| 944 turbo guy | 07-13-2003 09:59 PM |
STI vs. M5 ( Lovell,Freeman, and Possum reality check)
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Today I ran a BMW M5 from 60 mph to limiter. I won by 2 cars, we did it twice, both times started in 4th gear !!
M5 weighs like 3745 with 400 hp and tall gearing.
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I guess while I was being STUPID :mad: Mark Lovell and co driver Freeman lost there lives to the Sport of Rallying, making me feel very stupid when I came in the house to post this !!
In May of 1994 when I found out about Senna passing away @ Imola it really hit me hard, and hearing this isnt much different.
As a racer myself, I never think about dying when I'm diving down the inside of someone or passing on the outside of a corner,( or in today's case, risking my life and others on the street) but man when you hear of a racer passing away while giving his soul to the sport, and thinking about this guy or girls family, ..man it isnt easy to get back in the car the next time at the track. But you do,....... and you say a prayer, and hope the big man is guiding you around the track.
At my local track on Friday, a young guy in a WRX rolled his car three times, and walked away, but my fellow instructor cut his right arm down to the bone, cause the door shell split on the second impact,...I also risk my life getting into students cars and sometimes people dont listen to me when I say something very important and they wonder why I tell them to go in the pits,..and afterward they give you the evil look,.....and later in the day when someone gets airlifted to shock trauma, they apologize. !
Which brings me to this,.......We all know that Prodrive and Safety Devices build the best cages, and we all know that Bell helmets makes the best helmets, and we all kmow that Sparco makes the best racing suits, ..but RACING is dangerous and these guys,...were'nt part timers either,... they were the best in the business, and could drive their arsses off too,..but for some reason, today was the day, and that **** aint fair.......
Lets all( certainly myself included) be careful and try to remember Lovell and Freeman, and Possum, and all who have given their lives to the sport that has brought us all together..
Myles W.
944 turbo guy
M5 weighs like 3745 with 400 hp and tall gearing.
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I guess while I was being STUPID :mad: Mark Lovell and co driver Freeman lost there lives to the Sport of Rallying, making me feel very stupid when I came in the house to post this !!
In May of 1994 when I found out about Senna passing away @ Imola it really hit me hard, and hearing this isnt much different.
As a racer myself, I never think about dying when I'm diving down the inside of someone or passing on the outside of a corner,( or in today's case, risking my life and others on the street) but man when you hear of a racer passing away while giving his soul to the sport, and thinking about this guy or girls family, ..man it isnt easy to get back in the car the next time at the track. But you do,....... and you say a prayer, and hope the big man is guiding you around the track.
At my local track on Friday, a young guy in a WRX rolled his car three times, and walked away, but my fellow instructor cut his right arm down to the bone, cause the door shell split on the second impact,...I also risk my life getting into students cars and sometimes people dont listen to me when I say something very important and they wonder why I tell them to go in the pits,..and afterward they give you the evil look,.....and later in the day when someone gets airlifted to shock trauma, they apologize. !
Which brings me to this,.......We all know that Prodrive and Safety Devices build the best cages, and we all know that Bell helmets makes the best helmets, and we all kmow that Sparco makes the best racing suits, ..but RACING is dangerous and these guys,...were'nt part timers either,... they were the best in the business, and could drive their arsses off too,..but for some reason, today was the day, and that **** aint fair.......
Lets all( certainly myself included) be careful and try to remember Lovell and Freeman, and Possum, and all who have given their lives to the sport that has brought us all together..
Myles W.
944 turbo guy
| amdmaxx | 07-13-2003 10:13 PM |
amen
| KoneKiller | 07-13-2003 10:41 PM |
They died doing what they love... may I be so lucky!
But it does remind us to be careful with ourselves and those around us.
But it does remind us to be careful with ourselves and those around us.
| RichQY | 07-14-2003 03:10 AM |
Amen!!
| skuttledude | 07-14-2003 09:08 AM |
Amen brother.
Can you be my instructor at Summit later this summer/fall:)?
Cheers,
Davis
Can you be my instructor at Summit later this summer/fall:)?
Cheers,
Davis
| VVVV | 07-14-2003 09:26 AM |
And please, everyone, remember that driving on public roads is even more dangerous than pushing to the limit in the controlled environment of the track or rally stage. So keep it under control, and sign up for track days to scratch that high speed itch.
| ANZAC_1915 | 07-14-2003 10:24 AM |
[quote]but man when you hear of a racer passing away while giving his soul to the sport, and thinking about this guy or girls family, ..man it isnt easy to get back in the car the next time at the track. But you do,....... and you say a prayer, and hope the big man is guiding you around the track.[/quote]
I've never bought the "died doing what they love" line. No one wants to die earlier than you need to, but then there are also a lot of things we don't control.
