| Sloman | 10-13-2004 12:29 PM |
Where do I put the clock?
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Recently purchased black '05 STi with gauge pack. So factory clock is gone. $32,000 car with Pep Boys $5 clock don't cut it. At night, what time is it? I still have the original nacelle digital clock, how do I hook it up and where is a good place to mount it on the dash? BTW, (obviously) the car is great!
| MB38 | 10-13-2004 12:31 PM |
People have moved it to the spare change tray in the past. I think it's still in the '05 STi. By your left knee.
If not, I suppose you could hide it in the ash tray.
I hope you didn't buy the *factory* gauge pack.
If not, I suppose you could hide it in the ash tray.
I hope you didn't buy the *factory* gauge pack.
| paperchasin | 10-13-2004 12:33 PM |
$32K car + $1k Movado Wristwatch works great!!!
| Sloman | 10-13-2004 12:53 PM |
Movado? Not at night.
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Yeah, the factory gauge pack. Why, does it blow up or something? I'd prefer oil pressure to oil temp, but voltage is good. Boost is a waste: you kinda know when it kicks in. ;)
In the '05, the change/ash tray is very low on the stack. Not a good place to go looking, but may be best of bad choices.
Thanks!
In the '05, the change/ash tray is very low on the stack. Not a good place to go looking, but may be best of bad choices.
Thanks!
| satrya | 10-13-2004 01:03 PM |
Someone here posted about relocating the clock near the rear windshield so that it reflects to the rear windshield, then to your rear view mirror.
Alternately, you can get one more gauge and mount the 2 gauges (clock & something else) on an autometer bezel pod around the speedo/tach cluster.
Alternately, you can get one more gauge and mount the 2 gauges (clock & something else) on an autometer bezel pod around the speedo/tach cluster.
| MB38 | 10-13-2004 01:30 PM |
Well, the stock gauges aren't accurate and are overpriced. You could still pop aftermarket boost, EGT and oil temp/pressure gauges in their place. That's the recommended trio.
But this isn't a thread about that.
When I eliminated my clock, I started to rely on the clock built into my head unit. If you're considering one, you'll be all set.
But this isn't a thread about that.
When I eliminated my clock, I started to rely on the clock built into my head unit. If you're considering one, you'll be all set.
| Sloman | 10-13-2004 01:36 PM |
Ouch! Factory head unit - no clock.
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| Kean | 10-13-2004 02:07 PM |
[QUOTE=Sloman]Boost is a waste[/QUOTE] It's only a waste if you don't use it.
| hph | 10-13-2004 04:01 PM |
I got one of those digital clocks (from Pep Boys, but I think it was more like $10) and velcro'd it between the DCCD switches and the shifter. It's hard to see at night, though (although the map lights help). HPH
| Sloman | 10-13-2004 06:21 PM |
I'll bite...
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Kean: I'm new to turbo. How do I use it? When I'm accelerating slowly, the boost is negative (the usual vacuum). When I stomp on it, it moves up to positive. I know when it's positive when time starts to warp and objects move v-e-r-y quickly by my cabin.
What should I be doing? (I'm serious.)
I'm usually a pretty sedate driver until some clown in an Expedition tries to show me how great a tank accelerates compared to a rice burner at a TL. :D
What should I be doing? (I'm serious.)
I'm usually a pretty sedate driver until some clown in an Expedition tries to show me how great a tank accelerates compared to a rice burner at a TL. :D
| pimpwgn | 10-13-2004 06:23 PM |
[QUOTE=Sloman]Boost is a waste: you kinda know when it kicks in. ;)
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this guy doesnt deserve an STI.
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this guy doesnt deserve an STI.
| pimpwgn | 10-13-2004 06:30 PM |
why did you buy an STi again?
| deebo | 10-13-2004 06:34 PM |
i have my clock where the ash tray was .. fits in there pretty well actually.. its not like you are staring at the clock all the time where you would need it in direct sight... its just a little glance down no biggie
| NWWagon | 10-13-2004 06:34 PM |
I dont play well with others...
