly they have a different inboard seatbelt receptacle differrent than ours. He (and Schroth) did not find this out until he already sold close to 30 sets. Schroth ahs been sent the correct receptacle (US version) and they are trying to sort it out. He's called several times, but no time frame yet :([/QUOTE]
Why, why, why do car companies do this? :rolleyes:
Think of the money they could save if the used the same receptacles.
Well, at least we now know why the belts have been backordered for so long.
Why, why, why do car companies do this? :rolleyes:
Think of the money they could save if the used the same receptacles.
Well, at least we now know why the belts have been backordered for so long.
| abaxter34 | 05-18-2005 09:59 PM |
stay away from the sparco clubman 3 point harness. i have one and wish id spent more to get the schroth. the range of adjustment on the sparco sucks. i can barely get the lap belt part tight enough and i have a 34 inch waist. i dont know if schroth makes on but try to get a harness with "pull up" lap belt adjustment.
| crystalhelix | 05-18-2005 11:44 PM |
I have a Schroth Rallye 4 point. I love it. I don't use shoulder pads and it is plenty comfy and supportive for AutoX
[url]www.soloracer.com[/url] ( fast shipping )
[url]www.soloracer.com[/url] ( fast shipping )
| BIGSKYWRX | 09-27-2005 09:24 PM |
The quick fits are finally in- Bret said they arrived today, mine is on the way :D
| WRXwagon2b | 09-27-2005 09:31 PM |
Try a CG-Lock before you go with a Harness if your just AutoXing. If you havent experienced a Harness as a driver before ask a friend that has one and see if its for you. Alotta guys that ran Harnesses are now running CG-Locks for AutoX due to the comfort its provides and stability of the system.
| Butt Dyno | 09-28-2005 12:41 AM |
[QUOTE=BIGSKYWRX]That's what I thought- I agree the seat belt tightening would be advantageous- having both tight would be even more advantageous :)
I'm looking at the Quick Fit as well- if I understand it correctly it could be used for HPDE's as well- that would be really nice![/QUOTE]
4-point harness at an HPDE?
I'm looking at the Quick Fit as well- if I understand it correctly it could be used for HPDE's as well- that would be really nice![/QUOTE]
4-point harness at an HPDE?
| foxdeman | 09-28-2005 12:48 AM |
I have one from [url]http://www.racerwholesale.com[/url] with the eye bolts so I can clip it in and out.
Just remember it needs to be VERY TIGHT to be worth anything. Don't worry about them being too tight on the course, once you stand on the brakes for a tight corner you will want them to be tighter
Just remember it needs to be VERY TIGHT to be worth anything. Don't worry about them being too tight on the course, once you stand on the brakes for a tight corner you will want them to be tighter
| Scooby Freak | 09-28-2005 07:32 AM |
I use a sparco 3pt. w/ dual release. There is a buckle at the top, for when I need the back seat. It also has clips & eyebolts at the bottom, but it easier to just push it under the seat.
| copterdr | 09-28-2005 08:58 AM |
I use an G-Force Torso belt for upper body retention and a CG-lock for lower belt retention. The combination seems to keep me well planted in the seat while autocrosssing. Items can be found at [url]www.soloperformance.com[/url].
| BIGSKYWRX | 09-28-2005 09:40 AM |
[QUOTE=ButtDyno]4-point harness at an HPDE?[/QUOTE]
The Schroth has quite a few features that help w/ some of the concerns w/ your "typical" four point harness. First they use all factory mounting points for attachment. They have ASM (anti submarining technology) designed in as well- they are FMVSS/ NHTSA approved.
In addition The Quick Fit Belts also take advantage of the factory seat belt pre-tensioner, a device that tightens the belt 1-2 inches in the event of an accident. The Airbags will deploy as the engineers of the system intended for someone buckled in. With any other harness, the car wouldn�t detect that someone was buckled in, so the airbags would deploy faster and harder.
From Schroth on asm
The patented SCHROTH asm� system offers a unique safety advantage for 4-point harnesses. asm� is the acronym for anti submarining. The risk of submarining (sliding underneath the lap belt), a well known phenomenon during frontal impacts, is significantly reduced by the asm� safety system. The energy converter is located in the inboard shoulder belt. Therefore make sure you purchase left and/or right harnesses. Severe injuries or death are possible using 4-point harnesses without the SCHROTH asm� safety system or an anti-sub strap. SCHROTH harnesses designed for use on public roads (FE models) or those likely to be used as 4-points come with the asm� safety system.
They've got large pdf's that go further into the asm on their site.
If I'm not mistaken, the Schroth quick fit is actually a oe option in Europe on some of the BMW models.
What's really nice is everything quickly snaps out and can be strored elsewhere, your oe setup is not effected in any way.
The Schroth has quite a few features that help w/ some of the concerns w/ your "typical" four point harness. First they use all factory mounting points for attachment. They have ASM (anti submarining technology) designed in as well- they are FMVSS/ NHTSA approved.
