| Bumsarama | 01-15-2004 12:00 PM |
SpeedTV Cutting WRC Coverage!
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Ok, so maybe they are not cutting coverage all together but they are reducing the WRC programs from two hours to just one measly [email�protected] hour! I already sent them some feedback about this and gave them a piece of my mind. This is pathetic and unacceptable. They have hours and hours of programming for those no talent rednecks from Nascar but the WRC gets the shaft. Having a 3-day rally event summarized in one little hour is uphauling. Let them know what you guys think and that they need to at least give it a two-hour block again. :furious:
| TimStevens | 01-15-2004 12:10 PM |
Link?
| TimStevens | 01-15-2004 12:14 PM |
Here's the schedule:
Monte Carlo Sun, Jan 25 9pm
Sweden Sun, Feb 8 9:30pm
Mexico Sun, Mar 14 9:30pm
New Zealand Sun, Apr 18 9:30pm
Cyprus Rally Sun, May 16 9:30pm
Acropolis Sun, Jun 6 9:30pm
Turkey Sun, Jun 27 9:30pm
Argentina Sun, Jul 18 9:30pm
Finland Sun, Aug 8 9:30pm
Germany Sun, Aug 22 9:30pm
Japan Sun, Sep 5 9:30pm
Wales Rally (Britain) Sun, Sep 19 9:30pm
Italy Sun, Oct 3 9:30pm
France (Corsica) Sun, Oct 17 9:30pm
Catalunya Sun, Oct 31 9:30pm
Australia Sun, Nov 14 9:30pm
Speculation is there will be a 30 minute intro to each rally (Rally XS) and then 1.5 hours of coverage. But, it's just speculation at this point.
Where did you see the 1 hour thing?
Monte Carlo Sun, Jan 25 9pm
Sweden Sun, Feb 8 9:30pm
Mexico Sun, Mar 14 9:30pm
New Zealand Sun, Apr 18 9:30pm
Cyprus Rally Sun, May 16 9:30pm
Acropolis Sun, Jun 6 9:30pm
Turkey Sun, Jun 27 9:30pm
Argentina Sun, Jul 18 9:30pm
Finland Sun, Aug 8 9:30pm
Germany Sun, Aug 22 9:30pm
Japan Sun, Sep 5 9:30pm
Wales Rally (Britain) Sun, Sep 19 9:30pm
Italy Sun, Oct 3 9:30pm
France (Corsica) Sun, Oct 17 9:30pm
Catalunya Sun, Oct 31 9:30pm
Australia Sun, Nov 14 9:30pm
Speculation is there will be a 30 minute intro to each rally (Rally XS) and then 1.5 hours of coverage. But, it's just speculation at this point.
Where did you see the 1 hour thing?
| datageek | 01-15-2004 12:29 PM |
I suspect this has less to do with SpeedTv, and more to do with the changes in the coverage for the UK. The changes are detailed here ( [url]http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/News/2004/001/2004_R_ITVBAGSUKTELEVISIONDEAL.htm[/url] ), but basically their coverage is cut down to a single one-hour summary of the event. Since they no longer produce the longer summary for the UK, I didn't think ISC would still make the longer coverage for the US market.
(It sounds insane to me to cut coverage in order to increase viewership. But from all I've heard, the UK fans are overwhelmingly in favor of the change, even though it means that they lose same-day coverage. Go figure.)
BTW, this is a new change. When I set my TiVo two days ago, the coverage was still scheduled for two hours. Again, this makes me think that the change came suddenly from ISC, rather than Speed. Which isn't to say that it doesn't suck (it does!), just that Speed might not be the best place to direct your letters.
Looking at Speed's schedule ( [url]http://www.speedtv.com/schedule/index.php?m=01&d=25&ts=1075006800&timezone=0&subcat=&program=&usecal=yes[/url] ), it looks like we'll get a half hour "Rally Magazine", followed by an hour and a half of coverage.
Besides, with the Mille Pistes recce system, there will only be half the rallying to cover anyway, so it's not like we'll be missing that much more action! :rolleyes:
(It sounds insane to me to cut coverage in order to increase viewership. But from all I've heard, the UK fans are overwhelmingly in favor of the change, even though it means that they lose same-day coverage. Go figure.)
BTW, this is a new change. When I set my TiVo two days ago, the coverage was still scheduled for two hours. Again, this makes me think that the change came suddenly from ISC, rather than Speed. Which isn't to say that it doesn't suck (it does!), just that Speed might not be the best place to direct your letters.
Looking at Speed's schedule ( [url]http://www.speedtv.com/schedule/index.php?m=01&d=25&ts=1075006800&timezone=0&subcat=&program=&usecal=yes[/url] ), it looks like we'll get a half hour "Rally Magazine", followed by an hour and a half of coverage.
Besides, with the Mille Pistes recce system, there will only be half the rallying to cover anyway, so it's not like we'll be missing that much more action! :rolleyes:
| TimStevens | 01-15-2004 12:31 PM |
Thanks datageek. Much more reasonable response than what this same thread in OT is receiving :)
| Dirt Man | 01-15-2004 12:33 PM |
I just hope that the coverage is done by English announcer that did it several years ago and not Ralph Shaheen from Speed TV.
| driggity | 01-15-2004 12:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TimStevens[/i]
[B]Much more reasonable response than what this same thread in OT is receiving :) [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats not too shocking now is it? :lol:
There's always a chance that it will be a better put together show anyways. Honestly, it seems like in the past there were a lot of in car segments where there was so much glare that the view out the front of the car wasn't that interesting anyways.
