| ANZAC_1915 | 01-14-2004 08:51 PM |
Subaru Shifts Focus Of 2004 Us Motor Sports Program
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SUBARU SHIFTS FOCUS OF 2004 US MOTOR SPORTS PROGRAM
CHERRY HILL, N.J., Jan. 14, 2004 -- Subaru of America, Inc., the only car company that features Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive as standard equipment on every vehicle in its product line, today announced it will shift the focus of its motor sports program in the United States for 2004. Subaru will withdraw its factory team from competition this year in the SCCA ProRally Championship Series, and focus support on the efforts of Subaru privateers through increased contingency funds and on-site parts support under the new Subaru Rally Support Program. The company will also contribute to the SCCA Partnership Bonus Program this year.
"We came to this decision based primarily on the lack of manufacturer competition within the Open Class category for 2004," said Tim Bennett, director of marketing programs, Subaru of America, Inc. "Subaru will remain the largest official contingency sponsor of the 2004 SCCA ProRally Championship and contribute to the SCCA Partnership Bonus Program, exhibiting our commitment to facilitating the growth of rallying in the US."
Under the new Subaru Rally Support Program, the company will maintain the highest total contingency payout through the Subaru Championship Cup program and offer contingency funds to Subaru entrants in the Production GT Class and at selected ClubRally events. Subaru will provide a Subaru Rally Parts Support Truck on-site at most ProRally events to offer competitors access to Genuine Subaru Parts.
The SCCA Partnership Bonus Program offers event organizers financial and operational assistance for continued development of their individual events. This initiative is designed to improve such things as operational consistency throughout the championship, marketing and public relations efforts. For more information visit [url]www.scca.com.[/url]
In addition, Subaru will continue to be the primary broadcast sponsor of the World Rally Championship programming on Speed Channel for 2004.
About Subaru of America, Inc.
Subaru of America, Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. of Japan. Headquartered near Philadelphia, the company markets and distributes all-wheel drive Subaru vehicles, parts and accessories through a network of nearly 600 dealers across the United States. Subaru is the only car company that offers symmetrical all-wheel drive as standard equipment on every vehicle in its product line. For additional information please visit [url]www.media.subaru.com.[/url]
(link to article: [url]http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/DotNet/Newsroom/Query.aspx?SiteName=Subaru&Entity=PRAsset&SF_PRAsset_PRAssetID_EQ=75939&XSL=PressRelease&Title=Releases&Cache=False[/url])
CHERRY HILL, N.J., Jan. 14, 2004 -- Subaru of America, Inc., the only car company that features Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive as standard equipment on every vehicle in its product line, today announced it will shift the focus of its motor sports program in the United States for 2004. Subaru will withdraw its factory team from competition this year in the SCCA ProRally Championship Series, and focus support on the efforts of Subaru privateers through increased contingency funds and on-site parts support under the new Subaru Rally Support Program. The company will also contribute to the SCCA Partnership Bonus Program this year.
"We came to this decision based primarily on the lack of manufacturer competition within the Open Class category for 2004," said Tim Bennett, director of marketing programs, Subaru of America, Inc. "Subaru will remain the largest official contingency sponsor of the 2004 SCCA ProRally Championship and contribute to the SCCA Partnership Bonus Program, exhibiting our commitment to facilitating the growth of rallying in the US."
Under the new Subaru Rally Support Program, the company will maintain the highest total contingency payout through the Subaru Championship Cup program and offer contingency funds to Subaru entrants in the Production GT Class and at selected ClubRally events. Subaru will provide a Subaru Rally Parts Support Truck on-site at most ProRally events to offer competitors access to Genuine Subaru Parts.
The SCCA Partnership Bonus Program offers event organizers financial and operational assistance for continued development of their individual events. This initiative is designed to improve such things as operational consistency throughout the championship, marketing and public relations efforts. For more information visit [url]www.scca.com.[/url]
In addition, Subaru will continue to be the primary broadcast sponsor of the World Rally Championship programming on Speed Channel for 2004.
About Subaru of America, Inc.
