| SubEd | 10-15-2001 02:07 PM |
Speedvision Changes..............Ugh...............
[quote]"We don't think it can be just NASCAR 24 hours a day out of the gate," Brooks says. "It will have some other racing elements. That's probably the right mix to get us started." [/quote]
New name, new look, new graphics, new everything. I'm not optimistic...:mad:
[URL=http://charlotte.bcentral.com/charlotte/stories/2001/10/15/story6.html]Link.[/URL]
New name, new look, new graphics, new everything. I'm not optimistic...:mad:
[URL=http://charlotte.bcentral.com/charlotte/stories/2001/10/15/story6.html]Link.[/URL]
| WRSport | 10-15-2001 02:21 PM |
Yes, this is problem.
Make sure they are aware of your views!!!
We need more RALLY coverage!!
They have confirmed F1 will continue, but I'm concerned about rally coverage.
MAKE SURE YOU let the "nascarchannel" know how you feel.
Make sure they are aware of your views!!!
We need more RALLY coverage!!
They have confirmed F1 will continue, but I'm concerned about rally coverage.
MAKE SURE YOU let the "nascarchannel" know how you feel.
| mclmk8d | 10-15-2001 02:26 PM |
Time for the Petition again
here is the link:
[url]http://www.PetitionOnline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?svsn&1[/url]
[url]http://www.PetitionOnline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?svsn&1[/url]
| WRSport | 10-15-2001 02:39 PM |
Thanks for the link.
I sent out emails with that and I know 10 more petitions will be submitted.
I sent out emails with that and I know 10 more petitions will be submitted.
| Impreza Rider | 10-15-2001 02:49 PM |
I signed the petition :D
| bluesubie | 10-15-2001 02:53 PM |
From the article: "Fox acquired control of Speedvision this summer. Long known for emphasizing open-wheel racing and several lesser-known series, Speedvision plans an overhaul under its new ownership with an emphasis on NASCAR."
Maybe another network will pick up some of the dropped programming. Let's hope.
Dennis
Maybe another network will pick up some of the dropped programming. Let's hope.
Dennis
| ryball | 10-15-2001 03:01 PM |
Just signed... we can only hope.
| jamz | 10-15-2001 03:27 PM |
Ya know what? I like NASCAR. I like it a lot. However, now that they are broadcasting it on network TV, that is enough. THey don't need to dedicate a special channel to the sport. Golf can probably handle that kind of detail, but stock car racking can't. Hope they see the light- Kinda don't matter to me, cause my cable company doesn't carry speedvision! :mad:
| the_gille | 10-15-2001 05:49 PM |
Isnt NASCAR already broadcast on numerous other channels? And that damn Totally NASCAR show is on Fox and Speedvision at basicly the same time! Isnt one channel enough? :rolleyes: :mad:
Ben
Ben
| ForceFed4 | 10-15-2001 06:11 PM |
Great, just what we need, another TNN.
Guess it's inevitable though, Fox is only concerned with making money from it, and NASCAR will make more than F1 or SCCA and even WRC rally. I'd say we'll be lucky if we even get to watch the F1 races live anymore. I'm sure we can forget about practice sessions and qualifying though.
Guess it's inevitable though, Fox is only concerned with making money from it, and NASCAR will make more than F1 or SCCA and even WRC rally. I'd say we'll be lucky if we even get to watch the F1 races live anymore. I'm sure we can forget about practice sessions and qualifying though.
| WRSport | 10-15-2001 06:43 PM |
NOT EVEN.
F1 has been confirmed via speedvision website that we will not be losing any f1 coverage.
Rally has not been addressed at all.
F1 has been confirmed via speedvision website that we will not be losing any f1 coverage.
Rally has not been addressed at all.
| LordBass | 10-15-2001 07:27 PM |
ACK!! Speedvision is basically the only reason that I have cable, and it's going mostly NASCAR? Ugh!! I hate NASCAR, and it's everywhere else already!!
Speedvision single handedly got me into F1, BTCC, European Truck Racing, RallyCross, World & SCCA ProRally, etc.. None of it NASCAR junk! The channel has been degrading a lot over the last year already, but this is sick.
Agh!
*off to sign the petition*
lb
[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
Speedvision single handedly got me into F1, BTCC, European Truck Racing, RallyCross, World & SCCA ProRally, etc.. None of it NASCAR junk! The channel has been degrading a lot over the last year already, but this is sick.