[B]Much more reasonable response than what this same thread in OT is receiving :) [/B][/QUOTE]
Thats not too shocking now is it? :lol:
There's always a chance that it will be a better put together show anyways. Honestly, it seems like in the past there were a lot of in car segments where there was so much glare that the view out the front of the car wasn't that interesting anyways.
| gtguy | 01-15-2004 12:48 PM |
The actual coverage being changed makes sense to me, as Speed Channel doesn't really have the time/resources to edit something down from what they've already received.
Oh, and not everyone in NASCAR is a "no talent redneck." Most o them are first-rate drivers, as a matter of fact. Handling those cars at race pace requires skill, not to mention testicular capacity.
Kevin
Oh, and not everyone in NASCAR is a "no talent redneck." Most o them are first-rate drivers, as a matter of fact. Handling those cars at race pace requires skill, not to mention testicular capacity.
Kevin
| C-daleRidr | 01-15-2004 12:49 PM |
Here's the response I just got from Speed:
First, as you say, Speed is the only network carrying World Rally.
Secondly, our coverage is really being cut back by only one -half hour per
event, and that is because of production cutbacks by the world feed
producer. We dropped the one-hour "Rally X-tra," which was really just a
condensation of our two-hour same day report that aired (and will continue
to run) each Sunday night at the conclusion of a rally event. The half-hour
"Rally XS" remains as a recap of the previous rally and a peek at the
upcoming series. In fact, Rally XS will probably run more often under this
new format.
It all comes down to economics. The small audiences drawn to this series do
not justify the expense of providing daily coverage. Consider the
alternative.
Is it just me, or is that a little condescending right at the end with the 'consider the alternative' line. The whole thing seemed pretty snotty. Here's what I started this dialogue with:
I have begun to hear that your coverage of World Rally Championship racing
will be limited to one, one hour program following each rally. I sincerely
hope that this is not the case, as your single day coverage last year was
already a bit of a step back in terms of WRC television coverage. While I
certainly appreciate that WRC is covered at all on American television, I
would hate to see it marginalized by the only carrier available. If plans
are to drop coverage to one hour for each rally, please reconsider and look
at extending this coverage to give more details about each rally. Those of
us that have become true fans of WRC on Speed would be thrilled to see it
covered as well as possible.
Is it just me? I have an email back to them to mention that they might not want to be asshats (not using that language, obviously), but I wanna make sure that it's not just me.
First, as you say, Speed is the only network carrying World Rally.
Secondly, our coverage is really being cut back by only one -half hour per
event, and that is because of production cutbacks by the world feed
producer. We dropped the one-hour "Rally X-tra," which was really just a
condensation of our two-hour same day report that aired (and will continue
to run) each Sunday night at the conclusion of a rally event. The half-hour
"Rally XS" remains as a recap of the previous rally and a peek at the
upcoming series. In fact, Rally XS will probably run more often under this
new format.
It all comes down to economics. The small audiences drawn to this series do
not justify the expense of providing daily coverage. Consider the
alternative.
Is it just me, or is that a little condescending right at the end with the 'consider the alternative' line. The whole thing seemed pretty snotty. Here's what I started this dialogue with:
I have begun to hear that your coverage of World Rally Championship racing
will be limited to one, one hour program following each rally. I sincerely
hope that this is not the case, as your single day coverage last year was
already a bit of a step back in terms of WRC television coverage. While I
certainly appreciate that WRC is covered at all on American television, I
would hate to see it marginalized by the only carrier available. If plans
are to drop coverage to one hour for each rally, please reconsider and look
at extending this coverage to give more details about each rally. Those of
us that have become true fans of WRC on Speed would be thrilled to see it
covered as well as possible.
Is it just me? I have an email back to them to mention that they might not want to be asshats (not using that language, obviously), but I wanna make sure that it's not just me.
| TimStevens | 01-15-2004 12:55 PM |
Snotty, maybe, but they have a point. It sounds like it's basically out of their hands, unfortunately.
| C-daleRidr | 01-15-2004 12:57 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TimStevens[/i]
[B] Snotty, maybe, but they have a point. It sounds like it's basically out of their hands, unfortunately. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not knocking their logic, but there was just this underlying tone that I didn't like. Ah well, no biggie. Now you know why, and it shouldn't hurt at all. The Rally X-tra was kind of a waste of time.
[B] Snotty, maybe, but they have a point. It sounds like it's basically out of their hands, unfortunately. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not knocking their logic, but there was just this underlying tone that I didn't like. Ah well, no biggie. Now you know why, and it shouldn't hurt at all. The Rally X-tra was kind of a waste of time.
| TimStevens | 01-15-2004 01:01 PM |
I wonder if it'll basically just be a one hour program with 30 minutes worth of "sounds of speed" and Penny Mallory talking mixed in...
| skuttledude | 01-15-2004 01:30 PM |
C-Dale...
Thanks for giving us the first hand response from Speed.
I think your original e-mail was respectful and to the point. Speed's response was OK, maybe a tad snotty HOWEVER, it seems like their hands might be tied on this one.
Davis
Thanks for giving us the first hand response from Speed.
I think your original e-mail was respectful and to the point. Speed's response was OK, maybe a tad snotty HOWEVER, it seems like their hands might be tied on this one.