Hey thats not true... stupid moderators...think their soo cool. :rolleyes:
Hey thats not true... stupid moderators...think their soo cool. :rolleyes:
| jtree007 | 10-13-2004 07:29 PM |
rant/off topic...
wow there are a lot of worthless posts in here...no need to rag on some one who is trying to learn... we all have to learn about cars somewhere. I am lucky that was not here otherwise I would have never learned anything except how to pass out cheep insults....
Back on topic...
Think of the car when it is running as NA when there is a vacume present... basicly the measurement it telling you that the intake pressure is x units under atmospheric pressure. When the Guage reads 0 it is at atmospheric pressure (air pressure that it is right then out side) and when it is in the positive range the turbo is spooled up and incresing the intake air pressure. The reading of x units above 0 on the guage lets you know how much extra pressure is being feed in to the intake system over atmospheric pressure.
I agree with what MB38 said.. the stock guage pack is not the best value and if you can get rid of it without losing money on it I would.....if it came installed on the car just keep it and replace the guages once you get to know more about the car.
wow there are a lot of worthless posts in here...no need to rag on some one who is trying to learn... we all have to learn about cars somewhere. I am lucky that was not here otherwise I would have never learned anything except how to pass out cheep insults....
Back on topic...
Think of the car when it is running as NA when there is a vacume present... basicly the measurement it telling you that the intake pressure is x units under atmospheric pressure. When the Guage reads 0 it is at atmospheric pressure (air pressure that it is right then out side) and when it is in the positive range the turbo is spooled up and incresing the intake air pressure. The reading of x units above 0 on the guage lets you know how much extra pressure is being feed in to the intake system over atmospheric pressure.
I agree with what MB38 said.. the stock guage pack is not the best value and if you can get rid of it without losing money on it I would.....if it came installed on the car just keep it and replace the guages once you get to know more about the car.
| Sloman | 10-13-2004 07:30 PM |
A bit touchy, aren't we?
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My STi is my daily driver. Sorry I'm not redlining all the way to work every day (ever see the traffic in NJ? - can only redline in first gear.) My thrill car is a highly modified Porsche 914-6 ([url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646662[/url]) that I drive on the race track with the Porsche Club. :p
I love the STi for the extremely high level of comfort (good sound, electric mirrors, auto-dimming, A/C, etc.) compared to Porsche and I can drive it safely in bad weather, too (we get a lot of that in NJ, too). Is that so bad? :(
The STi is a great car that I choose not abuse (that's what the Porsche is for). Only occasionally do I let it loose and that is fun. The power comes on completely differently from the Porsche (modified 3.2l Carrera) and I've only had the car a month. So, tell me, how do I use the boost gauge?
I love the STi for the extremely high level of comfort (good sound, electric mirrors, auto-dimming, A/C, etc.) compared to Porsche and I can drive it safely in bad weather, too (we get a lot of that in NJ, too). Is that so bad? :(
The STi is a great car that I choose not abuse (that's what the Porsche is for). Only occasionally do I let it loose and that is fun. The power comes on completely differently from the Porsche (modified 3.2l Carrera) and I've only had the car a month. So, tell me, how do I use the boost gauge?
| pimpwgn | 10-13-2004 07:33 PM |
abuse the porsche and preserve STi? never heard that before, rich boy.
| pimpwgn | 10-13-2004 07:35 PM |
A/C, power mirror are standard even on hyundais.
| Sloman | 10-13-2004 07:46 PM |
That's funny
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Rich boy? I bought the 914 new in 1971 and struggled with 75 hp for many years. I like driving fast cars and the Porsche is set up for the track (starting with the full roll cage, dry sump lube, 5 point harness, Sparco Evo seats, 911 engine, etc.), so, yes, it is the car to abuse. It looks great, but it's no trailer queen.
I just don't feel the urge to impress everyone all the time and I can drive a lot faster with more thrills and more safely at the track than I can on the streets. The STi comes closest to that thrill on the street and still be a good car for rain and snow. And I didn't realize the Hyundais had 300 hp.
STi is my daily driver. If I were a rich boy, I would abuse it, too. But I have to drive it every day to work, so I choose not to abuse it.
I just don't feel the urge to impress everyone all the time and I can drive a lot faster with more thrills and more safely at the track than I can on the streets. The STi comes closest to that thrill on the street and still be a good car for rain and snow. And I didn't realize the Hyundais had 300 hp.