Agh!
*off to sign the petition*
lb
[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
| WRX Fan | 10-15-2001 07:55 PM |
It is pretty straight forward for me.
If Speedvision cancels Rally I cancel Speedvision, and I move to Europe.
Problem solved.
Honestly now, NASCAR?! It isn't even proper racing. Just round-de-round.
BFD!
:monkey: Rally Rules, NASCAR drools!
If Speedvision cancels Rally I cancel Speedvision, and I move to Europe.
Problem solved.
Honestly now, NASCAR?! It isn't even proper racing. Just round-de-round.
BFD!
:monkey: Rally Rules, NASCAR drools!
| KeithRS | 10-15-2001 08:08 PM |
No more cable. I use these:
[IMG]http://www.radioshack.com/images/ProductCatalog/ProductImage/15/15-1838.jpg[/IMG]
| Stoopid MOMO | 10-15-2001 10:31 PM |
Points to ponder.
1. Speedvision is the only network with decent coverage of rally, f1, bikes, and transam/american lemans.
2. I can get NASCAR on literally 10 other channels.
3. There isnt enough NASCAR to take up a whole day. Imagine watching a rerun of Totally NASCAR 58 times in a row without turning into a drooling, sub-humanoid. Its not possible.
4. I dont like NASCAR. The strict rules have messed it up. It was good, 20 years ago.
1. Speedvision is the only network with decent coverage of rally, f1, bikes, and transam/american lemans.
2. I can get NASCAR on literally 10 other channels.
3. There isnt enough NASCAR to take up a whole day. Imagine watching a rerun of Totally NASCAR 58 times in a row without turning into a drooling, sub-humanoid. Its not possible.
4. I dont like NASCAR. The strict rules have messed it up. It was good, 20 years ago.
| ChrisW | 10-15-2001 11:51 PM |
well..... I hope the only changes are to get rid of those stupid paid advertisements...
[QUOTE]
"We're a niche, but within that, we have to be as broad as possible. We want to be the mall
[/quote]
Hopefully what they mean by this is to have more racing coverage 24/7. Not even nascar has that much media avaible.
....well, time to go sign some petitions
[QUOTE]
"We're a niche, but within that, we have to be as broad as possible. We want to be the mall
[/quote]
Hopefully what they mean by this is to have more racing coverage 24/7. Not even nascar has that much media avaible.
....well, time to go sign some petitions
| Dolphin Overton | 10-16-2001 12:43 AM |
One more bit of crappy news.:mad:
[SIZE=4]I HATE NASCAR[/SIZE]
I signed... I wish I could sign a million times
[SIZE=4]I HATE NASCAR[/SIZE]
I signed... I wish I could sign a million times
| Seeing StaRS | 10-16-2001 01:48 AM |
I'm so fustrated....you know that the corporate interests will win out eventually. What are we gonna do? Speedvision has (like somebody above mentioned) introduced me to so many forms of motorsport its unbelievable. I love this freaking network. It's got a good mix of everything, not always great but at least its dependable. Good luck to Formula 1, WRC and aviation hope you make the cut....:rolleyes:
[SIZE=3][B]NASCAR SUCKS![/B] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][B]NASCAR SUCKS![/B] [/SIZE]
| Marquis | 10-16-2001 07:26 AM |
Bahhh!!!!! I sure hope they don't do this. I signed the petition, hoefully it'll be enough.
On top of the aforementioned F1, WRC, SCCA (of all sorts, from rally to the run-offs), and BTCC, I really need my Motorsport Mundial fix so that I can see some indoor trials competition every once in a while. Those guys are incredible.
On top of the aforementioned F1, WRC, SCCA (of all sorts, from rally to the run-offs), and BTCC, I really need my Motorsport Mundial fix so that I can see some indoor trials competition every once in a while. Those guys are incredible.
| TimStevens | 10-16-2001 07:38 AM |
Damnit... it wasn't more than a few months ago when a bunch of Speedvision reps publically said "We've heard your opinions, and we won't be going all NASCAR." Now this... it sure as hell sounds like they're hoping to have as much NASCAR as possible.
Very disappointing...
-tim
Very disappointing...
