| z3coupe | 08-09-2004 01:52 AM |
VW R32 vs STi in Solo II???
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Even though I like my STi, I got to admit, I have always liked the looks of the Golf GTi. And this R32 sounds like one hell of a car. Has anyone tried one yet? Any running in Solo II? What class would it be in?
Also, as VW and Audi are the same company, and as the old A4 was pretty much the Passat in many ways, is the R32 a rebadged Audi A3?
Also, as VW and Audi are the same company, and as the old A4 was pretty much the Passat in many ways, is the R32 a rebadged Audi A3?
| LOLSTi | 08-09-2004 03:32 AM |
It uses the same AWD design, thats about the extent of my (b0rked) knowledge.
EDIT: OK it doesn't nevermind. :)
EDIT: OK it doesn't nevermind. :)
| fogdor | 08-09-2004 03:38 AM |
FWIW, I think the R32 uses the same type of Haldex AWD system as that used in the Audi TT, -NOT- the Quattro system used in all other Audi cars. I think Volvo uses the Haldex system as well. The Haldex is purely electronically controlled.
EDIT: Damn I love google! [url]http://www.haldex.com/index_main.asp?f=/business/traction.asp%3f[/url]
EDIT2: The only comparative article on the R32, Evo, and STi - [url]http://vortex3.rely.net/artman/publish/article_330.shtml?page=1[/url]
EDIT: Damn I love google! [url]http://www.haldex.com/index_main.asp?f=/business/traction.asp%3f[/url]
EDIT2: The only comparative article on the R32, Evo, and STi - [url]http://vortex3.rely.net/artman/publish/article_330.shtml?page=1[/url]
| z3coupe | 08-09-2004 07:15 AM |
THANKS for that link!!!!!!! That was quite interesting and informative. It seems that the R32 is not too shabby, just was hosed down by the crappy tires. Of course the STi and EVO beat it, but if the R32 is placed in other than AS (would it be in STS maybe???), it might be a good car to run (with some much better tires too). Trying to run a 4 door sedan (even IF its an STi or EVO) up against S2000's or C5 Vettes is kinda hard.
Maybe its just me, but I seem to have done much better in my old STX WRX than I am currently doing in the STi - but it is completely bone stock at the moment except for Kumo MX tires (did I make a mistake getting rid of the RE's????) (oh, and in our region we have a REAL street tire class as well as the "R" stock classes) and a Prodrive rear muffler.
Maybe its just me, but I seem to have done much better in my old STX WRX than I am currently doing in the STi - but it is completely bone stock at the moment except for Kumo MX tires (did I make a mistake getting rid of the RE's????) (oh, and in our region we have a REAL street tire class as well as the "R" stock classes) and a Prodrive rear muffler.
| bbimpreza | 08-09-2004 07:44 AM |
One of my friends races a R32 in the Detroit area. She really likes how it handles and she is pretty fast in it too. I was able to drive it for a run at a local event, and the one thing I noticed about the car is that it likes to understeer. It is also pretty heavy. The car is currently classed in DS, and probably would be okay in STX due to the 3.2l.
| leecea | 08-09-2004 08:38 AM |
I haven't seen one driven by a good driver on r-tires, but I think they are expensive: AS money for a DS car!
| MattDell | 08-09-2004 08:50 AM |
[QUOTE]1 STS 228 Matt Dell Subaru Impreza 48.397
13 BS 129 Alex Vertiz VW Golf R32 52.272[/QUOTE]
This is the result of the last Auto-X against an R32. He was competing in BS and was 4 seconds slower than my 2.5RS.
-Matt
13 BS 129 Alex Vertiz VW Golf R32 52.272[/QUOTE]
This is the result of the last Auto-X against an R32. He was competing in BS and was 4 seconds slower than my 2.5RS.
-Matt
| trojan9x | 08-09-2004 09:08 AM |
This past weekend, we had an R32 running in AS with some STi's.
I believe it took 3rd behind two STi's.
All of them were newbies and on stock tires. It was just a little over 1 sec. behind 2nd.