Subaru of America, Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. of Japan. Headquartered near Philadelphia, the company markets and distributes all-wheel drive Subaru vehicles, parts and accessories through a network of nearly 600 dealers across the United States. Subaru is the only car company that offers symmetrical all-wheel drive as standard equipment on every vehicle in its product line. For additional information please visit [url]www.media.subaru.com.[/url]
(link to article: [url]http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/DotNet/Newsroom/Query.aspx?SiteName=Subaru&Entity=PRAsset&SF_PRAsset_PRAssetID_EQ=75939&XSL=PressRelease&Title=Releases&Cache=False[/url])
| MK19 | 01-14-2004 08:54 PM |
damn... well, I gotta say what else what they be doing besides really pricey training? Like they said- no "competition" perse. Sad to hear that tho, I was psyched about this years ProRally... Perhaps 2005 will bring in some new manufacturers :confused:
| nate49509 | 01-14-2004 09:47 PM |
They must have felt pressure to put this out after I sent them an e-mail asking if they were going to make an announcement concerning the 2004 season.:lol:
| MK19 | 01-14-2004 09:48 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by nate49509[/i]
[B] They must have felt pressure to put this out after I sent them an e-mail asking if they were going to make an announcement concerning the 2004 season.:lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Musta been that guy at the auto show huh?
[B] They must have felt pressure to put this out after I sent them an e-mail asking if they were going to make an announcement concerning the 2004 season.:lol: [/B][/QUOTE]
Musta been that guy at the auto show huh?
| ForceFed4 | 01-14-2004 10:23 PM |
Well, with Mitsu out, I can't say I'm surprised to see this.
Too bad...
Too bad...
| pio!pio! | 01-14-2004 10:41 PM |
What about road racing?
| Hondaslayer | 01-14-2004 11:38 PM |
WT2WA
I heard they canceled the hotel rooms so I stopped by the Wixom facility and heard the news.
Worst part is alot of these guys have no job to go back to in England as Prodrive U.K is fully staffed. :(
I heard they canceled the hotel rooms so I stopped by the Wixom facility and heard the news.
Worst part is alot of these guys have no job to go back to in England as Prodrive U.K is fully staffed. :(
| Subie Gal | 01-15-2004 10:50 AM |
cant say i am suprised...
but hope to see Ramana on the stages at some level!
(kickin arse and takin names :D )
Jamie
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
but hope to see Ramana on the stages at some level!
(kickin arse and takin names :D )
Jamie
[url]www.subiegal.com[/url]
| C-daleRidr | 01-15-2004 11:20 AM |
This had been making the rumor rounds for a while. Too bad, but hopefully they'll still be as involved as possible.
| ElGranBan� | 01-15-2004 12:48 PM |
I figured all y'all privateers would be happier with more support and incentives from Subaru. It does suck for all the team employees.
| Subie Gal | 01-15-2004 01:28 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ElGranBan� [/i]
[B]I figured all y'all privateers would be happier with more support and incentives from Subaru. It does suck for all the team employees. [/B][/QUOTE]
Privateers aren't benefiting from this.
the subaru clubrally contingency program has been in place for years now this is nothing new (PGT and Open class only) - and there are no changes as far as we've been told.
As for pro rally, the only class able to qualify for subaru part support/contingency money is Group N....
Group N... where just to build an true-blue Group N Legal car you have to sell your firstborn... :rolleyes:
[i]just not sure you have the full scope of things here :) [/i]
[B]I figured all y'all privateers would be happier with more support and incentives from Subaru. It does suck for all the team employees. [/B][/QUOTE]
Privateers aren't benefiting from this.
the subaru clubrally contingency program has been in place for years now this is nothing new (PGT and Open class only) - and there are no changes as far as we've been told.
As for pro rally, the only class able to qualify for subaru part support/contingency money is Group N....
Group N... where just to build an true-blue Group N Legal car you have to sell your firstborn... :rolleyes:
[i]just not sure you have the full scope of things here :) [/i]
| skuttledude | 01-15-2004 01:43 PM |
Sorry to hear about this...
I hope this is not the beginning of the end in pro-rally SCCA in open class.
Davis
I hope this is not the beginning of the end in pro-rally SCCA in open class.
Davis
| thechickencow | 01-15-2004 02:09 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subie Gal [/i]
[B]Privateers aren't benefiting from this.
the subaru clubrally contingency program has been in place for years now this is nothing new (PGT and Open class only) - and there are no changes as far as we've been told.
As for pro rally, the only class able to qualify for subaru part support/contingency money is Group N....
Group N... where just to build an true-blue Group N Legal car you have to sell your firstborn... :rolleyes:
[i]just not sure you have the full scope of things here :) [/i] [/B][/QUOTE]
The parts supply part is good though for those of you that rally subarus.
[B]Privateers aren't benefiting from this.
the subaru clubrally contingency program has been in place for years now this is nothing new (PGT and Open class only) - and there are no changes as far as we've been told.