-tim
| Coati | 10-16-2001 10:34 AM |
Signed!:)
If they bumped WRC coverage up to an hour a day after each stage and kept all the SCCA and F1 coverage, I might grudgingly allow NASCAR on Speedvision between the hours of 3 and 4am on mondays instead of a miracle car wax infomercial :monkey:
If they bumped WRC coverage up to an hour a day after each stage and kept all the SCCA and F1 coverage, I might grudgingly allow NASCAR on Speedvision between the hours of 3 and 4am on mondays instead of a miracle car wax infomercial :monkey:
| burr101 | 10-16-2001 10:41 AM |
that really $ucks...
shaun
shaun
| Porter | 10-16-2001 12:15 PM |
NASCAR is lobbying for this change at Speedvision. They see any other motorsport in the US as a threat, they think it will take away from their potential market penetration. NASCAR is an evil organization that seeks to prevent Americans from being able to watch F1 and WRC on television!
I'm only half joking. It's more serious than you think.
I'm only half joking. It's more serious than you think.
| gtguy | 10-16-2001 12:31 PM |
Nobody knows what is going to happen until it actually happens. Anything else is just speculation.
When Fox bought Speedvision, who except the most Pollyannaish, expected them to leave it alone, or maybe add an hour or so of NASCAR programming? The series is hugely popular, and draws hordes of viewers.
Keep in mind also that the first thing that Fox has to do is increase the clearance (homes in which it is carried) of Speedvision. It's subscriber numbers are a pittance compared to the ESPNs or Fox Sports Nets. Fox is changing the name of the channel as well, but that isn't as dire as some might think. It will be called The Speed Network or some such.
But F1 and rally, though we love it, doesn't draw much in the way of viewership. I imagine the numbers would go up a lot if tapers (like myself) could be counted. Like it or not, network TV, cable or otherwise, is all about the numbers, y'all. F1 and WRC are being carried because they're "profile" programs that attract a dedicated, if not particularly substantial viewership. The numbers are certainly substantial in view of the total subscribers of Speedvision, but not in view of the numbers in an ideal Fox world.
Make no mistake about it...Speedvision will change. Just how much remains to be seen. What could happen is that some of the other aviation and boating programs could be moved, or die to make room for more NASCAR programming, with F1 and WRC being left alone.
We just have to wait and see.
Kevin
When Fox bought Speedvision, who except the most Pollyannaish, expected them to leave it alone, or maybe add an hour or so of NASCAR programming? The series is hugely popular, and draws hordes of viewers.
Keep in mind also that the first thing that Fox has to do is increase the clearance (homes in which it is carried) of Speedvision. It's subscriber numbers are a pittance compared to the ESPNs or Fox Sports Nets. Fox is changing the name of the channel as well, but that isn't as dire as some might think. It will be called The Speed Network or some such.
But F1 and rally, though we love it, doesn't draw much in the way of viewership. I imagine the numbers would go up a lot if tapers (like myself) could be counted. Like it or not, network TV, cable or otherwise, is all about the numbers, y'all. F1 and WRC are being carried because they're "profile" programs that attract a dedicated, if not particularly substantial viewership. The numbers are certainly substantial in view of the total subscribers of Speedvision, but not in view of the numbers in an ideal Fox world.
Make no mistake about it...Speedvision will change. Just how much remains to be seen. What could happen is that some of the other aviation and boating programs could be moved, or die to make room for more NASCAR programming, with F1 and WRC being left alone.
We just have to wait and see.
Kevin
| LordBass | 10-16-2001 12:59 PM |
Hmm.. there's a small possibility this won't be so bad. IMO all the boating and aviation stuff can be dropped, and there's too much motorcycle stuff (esp. repeats) and way too many worthless paid advertisments.
This would leave room for a lot more programming (sadly, NASCAR if it pays the bills) without any change to existing auto racing coverage.
But since this is an evil corporation at work, I highly doubt it will be this logical.
Even if they do keep F1, they'll probably dirty up the commentary the way ABC did the US GP. I love Posey, Hobbs is ok and as much as I hate Varsha, he's better than those goofs from ABC any day and twice on Sunday.
lb
[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
This would leave room for a lot more programming (sadly, NASCAR if it pays the bills) without any change to existing auto racing coverage.
But since this is an evil corporation at work, I highly doubt it will be this logical.