With the right driver, it will be a very capable car.
*edit* to compare, I ran 1.8 seconds faster than the 1st place STi in STS (pro class)
I believe it took 3rd behind two STi's.
All of them were newbies and on stock tires. It was just a little over 1 sec. behind 2nd.
With the right driver, it will be a very capable car.
*edit* to compare, I ran 1.8 seconds faster than the 1st place STi in STS (pro class)
| dwx | 08-09-2004 09:12 AM |
They seem okay, very torquey cars, but they are just too heavy.
A STX WRX would still beat an STX R32, imho.
A good driver in a STI or EVO would absolutely trounce a good driver in a R32.
A bone stock STI is about the same speed on an autox course as the most well prepped STX car I've driven. Unless you got the Kuhmo MXs shaved, the RE070s are probably better.
A STX WRX would still beat an STX R32, imho.
A good driver in a STI or EVO would absolutely trounce a good driver in a R32.
A bone stock STI is about the same speed on an autox course as the most well prepped STX car I've driven. Unless you got the Kuhmo MXs shaved, the RE070s are probably better.
| travmn | 08-09-2004 09:20 AM |
[QUOTE=fogdor]EDIT2: The only comparative article on the R32, Evo, and STi - [url]http://vortex3.rely.net/artman/publish/article_330.shtml?page=1[/url][/QUOTE]
IIRC, they softened the suspension from the version we used in that comparison, so the comparitive information may not be as accurate anymore.
The R32 is heavy and isn't quite in the same ballpark. A good driver could possibly due well with the car, but given the changes in the new 05 sti, the gap is probably widening a little bit. BTW, has anyone taken a new 05 sti to an auto-x yet? Just curious how it compares to having an 04 out there.
IIRC, they softened the suspension from the version we used in that comparison, so the comparitive information may not be as accurate anymore.
The R32 is heavy and isn't quite in the same ballpark. A good driver could possibly due well with the car, but given the changes in the new 05 sti, the gap is probably widening a little bit. BTW, has anyone taken a new 05 sti to an auto-x yet? Just curious how it compares to having an 04 out there.
| Scooby Freak | 08-09-2004 09:21 AM |
[QUOTE=trojan9x]This past weekend, we had an R32 running in AS with some STi's.[/QUOTE]
I was wondering about that yesterday. Last time he ran, they put him in DS. I thought he was supposed to be in DS until I looked at the times. Now I think it can run with the STI's & EVO's with tires & an good driver.
I was wondering about that yesterday. Last time he ran, they put him in DS. I thought he was supposed to be in DS until I looked at the times. Now I think it can run with the STI's & EVO's with tires & an good driver.
| WRX_Mundi | 08-09-2004 10:35 AM |
It sure doesn't look like the R32 is as fast as the STi/Evo. Obviously the choice of DS vs. AS gives something away in the opinion of the SEB. Most magazing articles start out with a caveat something like "to get this out right away, no, it's not as fast as the STi or Evo." They're not autocrossing though.
At the Wendover Pro, a non-local showed up in one on Kumhos and managed 8 out of 10, ahead of the SRT-4s, but behind the Acuras and BMW 330s. Admittedly I have no idea of the skill level, and the DS guys are really very good (e.g. Ron Bauer, Glen Hernandex, Kevin Youngers). My ESP STi (somewhat prepared, on 225/45 Hoosiers, needs another $20k for national level prep, 2nd year autoxing) beat the DS leader by 1.4 seconds and the R32 by 4.5s. Note that the STX leader beat my raw time, so I'm not sure you can derive anything hard from this. The course definitely rewarded power.
At the local level, a good former Miata driver who I think is a better driver than I am (and more experience), has bought an R32 to run in STX. He did quite well in a few races in another region -- at the top of the PAX chart. At the two-day event we attended together my STi on literally corded Kumho Ecstas beat him by 2-2.5s out of 40 each day. Some of that is obviously R-vs-street tires, but that's still a big win in PAX. Even if the STi went to BSP it would have still won (barely). Again, this is only two local races, so who knows for sure.
