| decke003 | 08-04-2002 05:10 PM |
Vote for USA
Hey,
I doubt it will have any baring on the final dicision but at [url]www.wrc.com[/url] they are voting on which country should have a rally in the WRC, and at the present moment Mexico is in the lead. So all of you get off your arses and go vote for the USA!!! Hey it cant hurt right?
chris raymond
#826
I doubt it will have any baring on the final dicision but at [url]www.wrc.com[/url] they are voting on which country should have a rally in the WRC, and at the present moment Mexico is in the lead. So all of you get off your arses and go vote for the USA!!! Hey it cant hurt right?
chris raymond
#826
| Thug | 08-04-2002 05:55 PM |
Personally, I think Canada should get it. Their rallies are alot more together than ours and they alot less money hungry lawyers waiting to pounce on a chance to defend the first dumb specatator in the US to jump in front of a rally car.
| bone324 | 08-04-2002 09:23 PM |
Americans buy more than Canadians. That's why the WRC will come to the U.S. before Canada. Are there actually people up there?
| Thug | 08-04-2002 09:30 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by bone324 [/i]
[B]Americans buy more than Canadians. That's why the WRC will come to the U.S. before Canada. Are there actually people up there? [/B][/QUOTE]
There are way more spectators at Charlevoix(near Montreal) than there are at any US rally. Its also a real FIA rally that's almost a week long for competitors and has a true recce/pace note system.
[B]Americans buy more than Canadians. That's why the WRC will come to the U.S. before Canada. Are there actually people up there? [/B][/QUOTE]
There are way more spectators at Charlevoix(near Montreal) than there are at any US rally. Its also a real FIA rally that's almost a week long for competitors and has a true recce/pace note system.
| Habu | 08-05-2002 01:00 AM |
With the way SCCA has been handling rally lately, hell no.
VIVA MEXICO!!!
Tengo que volar!
Skippy
VIVA MEXICO!!!
Tengo que volar!
Skippy
| Thug | 08-05-2002 08:25 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by c172skipilot [/i]
[B]With the way SCCA has been handling rally lately, hell no.
VIVA MEXICO!!!
Tengo que volar!
Skippy [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, the hope is that the SCCA will get left out in the cold like a dog. Atleast when it comes to the "Pro" series. I think that might be best, because then maybe they would concentrate on Club Rally again instead of porking the little guy so Mitsubarundai(trademark=Jon Bogert) can put on a big show.
[B]With the way SCCA has been handling rally lately, hell no.
VIVA MEXICO!!!
Tengo que volar!
Skippy [/B][/QUOTE]
Well, the hope is that the SCCA will get left out in the cold like a dog. Atleast when it comes to the "Pro" series. I think that might be best, because then maybe they would concentrate on Club Rally again instead of porking the little guy so Mitsubarundai(trademark=Jon Bogert) can put on a big show.
| Rally1 | 08-05-2002 12:50 PM |
bump vote!
| panteedropper | 08-05-2002 01:30 PM |
the USA is winning right now!!!!
| Habu | 08-05-2002 07:06 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by y2k4door [/i]
[B]
Well, the hope is that the SCCA will get left out in the cold like a dog. Atleast when it comes to the "Pro" series. I think that might be best, because then maybe they would concentrate on Club Rally again instead of porking the little guy so Mitsubarundai(trademark=Jon Bogert) can put on a big show. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well guys don't get me wrongo, a USA event would be great, but you're right, SCCA needs to get their act together...
But for now, a Mexico event is a LOT closer to come to fruition than a US event, and I hope it does come to fruition. Hey ideal sitch would be a US [I]and[/I] Mexico rally. But for now...Mexico looks more likely, so I'm thankful for that! :D
Gotta fly!
Skippy
[B]
Well, the hope is that the SCCA will get left out in the cold like a dog. Atleast when it comes to the "Pro" series. I think that might be best, because then maybe they would concentrate on Club Rally again instead of porking the little guy so Mitsubarundai(trademark=Jon Bogert) can put on a big show. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well guys don't get me wrongo, a USA event would be great, but you're right, SCCA needs to get their act together...
But for now, a Mexico event is a LOT closer to come to fruition than a US event, and I hope it does come to fruition. Hey ideal sitch would be a US [I]and[/I] Mexico rally. But for now...Mexico looks more likely, so I'm thankful for that! :D
Gotta fly!
Skippy
| tifosi77 | 08-06-2002 01:18 AM |
Corona Rally in Leon Mexico is looking like it will be the next wrc event, to hell with the USA and the lawyers
| johnfelstead | 08-06-2002 07:11 AM |
We need another snow rally. I say make TBird the next event in the WRC. ;):lol:
I would think Canada has more chance than the USA or Mexico right now as there was talk of another snow event being added to the championship.