Even if they do keep F1, they'll probably dirty up the commentary the way ABC did the US GP. I love Posey, Hobbs is ok and as much as I hate Varsha, he's better than those goofs from ABC any day and twice on Sunday.
lb
[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
| Arioch | 10-16-2001 01:09 PM |
first, let me say :mad: :mad: :mad:
now, on the subject of content... if they put nascar on when the plane and boat shows are on, i won't miss a thing. while those are ok to watch from time to time, i just don't get in to them... at all. i just hope that they don't skimp on the f1, touring cars, gt series, bikes, le mans, rally, or big-rig racing coverage. is that asking too much?
off to sign the petition (which will have just about no affect on the future of speedvision...) :(
now, on the subject of content... if they put nascar on when the plane and boat shows are on, i won't miss a thing. while those are ok to watch from time to time, i just don't get in to them... at all. i just hope that they don't skimp on the f1, touring cars, gt series, bikes, le mans, rally, or big-rig racing coverage. is that asking too much?
off to sign the petition (which will have just about no affect on the future of speedvision...) :(
| eastbaysubaru | 10-16-2001 01:11 PM |
I can't believe that they would stop the WRC or F1 coverage. They just bumped the WRC coverage to an hour long format instead of the half hour that they've had for years. That's double the amount of coverage that we've become accustomed. I don't think they'd be changing that so soon. Additionally, I think they'd be more likely to ace all that boating and airplane stuff first. Those shows can't get more viewers than the F1 or WRC stuff. Either way, NASCAR SUCKS! Does anyone else find it humorous that the only country that gives a crap about this poor excuse for racing is America. Probably the same reason SUVs are so damn popular here. Whatever, I guess I'll end my rant here.
-Brian
-Brian
| SpinAll4 | 10-16-2001 10:48 PM |
Why would someone who doesnt have speedvision and likes nascrap- pay more money to get it, it dont make no sense. Nascrap is every where, speedvision should try to stand out from the rest.
If speedvision fuffs this up they are loose my biz for sure.
:monkey: :monkey: :monkey:
People who have speedvision now, dont want Nascar, if they wanted massive nascrap coverage, they can turn to many sources.
It dont make sense.
Chewbacca is a wookie.
If speedvision fuffs this up they are loose my biz for sure.
:monkey: :monkey: :monkey:
People who have speedvision now, dont want Nascar, if they wanted massive nascrap coverage, they can turn to many sources.
It dont make sense.
Chewbacca is a wookie.
| OnTheGas | 10-17-2001 02:15 AM |
Get Ready For NASCAR 24 hours a day
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gtguy [/i]
[B]...Speedvision will change. Just how much remains to be seen...[/B][/QUOTE]I didn't realise that Fox had bought Speedvision. However, if we re-read the [URL=http://charlotte.bcentral.com/charlotte/stories/2001/10/15/story6.html]article in the Charlotte fish-wrap[/URL], they provide a pretty clear glimpse of Fox's (and NASCAR's) road-map for Speedvision. In a nut-shell, these are the last few weeks for Speedvision. Then it will become a weird bastard child in 2002, before it morphs into the NASCAR 24-7 channel in 2003. To illustrate...
[quote][b]"The whole reason for moving to Charlotte is the direction of our NASCAR partnership," (Jim Liberatore, the network's 39-year-old president) says.[/b][/quote]Hey! What does the new presidente of Speedvision mean by the term "NASCAR partnership"?[quote][b]Speedvision plans an overhaul under its new ownership with an emphasis on NASCAR.[/b][/quote]Rats![quote][b]Fox Sports joined NBC/Turner this year as network partners on stock-car telecasts, paying $2.4 billion over the next six years for broadcast rights. Soon after that deal was signed, principals at Fox and NASCAR began talks for their cable venture.[/b][/quote]Two point four billion w/a "B" dollars. That's a lotta mulla floatin' around... More importantly, the "partnership" on Speedvision 'tween Fox and NASCAR does appear to be a business deal.[quote][b]"This allows Fox to recoup some of its investment (in NASCAR), and it offers fans a chance to see a lot more racing," says Legg, Mason Wood Walker Inc. analyst Breck Wheeler. "This is a precursor to what will become the NASCAR Channel, for all intents and purposes."[/b][/quote]We are so screwed... 24-7 NASCAR here it comes...[quote][b]George Pyne and Paul Brooks, executives at sanctioning body NASCAR, will lend expertise to the network. "We don't think it can be just NASCAR 24 hours a day out of the gate," Brooks says. "It will have some other racing elements. That's probably the right mix to get us started."[/b][/quote]George and Paul are execs at NASCAR, and those are their words... one more time... what was that phrase? Oh yes, it was "NASCAR 24 hours a day..."