At the Wendover Pro, a non-local showed up in one on Kumhos and managed 8 out of 10, ahead of the SRT-4s, but behind the Acuras and BMW 330s. Admittedly I have no idea of the skill level, and the DS guys are really very good (e.g. Ron Bauer, Glen Hernandex, Kevin Youngers). My ESP STi (somewhat prepared, on 225/45 Hoosiers, needs another $20k for national level prep, 2nd year autoxing) beat the DS leader by 1.4 seconds and the R32 by 4.5s. Note that the STX leader beat my raw time, so I'm not sure you can derive anything hard from this. The course definitely rewarded power.
At the local level, a good former Miata driver who I think is a better driver than I am (and more experience), has bought an R32 to run in STX. He did quite well in a few races in another region -- at the top of the PAX chart. At the two-day event we attended together my STi on literally corded Kumho Ecstas beat him by 2-2.5s out of 40 each day. Some of that is obviously R-vs-street tires, but that's still a big win in PAX. Even if the STi went to BSP it would have still won (barely). Again, this is only two local races, so who knows for sure.
| ColinL | 08-09-2004 10:41 AM |
I drove an R32 and didn't think it was that powerful. the engine didn't feel near as stout as my old E36 M3; it did have considerably more punch below 3,500 rpm but it's just dead up top whereas the M3 sang to 6,750. you can really feel the weight, too.
there's a huge thread in General right now about the R32. I'm not sure who has won the pissing contest yet :lol: but you can draw your own conclusions. if we keep this discussion strictly limited to the motorsport sense, considering that's what this forum is for, it might be reasonably competitive in DS or STX but I'd rather have a WRX.
there's a huge thread in General right now about the R32. I'm not sure who has won the pissing contest yet :lol: but you can draw your own conclusions. if we keep this discussion strictly limited to the motorsport sense, considering that's what this forum is for, it might be reasonably competitive in DS or STX but I'd rather have a WRX.
| wrx2.0 555 | 08-09-2004 11:07 AM |
1. 19/STX SCOTT STRICKLAND 02 SUBA WRX > 45.827
5. 24/STX ROY SPRAGUE 04 VW GOLF R32 > 49.721
1. 21/STX MIKE KING, PRO 04 Subaru WRX > 54.200
2. 19/STX SCOTT STRICKLAND 02 SUBARU WRX > 55.250 <
5. 24/STX ROY SPRAGUE 04 VW GOLF R32 > 57.160
1. 19/STX SCOTT STRICKLAND 02 SUBARU WRX > 61.158
4. 24/STX ROY SPRAGUE 04 VW GOLF R32 > 62.841
Roy has been running his car bone stock, so these numbers may not be entirely useful.
Two years ago in DS in a 4 door automatic jetta, IIRC, Roy used to beat me all the time.
Take it for what its worth. Just thought I would post up what I had.
Scott
5. 24/STX ROY SPRAGUE 04 VW GOLF R32 > 49.721
1. 21/STX MIKE KING, PRO 04 Subaru WRX > 54.200
2. 19/STX SCOTT STRICKLAND 02 SUBARU WRX > 55.250 <
5. 24/STX ROY SPRAGUE 04 VW GOLF R32 > 57.160
1. 19/STX SCOTT STRICKLAND 02 SUBARU WRX > 61.158
4. 24/STX ROY SPRAGUE 04 VW GOLF R32 > 62.841
Roy has been running his car bone stock, so these numbers may not be entirely useful.
Two years ago in DS in a 4 door automatic jetta, IIRC, Roy used to beat me all the time.
Take it for what its worth. Just thought I would post up what I had.
Scott
| Rallycarperson | 08-09-2004 11:37 AM |
The R32 is a FWD car. It becomes 4WD when it senses slip.
-Mark
[url="http://www.MAPmotors.com"]www.MAPmotors.com[/url]
-Mark
[url="http://www.MAPmotors.com"]www.MAPmotors.com[/url]
| MulletSlayer | 08-09-2004 12:31 PM |
Volkswagons are great cars until you have a problem, and you will. VWOA is horrible to deal with. I love Volkswagons but I will never own another.
