| HellBinder | 01-05-2007 09:58 PM |
Roll cages- any tips or advice.
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ive got a RHD 94 Legacy wagon.
As soon as its done, (before the title and licnsing) me and a friend with a tube bender are going to put a small cage together.
Probably 6pnt at most, but anyone with cool pictures or a good site that i could reference to would be appriciated.
However, i do like the large cargo area in the rear, so i think the cage will be more for driver and passenger protection, more than chassis stiffness.
[Edited Version]
ive got a RHD 94 Legacy wagon.
As soon as its done, (before the title and licnsing) Me and a friend where thinking about putting a cage in it, but i wanted to check with all you guys and girls before i did it because i didnt know if it was the cool real racer thing to do or not, i would love everyones oppinions on how i should build my car. I couldnt get a good answer at Any Honda threads. I'll probably use peices of old swingsets and bolt them together and wrap colored electrical tape around them that matches the color of all the silicone hose i have on my engine, is this a bad idea? In addition to my H8COPS license plate will it attract too much attention from police?
I enjoy the large cargo space in the rear for hauling all my winnipeg Jets memorabilia and the occasional hooker.
Please, if "you" think this is a bad idea, jack my thread, and post several times about how stupid i must be. Thanks
Thats better, thats how the thread should have started.
As soon as its done, (before the title and licnsing) me and a friend with a tube bender are going to put a small cage together.
Probably 6pnt at most, but anyone with cool pictures or a good site that i could reference to would be appriciated.
However, i do like the large cargo area in the rear, so i think the cage will be more for driver and passenger protection, more than chassis stiffness.
[Edited Version]
ive got a RHD 94 Legacy wagon.
As soon as its done, (before the title and licnsing) Me and a friend where thinking about putting a cage in it, but i wanted to check with all you guys and girls before i did it because i didnt know if it was the cool real racer thing to do or not, i would love everyones oppinions on how i should build my car. I couldnt get a good answer at Any Honda threads. I'll probably use peices of old swingsets and bolt them together and wrap colored electrical tape around them that matches the color of all the silicone hose i have on my engine, is this a bad idea? In addition to my H8COPS license plate will it attract too much attention from police?
I enjoy the large cargo space in the rear for hauling all my winnipeg Jets memorabilia and the occasional hooker.
Please, if "you" think this is a bad idea, jack my thread, and post several times about how stupid i must be. Thanks
Thats better, thats how the thread should have started.
| Subie Gal | 01-05-2007 10:32 PM |
um....
what kind of cage?
poser? or real motorsport?
what's it for?
what kind of cage?
poser? or real motorsport?
what's it for?
| dibblejr | 01-05-2007 11:44 PM |
Roll cage is dangerous in a daily driven suby. It feels real nice when you smack your head or passengers heads on them (no matter how much padding you use).
If your car is not dedicated to sanctioned events best to be without it.
IMHO
Jay-R
If your car is not dedicated to sanctioned events best to be without it.
IMHO
Jay-R
| caesar | 01-06-2007 12:22 AM |
[QUOTE=dibblejr;16558396]Roll cage is dangerous in a daily driven suby. It feels real nice when you smack your head or passengers heads on them (no matter how much padding you use).
If your car is not dedicated to sanctioned events best to be without it.
IMHO
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
Exactly!!!
If your car is not dedicated to sanctioned events best to be without it.
IMHO
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
Exactly!!!
| Russell Rogers | 01-06-2007 01:50 AM |
^^^^^^He isn't asking for your opinion he is asking how.... And at Least Jamie asked some important questions to actually help him out....
| dibblejr | 01-06-2007 07:17 AM |
And you contributed what to his question? Absolutely nothing. Whenever anyone posts anything on the net they will get possitive and negative comments.
Also with Jamie being a sanctioned racer she will probably appreciate my cautionary advice, which is all true and propper.
I am sure once Jamies questions were answered she would give the op the same sound advice.
Jay-R
[QUOTE=Russell Rogers;16559389]^^^^^^He isn't asking for your opinion he is asking how.... And at Least Jamie asked some important questions to actually help him out....[/QUOTE]
Also with Jamie being a sanctioned racer she will probably appreciate my cautionary advice, which is all true and propper.
I am sure once Jamies questions were answered she would give the op the same sound advice.
Jay-R
[QUOTE=Russell Rogers;16559389]^^^^^^He isn't asking for your opinion he is asking how.... And at Least Jamie asked some important questions to actually help him out....[/QUOTE]
| X-Factor | 01-06-2007 08:56 AM |
Enough. Post helpfulness or GTFO. This is turning quickly to a flame-fest and there is no need for it.
| dibblejr | 01-06-2007 09:11 AM |
Take your own advice and GTFO.