On Super Sunday we will see previews of Speedvision's replacement. RIP, Speedvision!
There was some encouraging news in the article... Speedvision turned a profit this year. Perhaps someone else could pick up the ball, and run with it.
[B]...Speedvision will change. Just how much remains to be seen...[/B][/QUOTE]I didn't realise that Fox had bought Speedvision. However, if we re-read the [URL=http://charlotte.bcentral.com/charlotte/stories/2001/10/15/story6.html]article in the Charlotte fish-wrap[/URL], they provide a pretty clear glimpse of Fox's (and NASCAR's) road-map for Speedvision. In a nut-shell, these are the last few weeks for Speedvision. Then it will become a weird bastard child in 2002, before it morphs into the NASCAR 24-7 channel in 2003. To illustrate...
[quote][b]"The whole reason for moving to Charlotte is the direction of our NASCAR partnership," (Jim Liberatore, the network's 39-year-old president) says.[/b][/quote]Hey! What does the new presidente of Speedvision mean by the term "NASCAR partnership"?[quote][b]Speedvision plans an overhaul under its new ownership with an emphasis on NASCAR.[/b][/quote]Rats![quote][b]Fox Sports joined NBC/Turner this year as network partners on stock-car telecasts, paying $2.4 billion over the next six years for broadcast rights. Soon after that deal was signed, principals at Fox and NASCAR began talks for their cable venture.[/b][/quote]Two point four billion w/a "B" dollars. That's a lotta mulla floatin' around... More importantly, the "partnership" on Speedvision 'tween Fox and NASCAR does appear to be a business deal.[quote][b]"This allows Fox to recoup some of its investment (in NASCAR), and it offers fans a chance to see a lot more racing," says Legg, Mason Wood Walker Inc. analyst Breck Wheeler. "This is a precursor to what will become the NASCAR Channel, for all intents and purposes."[/b][/quote]We are so screwed... 24-7 NASCAR here it comes...[quote][b]George Pyne and Paul Brooks, executives at sanctioning body NASCAR, will lend expertise to the network. "We don't think it can be just NASCAR 24 hours a day out of the gate," Brooks says. "It will have some other racing elements. That's probably the right mix to get us started."[/b][/quote]George and Paul are execs at NASCAR, and those are their words... one more time... what was that phrase? Oh yes, it was "NASCAR 24 hours a day..."
On Super Sunday we will see previews of Speedvision's replacement. RIP, Speedvision!
There was some encouraging news in the article... Speedvision turned a profit this year. Perhaps someone else could pick up the ball, and run with it.
| shrieden | 10-17-2001 03:22 AM |
My petition comment:
Respectfully, FOX networks will be making a large mistake by turning Speedvision into an all NASCAR channel, from what I understand, Speedvision was purchased because it has become very profitable, now why change that reason for success by changing the viewer base that has made the profits. Doing this will alienate the channel from true enthusiasts who rely on the channel for access into another world of racing that is available in every other country in the world. I trust FOX will see the error in its ways and rectify the programming change and return Speedvision to its rightfull line-up.
Respectfully, FOX networks will be making a large mistake by turning Speedvision into an all NASCAR channel, from what I understand, Speedvision was purchased because it has become very profitable, now why change that reason for success by changing the viewer base that has made the profits. Doing this will alienate the channel from true enthusiasts who rely on the channel for access into another world of racing that is available in every other country in the world. I trust FOX will see the error in its ways and rectify the programming change and return Speedvision to its rightfull line-up.
| rsr911 | 10-17-2001 10:31 AM |
I am signature # 57047.
I think I am going to be sick. I have noticed more and more NASCAR stuff and I have been tuning out.
Looks like it may be time to start a new NETWORK
AGAIN!
Owen
I think I am going to be sick. I have noticed more and more NASCAR stuff and I have been tuning out.
Looks like it may be time to start a new NETWORK
AGAIN!
Owen
| Longshot | 10-17-2001 10:47 AM |
I'm not one for long speeches.. so..
NASCAR bad.
WRC, F1, Cart, and all the other races featuring right turns.. good.