If your really thinking about buying one go to VWvortex.com and look around the R32 forum.
The R32s do sound great though.
If your really thinking about buying one go to VWvortex.com and look around the R32 forum.
The R32s do sound great though.
| KC | 08-09-2004 04:33 PM |
[QUOTE=MulletSlayer]Volkswagons are great cars until you have a problem, and you will. VWOA is horrible to deal with. I love Volkswagons but I will never own another.
If your really thinking about buying one go to VWvortex.com and look around the R32 forum.
The R32s do sound great though.[/QUOTE]
Thanks :rolleyes:
I thought this was about it's performance in auto-x?
--kC
If your really thinking about buying one go to VWvortex.com and look around the R32 forum.
The R32s do sound great though.[/QUOTE]
Thanks :rolleyes:
I thought this was about it's performance in auto-x?
--kC
| trojan9x | 08-09-2004 04:47 PM |
Anyway, If the guy comes back next week to our event, I may ask to do an instructor run for him to see more of what the car can do.
Tom
Tom
| MulletSlayer | 08-09-2004 05:45 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]Thanks :rolleyes:
I thought this was about it's performance in auto-x?
--kC[/QUOTE]
Thanks KC I didn't know what forum I was in :rolleyes:
Sure I could be the 8th person to tell him that an STI or an EVO would be better and that the Haldex systems sucks, but that was already covered
I was just trying to help him buy warning him that they aren't reliable, and he should check out a good VW website.
I thought this was about it's performance in auto-x?
--kC[/QUOTE]
Thanks KC I didn't know what forum I was in :rolleyes:
Sure I could be the 8th person to tell him that an STI or an EVO would be better and that the Haldex systems sucks, but that was already covered
I was just trying to help him buy warning him that they aren't reliable, and he should check out a good VW website.
| angryfist | 08-09-2004 06:52 PM |
i drove a friends r32 at the peru cendiv. i think its got potential with teh right driver and setup. it felt heavy through the whole course but had enough power to spin the inside tires through all corners on kumho v700's. i felt a little understeer but after i finished my runs i was inspecting the car and found out it had massive amounts of toe-in in the rear. it is getting a new alignment with some toe-out so it should be a lot more balanced now.
| KC | 08-09-2004 08:08 PM |
No problem... I thought it was a "How does this car do in an auto-x vs an STI" instead of bashing VWs admitedly horrendus reliability... which can be read on numorous forums.... checked OT recently? PM JGard... ask him what he thinks of VWs. ;)
trojan... yeah an instructor would be a good bet to get some decent feedback on how well the car can do.
trojan... yeah an instructor would be a good bet to get some decent feedback on how well the car can do.
| MonoSki | 08-10-2004 12:38 AM |
Why would you compare a DS car with an AS car????
| z3coupe | 08-10-2004 02:09 AM |
[QUOTE=MonoSki]Why would you compare a DS car with an AS car????[/QUOTE]Well, first off I was not sure what class the R32 would be in. And now after reading the great link to VWvortex that compared all 3 (TY very much by the way!!!!!), you too would see how it had gotten stuck together with the STi and EVO for testing and comparison. All were AWD (tho yes, the R32 only when slippage - which we get in some turns), all fun to drive, and all are "driver's" cars - not made for the typical grocery store runs. Its just that as I am so far not doing well in the STi, I was thinking what else would I think about for Solo II that might fit my style more. And not interested at all in the EVO, TY! :)
Oh, and after having now sat in an R32, I think it has the BEST seats out of all of them. Wish the STi seats were that bolstered.
Oh, and after having now sat in an R32, I think it has the BEST seats out of all of them. Wish the STi seats were that bolstered.
| ChrisL2 | 08-10-2004 03:01 AM |
[QUOTE=travmn]BTW, has anyone taken a new 05 sti to an auto-x yet? Just curious how it compares to having an 04 out there.[/QUOTE]
I've driven my 05 at three events, and I've been beaten by the 04. Of course, I'm not that great of a driver.