There have been two foreign tourists killed in Seattle in the last few months, one hit by a runaway car, the other apparently jaywalked. Pretty random.
I've been rallying a car which has essentially a 30 year old cage design.... and you look at the Prodrive cars and look at the cage design, very stout. What it tells me is they probably left the road and hit a tree with the roof of the car at a high speed. I am not sure that this is a impact that can be designed for.
I pretty much spent all of Sunday in a bit of a fog. Lovell was the opposite of Colin McRae, even though they both emerged onto the rally scene in the UK at the same time. Lovell always seemed calm and jovial, never flashy about his driving. He was the kind of rally driver I aspire to be (and still do) - calm and controlled.
Of alll of the front runners in the US scene, he was the last person I expected to perish during an event.
Glenn
PS I'm moving this to the motorsport forum.
I've never bought the "died doing what they love" line. No one wants to die earlier than you need to, but then there are also a lot of things we don't control.
There have been two foreign tourists killed in Seattle in the last few months, one hit by a runaway car, the other apparently jaywalked. Pretty random.
I've been rallying a car which has essentially a 30 year old cage design.... and you look at the Prodrive cars and look at the cage design, very stout. What it tells me is they probably left the road and hit a tree with the roof of the car at a high speed. I am not sure that this is a impact that can be designed for.
I pretty much spent all of Sunday in a bit of a fog. Lovell was the opposite of Colin McRae, even though they both emerged onto the rally scene in the UK at the same time. Lovell always seemed calm and jovial, never flashy about his driving. He was the kind of rally driver I aspire to be (and still do) - calm and controlled.
Of alll of the front runners in the US scene, he was the last person I expected to perish during an event.
Glenn
PS I'm moving this to the motorsport forum.
| PURE EPI | 07-14-2003 11:06 AM |
I've been rallying a car which has essentially a 30 year old cage design.... and you look at the Prodrive cars and look at the cage design, very stout. What it tells me is they probably left the road and hit a tree with the roof of the car at a high speed. I am not sure that this is a impact that can be designed for.
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Precisely....
Remember Colin last year? slid off the road into a tree that compromised cage integrity instantly. Trees are the worst. They, most times, just don't move....
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Precisely....
Remember Colin last year? slid off the road into a tree that compromised cage integrity instantly. Trees are the worst. They, most times, just don't move....
| ITWRX4ME | 07-14-2003 11:49 AM |
Can we make a pact that no one else buys it for the rest of this year. I mean, it's enough already. The sport can't take much more of this.
Please guys, let's be safe out there.
Please guys, let's be safe out there.
| johnfelstead | 07-14-2003 01:45 PM |
I very much agree with Glenn's words. Sadly you cant protect against everything, it's the cruel reality of the sport we love, losing someone of the calibre of Mark Lovell, both as a person and a driver makes it very hard to accept.
I was competing in a timed competition on sunday in my STi and it was hard work to get up and drive 2 hours to the venue then go compete. I felt it was apropriate to do this though and i am glad i did, as the camerarderie between competitors in motorsports is something unique IMHO and it helped to be in the thick of the action.
I always aproach my track driving from the safety side first and build up my speed over time, i try and instill this in everyone i meet at track events, sometimes you cant and the inevitable happens, but you should always try and do this with newbies and look after them.
I was competing in a timed competition on sunday in my STi and it was hard work to get up and drive 2 hours to the venue then go compete. I felt it was apropriate to do this though and i am glad i did, as the camerarderie between competitors in motorsports is something unique IMHO and it helped to be in the thick of the action.
I always aproach my track driving from the safety side first and build up my speed over time, i try and instill this in everyone i meet at track events, sometimes you cant and the inevitable happens, but you should always try and do this with newbies and look after them.
| Subie Gal | 07-14-2003 02:30 PM |
Mark was an inspiration to me :)
he made me laugh...
never failed to amuse...
he made me gasp in awe at his abilities...
he was a gentleman through and through
and he was my friend....
i'm going to miss him.
Saturday my heart/soul screamed
[i]go home jamie, leave now... [/i]
as i was competing in the same rally
that took my friend :(
but... as John says....
the camerarderie and support of the 'rally family'
was probably the best thing for all of us involved.