Korey
NASCAR bad.
WRC, F1, Cart, and all the other races featuring right turns.. good.
Korey
| grandpa rex | 10-17-2001 11:36 AM |
I'll make this short
Car and bike racing on Speedvision = GOOD
airplanes and boats = boring
replacing planes and boats with NASCAR = OK with me
replacing any existing car or bike stuff = not so good
replacing F1 or WRC = VERY BAD
Chill guys, more NASCAR means more car racing. Might not be our favorite, but it's better than boats, planes and the NBA
Car and bike racing on Speedvision = GOOD
airplanes and boats = boring
replacing planes and boats with NASCAR = OK with me
replacing any existing car or bike stuff = not so good
replacing F1 or WRC = VERY BAD
Chill guys, more NASCAR means more car racing. Might not be our favorite, but it's better than boats, planes and the NBA
| RPM+BPM | 10-18-2001 01:50 AM |
i just said:
DON'T YOU DARE TAKE AWAY RALLY, LeMANS, AND F-1.
so how long before speedvision 2 comes along to satisfy us??
DON'T YOU DARE TAKE AWAY RALLY, LeMANS, AND F-1.
so how long before speedvision 2 comes along to satisfy us??
| shippy1 | 10-18-2001 09:28 AM |
Nascar Sucks
I watch a lot of Speedvision and I despise the thought of watching Nascar on it(I obviously won't watch). I would rather watch the Motor Millions infomercial for the 100th time than watch Nascar on Speedvision.
| shippy1 | 10-18-2001 02:28 PM |
Lets drive around in circles. Borring
Why is eveyone so into Nascar. Please someone tell me what they find so cool about driveing in a circle. Why watch circles when you have rally or F1. Speedvision needs more rally and F1!!!!!!!!!!!! Every other chanel has nascar on it. It drives me insane fliping the tube all i see is Jeff Gordon or Dale Jr. Get rid of the boats and planes. Get into different racing than all the other chanels please.
Oh yea NASCAR SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS YEA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. LONG LIVE F1
Oh yea NASCAR SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS YEA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. LONG LIVE F1
| shippy1 | 10-18-2001 02:49 PM |
DOWN WITH NASCAR
PLEASE DONT DO THIS, *UCK YOU FOX, YOU HAVE FOX SPORTS TO WATCH NASCRAP PLEASE DONT TAKE OUR F1 RALLY LE MANS AND TURING CAR .
P.S LOOK AT ALL THE REPLIES ON THIS SITE DONT DO IT
P.S LOOK AT ALL THE REPLIES ON THIS SITE DONT DO IT
| motorob | 10-18-2001 04:32 PM |
I kind of like NASCAR, but the fact is (as many have already pointed out) that you can see it in 10 other places. Any change of format at Speedvision is likely to make it impossible to see that particular form of racing on cable in the US. I don't have cable and many NASCAR races are on TNT, if I want to see them all I have to do is write a check. A rally or F1 fan who has his or her coverage cancelled on Speedvision is going to be SOL. (Is it possible to get that coverage on satellite or dish? I haven't heard any discussion of that here...)
One other comment, directed at the "I don't care for boats/planes" folks. Speedvision just turned a profit for the FIRST time in the last year. Anything that helps to braoden its market without having to resort to NASCAR coverage is a plus. If NASCAR gets their foot in the door it will be all she wrote. Everyone loves to paint a picture of NASCAR as a bunch of hillbillies, but they are some hard-nosed, very successful businessmen there. They didn't get where they are today by pussyfooting around. They will roll over any smaller competition. Boats and planes mean a wider viewer and advertiser base. In the early days of Speedvision they had to have boat and plane footage b/c there wasn't enough race coverage to fill the schedule. Speedvision created a market for race coverage production, which grew in response. My point is, Speedvision is a haven for coverage of niche market motorsports, be grateful for the boring boat and plane coverage. Remember that somewhere, someone is complaining that those motorcycles and dirty rally cars are competing with the boat drags and Reno air races.