STi is my daily driver. If I were a rich boy, I would abuse it, too. But I have to drive it every day to work, so I choose not to abuse it.
| Sloman | 10-13-2004 07:53 PM |
jtree007: Thank you for the reasonable answer. I understand the principle of boost. I meant the boost gauge doesn't seem all that important. It's not even standard on the cars. My point was I can judge if the boost is on by how much the car is accelerating. What purpose does the gauge serve other than to tell you if the turbocharger is leaking (low boost) or you're overboosting (wastegate malfunction)?
If I should drive the car based on the behavior of the boost gauge, let me know how. I'm new to turbo, not fast cars. And yes, I know, keep it in the boost for maximum acceleration, but I don't need a gauge for that.
If I should drive the car based on the behavior of the boost gauge, let me know how. I'm new to turbo, not fast cars. And yes, I know, keep it in the boost for maximum acceleration, but I don't need a gauge for that.
| MRF582 | 10-13-2004 08:02 PM |
you're right dude. if you're not goign to be modifying your car and tuning teh computer, there really is no need for boost guages. the other guages (oil temp, voltage) can help you realize a problem before you get stuck on the road somewhere. but honestly, you don't need those either if you're going to not mess around with the tuning.
people think you HAVE TO HAVE a boost guage in a turbocharged car. i mean sure it's cool looking so you can show your friends what the feeling in their stomach corresponds to (boost guage). but it's is not necessary.
word of advice : on this forum there are good people and there are not so good people. just take everything with a grain of salt and don't take ANYTHING personally. also ignore the people you don't like. and you'll fit right in.
people think you HAVE TO HAVE a boost guage in a turbocharged car. i mean sure it's cool looking so you can show your friends what the feeling in their stomach corresponds to (boost guage). but it's is not necessary.
word of advice : on this forum there are good people and there are not so good people. just take everything with a grain of salt and don't take ANYTHING personally. also ignore the people you don't like. and you'll fit right in.
| rukkie | 10-13-2004 08:03 PM |
come on give the guy a break... so what somebody bought an STi and doesn't know much about the Subaru heritage or the physics behind a turbo charger? Does it automatically make him as low as a 16year old putting 20 stickers and putting his lunch money in his civic that's poorly and untastefuly modded? Come on...
[quote=Sloman]What purpose does the gauge serve other than to tell you if the turbocharger is leaking (low boost) or you're overboosting (wastegate malfunction)?[/quote]
You might have guessed: none, except for decoration? (mine bugs me 'cause I'm not hitting target boost... but that's another story)
Welcome to nasioc... please proceed to aisle 5 for your flame suit
[quote=Sloman]What purpose does the gauge serve other than to tell you if the turbocharger is leaking (low boost) or you're overboosting (wastegate malfunction)?[/quote]
You might have guessed: none, except for decoration? (mine bugs me 'cause I'm not hitting target boost... but that's another story)
Welcome to nasioc... please proceed to aisle 5 for your flame suit
| MRF582 | 10-13-2004 08:04 PM |
[QUOTE=Sloman]If I should drive the car based on the behavior of the boost gauge, let me know how. I'm new to turbo, not fast cars. And yes, I know, keep it in the boost for maximum acceleration, but I don't need a gauge for that.[/QUOTE]
on an STi with all that low end grunt, drive that thing like you driver your porsche. us low-torque WRX owners have to worry about being in boost when we're on the track or autoX courses. when you want to go, just GO. the car WILL respond. and just show the boost guage off to your buddies.
on an STi with all that low end grunt, drive that thing like you driver your porsche. us low-torque WRX owners have to worry about being in boost when we're on the track or autoX courses. when you want to go, just GO. the car WILL respond. and just show the boost guage off to your buddies.
| Sloman | 10-13-2004 08:29 PM |
MRF582: Thanks for the advice. I'm an old fart who likes cars and Subarus are great cars and the STi is the best. If I don't fit in here, well, never mind.
rukkie: Believe me, I did a lot of research before I bought the STi, so I do appreciate the heritage of Subaru in WRC (and watch Speed TV, so I know they're all completly nuts) and that's one of the reasons I bought the car. And I do understand the physics of turbocharging (I drove one of the first turbo Porsches way back when nobody else did it [I didn't own it, I just drove it]). All my previous cars were normally aspirated and the turbo drives very differently. And I do appreciate your advice, too. Luckily, I still have my Nomex suit, so I guess I can hang around for a while.