[QUOTE=X-Factor;16560691]Enough. Post helpfulness or GTFO. This is turning quickly to a flame-fest and there is no need for it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=X-Factor;16560691]Enough. Post helpfulness or GTFO. This is turning quickly to a flame-fest and there is no need for it.[/QUOTE]
| El Capitan | 01-06-2007 10:09 AM |
I can't speak to the safety of it realy, I'm not a engineer or a pro racer, but from a practical "everyday joe" who needs to keep some daily driver usability point of view...
I've see some guys show up to auto-Xs with bolt in cages (not that they needed them for auto-X, I think they just liked rocking cages) and the ones that look like they picked up in the right spots and have the cross bracing, make the back seat look like it would be useless. Basically it turns a 4 door into a coupe for all intents and purposes. For me as a Dad, that wouldn't work.
I think if you go with a poser (for show) cage you can get one that still keeps the back seat usable. I wouldn't want to go flying off the road and into any tree tops with it though (not that I'd want to do that even with a realy good cage either)
my $.02
I've see some guys show up to auto-Xs with bolt in cages (not that they needed them for auto-X, I think they just liked rocking cages) and the ones that look like they picked up in the right spots and have the cross bracing, make the back seat look like it would be useless. Basically it turns a 4 door into a coupe for all intents and purposes. For me as a Dad, that wouldn't work.
I think if you go with a poser (for show) cage you can get one that still keeps the back seat usable. I wouldn't want to go flying off the road and into any tree tops with it though (not that I'd want to do that even with a realy good cage either)
my $.02
| HellBinder | 01-06-2007 02:02 PM |
Completely welded in, steel, The guy helping me do it builds tubular toyota and jeep frames. More for driver peice of mind, ive got 3 daily drivers so comfort is not an issue. I like driving to Alaska every once in awhile so i might add an extra fuel cell and it would be nice to have a safe place for it also a good place to mount a harness. No sanctioned events for me.
Im one of those "be prepared drivers." So ive always got a tool box, jumper cables, rope, broom, shovel, multi-meter, full size spare, and 12v air compressor. So i do like the functionability of a wagon.
Some demo derby cars ive seen have like a 3 pnt cages that is just a half loop behind the driver, with one forward bar going across the drivers door down at like 45deg to the drivers feet and tieing into the firewall.
Im one of those "be prepared drivers." So ive always got a tool box, jumper cables, rope, broom, shovel, multi-meter, full size spare, and 12v air compressor. So i do like the functionability of a wagon.
Some demo derby cars ive seen have like a 3 pnt cages that is just a half loop behind the driver, with one forward bar going across the drivers door down at like 45deg to the drivers feet and tieing into the firewall.
| HellBinder | 01-06-2007 02:12 PM |
Oppinions are good, first hand advice is best.
| PeteDucati | 01-06-2007 04:56 PM |
[QUOTE=dibblejr;16558396]Roll cage is dangerous in a daily driven suby. It feels real nice when you smack your head or passengers heads on them (no matter how much padding you use).
If your car is not dedicated to sanctioned events best to be without it.
IMHO
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
Basically if you're not strapped in with a harness you'll get some pretty neat bruises in an accident - along with multiple black and blues getting in and out of the car?
If your car is not dedicated to sanctioned events best to be without it.
IMHO
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
Basically if you're not strapped in with a harness you'll get some pretty neat bruises in an accident - along with multiple black and blues getting in and out of the car?
| scoobyless | 01-06-2007 05:31 PM |
How about looking into a roll bar rather than a roll cage. This would give you some increased level of safety in a roll over while being able to make a safe place for a fuel cell and the ability to keep it far enough behind/away from the front seats to keep it from being a safety hazard. Just a thought.
Like everyone said above, there's no reason to have a roll cage in a street car simply because it's unsafe and unpractical, sort of defeats the purpose of trying to make a car safer.
Just my $.02
Like everyone said above, there's no reason to have a roll cage in a street car simply because it's unsafe and unpractical, sort of defeats the purpose of trying to make a car safer.
Just my $.02
| kaspur_eh | 01-06-2007 05:38 PM |
It's only unsafe if you had bars running next to your head. You can still have something like this rollbar.
[IMG]http://safedrives.com/prodimages/sw/8point_sm.gif[/IMG]
You get door bars and rollover protection, without the potential hazards of a full on cage. I plan on something like this in the future perhaps.
[IMG]http://safedrives.com/prodimages/sw/8point_sm.gif[/IMG]
You get door bars and rollover protection, without the potential hazards of a full on cage. I plan on something like this in the future perhaps.
| HellBinder | 01-06-2007 08:53 PM |
Kaspur_eh- I like that one.
I still dont belive that a cage could be unsafe on a street car. Personally i have never been in a roll over, but i have hit several animals, cars, tree's and jumps, on and off road. Each time i'd imagine my ass puckingless with a 2in steel cage around me. Granted the inhearnt dangers of trying to look over your shoulder to merge when strapped in with a harness.