Davis
| cvalle-sd | 01-15-2004 03:20 PM |
The programmes will be shorter, because the programmes will be shorter, so to speak. ITV's original productions will only be 60min, so that's that. I'm just glad to have it, and I like that at least we'll know for sure when to look for it.
| drees | 01-15-2004 03:29 PM |
I'm still pissed that my stupid cable company (Time Warner) dropped Speed off the expanded cable and now wants me to pay to upgrade to digital cable just to get Speed. The problem with digital cable is that the video quality sucks compared to normal cable and you also need to use their special tuner which keeps me from hooking up mulitple TVs without paying for more digital tuner boxes. :mad: :mad: :mad:
At least you guys still get some rally coverage!
At least you guys still get some rally coverage!
| TimStevens | 01-15-2004 03:32 PM |
You can still hook up multiple TVs and they'll all get standard cable, but you need extra digital boxes if you want digital on all of them.
And yeah, the picture has a tendency to suck at times!
And yeah, the picture has a tendency to suck at times!
| drees | 01-15-2004 03:35 PM |
Unfortunately it seems like Time Warner switches off the normal cable when they turn on the digital cable. I had digital for a while and I couldn't get a signal without the digital tuner.
| gtguy | 01-15-2004 04:25 PM |
The Speed guy is right. "Consider the alternative," indeed. There is a LOT of looking gift horses in the mouth on NASIOC, and a lot of grousing before understanding what is going on. People are slagging the new Legacy for different bumpers...ripping the STi because the brakes are expensive to replace...etc, etc.
Understand that Speed isn't a network in the literal sense of the word, with armies of producers and editors. They purchase programming, and re-air it, usually unedited, though it appears to be checked for offensive material.
An hour and a half is indeed better than nothing, so the comment from the Speed representative is very apt. Interestingly enough, I am in the process of dubbing Speed rally coverage from 1998-2003 from VHS to DVD (for my own use...don't even ask), and there were half-hour wrapup shows that dealt with each rally. Then they moved to one-hour shows, then the excess (to my eyes) of same-day, hour-long coverage, then the two-hour shows of last year.
The half-hour shows are still pretty informative. They pack a lot into the actually about 22 minutes of show time.
The hour-long shows are significantly better. You can get more information/insight.
The three-hour shows are full of repetition. If you chop the commercials, those three hours of coverage don't even fill a two-hour videotape.
Last year's two-hour shows were quite good, but not as good as the edited version of the three-hour shows. But if you look at it, it's the raw material, not anything that Speed is doing.
If you REALLY want to see crappy coverage, I have a tape of the 1997 WRC stuff from ESPN 2. It's so bad I didn't even dub it. :rolleyes:
Kevin
Understand that Speed isn't a network in the literal sense of the word, with armies of producers and editors. They purchase programming, and re-air it, usually unedited, though it appears to be checked for offensive material.
An hour and a half is indeed better than nothing, so the comment from the Speed representative is very apt. Interestingly enough, I am in the process of dubbing Speed rally coverage from 1998-2003 from VHS to DVD (for my own use...don't even ask), and there were half-hour wrapup shows that dealt with each rally. Then they moved to one-hour shows, then the excess (to my eyes) of same-day, hour-long coverage, then the two-hour shows of last year.
The half-hour shows are still pretty informative. They pack a lot into the actually about 22 minutes of show time.
The hour-long shows are significantly better. You can get more information/insight.
The three-hour shows are full of repetition. If you chop the commercials, those three hours of coverage don't even fill a two-hour videotape.
Last year's two-hour shows were quite good, but not as good as the edited version of the three-hour shows. But if you look at it, it's the raw material, not anything that Speed is doing.
If you REALLY want to see crappy coverage, I have a tape of the 1997 WRC stuff from ESPN 2. It's so bad I didn't even dub it. :rolleyes:
Kevin
| TimStevens | 01-15-2004 04:54 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by drees[/i]
[B] Unfortunately it seems like Time Warner switches off the normal cable when they turn on the digital cable. I had digital for a while and I couldn't get a signal without the digital tuner. [/B][/QUOTE]
Really? I have TW, have digital cable in my living room, and standard cable in my bedroom, coming off of the same signal... hrm...
[B] Unfortunately it seems like Time Warner switches off the normal cable when they turn on the digital cable. I had digital for a while and I couldn't get a signal without the digital tuner. [/B][/QUOTE]
Really? I have TW, have digital cable in my living room, and standard cable in my bedroom, coming off of the same signal... hrm...
| gtguy | 01-15-2004 05:20 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TimStevens [/i]
[B]Really? I have TW, have digital cable in my living room, and standard cable in my bedroom, coming off of the same signal... hrm... [/B][/QUOTE]
Yep...what's interesting is that some channels are box-required, and some aren't. So if you run the cable in from the wall into the TV or VCR (then feed the TV) you see how you get some channels (no premiums). We do this when there's something on network TV and something on cable, as the digital box won't let you record two things at the same time (actually, nothing does, though it would be pretty slick if one box could).
"Digital"cable is actually a misnomer, but don't get me started on that one... :lol: That's almost as funny as "digital" headphones.
Kevin
[B]Really? I have TW, have digital cable in my living room, and standard cable in my bedroom, coming off of the same signal... hrm... [/B][/QUOTE]
Yep...what's interesting is that some channels are box-required, and some aren't. So if you run the cable in from the wall into the TV or VCR (then feed the TV) you see how you get some channels (no premiums). We do this when there's something on network TV and something on cable, as the digital box won't let you record two things at the same time (actually, nothing does, though it would be pretty slick if one box could).
"Digital"cable is actually a misnomer, but don't get me started on that one... :lol: That's almost as funny as "digital" headphones.