Now, about that clock...
rukkie: Believe me, I did a lot of research before I bought the STi, so I do appreciate the heritage of Subaru in WRC (and watch Speed TV, so I know they're all completly nuts) and that's one of the reasons I bought the car. And I do understand the physics of turbocharging (I drove one of the first turbo Porsches way back when nobody else did it [I didn't own it, I just drove it]). All my previous cars were normally aspirated and the turbo drives very differently. And I do appreciate your advice, too. Luckily, I still have my Nomex suit, so I guess I can hang around for a while.
Now, about that clock...
| migs76 | 10-13-2004 08:38 PM |
if i remember correctly, i think someone put an analog clock in the driver side ac vent. how about in the "coin holder" near the fuse box?
| Sloman | 10-13-2004 08:45 PM |
Yup, that I have. My $5 Pep Boys Rolex is attached to vent. And it works fine in daylight. But, at night... And it's getting darker a lot sooner now, so I was hoping some very clever person had come up with a mount and location for the stock clock module, which I still have, so I could have a digital clock, easily viewed, day and night.
| MB38 | 10-13-2004 10:16 PM |
There's a lot of dick measuring in this thread that simply isn't necessary. Lets get back to topic, shall we?
| Subahaulic | 10-14-2004 09:06 AM |
Put the OEM clock in the little left side coin tray hole and wire it up--Subymods probably has a how-to.
| MDRex | 10-14-2004 01:16 PM |
Get one of the AVO (I think thats who makes it) gauge pods that go in the corner near the windshield and a-pillar and get a round clock for it. You can find them at some parts stores, they are the same size and look as a gauge. And they are light for night viewing.
Or you can just get a universal a-pillar gague pod for the same thing.
Or you can just get a universal a-pillar gague pod for the same thing.
| Rutchard | 10-14-2004 02:56 PM |
I just picked up a cheap digital clock that has a backlight on it, it's silver so it matches the interior pretty well. haven't figured out where to mount it, best i've come up with so far is up above the rearview mirror, but i'd have to make some sort of bracket to get it at the right angle. I can try to post a pic when i get around to mounting it.
| Scoobie Noobie | 10-14-2004 04:58 PM |
I didn't think I'd miss the clock enough to forgo guages. I was wrong.
I experimented with the usual digital clocks one finds everywhere.
I either couldn't find a good place to mount them or they just plain sucked. :)
On another thread I saw some pics of a clear LCD clock that was very nice but the guy said a friend from Japan got it for him. I wanted that clock too.
I tried the usual Google but couldn't find it.
I did, however find this right up the street at Advance auto.
I have it mounted above the rearview but included a couple of (poor) shots to give an idea of what it would look like elsewhere.
[IMG]http://m.staff.umkc.edu/mathesonr/pics/rex/clock/IMG_0167.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://m.staff.umkc.edu/mathesonr/pics/rex/clock/IMG_0170.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://m.staff.umkc.edu/mathesonr/pics/rex/clock/IMG_0172.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://m.staff.umkc.edu/mathesonr/pics/rex/clock/IMG_0177.jpg[/IMG]
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I experimented with the usual digital clocks one finds everywhere.
I either couldn't find a good place to mount them or they just plain sucked. :)
On another thread I saw some pics of a clear LCD clock that was very nice but the guy said a friend from Japan got it for him. I wanted that clock too.
I tried the usual Google but couldn't find it.
I did, however find this right up the street at Advance auto.
I have it mounted above the rearview but included a couple of (poor) shots to give an idea of what it would look like elsewhere.