I would much rather bounce my head off of a padded roll bar then kiss a dodge pickup bumper through my passenger window.
And as much as i would like to consider myself a responsable person and safe driver, i go through atlast one car a year, so im expecting my new subaru to be on its top atleast once. But thats why i bough an old one, to beat up on.
Ive been in the auto salvage industry for the last 2 years and ive seen almost every possable wreck scenario that could happen, and the ones with the most blood are always hit right above the winshield on the roof.
I still dont belive that a cage could be unsafe on a street car. Personally i have never been in a roll over, but i have hit several animals, cars, tree's and jumps, on and off road. Each time i'd imagine my ass puckingless with a 2in steel cage around me. Granted the inhearnt dangers of trying to look over your shoulder to merge when strapped in with a harness.
I would much rather bounce my head off of a padded roll bar then kiss a dodge pickup bumper through my passenger window.
And as much as i would like to consider myself a responsable person and safe driver, i go through atlast one car a year, so im expecting my new subaru to be on its top atleast once. But thats why i bough an old one, to beat up on.
Ive been in the auto salvage industry for the last 2 years and ive seen almost every possable wreck scenario that could happen, and the ones with the most blood are always hit right above the winshield on the roof.
| HellBinder | 01-06-2007 08:54 PM |
car vs train is also a messy one, but rare.
| dibblejr | 01-06-2007 10:24 PM |
It s your $ do what you want with it. I imagine after smacking your head, climbing over the supports, having less space than you need and being profiled by law enforcement you will realize that the cage is actually not worth the headaches.
A bolt in roll cage will offer little or no extra protection from a major collission. Only one that is incorporated to the chassis of the car would actually provide full benefit.
I had a cage in one of my street cars in Japan, a true cage for rally, I ended up taking the car off the daily driven status because of all the headaches, so I am giving you first hand advice.
Good luck.
Jay-R
A bolt in roll cage will offer little or no extra protection from a major collission. Only one that is incorporated to the chassis of the car would actually provide full benefit.
I had a cage in one of my street cars in Japan, a true cage for rally, I ended up taking the car off the daily driven status because of all the headaches, so I am giving you first hand advice.
Good luck.
Jay-R
| HellBinder | 01-07-2007 10:17 AM |
I spent acouple hours in my shop lastnight with a tape measure and a 20in strait edge. The way the wagon is designed, it looks like its gonna be a modified version of the thing kaspur put up, oh and thanks to everyone else for adding more floating debris to the internet.
| MikalsWRX | 01-07-2007 12:19 PM |
I had a roll-bar in my other daily driver. One thing I really noticed about it, was that it straightened up the car. Made the car feel more stable and rigid. If that makes any sense.
| Uncle Scotty | 01-07-2007 12:25 PM |
....one more thing.......
[COLOR="Black"]In [U]some[/U] areas[/COLOR]....if the pigs pull ya and the car has any sort of a cage......prepare your rectum for their pleasure unless it is a PURE show car, I have seen pigs REALLY go nuts with a car with a caged car on the street.....
...oh yeah.....ANY RHD car is gonna get a LOT of attention from the pigs wherever it is driven
[COLOR="Black"]In [U]some[/U] areas[/COLOR]....if the pigs pull ya and the car has any sort of a cage......prepare your rectum for their pleasure unless it is a PURE show car, I have seen pigs REALLY go nuts with a car with a caged car on the street.....
...oh yeah.....ANY RHD car is gonna get a LOT of attention from the pigs wherever it is driven
| dibblejr | 01-07-2007 12:36 PM |
Another well put statement from someone else who knows.
Jay-R
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty;16570352]....one more thing.......
[COLOR="Black"]In [U]some[/U] areas[/COLOR]....if the pigs pull ya and the car has any sort of a cage......prepare your rectum for their pleasure unless it is a PURE show car, I have seen pigs REALLY go nuts with a car with a caged car on the street.....
...oh yeah.....ANY RHD car is gonna get a LOT of attention from the pigs wherever it is driven[/QUOTE]
Jay-R
[QUOTE=Uncle Scotty;16570352]....one more thing.......
[COLOR="Black"]In [U]some[/U] areas[/COLOR]....if the pigs pull ya and the car has any sort of a cage......prepare your rectum for their pleasure unless it is a PURE show car, I have seen pigs REALLY go nuts with a car with a caged car on the street.....
...oh yeah.....ANY RHD car is gonna get a LOT of attention from the pigs wherever it is driven[/QUOTE]
| Hondaslayer | 01-07-2007 12:39 PM |
[QUOTE=dibblejr;16570421]Another well put statement from someone else who knows.
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
Basically it sounds like the OP wants a cage in the car and could care less what people with more experience than him say.