I would think Canada has more chance than the USA or Mexico right now as there was talk of another snow event being added to the championship.
| Thug | 08-06-2002 07:47 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by johnfelstead [/i]
[B]We need another snow rally. I say make TBird the next event in the WRC. ;):lol:
I would think Canada has more chance than the USA or Mexico right now as there was talk of another snow event being added to the championship. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yup. Charlevoix or Rallye de Quebec would be perfect. Charlevoix is huge and Rallye de Quebec certainly has a ton of snow as it is at the end of January/beginning of February. Though Im sure they could swap the two for the WRC if they wanted them to.
[B]We need another snow rally. I say make TBird the next event in the WRC. ;):lol:
I would think Canada has more chance than the USA or Mexico right now as there was talk of another snow event being added to the championship. [/B][/QUOTE]
Yup. Charlevoix or Rallye de Quebec would be perfect. Charlevoix is huge and Rallye de Quebec certainly has a ton of snow as it is at the end of January/beginning of February. Though Im sure they could swap the two for the WRC if they wanted them to.
| Idjiit | 08-06-2002 11:15 AM |
I voted Mexico when I first saw the poll. I would prefer to see it in Canada, since it would be a snow rally but I think Mexico is more likely.
For what it's worth, I would fly to Mexico to see a WRC event. My fiancee and I are planning on doing our honeymoon there anyway...
For what it's worth, I would fly to Mexico to see a WRC event. My fiancee and I are planning on doing our honeymoon there anyway...
| WHTWRX | 08-06-2002 06:04 PM |
Vote! Right now its 32% USA, 30% MEX, 30% CAN
Don't let our neighbors get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't let our neighbors get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| WRXMaster | 08-06-2002 06:09 PM |
Ok most of you I-clubbers are from america! Why the hell do you want it in Mexico (dump) or Canada (non populated)? I want rallying to get bigger in the US! Who cares what scca thinks? They wont be running it! Bringing the wrc would be the best thing for US rallying. YOu will get sponsors and companys involved. Rallying will now not be only for the few that have money.
| Idjiit | 08-06-2002 07:23 PM |
I want the rally in Mexico because it's the best candidate at this point. I mean, duh... I would [b]love[/b] to have a Rally in the US. But basically what would happen is no one would go, or some misguided environmentalists would lay down on the course in protest, and that would be it for Rallying in North America.
I would rather it be successful in Mexico or Canada than see it come to the US and then fail.
Needless to say, your view on Mexico and Canada as countries reflects poorly on your intellect. If I cared more, I would rip you a new one myself, but I'm sure the flame attack will begin shortly.
I would rather it be successful in Mexico or Canada than see it come to the US and then fail.
Needless to say, your view on Mexico and Canada as countries reflects poorly on your intellect. If I cared more, I would rip you a new one myself, but I'm sure the flame attack will begin shortly.
| WRXMaster | 08-06-2002 09:35 PM |
You see alot of you guys are negative. If americans have no problems with Indy cars racing in major citys streets, why should they have problems watching a rally race. No one would go??????Alot of people went to rim of the world rally and thats a club rally.
Idjiit, you must not talk to people very often.......... everyone I know has rally fever. "Needless to say, your view on Mexico and Canada as countries reflects poorly on your intellect. If I cared more, I would rip you a new one myself." Have you been to a WRC rally???? Probally not. I have seen it in the flesh and I am sure that if I am capible of watching it most americans are too. You probally havent left NorthAmerica, Please I was just joking about mexico and canada. I would rather have it here in my homeland and not diss it.
Idjiit, you must not talk to people very often.......... everyone I know has rally fever. "Needless to say, your view on Mexico and Canada as countries reflects poorly on your intellect. If I cared more, I would rip you a new one myself." Have you been to a WRC rally???? Probally not. I have seen it in the flesh and I am sure that if I am capible of watching it most americans are too. You probally havent left NorthAmerica, Please I was just joking about mexico and canada. I would rather have it here in my homeland and not diss it.
| MGXsport | 08-06-2002 09:48 PM |
Does anyone remember that the US has already had a WRC here?
Olympus Rally, Group B running around Mt. Olympus here in Washington.
I would like to see them back here again so I vote for the US.
Chris
Olympus Rally, Group B running around Mt. Olympus here in Washington.
I would like to see them back here again so I vote for the US.
Chris
| Thug | 08-06-2002 10:13 PM |
When you look at the # fans at the biggest Canadian rally it puts any US rally to shame. Especially when you consider the population difference. And that's in October, north of Montreal, where the weather isnt so nice at that time of year.
| WRXMaster | 08-06-2002 10:44 PM |
Motor trend poll: Most watched Motorsports in the US
1. Nascar
2. WRC- only shown on speed channel
3. F1
4. Cart
1. Nascar
2. WRC- only shown on speed channel
3. F1
4. Cart
| Robin2 | 08-06-2002 11:28 PM |
y2k4door,
Thanks for defending us poor canucks..... but it's is true.... Canada is far ahead in FIA standards than US rallies.....