Kevin
| drees | 01-15-2004 06:57 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TimStevens [/i]
[B]Really? I have TW, have digital cable in my living room, and standard cable in my bedroom, coming off of the same signal... hrm... [/B][/QUOTE] Must be different in my case for some reason, but I'm not going to pay another $15/mo just so I can watch a couple hours of rally footage every month.
[B]Really? I have TW, have digital cable in my living room, and standard cable in my bedroom, coming off of the same signal... hrm... [/B][/QUOTE] Must be different in my case for some reason, but I'm not going to pay another $15/mo just so I can watch a couple hours of rally footage every month.
| PURE EPI | 01-15-2004 10:19 PM |
[QUOTE]and there were half-hour wrapup shows that dealt with each rally. Then they moved to one-hour shows, then the excess (to my eyes) of same-day, hour-long coverage, then the two-hour shows of last year.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. There should be gratitude that we get the coverage at all. Unfortunately, none of the drivers for this sport came from a town anyone in this country grew up in. That hurts us as fans. The amounts of coverage and exposure the WRC gets will be extremely varied in the coming years. With the FIA not able to settle on what the f@#$ they want for a rule structure, and the ISC trying like a teenager for sex, to get over a billion viewers for 2004, they will need our help here in the US. The economics have forced more than one team to rethink its involvement in the series (Hyundai, Mitsubishi, Ford, Skoda, Seat). Even SOA is withdrawing its factory team, from a lack of factory competition.
One thing is for certain, things will be very interesting for the next 2 years...
Indeed. There should be gratitude that we get the coverage at all. Unfortunately, none of the drivers for this sport came from a town anyone in this country grew up in. That hurts us as fans. The amounts of coverage and exposure the WRC gets will be extremely varied in the coming years. With the FIA not able to settle on what the f@#$ they want for a rule structure, and the ISC trying like a teenager for sex, to get over a billion viewers for 2004, they will need our help here in the US. The economics have forced more than one team to rethink its involvement in the series (Hyundai, Mitsubishi, Ford, Skoda, Seat). Even SOA is withdrawing its factory team, from a lack of factory competition.
One thing is for certain, things will be very interesting for the next 2 years...
| meebs | 01-15-2004 10:56 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]The Speed guy is right. "Consider the alternative," indeed. There is a LOT of looking gift horses in the mouth on NASIOC, and a lot of grousing before understanding what is going on.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Ok... but that doesn't give the right for them to act like a-holes. The customer is always right... and last time I checked if we don't tune in and/or pay for the "premium" package with your cable company, SPEED won't get paid! :rolleyes: Economics, indeed!
[B]The Speed guy is right. "Consider the alternative," indeed. There is a LOT of looking gift horses in the mouth on NASIOC, and a lot of grousing before understanding what is going on.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Ok... but that doesn't give the right for them to act like a-holes. The customer is always right... and last time I checked if we don't tune in and/or pay for the "premium" package with your cable company, SPEED won't get paid! :rolleyes: Economics, indeed!
| wrrrx | 01-15-2004 10:57 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]The Speed guy is right. "Consider the alternative," indeed. There is a LOT of looking gift horses in the mouth on NASIOC, and a lot of grousing before understanding what is going on. People are slagging the new Legacy for different bumpers...ripping the STi because the brakes are expensive to replace...etc, etc.
[/B][/QUOTE]
We may be an ungrateful lot, but I still get the feeling this is more of a "Hey, buddy- NASCRAP pays the bills, we don't really need you rally freaks anyway..."
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B] Understand that Speed isn't a network in the literal sense of the word, with armies of producers and editors. They purchase programming, and re-air it, usually unedited, though it appears to be checked for offensive material.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Though, of course, the World Rally coverage was edited. Poor Grist hadda keep changing jackets; "is this for ch. 4 or those Yanks? I forget..."
And where would we be without Mr Shaheen's witty repartee'?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]
An hour and a half is indeed better than nothing, so the comment from the Speed representative is very apt. Interestingly enough, I am in the process of dubbing Speed rally coverage from 1998-2003 from VHS to DVD (for my own use...don't even ask), and there were half-hour wrapup shows that dealt with each rally. Then they moved to one-hour shows, then the excess (to my eyes) of same-day, hour-long coverage, then the two-hour shows of last year.
The half-hour shows are still pretty informative. They pack a lot into the actually about 22 minutes of show time.
The hour-long shows are significantly better. You can get more information/insight.
The three-hour shows are full of repetition. If you chop the commercials, those three hours of coverage don't even fill a two-hour videotape.
Last year's two-hour shows were quite good, but not as good as the edited version of the three-hour shows. But if you look at it, it's the raw material, not anything that Speed is doing.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes! At first I was enthused about the 2-hr daily coverage, but that quickly dissipated as I realized "I'll never watch this- I'll just watch the 'wrap up'..."
I also agree that the 30 minute Rally XS previews were quite good- unfortunately I didn't figure that out until 1/2 way through the season! :lol:
I never saw the point of a 1-hr wrap up, Rally X-tra, when the initial coverage was only 2 hrs to start with... kinda like a band with 2 CD's releasing a "Best Of"!! :huh:
Hopefully they'll cut out repeating of in-car video during the same coverage this time around too...
Russ R
[B]The Speed guy is right. "Consider the alternative," indeed. There is a LOT of looking gift horses in the mouth on NASIOC, and a lot of grousing before understanding what is going on. People are slagging the new Legacy for different bumpers...ripping the STi because the brakes are expensive to replace...etc, etc.
[/B][/QUOTE]
We may be an ungrateful lot, but I still get the feeling this is more of a "Hey, buddy- NASCRAP pays the bills, we don't really need you rally freaks anyway..."