+1 for not putting a cage in a street driven car.
You can add me to the list of people that have "been there, done that" (70 Nova)
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
Basically it sounds like the OP wants a cage in the car and could care less what people with more experience than him say.
+1 for not putting a cage in a street driven car.
You can add me to the list of people that have "been there, done that" (70 Nova)
| dibblejr | 01-07-2007 12:42 PM |
Yeah, I guess he thought he would get a lot of attention by posting here about a useless/ dangerous street mod.
He will probably get a lot of attention from the police.
Its all only constructive critisism which I dont believe he will follow.
His mind was made up prior to the post.
Jay-R
[QUOTE=hondaslayer;16570448]Basically it sounds like the OP wants a cage in the car and could care less what people with more experience than him say.
+1 for not putting a cage in a street driven car.
You can add me to the list of people that have "been there, done that" (70 Nova)[/QUOTE]
He will probably get a lot of attention from the police.
Its all only constructive critisism which I dont believe he will follow.
His mind was made up prior to the post.
Jay-R
[QUOTE=hondaslayer;16570448]Basically it sounds like the OP wants a cage in the car and could care less what people with more experience than him say.
+1 for not putting a cage in a street driven car.
You can add me to the list of people that have "been there, done that" (70 Nova)[/QUOTE]
| Hondaslayer | 01-07-2007 12:50 PM |
Also, why is this in interior/exterior modification and care? It belongs in Motorsports.
| blue blurr | 01-07-2007 01:21 PM |
Are cops really that bad in some of your areas?? I always get waved at and such :-/
| MikalsWRX | 01-07-2007 01:45 PM |
[QUOTE=blue blurr;16570777]Are cops really that bad in some of your areas?? I always get waved at and such :-/[/QUOTE]
Depends on the cops and area. When I lived in upstate NY, I had a car with, Rollbar, NOS, seats, harness, paint. It was a full car show. Always got pulled over but the cops got to know me. So they started waiving after a while.:D Moved to Florida. A whole different scene, lots of street racing here. Too many deaths resulting in them. So any car that looks like its been modified, even if you just have rims. You're likely to get pulled over. Lucky for me I have a wagon, and that usually helps me out:lol:
Depends on the cops and area. When I lived in upstate NY, I had a car with, Rollbar, NOS, seats, harness, paint. It was a full car show. Always got pulled over but the cops got to know me. So they started waiving after a while.:D Moved to Florida. A whole different scene, lots of street racing here. Too many deaths resulting in them. So any car that looks like its been modified, even if you just have rims. You're likely to get pulled over. Lucky for me I have a wagon, and that usually helps me out:lol:
| blue blurr | 01-07-2007 04:51 PM |
ah yeah, we dont have a big street racing thing going around here. I drive my fully spec'd Spec Miata on the street all the time and so far no one has said anything, given it still has Cali plates.
| dibblejr | 01-07-2007 04:57 PM |
Up here almost the farthest Northern, NY you can get (13 miles to Canada) the local Sheriff waved at me everyday for three years and finally decided to pull me over for my exhaust.
I beat the ticket in court, but it just goes to show that even if they wave they will still try to burn you.
In over 25 years of driving that was my first ticket of any kind.
Jay-R
I beat the ticket in court, but it just goes to show that even if they wave they will still try to burn you.
In over 25 years of driving that was my first ticket of any kind.
Jay-R
| HellBinder | 01-07-2007 07:20 PM |
[quote=HellBinder;16557487]ive got a RHD 94 Legacy wagon.
As soon as its done, (before the title and licnsing) me and a friend with a tube bender are going to put a small cage together.
Probably 6pnt at most, but anyone with cool pictures or a good site that i could reference to would be appriciated.
However, i do like the large cargo area in the rear, so i think the cage will be more for driver and passenger protection, more than chassis stiffness.[/quote]
Well, i went back and re-read the post that started this thread and it seems to be missing anything related to most of the responses, so (EDIT)
This thread was not about IF i should put in a cage, but the best way to go about bulidng it. It should have been obvious that i had made my mind up to put in a cage before i posted this thread, b/c i do not need people telling me what mods I should or shouldnt do to MY car. Oppinions are not constructive critisizm, constructive critisizm would be something like;
"You shouldnt put any bars passing close to the drivers or passengers heads b/c you bump into them frequently."
"Ive seen cages collapes around people in wrecks, so go all out, no half assing it."
"Cages arent illegal in street cars but police use them as a reason to check your **** out."
"ive got a cage in my Honda!"(j/k)
"dont use chromolybendium because you would have to bolt the cage in, you cant weld dissimilar metals."
"Follow the contour of the roof and just bring the cage down the A and B pillars, with two running back to the floor. that could optimize your space."
"Its worth it to pay a professional, cages are harder to build than it would seem."