Charlevoix Rally usually draws in over 30 000-40 000 spectators over the 3 days of rallying..... Even Quebec regional events (or club rallies) such as Rally of St-Agathe drew over 5000 spectators in a 1 day event....
For the Charlevoix rally, over the past 2 years, it's an FIA sanctionned 3 day event.... The committee for this event are full time employees and work through out the year to prepare it....
Here's the official site:
[url]http://www.rallye-charlevoix.com/[/url]
I did the 1400kms of recce (stages and transit) in 2001.... and the roads are amazing but tough also.... One of FIA observers, ex-FIA driver, said they were lovely.... (older finish guy)...
Quebec city would be ideal for a winter rally..... the roads are amazing.... I've attended both STPR and Maine.... and yes, the level of competition is much stiffer in the states and yes there's more entries than Canada..... but that doesn't matter to the FIA cause they'll give 30 or so spots for the factory teams and probably give another 30-60 spots for the privateers.... In other words, at the most there will be about 40 cars from US or Canada entered.... and they need to comply to FIA spec.... N1-N4, A1-A8 classing, etc.....
I don't care which country gets it..... as long we get one in North America gets one period.....
I see Mexico winning..... they already have huge backing by Corona....
Time will tell......
Robin
Thanks for defending us poor canucks..... but it's is true.... Canada is far ahead in FIA standards than US rallies.....
Charlevoix Rally usually draws in over 30 000-40 000 spectators over the 3 days of rallying..... Even Quebec regional events (or club rallies) such as Rally of St-Agathe drew over 5000 spectators in a 1 day event....
For the Charlevoix rally, over the past 2 years, it's an FIA sanctionned 3 day event.... The committee for this event are full time employees and work through out the year to prepare it....
Here's the official site:
[url]http://www.rallye-charlevoix.com/[/url]
I did the 1400kms of recce (stages and transit) in 2001.... and the roads are amazing but tough also.... One of FIA observers, ex-FIA driver, said they were lovely.... (older finish guy)...
Quebec city would be ideal for a winter rally..... the roads are amazing.... I've attended both STPR and Maine.... and yes, the level of competition is much stiffer in the states and yes there's more entries than Canada..... but that doesn't matter to the FIA cause they'll give 30 or so spots for the factory teams and probably give another 30-60 spots for the privateers.... In other words, at the most there will be about 40 cars from US or Canada entered.... and they need to comply to FIA spec.... N1-N4, A1-A8 classing, etc.....
I don't care which country gets it..... as long we get one in North America gets one period.....
I see Mexico winning..... they already have huge backing by Corona....
Time will tell......
Robin
| Robin2 | 08-06-2002 11:33 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MGXsport [/i]
[B]Does anyone remember that the US has already had a WRC here?
Olympus Rally, Group B running around Mt. Olympus here in Washington.
I would like to see them back here again so I vote for the US.
Chris [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually Canada a full fledge WRC events near Ottawa (all the WRC teams participating such as Lancia, Ford, Fiat)... In 1974, it was called the Rideau Lakes rally....
[url]http://www.worldrallying.info/results/world/1974/rideaulakes.shtml[/url]
Here where the results:
1. Munari / Mannucci Lancia Stratos 294.53 minutes
2. Lampinen / Davenport Lancia Beta Coupé 296.84 minutes
3. Boyce / Gray Toyota Celica 307.77 minutes
4. Billows / Campbell Ford Escort RS1600 316.84 minutes
5. Jones / Hathaway Datsun 510 SSS 321.17 minutes
6. Skowronnek / Woodlands Datsun 240Z 323.39 minutes
7. Racine / Poirier-Defoy Datsun 510 SSS 328.03 minutes
8. Smiskol / Smiskol Datsun 260Z 332.52 minutes
9. Thomas / Arthur Datsun 510 339.74 minutes
10. Whan / Pue-Christie Datsun 510 353.22 minutes
Robin
[B]Does anyone remember that the US has already had a WRC here?
Olympus Rally, Group B running around Mt. Olympus here in Washington.
I would like to see them back here again so I vote for the US.
Chris [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually Canada a full fledge WRC events near Ottawa (all the WRC teams participating such as Lancia, Ford, Fiat)... In 1974, it was called the Rideau Lakes rally....