[IMG]http://m.staff.umkc.edu/mathesonr/pics/rex/clock/IMG_0167.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://m.staff.umkc.edu/mathesonr/pics/rex/clock/IMG_0170.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://m.staff.umkc.edu/mathesonr/pics/rex/clock/IMG_0172.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://m.staff.umkc.edu/mathesonr/pics/rex/clock/IMG_0177.jpg[/IMG]
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| TrizzyDizzy | 10-14-2004 08:49 PM |
Get a new Head unit, and use that clock!
| Sevaru | 10-14-2004 08:52 PM |
Cell Phone = spare clock. Im sure you have one.
| Sloman | 11-03-2004 11:21 AM |
Here's what I did...
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I replaced the stock head unit with the Eclipse AVN2454. Just a bit of an upgrade. Now I have my cd changer plus a Nav unit. So far it is just a toy, but what a toy!
[img]http://www.abc-digital-art.com/Cars/Eclipse.JPG[/img]
And it looks like a factory install.
[img]http://www.abc-digital-art.com/Cars/Eclipse.JPG[/img]
And it looks like a factory install.
| TrizzyDizzy | 11-03-2004 12:10 PM |
wow! looks nice! how'd u do the nav unit?
| muskaroxs | 11-03-2004 12:15 PM |
way to go, a guy asked a question and you start talking ****! :huh:
| Sloman | 11-03-2004 01:40 PM |
The nav unit is part of the Eclipse unit - comes with it, so to speak.
| ptsmalls | 11-03-2004 02:54 PM |
haha no clock in oem spot...solution 5$ clock from autozone...(nice mounting spot btw)
In this case a 5$ problem was solved w. a $2500 navigation unit...lol.
Also, a lil off topic, any porsche dealers shops in jersey area....i've wanted to start my project and am looking for a reputable shop/dealer to pick up an oldie but goodie.
In this case a 5$ problem was solved w. a $2500 navigation unit...lol.
Also, a lil off topic, any porsche dealers shops in jersey area....i've wanted to start my project and am looking for a reputable shop/dealer to pick up an oldie but goodie.
| Sloman | 11-03-2004 03:20 PM |
Yeah, I noticed that, too.
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I'd just spent $32,000 for the car. And I keep cars for a long time (I had my last car for 13 years), so amortize the $2500 over 10 years and it doesn't seem so bad. And the nav unit is a fun toy and should come in handy in the future.
A great shop in north NJ is PowerTech in Rockaway. I have an old Porsche (1971) that they've done a lot of work on and they do excellent work. Plus, they act as brokers to buy and sell quality Porsches.
PowerTech: [url]http://www.pwr-tech.com/[/url]
My 914: [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646662&page=1&pp=25[/url] (sloman)
A great shop in north NJ is PowerTech in Rockaway. I have an old Porsche (1971) that they've done a lot of work on and they do excellent work. Plus, they act as brokers to buy and sell quality Porsches.
PowerTech: [url]http://www.pwr-tech.com/[/url]
My 914: [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646662&page=1&pp=25[/url] (sloman)
| ptsmalls | 11-03-2004 03:30 PM |
Cool, thanx man for the info...that nav. unit is sick....i'm thinking of it myself. Looks better then an oem unit.
| OAK STI | 11-03-2004 06:18 PM |
The Kenwood Ddx7015 Is A Bad Ass Option As Well Without Paying For Navigation
| Sloman | 11-03-2004 06:28 PM |
That's the exact model I went to the installer when I decided to upgrade. But he's not a Kenwood dealer, so he directed me to his higher-priced stuff. I knew what was happening, but, I said "what the hay" (after researching Eclipse). I'm sure I would have been very happy with the Kenwood, but the Eclipse is good for amazing my friends and neighbors - a little bit of Star Trek (am I dating myself?).
| firecordz | 11-04-2004 01:10 PM |
no one should be ridiculing this guy, hes just not a huge subie fan whos on the boards all the time, no big deal. you dont need a boost gauge really unless youre modifying and you need to monitor your boost. although its a good thing to have anyway in case your sti decides to ****up. its just another way to monitor your engines activities, basically.
as for the clock, buy a watch. that way you can lie to your passengers when they claim you are late.
as for the clock, buy a watch. that way you can lie to your passengers when they claim you are late.
| Kean | 11-04-2004 02:55 PM |
Sorry for not responding earlier Sloman. I lost track of this thread a few weeks ago.