In addition The Quick Fit Belts also take advantage of the factory seat belt pre-tensioner, a device that tightens the belt 1-2 inches in the event of an accident. The Airbags will deploy as the engineers of the system intended for someone buckled in. With any other harness, the car wouldn�t detect that someone was buckled in, so the airbags would deploy faster and harder.
From Schroth on asm
The patented SCHROTH asm� system offers a unique safety advantage for 4-point harnesses. asm� is the acronym for anti submarining. The risk of submarining (sliding underneath the lap belt), a well known phenomenon during frontal impacts, is significantly reduced by the asm� safety system. The energy converter is located in the inboard shoulder belt. Therefore make sure you purchase left and/or right harnesses. Severe injuries or death are possible using 4-point harnesses without the SCHROTH asm� safety system or an anti-sub strap. SCHROTH harnesses designed for use on public roads (FE models) or those likely to be used as 4-points come with the asm� safety system.
They've got large pdf's that go further into the asm on their site.
If I'm not mistaken, the Schroth quick fit is actually a oe option in Europe on some of the BMW models.
What's really nice is everything quickly snaps out and can be strored elsewhere, your oe setup is not effected in any way.
| Butt Dyno | 09-28-2005 10:38 AM |
Cool, was wondering. I have the autocontrol w/ asm in my WRX. It came up during a classroom session at Summit Point this weekend.
| Funky | 09-28-2005 01:12 PM |
Incase it hasn't been posted yet...
[url]http://www.schrothracing.com/docs/SchrothASMII.wmv[/url]
A Video of ASM in action. It's actually kind of scary to see the other 4-pt harness with no anti-sub strap or ASM in the crash test as the dummy's torso gets folded and shoved under the lap belt.
[url]http://www.schrothracing.com/docs/SchrothASMII.wmv[/url]
A Video of ASM in action. It's actually kind of scary to see the other 4-pt harness with no anti-sub strap or ASM in the crash test as the dummy's torso gets folded and shoved under the lap belt.
| Calamity Jesus | 09-28-2005 02:23 PM |
:eek:
I think I'll be wearing my Schroth all the time from now on.
I think I'll be wearing my Schroth all the time from now on.
| Brett555 | 09-28-2005 05:09 PM |
[i]please apply for vendor membership - see rules[/i]
All colors (black, red, silver) are available right now, but blue is sold out again...should be more of those in about 2 weeks.
All colors (black, red, silver) are available right now, but blue is sold out again...should be more of those in about 2 weeks.
| FTD | 09-28-2005 05:47 PM |
Dave at Solo Performance has the new Schroth quick fit harnesses also.
[url]www.soloperformance.com[/url]
It's a nice setup!
[url]www.soloperformance.com[/url]
It's a nice setup!
| shemoves | 09-28-2005 06:00 PM |
I have the Schroth Quick Fit Harnesses for my STi. I am really impressed with them. Once you have the two extra mounts installed (not too difficult, uses factory points, requires no modification), they can be taken in and out of the car in about, oh, a minute. A benefit is that they are also very safe as they have ASM technology. They are built top quality and look really nice. My only complaint is, being that they use the rear seat mounting locations, If I REALLY tighten the shoulder straps it compresses my spine a bit. I would imagine that being a function of the mounting location and not the belts though.
| jcroy66 | 10-01-2005 03:38 PM |
Since it appears Brett isn't allowed to post his own link, I'll post it for him. ;)
He sells the Schroth Rallye 4 Quick Fit Harnesses for the WRX and STi: [url="http://www.soloracer.com/wrxstirallye4.html"]http://www.soloracer.com/wrxstirallye4.html[/url]
Brett at SoloRacer.com is a great guy, we've bought lots of stuff from him over the years. For those that have seen [url="http://www.wowway.com/~pcroy8059/2005atlantapro/CarAllDeckedOut.jpg"]our car[/url], our helmets, harnesses, and race seats all came from Brett. Our harnesses are currently just the normal Schroth Rallye 4s. But I think I might pick up the Quick-Fit ones for next season. Seems like a neat idea, especially since we often have co-drivers who prefer to use the stock belts.
He sells the Schroth Rallye 4 Quick Fit Harnesses for the WRX and STi: [url="http://www.soloracer.com/wrxstirallye4.html"]http://www.soloracer.com/wrxstirallye4.html[/url]
Brett at SoloRacer.com is a great guy, we've bought lots of stuff from him over the years. For those that have seen [url="http://www.wowway.com/~pcroy8059/2005atlantapro/CarAllDeckedOut.jpg"]our car[/url], our helmets, harnesses, and race seats all came from Brett. Our harnesses are currently just the normal Schroth Rallye 4s. But I think I might pick up the Quick-Fit ones for next season. Seems like a neat idea, especially since we often have co-drivers who prefer to use the stock belts.
| anthonyrb98 | 02-27-2006 04:22 PM |
do they take paypal?
| BIGSKYWRX | 02-27-2006 09:39 PM |
Just an update I got mine installed this weekend- 45 minutes- I documeted everything in a tutorial it should be up at scoobymods- if not in the tutorial section at clubwrx.net.
Literally a one minute clip in or clip out- this is a nice setup :)
Literally a one minute clip in or clip out- this is a nice setup :)
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