I dont mean disrespect to anyone that has posted in this thread, your experience is undoubtedly valuable, but dont waste the space posting something that is not valid to the topic; Advice on building a cage that would meet my previously stated goals.
As soon as its done, (before the title and licnsing) me and a friend with a tube bender are going to put a small cage together.
Probably 6pnt at most, but anyone with cool pictures or a good site that i could reference to would be appriciated.
However, i do like the large cargo area in the rear, so i think the cage will be more for driver and passenger protection, more than chassis stiffness.[/quote]
Well, i went back and re-read the post that started this thread and it seems to be missing anything related to most of the responses, so (EDIT)
This thread was not about IF i should put in a cage, but the best way to go about bulidng it. It should have been obvious that i had made my mind up to put in a cage before i posted this thread, b/c i do not need people telling me what mods I should or shouldnt do to MY car. Oppinions are not constructive critisizm, constructive critisizm would be something like;
"You shouldnt put any bars passing close to the drivers or passengers heads b/c you bump into them frequently."
"Ive seen cages collapes around people in wrecks, so go all out, no half assing it."
"Cages arent illegal in street cars but police use them as a reason to check your **** out."
"ive got a cage in my Honda!"(j/k)
"dont use chromolybendium because you would have to bolt the cage in, you cant weld dissimilar metals."
"Follow the contour of the roof and just bring the cage down the A and B pillars, with two running back to the floor. that could optimize your space."
"Its worth it to pay a professional, cages are harder to build than it would seem."
I dont mean disrespect to anyone that has posted in this thread, your experience is undoubtedly valuable, but dont waste the space posting something that is not valid to the topic; Advice on building a cage that would meet my previously stated goals.
| HellBinder | 01-07-2007 08:48 PM |
i have requested this thread be deleted by the admin.
| dibblejr | 01-07-2007 09:36 PM |
Couldnt stand the constructive critisim, I highly doubt the mod gods will remove this over your snivelling.
Just a few of us giving you first hand knowledge, what did you think would happen when you posted on the site?
Your lucky you didnt get flamed.
Jay-R
Just a few of us giving you first hand knowledge, what did you think would happen when you posted on the site?
Your lucky you didnt get flamed.
Jay-R
| jeffsnyder | 01-07-2007 09:52 PM |
[QUOTE=dibblejr;16574852]Couldnt stand the constructive critisim, I highly doubt the mod gods will remove this over your snivelling.
Just a few of us giving you first hand knowledge, what did you think would happen when you posted on the site?
Your lucky you didnt get flamed.
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
oh shut up will u. u blew alot of threads out of porpotion. especially with the subaru crash typo that u were goin to get those military personal in trouble for.
god no wounder y i don't visit the forums that often. its ppl like u that have their heads up there ass and think that ur the god of everything.
Jeff
PS don't u have anything better to be doin w. ur time except being on here and posting 75% of the day and having 6+ post a day average.
Just a few of us giving you first hand knowledge, what did you think would happen when you posted on the site?
Your lucky you didnt get flamed.
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
oh shut up will u. u blew alot of threads out of porpotion. especially with the subaru crash typo that u were goin to get those military personal in trouble for.
god no wounder y i don't visit the forums that often. its ppl like u that have their heads up there ass and think that ur the god of everything.
Jeff
PS don't u have anything better to be doin w. ur time except being on here and posting 75% of the day and having 6+ post a day average.
| Hondaslayer | 01-07-2007 10:05 PM |
[QUOTE=jeffsnyder;16575054]oh shut up will u. u blew alot of threads out of porpotion. especially with the subaru crash typo that u were goin to get those military personal in trouble for.
god no wounder y i don't visit the forums that often. its ppl like u that have their heads up there ass and think that ur the god of everything.
Jeff
PS don't u have anything better to be doin w. ur time except being on here and posting 75% of the day and having 6+ post a day average.[/QUOTE]
:confused:
IBTL
god no wounder y i don't visit the forums that often. its ppl like u that have their heads up there ass and think that ur the god of everything.
Jeff
PS don't u have anything better to be doin w. ur time except being on here and posting 75% of the day and having 6+ post a day average.[/QUOTE]
:confused:
IBTL
| dibblejr | 01-07-2007 10:06 PM |
Who asked you? Seems like you have a little problem. Self asteem low?
What else would an injurred soldier do with his time? So I guess no I dont have anything better to do with my time then try to help people.
The boards need more people like me that try to help members out. Whens the last time you made a useful post?
Why dont you go sell more parts, thats your favorite place, probably all hot.
Sorry you are a tri-state member, maybe you should move over to a Honda forum.
How about yourself, dont like it stay to hell out.