I drove on.... and continued in his honor, and with
all due respect....
[i]Thanks Mark... thanks for the memories, good times shared and the lessons learned... GodSpeed my friend....[/i]
[img]http://www.subiegal.com/IMAGES/EVENTS/Taste%20of%20Subaru/Lovell.jpg[/img]
[i]jamie[/i]
he made me laugh...
never failed to amuse...
he made me gasp in awe at his abilities...
he was a gentleman through and through
and he was my friend....
i'm going to miss him.
Saturday my heart/soul screamed
[i]go home jamie, leave now... [/i]
as i was competing in the same rally
that took my friend :(
but... as John says....
the camerarderie and support of the 'rally family'
was probably the best thing for all of us involved.
I drove on.... and continued in his honor, and with
all due respect....
[i]Thanks Mark... thanks for the memories, good times shared and the lessons learned... GodSpeed my friend....[/i]
[img]http://www.subiegal.com/IMAGES/EVENTS/Taste%20of%20Subaru/Lovell.jpg[/img]
[i]jamie[/i]
| sdecker | 07-14-2003 04:42 PM |
Jamie:
That was awesome. Thank you. I'm sure the message will arrive. Be safe, everyone.
Scott
That was awesome. Thank you. I'm sure the message will arrive. Be safe, everyone.
Scott
| Rally Performance | 07-14-2003 09:35 PM |
Agh.
I just heard today. Was away with family over the weekend, didn't follow the rally... Steve Gingras told me today on the phone.
I had a pit in my stomach all day but it just hit home finally when I read your post here. Thanks Jamie, you said it well. I'm sitting here looking at some pictures on the wall of the office, remembering.
Thanks, Mark, for showing people that talent can still be well mixed with humility. Thanks for sharing your talent, and your enjoyment of the sport. I hope that you are with God, and hope to see you again sometime.
Ken
I just heard today. Was away with family over the weekend, didn't follow the rally... Steve Gingras told me today on the phone.
I had a pit in my stomach all day but it just hit home finally when I read your post here. Thanks Jamie, you said it well. I'm sitting here looking at some pictures on the wall of the office, remembering.
Thanks, Mark, for showing people that talent can still be well mixed with humility. Thanks for sharing your talent, and your enjoyment of the sport. I hope that you are with God, and hope to see you again sometime.
Ken
| ANZAC_1915 | 07-14-2003 10:44 PM |
Regarding my speculation that the car hit the tree with its roof, the sheriff report said it impacted a 3' dia tree with the driver's door.
:( :(
I always wanted to ask Mark to sign my copy of "The Story of the Escort Cosworth" in which he appears (as a test driver). I never did, because I thought it a bit too "fannish". But somewhat selfishly, I miss having a memento.
I notice many people have called each other over this to comiserate. I think it really helps to talk.
:( :(
:( :(
I always wanted to ask Mark to sign my copy of "The Story of the Escort Cosworth" in which he appears (as a test driver). I never did, because I thought it a bit too "fannish". But somewhat selfishly, I miss having a memento.
I notice many people have called each other over this to comiserate. I think it really helps to talk.
:( :(
| CosmoTheCat | 07-15-2003 12:21 AM |
What the heck did the stupid street racing at the beginning of this thread have to do with anything?
| johnfelstead | 07-15-2003 06:07 AM |
maybe if you took a few seconds to read the first post properly you would understand that one horatio102.
I watched my copy of the 1988 Shell Oils RAC British open rally championship yesterday, it features Mark in a great fight with Jimmy McRae and Pentti Airikkala for the championship, Mark driving the 2WD Sierra Cosworth. What a huge tallent he possesed.
Some of the best parts of the video were the interviews with Mark, especially the ones where he had hit problems, his sense of humour came through. After crashing when driving on slicks in the rain after taking a gamble to win, he explained it as "going balls out for the win, i didnt come here to be second" and after retiring from the Manx International and losing his chance to win the title after engine failure he says "great shame, we would have stuffed it to them you know" with a big grin. He was leading at the time. There was no strop or complaints about the car, just humour. :)
I watched my copy of the 1988 Shell Oils RAC British open rally championship yesterday, it features Mark in a great fight with Jimmy McRae and Pentti Airikkala for the championship, Mark driving the 2WD Sierra Cosworth. What a huge tallent he possesed.