[url]http://www.worldrallying.info/results/world/1974/rideaulakes.shtml[/url]
Here where the results:
1. Munari / Mannucci Lancia Stratos 294.53 minutes
2. Lampinen / Davenport Lancia Beta Coupé 296.84 minutes
3. Boyce / Gray Toyota Celica 307.77 minutes
4. Billows / Campbell Ford Escort RS1600 316.84 minutes
5. Jones / Hathaway Datsun 510 SSS 321.17 minutes
6. Skowronnek / Woodlands Datsun 240Z 323.39 minutes
7. Racine / Poirier-Defoy Datsun 510 SSS 328.03 minutes
8. Smiskol / Smiskol Datsun 260Z 332.52 minutes
9. Thomas / Arthur Datsun 510 339.74 minutes
10. Whan / Pue-Christie Datsun 510 353.22 minutes
Robin
| Thug | 08-07-2002 07:09 AM |
Robin,
No problem. Just calling it as I see it. I competed in Rallye de Quebec this year and I thought it was great. So much more professional than any of the 3 US rallies Ive been to or competed in. The roads were better also. I have some friends who have competed in Charlevoix and they say that it is even more amazing. I hope to do it some day.
-Nate
No problem. Just calling it as I see it. I competed in Rallye de Quebec this year and I thought it was great. So much more professional than any of the 3 US rallies Ive been to or competed in. The roads were better also. I have some friends who have competed in Charlevoix and they say that it is even more amazing. I hope to do it some day.
-Nate
| Idjiit | 08-07-2002 11:18 AM |
WRXMaster -
WRC, in terms of getting people to go to an event, will [b]never[/b] be as popular as NASCAR in America, which is what it would have to be in terms of it to make financial sense, imo. You can't try to draw comparisons between the US and other countries. In terms of square footage, the number of WRC fans per capita, per square foot of land mass... :lol:
What I'm trying to say is that the number of fans in the US who will actually be able to travel to an event and watch it in person is very low. One of the reasons the turnout at WRC events is so good stems from the fact that people can actually [b]get[/b] to the event.
How many Californians are going travel to Tennessee to see a WRC - something that spans over three [b]days[/b] instead of 3 [b]hours[/b]? Only the hardcore folks [b]with money[/b]. WRC in the US has a huge uphill battle to wage.
I guess one of the questions about the success of WRC in the US (as spectator sport) would be: Who is the audience? Every Subaru WRX owner in the US? People who are currently into NASCAR? Does anyone honestly think that NASCAR fans are going to hike 5 miles into a stage to get gravel spit in their face? After they've been used to sitting on their asses eating hot dogs and pounding Budweisers? Yeah right.
WRC, in terms of getting people to go to an event, will [b]never[/b] be as popular as NASCAR in America, which is what it would have to be in terms of it to make financial sense, imo. You can't try to draw comparisons between the US and other countries. In terms of square footage, the number of WRC fans per capita, per square foot of land mass... :lol:
What I'm trying to say is that the number of fans in the US who will actually be able to travel to an event and watch it in person is very low. One of the reasons the turnout at WRC events is so good stems from the fact that people can actually [b]get[/b] to the event.
How many Californians are going travel to Tennessee to see a WRC - something that spans over three [b]days[/b] instead of 3 [b]hours[/b]? Only the hardcore folks [b]with money[/b]. WRC in the US has a huge uphill battle to wage.
I guess one of the questions about the success of WRC in the US (as spectator sport) would be: Who is the audience? Every Subaru WRX owner in the US? People who are currently into NASCAR? Does anyone honestly think that NASCAR fans are going to hike 5 miles into a stage to get gravel spit in their face? After they've been used to sitting on their asses eating hot dogs and pounding Budweisers? Yeah right.
| WRXMaster | 08-07-2002 11:38 AM |
You see your being judgemental and probally dont talk to nascar people. I have talked to alot of nascar friends and they love world rally. Its kind of weird that nascar not on cable was almost beat out by wrc. WRC is only shown on digital cable and is second most watched motorsport in the US. Its just common sense that people like wrc. I ask people at work if they have seen it? They all reply yes that is so awsome its only on speed channel though. If you bring it they will come and who wants to watch cars go around in circles for 3 hours?
I am young and so are my friends. I am 20 years old and people my age are ps2 freaks. We all know about wrc and love it.
I am young and so are my friends. I am 20 years old and people my age are ps2 freaks. We all know about wrc and love it.
| Idjiit | 08-07-2002 12:23 PM |
No one is doubting that WRC is "popular" in America. You're not getting the point.
Okay, you're 20. You live in Santa Monica. You're telling me that you've got the cash to buy a ticket to Chattanooga, rent a car, get a hotel room and feed yourself for 3 days?
And I'm not being judgemental. I live in NC, NASCARville. I've been to the local races, I think I've got a good handle on how the [b]majority[/b] of NASCAR fans want to watch an event. Sure, you'll get a small percentage of fans who will make the switch, no doubt.