Jay-R
[QUOTE=jeffsnyder;16575054]oh shut up will u. u blew alot of threads out of porpotion. especially with the subaru crash typo that u were goin to get those military personal in trouble for.
god no wounder y i don't visit the forums that often. its ppl like u that have their heads up there ass and think that ur the god of everything.
Jeff
PS don't u have anything better to be doin w. ur time except being on here and posting 75% of the day and having 6+ post a day average.[/QUOTE]
What else would an injurred soldier do with his time? So I guess no I dont have anything better to do with my time then try to help people.
The boards need more people like me that try to help members out. Whens the last time you made a useful post?
Why dont you go sell more parts, thats your favorite place, probably all hot.
Sorry you are a tri-state member, maybe you should move over to a Honda forum.
How about yourself, dont like it stay to hell out.
Jay-R
[QUOTE=jeffsnyder;16575054]oh shut up will u. u blew alot of threads out of porpotion. especially with the subaru crash typo that u were goin to get those military personal in trouble for.
god no wounder y i don't visit the forums that often. its ppl like u that have their heads up there ass and think that ur the god of everything.
Jeff
PS don't u have anything better to be doin w. ur time except being on here and posting 75% of the day and having 6+ post a day average.[/QUOTE]
| Russell Rogers | 01-08-2007 12:17 AM |
^^^^^ umm Yeah hmm I side with the other guy:lol: :lol:You are too into this....
I say if you want a cage do it. But consult a cage builder first... I wouldn't go after a project that could potentially ruin the car or your life without the advice of a cage builder....
I say if you want a cage do it. But consult a cage builder first... I wouldn't go after a project that could potentially ruin the car or your life without the advice of a cage builder....
| HellBinder | 01-08-2007 12:37 AM |
dibblejr-There is validity to your constant posting out of bordom, but so far you have contributed nothing to this thread but insesently trying to prove your own oppinion. Which is not what this thread was about, as stated 3 times prior to this post. Please dont post unless you have something to say about building a cage.
If you have any pic's of any of your cages or a detailed discription of what would work best, or maybe a design to avoid, feel free to share.
Russ-Thanks, i guess i should have a sit down with my guy before i solidify what i think it should be. But i'm not worried about ruining it, its just a car, its the driving part i like.
If you have any pic's of any of your cages or a detailed discription of what would work best, or maybe a design to avoid, feel free to share.
Russ-Thanks, i guess i should have a sit down with my guy before i solidify what i think it should be. But i'm not worried about ruining it, its just a car, its the driving part i like.
| Kean | 01-08-2007 01:06 AM |
...the following thread may be of help. It turned into a flame-fest but there was still a lot of good advice by folks who know what they are talking about:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12533885&highlight=roll+cage+builder#post12533885[/url]
However, be warned that some of the points made are the same as what has already been mentioned here. Either way, I think there are still some nice pics and descriptions of what you might want (or not want) to incorporate into your design.
...on a personal note, I think something like a cage design/installation is better left to the professionals and unwise for a street application (unless you plan on installing/using proper racing seats, restraints, safety helmet, etc.). ....no offense.
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12533885&highlight=roll+cage+builder#post12533885[/url]
However, be warned that some of the points made are the same as what has already been mentioned here. Either way, I think there are still some nice pics and descriptions of what you might want (or not want) to incorporate into your design.
...on a personal note, I think something like a cage design/installation is better left to the professionals and unwise for a street application (unless you plan on installing/using proper racing seats, restraints, safety helmet, etc.). ....no offense.
| HellBinder | 01-08-2007 01:53 AM |
Wow, i just read the whole thread, alot of good information. Enough to make me think again about putting a cage in. My concern for saftey is still there, I guess i'll search around and see if their is anytype of compromise.
thanks again
thanks again
| dibblejr | 01-08-2007 06:21 AM |
Glad you found the other thread, now you can see that what I said about not getting flamed a long time ago.
I didnt tell you not to do it I was only giving you safety advice from first hand knowledge.
In the long run like I said before, you are going to do what you are going to do, its your $ and safety.
Since I care about what happens to others I am done with your thread since you dont.
Good luck to you.
Jay-R
[QUOTE=HellBinder;16577372]Wow, i just read the whole thread, alot of good information. Enough to make me think again about putting a cage in. My concern for saftey is still there, I guess i'll search around and see if their is anytype of compromise.
thanks again[/QUOTE]
I didnt tell you not to do it I was only giving you safety advice from first hand knowledge.
In the long run like I said before, you are going to do what you are going to do, its your $ and safety.
Since I care about what happens to others I am done with your thread since you dont.
Good luck to you.
Jay-R
[QUOTE=HellBinder;16577372]Wow, i just read the whole thread, alot of good information. Enough to make me think again about putting a cage in. My concern for saftey is still there, I guess i'll search around and see if their is anytype of compromise.
thanks again[/QUOTE]
| hkswrxwagon | 01-08-2007 07:13 AM |
Hellbinder you have a pm.
| jeffsnyder | 01-08-2007 03:06 PM |
[QUOTE=dibblejr;16575227]Who asked you? Seems like you have a little problem. Self asteem low?