One other comment, directed at the "I don't care for boats/planes" folks. Speedvision just turned a profit for the FIRST time in the last year. Anything that helps to braoden its market without having to resort to NASCAR coverage is a plus. If NASCAR gets their foot in the door it will be all she wrote. Everyone loves to paint a picture of NASCAR as a bunch of hillbillies, but they are some hard-nosed, very successful businessmen there. They didn't get where they are today by pussyfooting around. They will roll over any smaller competition. Boats and planes mean a wider viewer and advertiser base. In the early days of Speedvision they had to have boat and plane footage b/c there wasn't enough race coverage to fill the schedule. Speedvision created a market for race coverage production, which grew in response. My point is, Speedvision is a haven for coverage of niche market motorsports, be grateful for the boring boat and plane coverage. Remember that somewhere, someone is complaining that those motorcycles and dirty rally cars are competing with the boat drags and Reno air races.
| 63Alpine | 10-18-2001 08:19 PM |
Does anyone honestly believe that they are going to stop coverage of other events to cover NASCAR? There is 168 hours in the week. There is plenty of time to cover ALL racing styles. The last time I checked there was no NASCAR races on at 7:00 AM on Sunday morning. All they have to do is drop a few infomercials, boat shows and plane shows. As a matter of fact I would love it if they got rid of that crap and put some racing on. When I hit the channel I want racing, I don't care what kind of racing it is.
On the subject of NASCAR. Have any one of the people bashing NASCAR ever watched long enough to even figure out what is going on? I am willing to bet you turn the TV on see it is NASCAR and change the channel.
NASCAR has everything that makes good racing. It has passing, it has pit strategy, it has track strategy and it has great drivers. I would wager that you could have put the late Dale Sr. in any damn car and he would be a great driver. Just look at his performace in the Corvette C5 on a road course. There is not a damned person on this board that could do what those guys do every weekend. I am even more amazed when they wrestle those cars around a road course.
Lose the attitude folks, there is enough room for all types of racing and they all have their good points and their bad points. If I had a choice between watching Martinsville or the Hungarian GP, I would watch Martinsville. Luckily I don't have to choose, I can watch both.
Of course if I am wrong I will be all over Speevision demanding that they cover all racing
Kurt
On the subject of NASCAR. Have any one of the people bashing NASCAR ever watched long enough to even figure out what is going on? I am willing to bet you turn the TV on see it is NASCAR and change the channel.
NASCAR has everything that makes good racing. It has passing, it has pit strategy, it has track strategy and it has great drivers. I would wager that you could have put the late Dale Sr. in any damn car and he would be a great driver. Just look at his performace in the Corvette C5 on a road course. There is not a damned person on this board that could do what those guys do every weekend. I am even more amazed when they wrestle those cars around a road course.
Lose the attitude folks, there is enough room for all types of racing and they all have their good points and their bad points. If I had a choice between watching Martinsville or the Hungarian GP, I would watch Martinsville. Luckily I don't have to choose, I can watch both.
Of course if I am wrong I will be all over Speevision demanding that they cover all racing
Kurt
| randy zimmer | 10-18-2001 08:31 PM |
speedvision
I'll try to keep it short...
I've discovered rallying and it is very cool and on TV the speed doesn't have to be explained, it can be seen.
I've read a lot of posts complaining about how "this racing sucks" and "I hate this stuff" and so on, I've been involved with many types of racing on many levels and there isn't one type that isn't competitive and each form has something in it that, if studied, you would learn something you could apply to your own situation.
NASCAR has money, politics, preparation, promotion and tactics that are honed to a fine degree and if you ignore all that work and plan to learn it all on your own, good luck!
Speedvision has plenty of time in a week to show many forms of racing and if Speedvision doesn't - and it deserves to be on the air, it will be somewhere else. We aren't talking 3 networks anymore are we.
All the rallies I've attended this year have had half the cars drop out. I watched a "NASCAR Tech" show on cooling systems tonight that was informative and had many tips. Maybe more of the guys building cars should watch this show. If you need money to run your program, maybe you should see how Monster Truck guys get their huge budgets to run those things all over.
while you're watching stuff, look at my in-car stuff at:
[url]www.randyzimmer.com/video[/url]
I've discovered rallying and it is very cool and on TV the speed doesn't have to be explained, it can be seen.
I've read a lot of posts complaining about how "this racing sucks" and "I hate this stuff" and so on, I've been involved with many types of racing on many levels and there isn't one type that isn't competitive and each form has something in it that, if studied, you would learn something you could apply to your own situation.
NASCAR has money, politics, preparation, promotion and tactics that are honed to a fine degree and if you ignore all that work and plan to learn it all on your own, good luck!