As for pro rally, the only class able to qualify for subaru part support/contingency money is Group N....
Group N... where just to build an true-blue Group N Legal car you have to sell your firstborn... :rolleyes:
[i]just not sure you have the full scope of things here :) [/i] [/B][/QUOTE]
The parts supply part is good though for those of you that rally subarus.
| ElGranBan� | 01-15-2004 02:23 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subie Gal [/i]
[B][i]just not sure you have the full scope of things here :) [/i] [/B][/QUOTE]
nope, I sure don't. thats why I asked. ;)
[B][i]just not sure you have the full scope of things here :) [/i] [/B][/QUOTE]
nope, I sure don't. thats why I asked. ;)
| Subie Gal | 01-15-2004 02:33 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by thechickencow [/i]
[B]The parts supply part is good though for those of you that rally subarus. [/B][/QUOTE]
Subaru parts sponsorship is only available for [b]ProRally group n subaru's[/b] as far as has been stated thus far
[B]The parts supply part is good though for those of you that rally subarus. [/B][/QUOTE]
Subaru parts sponsorship is only available for [b]ProRally group n subaru's[/b] as far as has been stated thus far
| thechickencow | 01-15-2004 02:36 PM |
Jamie makes it sound like its the death of rallying in the US. I don't see it that way. You're still getting your contingencies. You will now have a subaru genuine parts truck at all of the events to help out when something breaks. I think thats a great step for them, showing they're still committed without putting unopposed factory teams in open class.
| Subie Gal | 01-15-2004 03:43 PM |
whoa hold on :)
i never said anything like that.
i just stated the privateers are not benefiting from this :)
SCCA Rally was here before the manufacturers...
and they've lasted without them.
ProRally isnt going anywhere.
just the face of it is changing yet again.
look at the mid 80's when we had wrc/olympus here...
then it got very quiet through the early 90's...
late 90's it picked up again with several big teams and names...
now seems quiet again. so what? :)
tis the cycle.
but it's not going anywhere.. not just yet anyway! :)
but i do feel i have to correct you...
[quote]You will now have a subaru genuine parts truck at all of the events [/quote]
ahhh that doesnt seem to be the case:
[quote]Subaru will provide a Subaru Rally Parts Support Truck on-site [COLOR=red] at most ProRally events[/COLOR] to offer competitors access to Genuine Subaru Parts.[/quote]
no club events
and not [i]all[/i] pro events.
and the truck will be there primarily
for the support of the Group N parts contingency no doubt...
but nice to know they will be there i think :confused:
J~
i never said anything like that.
i just stated the privateers are not benefiting from this :)
SCCA Rally was here before the manufacturers...
and they've lasted without them.
ProRally isnt going anywhere.
just the face of it is changing yet again.
look at the mid 80's when we had wrc/olympus here...
then it got very quiet through the early 90's...
late 90's it picked up again with several big teams and names...
now seems quiet again. so what? :)
tis the cycle.
but it's not going anywhere.. not just yet anyway! :)
but i do feel i have to correct you...
[quote]You will now have a subaru genuine parts truck at all of the events [/quote]
ahhh that doesnt seem to be the case:
[quote]Subaru will provide a Subaru Rally Parts Support Truck on-site [COLOR=red] at most ProRally events[/COLOR] to offer competitors access to Genuine Subaru Parts.[/quote]
no club events
and not [i]all[/i] pro events.
and the truck will be there primarily
for the support of the Group N parts contingency no doubt...
but nice to know they will be there i think :confused:
J~
| cowapult | 01-15-2004 03:54 PM |
I'm an outsider, but over the past couples years it sounded like a lot of the grassroots competitors were annoyed by how much sway the manufacturer's got and how everything was being swayed by "big business". Does anyone think this move will be a good thing in the sense that might put the focus back on the grassroots competitor for whom this club was founded?
Like I said, I'm just a spectator stirring up some controversy :)
Like I said, I'm just a spectator stirring up some controversy :)
| Clegg | 01-15-2004 04:37 PM |
I think its all good. 2004 seems to be the "time off" year for ProRally and WRC
only Mistu is the "new" mfg in WRC this year, with Skoda, and Hyundia essentially sitting out for much of it till next year. Hopefully we will see Hyundia, Mitsu, and hopefully some new Mfg's in Pro Rally in a year or 2.