I don't care how popular the TV coverage is. That's not what we're talking about, entirely. Am I barking up the wrong tree? Will it be okay if only 1000 people show up to watch the Rally? Is it only the TV sponership that matters? I don't know.
Okay, you're 20. You live in Santa Monica. You're telling me that you've got the cash to buy a ticket to Chattanooga, rent a car, get a hotel room and feed yourself for 3 days?
And I'm not being judgemental. I live in NC, NASCARville. I've been to the local races, I think I've got a good handle on how the [b]majority[/b] of NASCAR fans want to watch an event. Sure, you'll get a small percentage of fans who will make the switch, no doubt.
I don't care how popular the TV coverage is. That's not what we're talking about, entirely. Am I barking up the wrong tree? Will it be okay if only 1000 people show up to watch the Rally? Is it only the TV sponership that matters? I don't know.
| WRXMaster | 08-07-2002 05:21 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Idjiit [/i]
[B]No one is doubting that WRC is "popular" in America. You're not getting the point.
Okay, you're 20. You live in Santa Monica. You're telling me that you've got the cash to buy a ticket to Chattanooga, rent a car, get a hotel room and feed yourself for 3 days?
First off I will get in my car and drive there! Why would I rent a car? I live in the US. Hotels are freaking cheap! If I didnt have cash I would pitch a tent. Nascar people will bring their motorhomes. I would rather watch it in real life then watch the crappy brodcasts on speedchannel. I am sure alot of americans feel the same way as me.
ps I am 20 and can afford it, I am sure others can.
[B]No one is doubting that WRC is "popular" in America. You're not getting the point.
Okay, you're 20. You live in Santa Monica. You're telling me that you've got the cash to buy a ticket to Chattanooga, rent a car, get a hotel room and feed yourself for 3 days?
First off I will get in my car and drive there! Why would I rent a car? I live in the US. Hotels are freaking cheap! If I didnt have cash I would pitch a tent. Nascar people will bring their motorhomes. I would rather watch it in real life then watch the crappy brodcasts on speedchannel. I am sure alot of americans feel the same way as me.
ps I am 20 and can afford it, I am sure others can.
| dwx | 08-07-2002 05:22 PM |
I think the Corona Rally is the most likely event in NA to become a WRC event at this point. Just the fact that Peugeot sent over Rovanpera to run in it this year means alot... And it has a huge well-known sponsor already.
| Idjiit | 08-07-2002 07:37 PM |
WRXMaster -
You are the minority. Way minority. You're twenty and you drive a WRX, that says enough I think. I'm not trying to be insulting here, but... get a little perspective on how the rest of America lives. For a lot of race fans, it's a stretch to afford digital cable, much less tickets to fly across the country, or pay for gas there and back.
Am I totally out of line here? Maybe someone needs to give [b]me[/b] some perspective (always a good thing).
You are the minority. Way minority. You're twenty and you drive a WRX, that says enough I think. I'm not trying to be insulting here, but... get a little perspective on how the rest of America lives. For a lot of race fans, it's a stretch to afford digital cable, much less tickets to fly across the country, or pay for gas there and back.
Am I totally out of line here? Maybe someone needs to give [b]me[/b] some perspective (always a good thing).
| LordBass | 08-07-2002 10:07 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dwx [/i]
[B]I think the Corona Rally is the most likely event in NA to become a WRC event at this point. Just the fact that Peugeot sent over Rovanpera to run in it this year means alot... [/B][/QUOTE]Ah, ya beat me to it. Rally XS magazine (UK) had a great article in the June/July issue (I'm looking at it right now) about Peugeot's trip to Mexico. I'm sure the FIA was right behind them (or in 1st class) on this trip. My guess is Mexico, then Canada, then the US.
Personally, I don't give a damn if the US gets a round. I'd rather see it go to Canada who I think is more deserving, since at least the eastern 1/3 of Canada is much more in tune with Europe than we are. The Charlevoix rally has a great rep. I've considered going, tho an 8 hour drive is currently in my way, and yo no hablo francais..
I've attended Maine three years in a row now. While the turnout is decent, I always get the "you're going to a [I]what??[/I]" when I tell people I'm going to an auto rally. Tho I've had many non-enthusiats tell me this year that they've seen WRC on Speed (only becuase of the much expanded coverage), NASCRAP "own3s" the US, and this will not change, especially with the passing of the "3". It's merely "how it is" in America.
I don't want WRC to come here and fail either, so my preference goes Canada, then Mexico, then the US.