Some of the best parts of the video were the interviews with Mark, especially the ones where he had hit problems, his sense of humour came through. After crashing when driving on slicks in the rain after taking a gamble to win, he explained it as "going balls out for the win, i didnt come here to be second" and after retiring from the Manx International and losing his chance to win the title after engine failure he says "great shame, we would have stuffed it to them you know" with a big grin. He was leading at the time. There was no strop or complaints about the car, just humour. :)
| SilverBoosted | 07-15-2003 10:27 AM |
I will be the first to admit that I have done some foolish things on the road both with my previous car and with my WRX .
Yet these past few months seeing the deaths in motorsport ,with vehicles designed to withstand impacts that my car would never be able to survive, has shown me that Im not immortal.
I am addicted to the adrenalin rush that comes with speed I admit. I think it will be taken to the track where I can speed safely and get some instruction on being a better driver......
Miles just be careful out there I know you can handle yourself its the others on the road you need to worry about......
Yet these past few months seeing the deaths in motorsport ,with vehicles designed to withstand impacts that my car would never be able to survive, has shown me that Im not immortal.
I am addicted to the adrenalin rush that comes with speed I admit. I think it will be taken to the track where I can speed safely and get some instruction on being a better driver......
Miles just be careful out there I know you can handle yourself its the others on the road you need to worry about......
| WRXinWhite | 07-15-2003 01:55 PM |
[QUOTE][i]...Some of the best parts of the video were the interviews with Mark, especially the ones where he had hit problems, his sense of humour came through. After crashing when driving on slicks in the rain after taking a gamble to win, he explained it as "going balls out for the win, i didnt come here to be second" and after retiring from the Manx International and losing his chance to win the title after engine failure he says "great shame, we would have stuffed it to them you know" with a big grin. He was leading at the time. There was no strop or complaints about the car, just humour. :) [/B][/QUOTE]
It's interesting that you mentioned Manx, John. Here is a bit of news I found about Manx in 1989 in reference to Mark's career and I am rather puzzeled:[QUOTE]Lovell also claimed the Dutch and Tarmac Championships in 1988, driving Sierra Cosworths, but his works career ended in 1989, after Ford ordered him to surrender victory on the Manx to his team-mate Russell Brookes.[/QUOTE]
I know it is slightly off the topic but would like to hear your opinion.
It's interesting that you mentioned Manx, John. Here is a bit of news I found about Manx in 1989 in reference to Mark's career and I am rather puzzeled:[QUOTE]Lovell also claimed the Dutch and Tarmac Championships in 1988, driving Sierra Cosworths, but his works career ended in 1989, after Ford ordered him to surrender victory on the Manx to his team-mate Russell Brookes.[/QUOTE]
I know it is slightly off the topic but would like to hear your opinion.
| CosmoTheCat | 07-15-2003 02:45 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]maybe if you took a few seconds to read the first post properly you would understand that one horatio102.
[/B][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
I did read it.
What I got from it was:
"I was out flexin' my mad tyte skillz yo, racing on the streets being superfly waxin the M5 in my S - T - i.
But don't flame me because now I'm going to talk about how street racing is bad and then we'll throw in a little bit about some great guys who just passed away and try and make a statement."
Perhaps I'm too cynical though. Maybe he wasn't trying to think up some way to brag about his "kill" while not incurring the wrath of the NASIOC anti-street racing policy. :rolleyes:
[B]maybe if you took a few seconds to read the first post properly you would understand that one horatio102.
[/B][/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
I did read it.
What I got from it was:
"I was out flexin' my mad tyte skillz yo, racing on the streets being superfly waxin the M5 in my S - T - i.
But don't flame me because now I'm going to talk about how street racing is bad and then we'll throw in a little bit about some great guys who just passed away and try and make a statement."
Perhaps I'm too cynical though. Maybe he wasn't trying to think up some way to brag about his "kill" while not incurring the wrath of the NASIOC anti-street racing policy. :rolleyes:
| johnfelstead | 07-15-2003 06:02 PM |
You really are being stupid Horatio.
As to what happened with Mark on the Manx 1989, from memory what happened was he was leading the event by a hell of a margin, but his team mate Russell Brooks was 2nd and needed to get the win to win the championship, so Mark was forced to drop time on stage to allow Russell to win.
Mark wasnt happy about this at all, so on one of the most famous corners on the manx, he spun his car to a halt and reveresed it backwards into the TV cameras, then sat there waiting for Russell to pass him before blasting off to finish the stage and losing his win.