I've driven my 05 at three events, and I've been beaten by the 04. Of course, I'm not that great of a driver.
| KC | 08-10-2004 07:44 AM |
Rocky.... stick with what ya got and learn how to drive it. ;)
--kC
--kC
| Scooby Freak | 08-10-2004 01:25 PM |
[QUOTE=trojan9x]Anyway, If the guy comes back next week to our event, I may ask to do an instructor run for him to see more of what the car can do.
Tom[/QUOTE]
That was his second autocross. I brought him to a SJR event a few weeks ago. I'll ask him to come back for some 'testing'. :devil:
-jeff
Tom[/QUOTE]
That was his second autocross. I brought him to a SJR event a few weeks ago. I'll ask him to come back for some 'testing'. :devil:
-jeff
| trojan9x | 08-11-2004 12:05 PM |
Yea,
See if he'll let me do an instructor run in his car.
Tom
See if he'll let me do an instructor run in his car.
Tom
| AUTOwrXER | 08-11-2004 01:14 PM |
[QUOTE=travmn]IIRC, they softened the suspension from the version we used in that comparison, so the comparitive information may not be as accurate anymore.
The R32 is heavy and isn't quite in the same ballpark. A good driver could possibly due well with the car, but given the changes in the new 05 sti, the gap is probably widening a little bit. BTW, has anyone taken a new 05 sti to an auto-x yet? Just curious how it compares to having an 04 out there.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.alscca.org/solo2/2004/alscca_june_13_raw.htm[/url]
Shane is my co-driver. This was the first and only event I ran the car in before starting the ESP build. It was bone stock (we ran ESP to get to meet our future competition), with RE070s, a full tank of gas, floormats (I know, I'm a b*tch), and spare tire still on board. It was raining. The Evo and 240 were on Victoracers.
Joel
The R32 is heavy and isn't quite in the same ballpark. A good driver could possibly due well with the car, but given the changes in the new 05 sti, the gap is probably widening a little bit. BTW, has anyone taken a new 05 sti to an auto-x yet? Just curious how it compares to having an 04 out there.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.alscca.org/solo2/2004/alscca_june_13_raw.htm[/url]
Shane is my co-driver. This was the first and only event I ran the car in before starting the ESP build. It was bone stock (we ran ESP to get to meet our future competition), with RE070s, a full tank of gas, floormats (I know, I'm a b*tch), and spare tire still on board. It was raining. The Evo and 240 were on Victoracers.
Joel
| RoC_Pooh | 08-11-2004 02:43 PM |
I like the first sentence ^^
"Performance Comparison
The results:
The early consensus before all the testing was that the R32 didn't stand a chance against the more powerful Evo and STi. We also really didn't know what to expect between the Evo and STi since one is more powerful than the other, yet most U.S. magazines rated the slower car higher. We conducted walk-arounds of each of the vehicles and tire pressures were set to factory specifications. All cars were stock as they are shipped by the manufacturer, the only odd-ball being the R32 which was a German-specification model. Volkswagen assures us the U.S. spec version will be mechanically identical."
"Performance Comparison
The results:
The early consensus before all the testing was that the R32 didn't stand a chance against the more powerful Evo and STi. We also really didn't know what to expect between the Evo and STi since one is more powerful than the other, yet most U.S. magazines rated the slower car higher. We conducted walk-arounds of each of the vehicles and tire pressures were set to factory specifications. All cars were stock as they are shipped by the manufacturer, the only odd-ball being the R32 which was a German-specification model. Volkswagen assures us the U.S. spec version will be mechanically identical."
| fogdor | 08-11-2004 03:35 PM |
This has nothing to do with auto-x, but if you've got the scratch, HPA motorsports can help you alleviate the stock R32's power deficiency: [url]http://www.hpamotorsport.com/r32.htm[/url]
| ColinL | 08-11-2004 04:28 PM |
hell for only $25,000 plus installation give me two! :lol:
| trojan9x | 08-11-2004 09:37 PM |
damn.. would hope that price included the car :eek:
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