BTW, Peugeot won in Mexico by just under one hour. :)
lb
[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
[B]I think the Corona Rally is the most likely event in NA to become a WRC event at this point. Just the fact that Peugeot sent over Rovanpera to run in it this year means alot... [/B][/QUOTE]Ah, ya beat me to it. Rally XS magazine (UK) had a great article in the June/July issue (I'm looking at it right now) about Peugeot's trip to Mexico. I'm sure the FIA was right behind them (or in 1st class) on this trip. My guess is Mexico, then Canada, then the US.
Personally, I don't give a damn if the US gets a round. I'd rather see it go to Canada who I think is more deserving, since at least the eastern 1/3 of Canada is much more in tune with Europe than we are. The Charlevoix rally has a great rep. I've considered going, tho an 8 hour drive is currently in my way, and yo no hablo francais..
I've attended Maine three years in a row now. While the turnout is decent, I always get the "you're going to a [I]what??[/I]" when I tell people I'm going to an auto rally. Tho I've had many non-enthusiats tell me this year that they've seen WRC on Speed (only becuase of the much expanded coverage), NASCRAP "own3s" the US, and this will not change, especially with the passing of the "3". It's merely "how it is" in America.
I don't want WRC to come here and fail either, so my preference goes Canada, then Mexico, then the US.
BTW, Peugeot won in Mexico by just under one hour. :)
lb
[url]www.trancelab.com[/url]
| WRXMaster | 08-08-2002 12:17 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Idjiit [/i]
[B]WRXMaster -
You are the minority. Way minority. You're twenty and you drive a WRX, that says enough I think. I'm not trying to be insulting here, but... get a little perspective on how the rest of America lives. For a lot of race fans, it's a stretch to afford digital cable, much less tickets to fly across the country, or pay for gas there and back.
Am I totally out of line here? Maybe someone needs to give [b]me[/b] some perspective (always a good thing). [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes I am 20 and own a wrx.............. I bought it with my own money. Everyone and I mean everyone I talk to is talking about wrc. I hang around college people and its very popular. Your right alot of americans cant own digital cable. Thats why its weird that 2nd most watched motorsport in america is wrc? My point exactly. Does it matter how rallys are run in other countries? The FIA runs it! America has alot of resources and money. It also shows on wrc that more people want it in America.
ps mexican rally had FIA rules.............. 206 is a FIA CAR........Prorally doesnt use FIA rules
[B]WRXMaster -
You are the minority. Way minority. You're twenty and you drive a WRX, that says enough I think. I'm not trying to be insulting here, but... get a little perspective on how the rest of America lives. For a lot of race fans, it's a stretch to afford digital cable, much less tickets to fly across the country, or pay for gas there and back.
Am I totally out of line here? Maybe someone needs to give [b]me[/b] some perspective (always a good thing). [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes I am 20 and own a wrx.............. I bought it with my own money. Everyone and I mean everyone I talk to is talking about wrc. I hang around college people and its very popular. Your right alot of americans cant own digital cable. Thats why its weird that 2nd most watched motorsport in america is wrc? My point exactly. Does it matter how rallys are run in other countries? The FIA runs it! America has alot of resources and money. It also shows on wrc that more people want it in America.
ps mexican rally had FIA rules.............. 206 is a FIA CAR........Prorally doesnt use FIA rules
| jesse370 | 08-08-2002 11:08 AM |
I think for the us to get a rally they would need to get rid of the scca running things. Or at least let some trained chimps take a shot at running things a little bigger. I've gone to the stpr for 5 years in a row now and I think one of the biggest things standing it its way is not a ton of people know about it. This year one of the better spectator points for the day was gone, so they had to pack one spectator point with enough people to fill two! With some better advertising and more than like 5 spectator points per rally might help a little too. I would have to agree I've seen some tapes of canadian rallies and I think it would make for a great event. BUT I like gravel and tarmac more then snow.:rolleyes:
| AndyRoo | 08-08-2002 11:11 AM |
My take on this discussion:
A WRC event in North America would be cool and would raise awareness and all that regardless of what country it is in.
I would love an event in the USA, in Maryland, right in front of my house. Realistically, however, the only big rally I'd ever be able to attend would be the Susquehannock trail rally in PA. Even Tennessee would be a stretch. Thats about the only potential WRC event i'd likely attend for a few years. Getting fans to fly to Oregon for a WRC event is gonna be hard to do.
And the WRC is not as popular as some think. I go to a high school. I'd say about 5 or 6 kids max (out of 2000) have heard of the WRC, and thats because of me. One or two would think about going to Susquehannock with me. People have heard of rallying, yes, but there are very few hardcore WRC fans.
I know of no person that i can carry a conversation with about the WRC (in person).
So you pretty much have to do it in a big rally area to get a lotta peole to come. Maybe the Northwest, which sucks for me.
A WRC event in North America would be cool and would raise awareness and all that regardless of what country it is in.