What else would an injurred soldier do with his time? So I guess no I dont have anything better to do with my time then try to help people.
The boards need more people like me that try to help members out. Whens the last time you made a useful post?
Why dont you go sell more parts, thats your favorite place, probably all hot.
Sorry you are a tri-state member, maybe you should move over to a Honda forum.
How about yourself, dont like it stay to hell out.
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
wow talk about a retard. u probably don't even know y this board is here, who were the two original owners were, why they split up. oh wait u wouldn't know becuase u started off with a wrx instead of a impreza L or RS back in the 90's.
i've been driving subaru for the past 11 years of driving. thats all i've owned. from a 86 gl-10 to a 06 wrx. maybe ur the one that has honda envey and needs to go back under the rock u call home
if ur injured (or ur term injurred :lol: ) then shoudn't u be doing something more useful. u know maybe recovering, because w. me paying taxes i'm paying for ur uselessness being here, posting and modding ur car. maybe ur just afriad of being there and claimed some stupid mental problem and wanted to come home. when in real time theres nothing wrong w. u
to sum it up if a person has already been given an answer on the thread or u what do post as show off how much of an asshat u r (like the honda owner u use to be) please skip the post.
Jeff
PS i don't sell parts or steal parts like u probably do
What else would an injurred soldier do with his time? So I guess no I dont have anything better to do with my time then try to help people.
The boards need more people like me that try to help members out. Whens the last time you made a useful post?
Why dont you go sell more parts, thats your favorite place, probably all hot.
Sorry you are a tri-state member, maybe you should move over to a Honda forum.
How about yourself, dont like it stay to hell out.
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
wow talk about a retard. u probably don't even know y this board is here, who were the two original owners were, why they split up. oh wait u wouldn't know becuase u started off with a wrx instead of a impreza L or RS back in the 90's.
i've been driving subaru for the past 11 years of driving. thats all i've owned. from a 86 gl-10 to a 06 wrx. maybe ur the one that has honda envey and needs to go back under the rock u call home
if ur injured (or ur term injurred :lol: ) then shoudn't u be doing something more useful. u know maybe recovering, because w. me paying taxes i'm paying for ur uselessness being here, posting and modding ur car. maybe ur just afriad of being there and claimed some stupid mental problem and wanted to come home. when in real time theres nothing wrong w. u
to sum it up if a person has already been given an answer on the thread or u what do post as show off how much of an asshat u r (like the honda owner u use to be) please skip the post.
Jeff
PS i don't sell parts or steal parts like u probably do
| dibblejr | 01-08-2007 04:50 PM |
Dude,
Since you want to go there....
You know I just deleted an entire paragraph of shiot I was going to post, but I am not going to stoop as low as you.
I will just say "son you need to grow up" I have served this nation for 24 years and 3 conflicts, what have you done.
Even with a messed up body and walking with a cane I am a much better man then you will ever be.
Jay-R
[QUOTE=jeffsnyder;16583607]wow talk about a retard. u probably don't even know y this board is here, who were the two original owners were, why they split up. oh wait u wouldn't know becuase u started off with a wrx instead of a impreza L or RS back in the 90's.
i've been driving subaru for the past 11 years of driving. thats all i've owned. from a 86 gl-10 to a 06 wrx. maybe ur the one that has honda envey and needs to go back under the rock u call home
if ur injured (or ur term injurred :lol: ) then shoudn't u be doing something more useful. u know maybe recovering, because w. me paying taxes i'm paying for ur uselessness being here, posting and modding ur car. maybe ur just afriad of being there and claimed some stupid mental problem and wanted to come home. when in real time theres nothing wrong w. u
to sum it up if a person has already been given an answer on the thread or u what do post as show off how much of an asshat u r (like the honda owner u use to be) please skip the post.
Jeff
PS i don't sell parts or steal parts like u probably do[/QUOTE]
Since you want to go there....
You know I just deleted an entire paragraph of shiot I was going to post, but I am not going to stoop as low as you.
I will just say "son you need to grow up" I have served this nation for 24 years and 3 conflicts, what have you done.
Even with a messed up body and walking with a cane I am a much better man then you will ever be.