Also the nasty swings of the economy seem to be taking the biggest toll on motorsports now... as the economy is supposed to be rebounding.
only Mistu is the "new" mfg in WRC this year, with Skoda, and Hyundia essentially sitting out for much of it till next year. Hopefully we will see Hyundia, Mitsu, and hopefully some new Mfg's in Pro Rally in a year or 2.
Also the nasty swings of the economy seem to be taking the biggest toll on motorsports now... as the economy is supposed to be rebounding.
| X1_SRT | 01-15-2004 05:05 PM |
so what does this mean for the suby team drivers?? it would be awesome if Ramana could get some sort of ride outside the u.s. he has such talent, i think he needs to be picked by some factory team. it would be nice if that team was subaru. i wonder if he could ride in PWRC Grp. N with guys like Arai, and Richard. i guess we'll have to wait and see.
-PJ
-PJ
| nKoan | 01-15-2004 05:54 PM |
I still can't decide if this is good or bad. I mean, if you win the Championship with no competitors, isn't it almost a waste of resourses?
Before the season started, we could already say that Subaru and a Subaru works driver was going to win the 2004 ProRally Open Class manufactures/drivers championship. Winning without competition just creates fodder for Subaru detractors and doesn't really add much for Subaru supporters.
Its going to suck seeing the factory teams gone, but I hope Ramana keeps going in some fashion (and Pasi too, unless he's heading back to SWRT).
Before the season started, we could already say that Subaru and a Subaru works driver was going to win the 2004 ProRally Open Class manufactures/drivers championship. Winning without competition just creates fodder for Subaru detractors and doesn't really add much for Subaru supporters.
Its going to suck seeing the factory teams gone, but I hope Ramana keeps going in some fashion (and Pasi too, unless he's heading back to SWRT).
| thechickencow | 01-15-2004 08:30 PM |
Jamie-
You no doubt have about 200 WRX'es at every rally you're at spectating that can qualify as your "parts truck".
You coming out to the midwest to rally at all this year?
You no doubt have about 200 WRX'es at every rally you're at spectating that can qualify as your "parts truck".
You coming out to the midwest to rally at all this year?
| carrera | 01-15-2004 08:51 PM |
Starting to sound like Porsche...the factory quits racing and starts building trucks:devil:
| wrrrx | 01-16-2004 07:19 AM |
It's very disappointing to me.:(
Being a newbie and all, I didn't get into ProRally until the Rex came out- and it was doubly cool cuz Subaru won that year!
Okay, true- the competition wasn't prepared for the Prodrive juggernaut, and people did bitch about it "ruining the sport", etc.. But I think factory-supported teams will only improve it and make it more popular.
2002 rocked too- sure, the RTUSA got beat, but it was at the hands of a privateer Subaru, run by "Diggins".
2003 sucked, for obvious reasons. In addt'n to Lovell's loss we had our arses handed to us by Diggins- in a factory Mitsu. Towards the end of the year, when RTUSA brought Pasi in, we looked strong again... ready for the next year.
[B]That's[/B] why I'm disappointed- it was shaping up to be a helluva fight!!
The timing for this isn't good- ProRally is/was gaining momentum, this is no time to stall.
I can't imagine Speed will even bother to cover the series now...
Russ R
Being a newbie and all, I didn't get into ProRally until the Rex came out- and it was doubly cool cuz Subaru won that year!
Okay, true- the competition wasn't prepared for the Prodrive juggernaut, and people did bitch about it "ruining the sport", etc.. But I think factory-supported teams will only improve it and make it more popular.
2002 rocked too- sure, the RTUSA got beat, but it was at the hands of a privateer Subaru, run by "Diggins".
2003 sucked, for obvious reasons. In addt'n to Lovell's loss we had our arses handed to us by Diggins- in a factory Mitsu. Towards the end of the year, when RTUSA brought Pasi in, we looked strong again... ready for the next year.
[B]That's[/B] why I'm disappointed- it was shaping up to be a helluva fight!!
The timing for this isn't good- ProRally is/was gaining momentum, this is no time to stall.
I can't imagine Speed will even bother to cover the series now...
Russ R
| ANZAC_1915 | 01-16-2004 10:42 AM |
Subaru and Mitsubishi (and also AFR) *PAID* Speed to cover it.
Speed would not have done it on their own. You need a sponsor to foot the advertising bill to pick it up.
Speed would not have done it on their own. You need a sponsor to foot the advertising bill to pick it up.
| Subie Gal | 01-16-2004 11:53 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by thechickencow [/i]
[B]Jamie-
You no doubt have about 200 WRX'es at every rally you're at spectating that can qualify as your "parts truck".