I would love an event in the USA, in Maryland, right in front of my house. Realistically, however, the only big rally I'd ever be able to attend would be the Susquehannock trail rally in PA. Even Tennessee would be a stretch. Thats about the only potential WRC event i'd likely attend for a few years. Getting fans to fly to Oregon for a WRC event is gonna be hard to do.
And the WRC is not as popular as some think. I go to a high school. I'd say about 5 or 6 kids max (out of 2000) have heard of the WRC, and thats because of me. One or two would think about going to Susquehannock with me. People have heard of rallying, yes, but there are very few hardcore WRC fans.
I know of no person that i can carry a conversation with about the WRC (in person).
So you pretty much have to do it in a big rally area to get a lotta peole to come. Maybe the Northwest, which sucks for me.
| DCRallyDave | 08-08-2002 01:59 PM |
US is not worthy, Canada baby!
No rally in the US deserves it. Been there, done them.
Charlevoix and Rally de Quebec are both excellent choices. Been there, done them.
Why vote for US when it has no chance of getting it? SCCA has it all screwed up.
Dave Shindle
US and CDN National licensed compeitor
(US citizen having to travel to Canada for worthy rallies to compete in, rally in US only because they are there)
Charlevoix and Rally de Quebec are both excellent choices. Been there, done them.
Why vote for US when it has no chance of getting it? SCCA has it all screwed up.
Dave Shindle
US and CDN National licensed compeitor
(US citizen having to travel to Canada for worthy rallies to compete in, rally in US only because they are there)
| Mike M | 08-08-2002 04:57 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Idjiit [/i]
[B]WRXMaster -
You are the minority. Way minority. You're twenty and you drive a WRX, that says enough I think. I'm not trying to be insulting here, but... get a little perspective on how the rest of America lives. For a lot of race fans, it's a stretch to afford digital cable, much less tickets to fly across the country, or pay for gas there and back.
Am I totally out of line here? Maybe someone needs to give [b]me[/b] some perspective (always a good thing). [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm with you, Idjit. At 30 years old, and with a fixed number of days off from work each year, I know I would have a hard time justifying the time for a three day event plus travel time. Hell, I'm in Illinois, and I haven't been able to find the time to make any of a number of Pro and Club Rallies that are within a fairly easy drive.
It's not even really a matter of cost, althought that's always a factor. If I were 20, single, and didn't own a home, it might be different. Of course, if those conditions were true, I also probably wouldn't have my Subaru! :lol:
I think the USGP is a good example to illustrate the point. Because the draw from the West Coast has been so low, there has been ongoing talk of adding a second USGP in someplace like San Francisco. Now, if people won't travel to see world class motorsports in a one (or two) day format on the weekend, how many are really going to travel for a three day event that they won't even be able to see much of?
[B]WRXMaster -
You are the minority. Way minority. You're twenty and you drive a WRX, that says enough I think. I'm not trying to be insulting here, but... get a little perspective on how the rest of America lives. For a lot of race fans, it's a stretch to afford digital cable, much less tickets to fly across the country, or pay for gas there and back.
Am I totally out of line here? Maybe someone needs to give [b]me[/b] some perspective (always a good thing). [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm with you, Idjit. At 30 years old, and with a fixed number of days off from work each year, I know I would have a hard time justifying the time for a three day event plus travel time. Hell, I'm in Illinois, and I haven't been able to find the time to make any of a number of Pro and Club Rallies that are within a fairly easy drive.
It's not even really a matter of cost, althought that's always a factor. If I were 20, single, and didn't own a home, it might be different. Of course, if those conditions were true, I also probably wouldn't have my Subaru! :lol:
I think the USGP is a good example to illustrate the point. Because the draw from the West Coast has been so low, there has been ongoing talk of adding a second USGP in someplace like San Francisco. Now, if people won't travel to see world class motorsports in a one (or two) day format on the weekend, how many are really going to travel for a three day event that they won't even be able to see much of?
| Idjiit | 08-09-2002 03:22 PM |
I'd like to see some comments/perspective from some people who have a better idea than we do about what it takes for a "successful" rally, in the WRC sense. I'm just making the assumption that spectator turnout is a factor - maybe I'm totally offbase here.
It seems like the event needs to be profitable for the organizers somehow. Seems like the most common way to pay for a Rally is sponsorship. Is it sufficient to have the only brand exposure to occur on the television broadcasts? My gut says no. Seems like corporations are more likely to sponsor an event where they know 300,000 people are going to be sitting still for hours on end (re: NASCAR).