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B] Understand that Speed isn't a network in the literal sense of the word, with armies of producers and editors. They purchase programming, and re-air it, usually unedited, though it appears to be checked for offensive material.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Though, of course, the World Rally coverage was edited. Poor Grist hadda keep changing jackets; "is this for ch. 4 or those Yanks? I forget..."
And where would we be without Mr Shaheen's witty repartee'?
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]
An hour and a half is indeed better than nothing, so the comment from the Speed representative is very apt. Interestingly enough, I am in the process of dubbing Speed rally coverage from 1998-2003 from VHS to DVD (for my own use...don't even ask), and there were half-hour wrapup shows that dealt with each rally. Then they moved to one-hour shows, then the excess (to my eyes) of same-day, hour-long coverage, then the two-hour shows of last year.
The half-hour shows are still pretty informative. They pack a lot into the actually about 22 minutes of show time.
The hour-long shows are significantly better. You can get more information/insight.
The three-hour shows are full of repetition. If you chop the commercials, those three hours of coverage don't even fill a two-hour videotape.
Last year's two-hour shows were quite good, but not as good as the edited version of the three-hour shows. But if you look at it, it's the raw material, not anything that Speed is doing.
[/B][/QUOTE]
Yes! At first I was enthused about the 2-hr daily coverage, but that quickly dissipated as I realized "I'll never watch this- I'll just watch the 'wrap up'..."
I also agree that the 30 minute Rally XS previews were quite good- unfortunately I didn't figure that out until 1/2 way through the season! :lol:
I never saw the point of a 1-hr wrap up, Rally X-tra, when the initial coverage was only 2 hrs to start with... kinda like a band with 2 CD's releasing a "Best Of"!! :huh:
Hopefully they'll cut out repeating of in-car video during the same coverage this time around too...
Russ R
| AndyRoo | 01-15-2004 10:58 PM |
at least you clowns get speed channel...
| Kari L. Goings | 01-15-2004 11:44 PM |
I hope they don't cut any time off! Thats one of the shows we really watch! I think they need to cut some nascar(nascrap) down and add Quarter Midget racing on!!!! My son 8 years old drives the ONLY one SUBARU Quarter Midget!!! He does'nt even like nascar! He wants to drive for SUBARU! When he gets older! That is his goal!!!!!
Kari
GOINGS GOING GONE RACING
Kari
GOINGS GOING GONE RACING
| GuidoThePenguin | 01-16-2004 12:41 AM |
Quality > Quantity
I said this a couple years ago when Speed had the hour long daily recaps, plus the hour long rally recap. 4 1/2 hours of shows for each rally. :eek:
How much in-car filler clips can you watch really?
I said this a couple years ago when Speed had the hour long daily recaps, plus the hour long rally recap. 4 1/2 hours of shows for each rally. :eek:
How much in-car filler clips can you watch really?
| wrrrx | 01-16-2004 07:07 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuidoThePenguin [/i]
[B]How much in-car filler clips can you watch really? [/B][/QUOTE]
Indeed!
But the most frustrating this - the thing that threatens to give me an aneurysm - is that they'll [I]replay[/I] the same clips in a 1 or 2 hr show!
I mean, really- they must have absolutely [B]hours[/B] of footage from *each* team car on *each* stage- there's really no excuse for doubling up any of that shown...
Sorry, just a pet peeve,
RRR
[B]How much in-car filler clips can you watch really? [/B][/QUOTE]
Indeed!
But the most frustrating this - the thing that threatens to give me an aneurysm - is that they'll [I]replay[/I] the same clips in a 1 or 2 hr show!
I mean, really- they must have absolutely [B]hours[/B] of footage from *each* team car on *each* stage- there's really no excuse for doubling up any of that shown...
Sorry, just a pet peeve,
RRR
| sdecker | 01-16-2004 07:34 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]"Digital"cable is actually a misnomer, but don't get me started on that one... :lol: That's almost as funny as "digital" headphones.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Hahahaha!!!...and I thought I was the only one.
[B]"Digital"cable is actually a misnomer, but don't get me started on that one... :lol: That's almost as funny as "digital" headphones.
Kevin [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Hahahaha!!!...and I thought I was the only one.
| gtguy | 01-16-2004 10:42 AM |
I think that the Speed person's response should be taken at face value: "If we didn't do it, nobody would, and some coverage is better than nothing."
As I read it, he wasn't being jerky, nor was he making any allusions to the primacy of NASCAR on Speed, but that's just me.
Kevin
As I read it, he wasn't being jerky, nor was he making any allusions to the primacy of NASCAR on Speed, but that's just me.
Kevin
| wilddave1 | 01-16-2004 11:46 AM |
so gtguy, do you work for speed or fox or what?
| gtguy | 01-16-2004 02:56 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wilddave1 [/i]
[B]so gtguy, do you work for speed or fox or what? [/B][/QUOTE]
No, I work for Logic. :lol:
It's the same reason I attempt to bring people around to reason on so many topics on NASIOC. I admit to not seeing why someone has to be affiliated with someone/thing simply because they suggest that no offense was intended. Think about it: Why would someone voluntarily offend a "customer," unless they didn't care about that person's business? Speed Channel is not in that position, which is why the customer service person responded to the email. Try emailing ABC or CBS about a programming change, and see what you get.
Many members of this group offend easily, and go taking off after windmills when a bit of circumspection would be in order. But this situation also goes to show that words can have many interpretations. The Speed person (I am fairly certain, unless they are reprehensibly stupid, as the original email sent in no way necessitates any belligerence in reponse) wanted the original emailer to do precisely what he suggested: Consider the alternative, which is NO WRC coverage. It's as simple as that, in my book.