You coming out to the midwest to rally at all this year? [/B][/QUOTE]
it's looking like that's a yes :)
working on sponsorship/finances right now...
but planning on ojibwe and lspr if the season progresses well :)
:D
Jamie
[B]Jamie-
You no doubt have about 200 WRX'es at every rally you're at spectating that can qualify as your "parts truck".
You coming out to the midwest to rally at all this year? [/B][/QUOTE]
it's looking like that's a yes :)
working on sponsorship/finances right now...
but planning on ojibwe and lspr if the season progresses well :)
:D
Jamie
| wrrrx | 01-16-2004 02:52 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Glenn Wallace [/i]
[B]Subaru and Mitsubishi (and also AFR) *PAID* Speed to cover it.
Speed would not have done it on their own. You need a sponsor to foot the advertising bill to pick it up. [/B][/QUOTE]
True enough, Glenn... but that Air Force Reserve sponsorship might be the key...
Maybe we need more big-time sponsors for ProRally?!
<Flame suit; [B]ON[/B] !!> ;)
Sorry, just grousing- I hate having rally coverage reduced, no matter the reason,
RRR
[B]Subaru and Mitsubishi (and also AFR) *PAID* Speed to cover it.
Speed would not have done it on their own. You need a sponsor to foot the advertising bill to pick it up. [/B][/QUOTE]
True enough, Glenn... but that Air Force Reserve sponsorship might be the key...
Maybe we need more big-time sponsors for ProRally?!
<Flame suit; [B]ON[/B] !!> ;)
Sorry, just grousing- I hate having rally coverage reduced, no matter the reason,
RRR
| neverendingmods | 01-18-2004 12:38 AM |
A true disappointment. There was beginning to be talks of bringing WRC to the U.S. in the next few years. Prorally will lose some of it's spectating appeal w/o the factory sponsored cars no doubt. The closest to a WRC car was the open class cars in prorally. If Higgins sticks w/open class. He'll dominate a 3rd season straight. But what car?
edit-This is all Mitsubishi's fault:mad:
edit-This is all Mitsubishi's fault:mad:
| johnfelstead | 01-18-2004 09:01 AM |
Higgins isnt driving in Pro Rally in 2004.
It's not all Mitsubishi's fault. :rolleyes:
It's not all Mitsubishi's fault. :rolleyes:
| WRXedUSA | 01-18-2004 03:07 PM |
This, this is teh suck.
Just when it gets on a upswing, something like this happens.
I can see where Glenn/Jamie is coming from. What I'm thinking about is the teams, jobs, the drivers, Ranama & Pasi.
Maybe Pasi should have driven WRC in place of Mikko. This is a negative thing for sure. I will have to say, Mitsubishi has a share of the blame in my book.
damn. This sucks:mad:
Just when it gets on a upswing, something like this happens.
I can see where Glenn/Jamie is coming from. What I'm thinking about is the teams, jobs, the drivers, Ranama & Pasi.
Maybe Pasi should have driven WRC in place of Mikko. This is a negative thing for sure. I will have to say, Mitsubishi has a share of the blame in my book.
damn. This sucks:mad:
| cowapult | 01-18-2004 09:12 PM |
I think it sucks big time.
But, I think it's interesting that the sentiment on specialstage.com is very positive about these changes.
But, I think it's interesting that the sentiment on specialstage.com is very positive about these changes.
| Ferg | 01-18-2004 09:38 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by nKoan[/i]
[B]I mean, if you win the Championship with no competitors, isn't it almost a waste of resourses?[/B][/QUOTE]
What did Denis Jenkinson say...
[I]"I only care about who won a race when I know who finished second."[/I]
Something like that.
[B]I mean, if you win the Championship with no competitors, isn't it almost a waste of resourses?[/B][/QUOTE]
What did Denis Jenkinson say...
[I]"I only care about who won a race when I know who finished second."[/I]
Something like that.
| aspera | 01-24-2004 11:40 PM |
Crap! I planned my vacation so I could go see the works teams race.:lol:
Oh well. ClubRally cars are fun to watch too.
Oh well. ClubRally cars are fun to watch too.
| bcblues | 01-28-2004 09:55 AM |
The 2 driver limit in the WRC will also put some of the top drivers into the job market, so it is unlikely that there will be many opening in the European market, for the now looking ProRally drivers to slide into.
Who knows, this may be just the environment we need to see the next generation of top privateers get their wings.