It seems like the event needs to be profitable for the organizers somehow. Seems like the most common way to pay for a Rally is sponsorship. Is it sufficient to have the only brand exposure to occur on the television broadcasts? My gut says no. Seems like corporations are more likely to sponsor an event where they know 300,000 people are going to be sitting still for hours on end (re: NASCAR).
| Habu | 08-10-2002 04:12 PM |
Idjiit,
I'm right there with you man, no offense to WRXMaster, but you're right, he [I]is[/I] in the vast minority. When I was 20, I didn't have the resources to do that, i.e. own a 25,000 car, that I paid with my own money, and be able to just take off for 3-5 days, pay for gas and/or hotel, food, and incideantal purchases. And I'm almost positive that I'm not the only one. And again, Mr. Santa Monica, no offense, but you're damn lucky you're able to afford all these things, I'm happy for you. But if you say that WRC is becoming as popular with your crowd as you say, then the vast majority if them aren't as lucky as you. Maybe those in your immediate circle of friends, and thus your demographic. But to think that represents a viable cross-section of rally fans in your age group, would be a big mistake.
Now I'm not that much older than you at 25, but believe me, being able to afford trips like this, has taken me a long time to acquire the resources. I am positive I can do things at 25 that I couldn't do at 20. And I'm even lucky myself as I probably do thingd like this that most contemporary 25 year olds do. It shows a lot about your relative naivete at your age. You might hate me for saying that, but it's true, I was just like you at your age, with people, not much older than me telling me the exact same thing....and you know what? After fighting tooth and nail....I found out they were right after all.
OK..nuff of that....in the NASCRAP type deal...
After having talks with organisers from the ARSG, and my own synposes, I agree with you idjiit, and so do the organisers. There is still much risk involed from an organiser's point of view. Winston knows they can pack 300,000 plus people into an oval track to watch NASCRAP, so there's no risk for them. Sadly, the viability of Winston Cup has been proven, and they advertisers and organisers know they can make their money back and much, much more. Rally in the US hasn't gotten to that level yet. As a matter of fact I hop upon hope it never does get to the level of NASCRAP. I want to see true rally fans at a WRC event, not just people that want to go to the latest social craze. The big question is:
Are there enough people. true fans that will come to the events to make it viable for the organisers ans sponsors to at least break even? That is still in question.....
In places like Greece, Cyprus, even Kenya, where rally has a long heritage, there is no question, they know they can put on a viable, money making event safely. So there is little to no risk.
In Mexico....that isn't sich a big question, the Mexican organisers know they can get the draw. It's now a matter of convicing the FIA of it.
And as far as I'm concerned, if they do, then we get a NA WRC event, and I like I hope many of you, are happy.
Gotta fly!
Skippy
I'm right there with you man, no offense to WRXMaster, but you're right, he [I]is[/I] in the vast minority. When I was 20, I didn't have the resources to do that, i.e. own a 25,000 car, that I paid with my own money, and be able to just take off for 3-5 days, pay for gas and/or hotel, food, and incideantal purchases. And I'm almost positive that I'm not the only one. And again, Mr. Santa Monica, no offense, but you're damn lucky you're able to afford all these things, I'm happy for you. But if you say that WRC is becoming as popular with your crowd as you say, then the vast majority if them aren't as lucky as you. Maybe those in your immediate circle of friends, and thus your demographic. But to think that represents a viable cross-section of rally fans in your age group, would be a big mistake.
Now I'm not that much older than you at 25, but believe me, being able to afford trips like this, has taken me a long time to acquire the resources. I am positive I can do things at 25 that I couldn't do at 20. And I'm even lucky myself as I probably do thingd like this that most contemporary 25 year olds do. It shows a lot about your relative naivete at your age. You might hate me for saying that, but it's true, I was just like you at your age, with people, not much older than me telling me the exact same thing....and you know what? After fighting tooth and nail....I found out they were right after all.
OK..nuff of that....in the NASCRAP type deal...
After having talks with organisers from the ARSG, and my own synposes, I agree with you idjiit, and so do the organisers. There is still much risk involed from an organiser's point of view. Winston knows they can pack 300,000 plus people into an oval track to watch NASCRAP, so there's no risk for them. Sadly, the viability of Winston Cup has been proven, and they advertisers and organisers know they can make their money back and much, much more. Rally in the US hasn't gotten to that level yet. As a matter of fact I hop upon hope it never does get to the level of NASCRAP. I want to see true rally fans at a WRC event, not just people that want to go to the latest social craze. The big question is:
Are there enough people. true fans that will come to the events to make it viable for the organisers ans sponsors to at least break even? That is still in question.....
In places like Greece, Cyprus, even Kenya, where rally has a long heritage, there is no question, they know they can put on a viable, money making event safely. So there is little to no risk.
In Mexico....that isn't sich a big question, the Mexican organisers know they can get the draw. It's now a matter of convicing the FIA of it.
And as far as I'm concerned, if they do, then we get a NA WRC event, and I like I hope many of you, are happy.
Gotta fly!
Skippy
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