I wish I did work for Fox, frankly. That corporation is rocking the house right now. But hey, I've been accused of working for Subaru and DMS in the past, also. For the record, I don't. :lol:
Kevin
[B]so gtguy, do you work for speed or fox or what? [/B][/QUOTE]
No, I work for Logic. :lol:
It's the same reason I attempt to bring people around to reason on so many topics on NASIOC. I admit to not seeing why someone has to be affiliated with someone/thing simply because they suggest that no offense was intended. Think about it: Why would someone voluntarily offend a "customer," unless they didn't care about that person's business? Speed Channel is not in that position, which is why the customer service person responded to the email. Try emailing ABC or CBS about a programming change, and see what you get.
Many members of this group offend easily, and go taking off after windmills when a bit of circumspection would be in order. But this situation also goes to show that words can have many interpretations. The Speed person (I am fairly certain, unless they are reprehensibly stupid, as the original email sent in no way necessitates any belligerence in reponse) wanted the original emailer to do precisely what he suggested: Consider the alternative, which is NO WRC coverage. It's as simple as that, in my book.
I wish I did work for Fox, frankly. That corporation is rocking the house right now. But hey, I've been accused of working for Subaru and DMS in the past, also. For the record, I don't. :lol:
Kevin
| EricB | 01-16-2004 03:54 PM |
I guess I don't fall into the "All hail SPEED for airing any WRC" camp. I'm happy they broadcast what they do, but am not happy with the 2nd (or 3rd) class service it (and everything non-NASCAR) gets. I'm not surprised by this, but I'm not about to cheer loudly for broadcasting lousy coverage of what I like to watch.
Eric
Eric
| johnfelstead | 01-16-2004 06:40 PM |
The UK spectator is not happy with this change. I hope we dont end up with Jim Rosential as anchor, that guy gives me the creeps. :o
| gtguy | 01-16-2004 08:31 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by EricB [/i]
[B]I guess I don't fall into the "All hail SPEED for airing any WRC" camp. I'm happy they broadcast what they do, but am not happy with the 2nd (or 3rd) class service it (and everything non-NASCAR) gets. I'm not surprised by this, but I'm not about to cheer loudly for broadcasting lousy coverage of what I like to watch.
Eric [/B][/QUOTE]
But we get what the rest of the world gets, except for places lucky enough to have it broadcast live. That's one of the things I'm saying. Speed Channel isn't taking five hours of excellent coverage and boiling it down. They are airing what they get. The Grist/Mallory voiceovers are easy things to insert.
Speed Channel also gave WRC the same time slot evey airing, and in prime time. Fans knew when it was going to be on, which was very nice. I don't think that's 2nd or 3rd class at all, as those who used to have to chase the WRC programming around the Speedvision (back then...) broadcasting schedule certainly remember. Never mind waiting until months after the season, to buy the season overview shows (90 minutes, the whole season) from Duke Video. :lol:
I've been following WRC since 1994, and we have had it really good since 2000, when Speed really made a commitment to this programming. Is it unfortunate that it's changing? Perhaps. I'll reserve judgment until I see the shows. A nicely-done 90-minute show can beat a three-hour show all to heck and back.
There were the same rantings when the rumors began that Speed Channel was going to go all-NASCAR, and the spittle flew across the bandwidth. Well, anyone who watched the WRC coverage, motorcycles, live F1 and (these days) German and British touring car coverage, knows this isn't the case. Speed does very well at giving us what we like to watch, but I'm saying that from the perspective of being able to watch the programming from year to year through fresh eyes.
The Brit blokes were better commentators, however....but for the aficionado, not the real person that Speed has to reach to be able to justify keeping WRC on the air. The email in question alluded to the piddling ratings that the WRC programming gets (don't get me started on the tyranny of the Nielsen boxes). But with the inroads being made by digital cable, for all we know, there is actually a way now for our cable providers to know what we are or aren't watching.
I don't think it's as much "all hail Speed," as it is appreciating what we have. If they don't air it, who will? I can see the entire WRC season getting a half-hour show on NBC or something, Saturday afternoon after NBA Inside Stuff. :lol:
Kevin
[B]I guess I don't fall into the "All hail SPEED for airing any WRC" camp. I'm happy they broadcast what they do, but am not happy with the 2nd (or 3rd) class service it (and everything non-NASCAR) gets. I'm not surprised by this, but I'm not about to cheer loudly for broadcasting lousy coverage of what I like to watch.
Eric [/B][/QUOTE]
But we get what the rest of the world gets, except for places lucky enough to have it broadcast live. That's one of the things I'm saying. Speed Channel isn't taking five hours of excellent coverage and boiling it down. They are airing what they get. The Grist/Mallory voiceovers are easy things to insert.
Speed Channel also gave WRC the same time slot evey airing, and in prime time. Fans knew when it was going to be on, which was very nice. I don't think that's 2nd or 3rd class at all, as those who used to have to chase the WRC programming around the Speedvision (back then...) broadcasting schedule certainly remember. Never mind waiting until months after the season, to buy the season overview shows (90 minutes, the whole season) from Duke Video. :lol:
I've been following WRC since 1994, and we have had it really good since 2000, when Speed really made a commitment to this programming. Is it unfortunate that it's changing? Perhaps. I'll reserve judgment until I see the shows. A nicely-done 90-minute show can beat a three-hour show all to heck and back.