It didnt do him many favours because he showed the reality of team orders and they were trying to keep that quiet. It was probably one of the reasons why his career took a bit of a sabatical as confronting the team back then was very much not allowed.
It's a pity you giys never got to see Mark drive on tarmac, he was the class of the field on that surface, very very fast.
I remember Colin McRae having a very similar reaction in 1995 on the penultimate round of the WRC when he was ordered to let Carlos pass him, Colin was more secure in the team so could get away with it though.
As to what happened with Mark on the Manx 1989, from memory what happened was he was leading the event by a hell of a margin, but his team mate Russell Brooks was 2nd and needed to get the win to win the championship, so Mark was forced to drop time on stage to allow Russell to win.
Mark wasnt happy about this at all, so on one of the most famous corners on the manx, he spun his car to a halt and reveresed it backwards into the TV cameras, then sat there waiting for Russell to pass him before blasting off to finish the stage and losing his win.
It didnt do him many favours because he showed the reality of team orders and they were trying to keep that quiet. It was probably one of the reasons why his career took a bit of a sabatical as confronting the team back then was very much not allowed.
It's a pity you giys never got to see Mark drive on tarmac, he was the class of the field on that surface, very very fast.
I remember Colin McRae having a very similar reaction in 1995 on the penultimate round of the WRC when he was ordered to let Carlos pass him, Colin was more secure in the team so could get away with it though.
| FlooredSubaru | 07-15-2003 06:27 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subie Gal [/i]
[B]Mark was an inspiration to me :)
Saturday my heart/soul screamed
[i]go home jamie, leave now... [/i]
as i was competing in the same rally
that took my friend :(
[i]jamie[/i] [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm glad to see a post from you.
I was kind of worried because I thought that you were at the rally.
Unfortunately I was at a race here in Colorado.
I know how you feel about strapping into a race car after you hear of there deaths. Its a weird feeling.
I think this is the first time i have ever met anyone that has died besides my grandfather.
When I talked to Mark at Pikes Peak I asked him how I could drive as fast as he did.
He hinted at if I had rallied before.
I told him I had finished two rallies.
He smiled and told me to stick with it because it�s worth it in the end.
I shook his hand and told him good luck tomorrow.
The next day I watched as he set a new record and won the event.
It was awesome to get a chance to meet him and I couldn�t belive he took the time to talk to me with such a big line behind me.
I hope he knows how many of us are going to miss seeing him racing though the trees in a bright blue car.
Erik S.
[B]Mark was an inspiration to me :)
Saturday my heart/soul screamed
[i]go home jamie, leave now... [/i]
as i was competing in the same rally
that took my friend :(
[i]jamie[/i] [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm glad to see a post from you.
I was kind of worried because I thought that you were at the rally.
Unfortunately I was at a race here in Colorado.
I know how you feel about strapping into a race car after you hear of there deaths. Its a weird feeling.
I think this is the first time i have ever met anyone that has died besides my grandfather.
When I talked to Mark at Pikes Peak I asked him how I could drive as fast as he did.
He hinted at if I had rallied before.
I told him I had finished two rallies.
He smiled and told me to stick with it because it�s worth it in the end.
I shook his hand and told him good luck tomorrow.
The next day I watched as he set a new record and won the event.
It was awesome to get a chance to meet him and I couldn�t belive he took the time to talk to me with such a big line behind me.
I hope he knows how many of us are going to miss seeing him racing though the trees in a bright blue car.
Erik S.
| skuttledude | 07-16-2003 11:18 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]You really are being stupid Horatio.
Yea, and he is a Moderator too! (not sarcastic)
Truly,
Davis
[B]You really are being stupid Horatio.
Yea, and he is a Moderator too! (not sarcastic)
Truly,
Davis
| WRXinWhite | 07-16-2003 03:23 PM |
Thanks John, for your description and explanation of what happened at Manx in 1989. I would love to have seen Mark drive on tarmac and I am not sure if there is any video tape that registered it.
| johnfelstead | 07-16-2003 03:39 PM |
the tape above has loads of it, it even has 2 full stages onboard with Mark on the Ulster rally.
| CosmoTheCat | 07-16-2003 09:34 PM |
:rolleyes:
This thread is stupid.
John, you're being stupid.
Are we going to allow all sorts of street racing posts [i]if[/i] the author also says it was stupid and the death of [i]so-and-so[/i] made him feel bad?
This thread is stupid.
John, you're being stupid.