I'd have to disagree with the view that a Turbo gauge is useless with a stock configuration. In fact, I was disappointed the WRX didn't come with one already integrated in the gauge cluster. Sure, a Turbo gauge can alert the driver to potential issues with their "modded" set-up and/or show them how their tuning has affected boost levels. However, it can also be an excellent tool for getting the most performance and/or fuel economy out of your car. I think it's obvious how it can help in this role since the gauge will tell you exactly when and under what conditions your turbo produces boost (and by how much). Personally, I found my turbo gauge to be an excellent driver feedback device as well as a learning tool. I have a better understanding of exactly how boost is affected by my input. ....I use that to my advantage. If you limit yourself to only using it as a diagnostic tool, then I would agree that it's use would be pretty much limited.
- Kean
I'd have to disagree with the view that a Turbo gauge is useless with a stock configuration. In fact, I was disappointed the WRX didn't come with one already integrated in the gauge cluster. Sure, a Turbo gauge can alert the driver to potential issues with their "modded" set-up and/or show them how their tuning has affected boost levels. However, it can also be an excellent tool for getting the most performance and/or fuel economy out of your car. I think it's obvious how it can help in this role since the gauge will tell you exactly when and under what conditions your turbo produces boost (and by how much). Personally, I found my turbo gauge to be an excellent driver feedback device as well as a learning tool. I have a better understanding of exactly how boost is affected by my input. ....I use that to my advantage. If you limit yourself to only using it as a diagnostic tool, then I would agree that it's use would be pretty much limited.
- Kean
| jamesfacts | 11-04-2004 03:34 PM |
Ignore the flamers here... its your car, do with it as you please. ;)
| Sloman | 11-05-2004 08:19 AM |
Thank you, everyone with postive responses.
Firecordz - I have a watch, but it's difficult to see at night. And I am a huge Subie fan - I only drive cars with boxer engines!
Kean - I appreciate the comments, but after two months driving, I can pretty much tell when the boost is on, even w/o the gauge. For example, when cruise control is on, even though the speed is constant, you can feel a surge when the pressure is building (headwind or grade increase). I agree it is not useless, but for me, not all that useful. I'd rather oil pressure, for example. Now, THAT's important!
americanyouth - don't worry, I'm an old fart, so flamers don't bother me in the slightest. But, thanks.
Firecordz - I have a watch, but it's difficult to see at night. And I am a huge Subie fan - I only drive cars with boxer engines!
Kean - I appreciate the comments, but after two months driving, I can pretty much tell when the boost is on, even w/o the gauge. For example, when cruise control is on, even though the speed is constant, you can feel a surge when the pressure is building (headwind or grade increase). I agree it is not useless, but for me, not all that useful. I'd rather oil pressure, for example. Now, THAT's important!
americanyouth - don't worry, I'm an old fart, so flamers don't bother me in the slightest. But, thanks.
| WillysPU | 11-09-2004 04:29 PM |
I put in the pod and lost the clock also, but I think I know what I will try.
I have an '03 WRX with the dorky mini sun shade by the rearview mirror that doesn't block anything. I am going to try to make a small case (pod) for my oem clock module and used that screw hole as a mounting point. I will try to make the case out of black plexiglass. In the picture in the post above with the stick on clock it looks like they deleted the little sun shade and put a plug in the hole. Notice how the area is wedge shaped, that's the shape I plan to make my clock pod.
I will update the post if I am successfull.
I have an '03 WRX with the dorky mini sun shade by the rearview mirror that doesn't block anything. I am going to try to make a small case (pod) for my oem clock module and used that screw hole as a mounting point. I will try to make the case out of black plexiglass. In the picture in the post above with the stick on clock it looks like they deleted the little sun shade and put a plug in the hole. Notice how the area is wedge shaped, that's the shape I plan to make my clock pod.
I will update the post if I am successfull.
| ydant | 11-10-2004 09:28 AM |
[quote=WillysPU] have an '03 WRX with the dorky mini sun shade by the rearview mirror that doesn't block anything.[/quote]That "sunshade" is designed to block the light from the map lights from causing glare in the rear view mirror.
Mine's gone and replaced by an Escort 7500. :D
Mine's gone and replaced by an Escort 7500. :D
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