There were the same rantings when the rumors began that Speed Channel was going to go all-NASCAR, and the spittle flew across the bandwidth. Well, anyone who watched the WRC coverage, motorcycles, live F1 and (these days) German and British touring car coverage, knows this isn't the case. Speed does very well at giving us what we like to watch, but I'm saying that from the perspective of being able to watch the programming from year to year through fresh eyes.
The Brit blokes were better commentators, however....but for the aficionado, not the real person that Speed has to reach to be able to justify keeping WRC on the air. The email in question alluded to the piddling ratings that the WRC programming gets (don't get me started on the tyranny of the Nielsen boxes). But with the inroads being made by digital cable, for all we know, there is actually a way now for our cable providers to know what we are or aren't watching.
I don't think it's as much "all hail Speed," as it is appreciating what we have. If they don't air it, who will? I can see the entire WRC season getting a half-hour show on NBC or something, Saturday afternoon after NBA Inside Stuff. :lol:
Kevin
| driggity | 01-16-2004 09:47 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy[/i]
[B] No, I work for Logic. :lol:[/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry, but we're going to have to ask you to leave. We'll have none of your logic round these parts. ;)
[B] No, I work for Logic. :lol:[/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry, but we're going to have to ask you to leave. We'll have none of your logic round these parts. ;)
| virpacalis | 01-16-2004 10:06 PM |
Why did I just remember that Martin Luther (the old guy) considered logic to be the devil's whore?
good wrc > bad wrc > no wrc
good wrc > bad wrc > no wrc
| Mopho | 01-16-2004 11:29 PM |
[QUOTE]I mean, really- they must have absolutely hours of footage from *each* team car on *each* stage- there's really no excuse for doubling up any of that shown...[/QUOTE]
When they are trying to put out a show on the same day as the event there is no way to review all that footage and edit in time for the show. It takes a long time to review the hours of tapes from each camera man, each in car, the interviews, the scenics, and the amatuer submissions, etc. Same day or even end of the rally coverage is not enough time to be thorough.
That is why there was mosty in car footage when they were doing the same day shows, because of the lack of time to review and the in car shots would reveal the interesting moments that the stage cameras might miss, so they would go through that footage first
That is why I have always said the best shows were from 2001 and earlier as they took about two weeks to produce the show which allowed them to make a really slick production
When they are trying to put out a show on the same day as the event there is no way to review all that footage and edit in time for the show. It takes a long time to review the hours of tapes from each camera man, each in car, the interviews, the scenics, and the amatuer submissions, etc. Same day or even end of the rally coverage is not enough time to be thorough.
That is why there was mosty in car footage when they were doing the same day shows, because of the lack of time to review and the in car shots would reveal the interesting moments that the stage cameras might miss, so they would go through that footage first
That is why I have always said the best shows were from 2001 and earlier as they took about two weeks to produce the show which allowed them to make a really slick production
| wrrrx | 01-17-2004 11:13 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mopho [/i]
[B]When they are trying to put out a show on the same day as the event there is no way to review all that footage and edit in time for the show. It takes a long time to review the hours of tapes from each camera man, each in car, the interviews, the scenics, and the amatuer submissions, etc. Same day or even end of the rally coverage is not enough time to be thorough.
That is why there was mosty in car footage when they were doing the same day shows, because of the lack of time to review and the in car shots would reveal the interesting moments that the stage cameras might miss, so they would go through that footage first [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't think I explained myself very well; I don't mind some in-car footage, I quite enjoy it actually.
But if they show 60 seconds of Markko, say, running SS 5, near Split time B during coverage, later [B]in the same show[/B] [I]DON'T[/I] show Markko running SS 5, near Split time B [i]AGAIN[/i] - show Petter on that SS!!
Show Gilles on that SS!
Hell, even Freddy- but don't show the same damned footage they already showed!!!
Russ R
[B]When they are trying to put out a show on the same day as the event there is no way to review all that footage and edit in time for the show. It takes a long time to review the hours of tapes from each camera man, each in car, the interviews, the scenics, and the amatuer submissions, etc. Same day or even end of the rally coverage is not enough time to be thorough.
That is why there was mosty in car footage when they were doing the same day shows, because of the lack of time to review and the in car shots would reveal the interesting moments that the stage cameras might miss, so they would go through that footage first [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't think I explained myself very well; I don't mind some in-car footage, I quite enjoy it actually.
But if they show 60 seconds of Markko, say, running SS 5, near Split time B during coverage, later [B]in the same show[/B] [I]DON'T[/I] show Markko running SS 5, near Split time B [i]AGAIN[/i] - show Petter on that SS!!
Show Gilles on that SS!
Hell, even Freddy- but don't show the same damned footage they already showed!!!
Russ R
| Mopho | 01-17-2004 11:21 AM |
That's my point, they did not have time to look at all the footage so they had to fill it with what they were able to look at.
I think 2002 was the worst I prefer to wait a week and get a good show than have same day coverage that is not so good. Ended up finding the results out anyway on the internet.
Shows were much better for 03 though
I think 2002 was the worst I prefer to wait a week and get a good show than have same day coverage that is not so good. Ended up finding the results out anyway on the internet.
Shows were much better for 03 though
| wilddave1 | 01-18-2004 11:26 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mopho [/i]
[B]
Shows were much better for 03 though [/B][/QUOTE]
+1
[B]
Shows were much better for 03 though [/B][/QUOTE]
+1
| Rattler | 01-18-2004 11:56 PM |
Wanna hear funny? They had bobsledding on Speed today. I heard the announcer (don't remember who it was) say "Its kinda like NASCAR" 3 times in @ 10 minutes.