Speedvision has plenty of time in a week to show many forms of racing and if Speedvision doesn't - and it deserves to be on the air, it will be somewhere else. We aren't talking 3 networks anymore are we.
All the rallies I've attended this year have had half the cars drop out. I watched a "NASCAR Tech" show on cooling systems tonight that was informative and had many tips. Maybe more of the guys building cars should watch this show. If you need money to run your program, maybe you should see how Monster Truck guys get their huge budgets to run those things all over.
while you're watching stuff, look at my in-car stuff at:
[url]www.randyzimmer.com/video[/url]
| OnTheGas | 10-18-2001 10:50 PM |
I'd Like That Bet Please!
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 63Alpine [/i]
[B]...On the subject of NASCAR. Have any one of the people bashing NASCAR ever watched long enough to even figure out what is going on? I am willing to bet you turn the TV on see it is NASCAR and change the channel...[/B][/QUOTE]Hello! How much do you wanna bet? Let's bet mucho dinero that NASCAR bashers watch long enough to figure out what is going on, because I need the money.
Or are you just being rhetorical? In which case, you're point is that if we only watched NASCAR racing long enough, we would like it. We must not understand, otherwise we would like it, right?
I've watched it for hours, I believe I understand it well, (I have been crewing for my brother-in-law's stock car for the last three seasons, responsible for chassis set-ups, although that doesn't make me an expert), but I still don't like to watch NASCAR.
Let's say that NASCAR is like eating brocolli. Some people like brocolli, and some people don't. But would you argue that those who don't like brocolli should just chew it longer, keep it eating it, until the true delicious flavor of brocolli comes out? :lol: No, probably not, cause we would lose that argument.
Point being that it is a matter of individual taste. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 63Alpine [/i]
[B]...Lose the attitude folks...[/B][/QUOTE]Although I like brocolli, I still don't like NASCAR, and I'm not apologising for either!
:D
And hey, where's the money we bet? ;)
[B]...On the subject of NASCAR. Have any one of the people bashing NASCAR ever watched long enough to even figure out what is going on? I am willing to bet you turn the TV on see it is NASCAR and change the channel...[/B][/QUOTE]Hello! How much do you wanna bet? Let's bet mucho dinero that NASCAR bashers watch long enough to figure out what is going on, because I need the money.
Or are you just being rhetorical? In which case, you're point is that if we only watched NASCAR racing long enough, we would like it. We must not understand, otherwise we would like it, right?
I've watched it for hours, I believe I understand it well, (I have been crewing for my brother-in-law's stock car for the last three seasons, responsible for chassis set-ups, although that doesn't make me an expert), but I still don't like to watch NASCAR.
Let's say that NASCAR is like eating brocolli. Some people like brocolli, and some people don't. But would you argue that those who don't like brocolli should just chew it longer, keep it eating it, until the true delicious flavor of brocolli comes out? :lol: No, probably not, cause we would lose that argument.
Point being that it is a matter of individual taste. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by 63Alpine [/i]
[B]...Lose the attitude folks...[/B][/QUOTE]Although I like brocolli, I still don't like NASCAR, and I'm not apologising for either!
:D
And hey, where's the money we bet? ;)
| Steve 2.5 | 10-19-2001 02:34 AM |
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| 63Alpine | 10-19-2001 08:37 AM |
No, my point was not "If you watch NASCAR longer you will like it". My point was that most people bash it without understanding it and relegate it to non-racing.
My overall point was to please stop bashing one type of racing over another. They all have their good points and bad points. I had to watch NASCAR for two seasons because I could not get Speedvision. I learned a lot about it and started to enjoy it. It is very competetive. I like watching ALL racing, sports car, F1, CART, WRC and NASCAR are fine with me. OK, I don't like boat drag racing but I have watched it and it is racing. :)
I sent the check out last night. Go wait out by the mailbox it will be right there. ;)
Kurt
My overall point was to please stop bashing one type of racing over another. They all have their good points and bad points. I had to watch NASCAR for two seasons because I could not get Speedvision. I learned a lot about it and started to enjoy it. It is very competetive. I like watching ALL racing, sports car, F1, CART, WRC and NASCAR are fine with me. OK, I don't like boat drag racing but I have watched it and it is racing. :)
I sent the check out last night. Go wait out by the mailbox it will be right there. ;)
Kurt
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