Who knows, this may be just the environment we need to see the next generation of top privateers get their wings.
| aspera | 01-31-2004 08:31 PM |
So who are the privateers? Havir and Millen?
| neverendingmods | 01-31-2004 11:21 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]Higgins isnt driving in Pro Rally in 2004.
It's not all Mitsubishi's fault. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Per SOA-" Due to the lack of competition....we will not be....."
Believe what you want:rolleyes:
[B]Higgins isnt driving in Pro Rally in 2004.
It's not all Mitsubishi's fault. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]
Per SOA-" Due to the lack of competition....we will not be....."
Believe what you want:rolleyes:
| johnfelstead | 02-01-2004 12:55 PM |
why arent you blaming Hyundai? or chevvy, or porshe, or Rolls Royce? They arnt competing either.
To put the "blame" on Mitsubishi is rediculous.
To put the "blame" on Mitsubishi is rediculous.
| neverendingmods | 02-01-2004 11:23 PM |
Mitsubishi was Subaru's primary competition in U.S. pro rally in Open class. This is why Mitsubishi and Subaru tried to top each other by bringing the Evo and STi in the U.S. as well. Competition! Your location says England, ever been to a U.S pro rally. Mitsubishi and Subaru were the 2 fastest factory backed cars. Not to mention the technology was ahead of the privateers.(aside from when Higgins beat everybody as a privateer) Faster, more well built cars are more fun to watch. Why would one decide to race itself? Mentioning those other manufacturers is pointless. We're talking about 2004, not 1984. Times have changed yet again. I'm done.
| aspera | 02-01-2004 11:56 PM |
We can only hope that 2004, Year of the Privateer, has interesting racing.
Then we can hope that when the Works teams return, there are lots of them.
I'd like to see factory teams compete in a once-a-year event besides the ProRally schedule. That would lower the cost and allow more factory backed cars to compete. The whole thing hinges on glory. Youv'e got to have a glorious victory that you can use to sell your cars.
I hope Pike's Peak becomes that event. I want the factories to pull out all the stops and show us what they've got. Twin engined car? No prob! Welcome to Pike's Peak. Audi should be required to attend since they named a dang car after the race.
Then we can hope that when the Works teams return, there are lots of them.
I'd like to see factory teams compete in a once-a-year event besides the ProRally schedule. That would lower the cost and allow more factory backed cars to compete. The whole thing hinges on glory. Youv'e got to have a glorious victory that you can use to sell your cars.
I hope Pike's Peak becomes that event. I want the factories to pull out all the stops and show us what they've got. Twin engined car? No prob! Welcome to Pike's Peak. Audi should be required to attend since they named a dang car after the race.
| neverendingmods | 02-02-2004 12:22 AM |
Exactly. We'll see how things go. WRC has lots of changes going on aswell.
| johnfelstead | 02-02-2004 03:23 PM |
Have i been to a Pro Rally? Yes, i was at Rim Of The World in 2003 servicing on a PGT WRX. I know enough about Rallying in the USA thanks.
Sorry, but its rediculous to blame any other manufacturer for the fact Subaru decided not to compete. Do you expect a manufacturer to be there for ever just to keep you happy? The world doesnt work like that, never has, never will.
Sorry, but its rediculous to blame any other manufacturer for the fact Subaru decided not to compete. Do you expect a manufacturer to be there for ever just to keep you happy? The world doesnt work like that, never has, never will.
| mykrrrr | 02-10-2004 02:53 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by neverendingmods [/i]
[B]Your location says England, ever been to a U.S pro rally. Mitsubishi and Subaru were the 2 fastest factory backed cars. Not to mention the technology was ahead of the privateers.(aside from when Higgins beat everybody as a privateer) Faster, more well built cars are more fun to watch. Why would one decide to race itself? Mentioning those other manufacturers is pointless. We're talking about 2004, not 1984. Times have changed yet again. I'm done. [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: You obviously don't know John's background do you. :lol:
-mykr.
[B]Your location says England, ever been to a U.S pro rally. Mitsubishi and Subaru were the 2 fastest factory backed cars. Not to mention the technology was ahead of the privateers.(aside from when Higgins beat everybody as a privateer) Faster, more well built cars are more fun to watch. Why would one decide to race itself? Mentioning those other manufacturers is pointless. We're talking about 2004, not 1984. Times have changed yet again. I'm done. [/B][/QUOTE]
:lol: You obviously don't know John's background do you. :lol:
-mykr.
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