When I flicked on Speed I thought it was a NASCAR race because the sleds are so much like them.:rolleyes:
I was actually watching the ROC show on the '02 race prior to the sleds. I loved the in-car of Jeff Gordon riding with Marcus.:eek: Do you think Marcus ever heard the term "frickin" before that?
When I flicked on Speed I thought it was a NASCAR race because the sleds are so much like them.:rolleyes:
I was actually watching the ROC show on the '02 race prior to the sleds. I loved the in-car of Jeff Gordon riding with Marcus.:eek: Do you think Marcus ever heard the term "frickin" before that?
| TimStevens | 01-19-2004 07:37 AM |
Actually, the US sleds for the Olympics two years ago were designed by a NASCAR engineer.
| bemani | 01-19-2004 08:42 PM |
wth man ... I checked last night and they were suppose to do the 'wrc rally magazine' today ... then they changed it to a dakar repeat and moved wrc to wednesday instead ...
| Rattler | 01-19-2004 09:40 PM |
Anybody know anything about the WorldSport Channel? They have it available through Voom HD. I couldn't find much out about it though.
| wrrrx | 01-20-2004 09:54 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mopho [/i]
[B]I think 2002 was the worst I prefer to wait a week and get a good show than have same day coverage that is not so good. Ended up finding the results out anyway on the internet.[/B][/QUOTE]
That's part of my problem- I wanna find out [I]while watching[/I] ! Me and a coupla buddies would watch it together and root for/against drivers. The whole deal- yelling at the tv, etc... (kinda how most guys watch football.. :lol: )
I haaated waiting a week to find out, it was killing me trying not to learn the results. I'd avoid Nasioc and other forums in my attempt to not know.
But you're right, Mopho, I admit they were better shows. Watching those now, I enjoy them more!
But I can't handle the effort to not know! :furious:
Heh.
Russ R
[B]I think 2002 was the worst I prefer to wait a week and get a good show than have same day coverage that is not so good. Ended up finding the results out anyway on the internet.[/B][/QUOTE]
That's part of my problem- I wanna find out [I]while watching[/I] ! Me and a coupla buddies would watch it together and root for/against drivers. The whole deal- yelling at the tv, etc... (kinda how most guys watch football.. :lol: )
I haaated waiting a week to find out, it was killing me trying not to learn the results. I'd avoid Nasioc and other forums in my attempt to not know.
But you're right, Mopho, I admit they were better shows. Watching those now, I enjoy them more!
But I can't handle the effort to not know! :furious:
Heh.
Russ R
| Mopho | 01-20-2004 10:04 AM |
Yes, someone always blows it on the forums:( Big time rude when they announce it in the thread title:rolleyes:
I tend to follow it on the live rally web pages (especially when I knew someone competing).
I tend to follow it on the live rally web pages (especially when I knew someone competing).
| datageek | 01-20-2004 11:13 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bemani [/i]
[B]wth man ... I checked last night and they were suppose to do the 'wrc rally magazine' today ... then they changed it to a dakar repeat and moved wrc to wednesday instead ... [/B][/QUOTE]
Moving it to Wednesday might be a good thing, actually. Since the recce didn't start until today, I don't know how much footage on the new cars they could get before now -- and I want to see the new liveries! With the program airing later, maybe it will have less old, canned footage and we can get a glimpse at the new stuff?
[B]wth man ... I checked last night and they were suppose to do the 'wrc rally magazine' today ... then they changed it to a dakar repeat and moved wrc to wednesday instead ... [/B][/QUOTE]
Moving it to Wednesday might be a good thing, actually. Since the recce didn't start until today, I don't know how much footage on the new cars they could get before now -- and I want to see the new liveries! With the program airing later, maybe it will have less old, canned footage and we can get a glimpse at the new stuff?
| bemani | 01-20-2004 01:04 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by datageek [/i]
[B]Moving it to Wednesday might be a good thing, actually. Since the recce didn't start until today, I don't know how much footage on the new cars they could get before now -- and I want to see the new liveries! With the program airing later, maybe it will have less old, canned footage and we can get a glimpse at the new stuff? [/B][/QUOTE]
blah ... its probably just another name for rally xs ... which has nothing about MC, but just talk about stuff like team movement, driver line up, stuff drivers did between rally gb and now, etc. They don't need to wait for the rally, its probably already made anyway.
Besides, its the principle, they just changed it on the fly. This is worse than them extending those stupid nascar qualification shows way into the rally xs time slot. Luckily I didn't use a good tape to tape it.
BTW, looks like the actual rally is in a 1.5hr slot (not one hr) :(
9:00 pm FIA WORLD RALLY Monte Carlo (SDD)
10:30 pm MAKING OF "VICTORY BY DESIGN"
[B]Moving it to Wednesday might be a good thing, actually. Since the recce didn't start until today, I don't know how much footage on the new cars they could get before now -- and I want to see the new liveries! With the program airing later, maybe it will have less old, canned footage and we can get a glimpse at the new stuff? [/B][/QUOTE]
blah ... its probably just another name for rally xs ... which has nothing about MC, but just talk about stuff like team movement, driver line up, stuff drivers did between rally gb and now, etc. They don't need to wait for the rally, its probably already made anyway.
Besides, its the principle, they just changed it on the fly. This is worse than them extending those stupid nascar qualification shows way into the rally xs time slot. Luckily I didn't use a good tape to tape it.
BTW, looks like the actual rally is in a 1.5hr slot (not one hr) :(
9:00 pm FIA WORLD RALLY Monte Carlo (SDD)
10:30 pm MAKING OF "VICTORY BY DESIGN"
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