Are we going to allow all sorts of street racing posts [i]if[/i] the author also says it was stupid and the death of [i]so-and-so[/i] made him feel bad?
| johnfelstead | 07-16-2003 10:28 PM |
I am stunned you dont understand this yet, your posts are the only ones that dont make any sense in this thread.
This thread is not stupid, it has some of the most genuine and heart felt words i have ever seen written on this BBS in it.
Please use some inteligence and read past the first sentance of this thread.
I am :confused: by your inability to see this.
This thread is not stupid, it has some of the most genuine and heart felt words i have ever seen written on this BBS in it.
Please use some inteligence and read past the first sentance of this thread.
I am :confused: by your inability to see this.
| CosmoTheCat | 07-16-2003 10:46 PM |
[quote]Today I ran a BMW M5 from 60 mph to limiter. I won by 2 cars, we did it twice, both times started in 4th gear !!
M5 weighs like 3745 with 400 hp and tall gearing.
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I guess while I was being STUPID Mark Lovell and co driver Freeman lost there lives to the Sport of Rallying, making me feel very stupid when I came in the house to post this !!
[/quote]
Ok so he was out street racing, then came running home to post about it when he found out about Lovell and Freeman.
If Lovell and Freeman hadn't perished, he wouldn't have been saying how stupid his actions were. How come I'm the only one who does see this?
Yeah, he was touched by the deaths of a couple of racing greats. So were we all. But that still doesn't change the fact that he intended to brag about beating an M5 doing 4th gear pulls from 60 on up, and did so under cover of an emotional topic.
M5 weighs like 3745 with 400 hp and tall gearing.
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I guess while I was being STUPID Mark Lovell and co driver Freeman lost there lives to the Sport of Rallying, making me feel very stupid when I came in the house to post this !!
[/quote]
Ok so he was out street racing, then came running home to post about it when he found out about Lovell and Freeman.
If Lovell and Freeman hadn't perished, he wouldn't have been saying how stupid his actions were. How come I'm the only one who does see this?
Yeah, he was touched by the deaths of a couple of racing greats. So were we all. But that still doesn't change the fact that he intended to brag about beating an M5 doing 4th gear pulls from 60 on up, and did so under cover of an emotional topic.
| johnfelstead | 07-17-2003 06:36 AM |
OK, i am going to leave it at that, I hope you do too so we can continue, if people feel they would like to, to discuss our thoughts about mark and roger. That is what this thread is about, i wish you could concentrate on that like the rest of us have.
| Opie | 07-17-2003 08:33 AM |
[i]The mods of this forum have not had an issue with this post as it is allowing people to discuss their feelings during this loss. I apologize for the "interuptions".[/i]
Rally on Mark & Roger...rally on. For everyone else, make every second count.
Rally on Mark & Roger...rally on. For everyone else, make every second count.
| CosmoTheCat | 07-17-2003 12:44 PM |
I was under the impression that the following threads were dedicated to that:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=390466[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=391993[/url]
and to a lesser extent:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=391115[/url]
And none of those threads opened with somebody bragging about street racing.
But whatever. Some people are more emotional than others and I guess it clouds their vision.
What happened to them is much like what happened to Dale. A tragic accident that happened while they were doing their job. Doing what they loved to do. Not many people get to say that they truely loved their jobs. My heart goes out to their families and friends.
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=390466[/url]
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=391993[/url]
and to a lesser extent:
[url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=391115[/url]
And none of those threads opened with somebody bragging about street racing.
But whatever. Some people are more emotional than others and I guess it clouds their vision.
What happened to them is much like what happened to Dale. A tragic accident that happened while they were doing their job. Doing what they loved to do. Not many people get to say that they truely loved their jobs. My heart goes out to their families and friends.
| Paisan | 07-18-2003 01:55 AM |
Well I'll publically say that the first post in this thread should have had this shut down right away. Street racing is street racing, whether you loose by an inch or a mile, it's still dumb and against the rules of this forum. Just because the poster had a revelation, doesn't mean that it should stay. I guess all the emotions running around has clouded peoples thinking on it...
RIP Lovell, Freeman and Possum....
-mike
RIP Lovell, Freeman and Possum....
-mike
| ANZAC_1915 | 07-18-2003 10:22 AM |
Guys, the post was originally in the STi forum, but I felt the content about Lovell/Freeman was more appropriate here, so chose to ignore the STi/M5 bit and just moved it as is.
Chill.
Chill.
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