Jay-R
[QUOTE=jeffsnyder;16583607]wow talk about a retard. u probably don't even know y this board is here, who were the two original owners were, why they split up. oh wait u wouldn't know becuase u started off with a wrx instead of a impreza L or RS back in the 90's.
i've been driving subaru for the past 11 years of driving. thats all i've owned. from a 86 gl-10 to a 06 wrx. maybe ur the one that has honda envey and needs to go back under the rock u call home
if ur injured (or ur term injurred :lol: ) then shoudn't u be doing something more useful. u know maybe recovering, because w. me paying taxes i'm paying for ur uselessness being here, posting and modding ur car. maybe ur just afriad of being there and claimed some stupid mental problem and wanted to come home. when in real time theres nothing wrong w. u
to sum it up if a person has already been given an answer on the thread or u what do post as show off how much of an asshat u r (like the honda owner u use to be) please skip the post.
Jeff
PS i don't sell parts or steal parts like u probably do[/QUOTE]
| Hondaslayer | 01-08-2007 04:55 PM |
[QUOTE=dibblejr;16585275]Dude,
Since you want to go there....
You know I just deleted an entire paragraph of shiot I was going to post, but I am not going to stoop as low as you.
I will just say "son you need to grow up" I have served this nation for 24 years and 3 conflicts, what have you done.
Even with a messed up body and walking with a cane I am a much better man then you will ever be.
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
:cool: :cool:
Since you want to go there....
You know I just deleted an entire paragraph of shiot I was going to post, but I am not going to stoop as low as you.
I will just say "son you need to grow up" I have served this nation for 24 years and 3 conflicts, what have you done.
Even with a messed up body and walking with a cane I am a much better man then you will ever be.
Jay-R[/QUOTE]
:cool: :cool:
| Kean | 01-08-2007 05:17 PM |
[QUOTE=jeffsnyder;16583607]if ur injured (or ur term injurred :lol: ) then shoudn't u be doing something more useful. u know maybe recovering, because w. me paying taxes i'm paying for ur uselessness being here, posting and modding ur car. maybe ur just afriad of being there and claimed some stupid mental problem and wanted to come home. when in real time theres nothing wrong w. u[/QUOTE] ........not cool or the least bit funny kid.
| HellBinder | 01-08-2007 10:34 PM |
I Just got in acouple movie cars at work, from DieHard 4, GTO's and an impala, i've got to take afew more snaps with my cell tommarow (not really suppost to), but you guys really need to see the type of shoddy work went into cages that pro stunt men crash. ****! its scary. This cage is actually broken clean off from the weld on the left B pillar by the drivers head.
[IMG]http://i18.tinypic.com/49abmnl.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i18.tinypic.com/49abmnl.jpg[/IMG]
| Counterfit | 01-09-2007 11:38 AM |
[QUOTE=jeffsnyder;16583607]wow talk about a retard. u probably don't even know y this board is here, who were the two original owners were, why they split up. oh wait u wouldn't know becuase u started off with a wrx instead of a impreza L or RS back in the 90's.
i've been driving subaru for the past 11 years of driving. thats all i've owned. from a 86 gl-10 to a 06 wrx. maybe ur the one that has honda envey and needs to go back under the rock u call home
if ur injured (or ur term injurred :lol: ) then shoudn't u be doing something more useful. u know maybe recovering, because w. me paying taxes i'm paying for ur uselessness being here, posting and modding ur car. maybe ur just afriad of being there and claimed some stupid mental problem and wanted to come home. when in real time theres nothing wrong w. u
to sum it up if a person has already been given an answer on the thread or u what do post as show off how much of an asshat u r (like the honda owner u use to be) please skip the post.
Jeff
PS i don't sell parts or steal parts like u probably do[/QUOTE]
The biggest douche in the universe isn't John Edward, it's you.
i've been driving subaru for the past 11 years of driving. thats all i've owned. from a 86 gl-10 to a 06 wrx. maybe ur the one that has honda envey and needs to go back under the rock u call home
if ur injured (or ur term injurred :lol: ) then shoudn't u be doing something more useful. u know maybe recovering, because w. me paying taxes i'm paying for ur uselessness being here, posting and modding ur car. maybe ur just afriad of being there and claimed some stupid mental problem and wanted to come home. when in real time theres nothing wrong w. u
to sum it up if a person has already been given an answer on the thread or u what do post as show off how much of an asshat u r (like the honda owner u use to be) please skip the post.
Jeff
PS i don't sell parts or steal parts like u probably do[/QUOTE]
The biggest douche in the universe isn't John Edward, it's you.
| HellBinder | 01-09-2007 10:38 PM |
Who's John Edward?
| Kean | 01-09-2007 11:19 PM |
[QUOTE=HellBinder;16604672]Who's John Edward?[/QUOTE] ....a psychic who allegedly can speak to the dead (he had a TV show). The joke was in reference to a South Park episode where they poked fun of him. ......it was pretty funny actually.
| wrxburton | 01-10-2007 12:47 PM |
I have a rhd 02 wrx and I have an autopower bolt in 4 point in it and It dont come close to my head at all and at NASA track days its manditory to have one in the car with a harness so it all depends on what you want to use the car for
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